Alright, first and foremost...please don't move this to the scorsese board, not enough people go there, a lot more go here and it's kind of important so seriously, please don't move it. I need some people's help and I don't want this to get overlooked.
So, I'm doing my final project for film study on Taxi Driver. I'll keep this short and sweet...for a small part of the project, I need to know who scorsese has influenced and who he was influenced by (check below to see what I have so far, please correct me on any of them if I am wrong)...so if you guys could just reply listing who you know/think he has been influenced by and who you know/think he has influenced...that would be great. I think that's all I really need from you guys, everything else I found on IMDB. I know some of you guys really know scorsese so don't bullshit me please, this really is a final project, I'm not just trying to figure out something I want to know by asking creatively...this thing is due tuesday. Also, if it just your opinion...don't worry about. As long as you truly think it's valid, I'll take your word for it.
WHO HE WAS INFLUENCED BY:
Alfred Hitchcock
Francois Truffaut
Howard Hawks
Jean Luc Godard
John Cassevetes
John Ford
Michael Powell
Orson Welles
WHO HE HAS INFLUENCED:
David O. Russell
Paul Thomas Anderson
Quentin Tarantino
Wes Anderson
There's gotta be more for the latter, I'm just totally blanking here. Thanks in advance to you.
It would probably be helpful to mention Doug Liman's direct homage/parody in Swingers (particularly the Goodfella's steady-cam-into-the-restaurant shot). The characters even acknowledge the fact that all directors are influenced and steal from each other. In particular they also mention:
Quentin Tarantino. Surely a big candidate for someone influenced by Marty.
How about classic American film-noir?
Quote from: MrBurgerKingImagine if Sergio Leone were still alive, and got his hands on Gangs of New York. Now that would be a great epic.
I can't believe we both forgot about that prick, Tarantino.
I can't believe I forgot him, thanks to CWA for that, would've been pissed had I left him out.
Quote from: MrBurgerKingHow about classic American film-noir?
Individuals only please. By the way, thanks for your help. I didn't like your "I won't write your paper for you" comment though. That's kinda snippy man. Do you realize how much more I have to do? This is a very small portion of the project. Don't get me wrong, I'm grateful...I just don't want you to think your doing the thing for me. It's not just a "paper" either...it's an essay, fact sheet, and 10 minute presentation. Thanks again though.
I don't like my comments either. Most people don't, we're all in that club that hates my comments. I guess it's because of the Burger King references. It's gotten old and tired; nobody wants to hear them anymore. For that reason, I am done with the Burger King comments. It's time to move on and let go of them. I will never make another burger comment or reference again. I will still eat at fast food often, but I will not bring it up in a movie board.
I always think of Fellini as an influence on Scorcese. The sense of flowing movement you often get in both their movies, when a tracking shot carries you around an entire scene, introducing different characters.
Influenced By:
Sam Fuller
Sergei Eisenstein
Sam Peckinpah
Influenced:
Guy Ritchie
The Hughes Brothers
Influenced by: Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger
Stan Brackage
David Croeneberg (in his later years)
Roberto Rosselini
Vittorio De Sica
Vincente Minnelli
Influenced: David Croeneberg
~rougerum
in his book Scorsese on Scorsese he mentions going to see the Powell/Pressburger movie THE RED SHOES. he also mentions the POWELL movie PEEPING TOM. also ON THE WATERFRONT (Kazan).
in the rolling stone article he wrote entitled THE LEADING MAN he also says...
watching tv as a kid, i was always drawn to the films of humphrey bogart and james cagney and especially john garfield. in FORCE OF EVIL and BODY AND SOUL garfield has so much going on in his eyes. i remember him in WE WERE STRANGERS; its a film about the cuban underground. i didnt understand the politics-i was seven-but i identified with his sense of mission. it still resonates.
my friends and i loved Bogart in Casablanca
There I am, hitting puberty right in the middle of ON THE WATERFRONT, EAST OF EDEN and THE SEARCHERS.
another turning point for me as a boy was james dean in EAST OF EDEN
john wayne...in RED RIVER
Cary Grant in NOTORIOUS
Nicholson in FIVE EASY PIECES, that was it.
Quote from: MrBurgerKingI don't like my comments either. Most people don't, we're all in that club that hates my comments. I guess it's because of the Burger King references. It's gotten old and tired; nobody wants to hear them anymore. For that reason, I am done with the Burger King comments. It's time to move on and let go of them. I will never make another burger comment or reference again. I will still eat at fast food often, but I will not bring it up in a movie board.
:cry: for serious?
Excellent work, Modern Age. I should have rememebered Elia Kazan, because he is one of the major guys of influence for Scorsese.
~rougerum
Quote from: themodernage02Quote from: MrBurgerKingI don't like my comments either. Most people don't, we're all in that club that hates my comments. I guess it's because of the Burger King references. It's gotten old and tired; nobody wants to hear them anymore. For that reason, I am done with the Burger King comments. It's time to move on and let go of them. I will never make another burger comment or reference again. I will still eat at fast food often, but I will not bring it up in a movie board.
:cry: for serious?
I know, that is kinda sad. Did you really think an idea like that was going to last forever though burgerking? No offense. I'm still up for more of it, but yeah...a bunch of people have gotten pissed off about it. I don't mind, I was just talking about what you said about writing the paper for me. That's all I was pointing out. That's the only comment that you've made that's bothered me.
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetInfluenced by: Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger
Stan Brackage
David Croeneberg (in his later years)
Roberto Rosselini
Vittorio De Sica
Vincente Minnelli
Influenced: David Croeneberg
~rougerum
That's right, how could I forget Michael Powell...thanks GT. I won't be using all these cause I don't want to come off as a snob in front of the whole class but really, thanks for the effort.
Thank you to everyone. I don't even know some of these people.
Alright, I will only talk about what I know...so, I know that Scorsese is an influence on Kevin Smith. The Last Temptation of Christ is always listed as one of his favorite films of all time. Also, if I remember right he once answered one of my posted questions as Scorsese being his favorite director of all time.
I hope that helps. You could maybe use that to show how he has influence directors of much different works.
Influenced by:
Kenneth Anger
Particularly in his use of pop music.
Quote from: MrBurgerKingI won't write your paper for you, but I'd say the Coen Brothers and Spike Lee are influenced by Scorsese.
As a bit of trivia, I do believe Scorsese taught Spike Lee at NYU. Also, Scorsese was set to direct a certain movie (I forget which one), but handed it off to Spike Lee as he thought he would do a better job. Hope this helps.
And that movie was Clockers, on which I really do think he did a better job than Scorsese would have.
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaAs a bit of trivia, I do believe Scorsese taught Spike Lee at NYU.
He was Oliver Stone's teacher too.
Marty always talks about loving Visconti's films, particularily The Leopard.
I suppose you could say he influenced Richard Kelly. I don't have any other direct references, but he seems to like to do the massive dolly/steadicam work, though I guess that's filtered through PTA, who in turn ripped that from Marty.
Oh, also, he's always loved and respected Kubrick's work, especially Barry Lyndon, and that's a definite influence on Age Of Innocence. But you want Taxi Driver stuff, don't you. Well, don't forget to mention that the zoom in on the alka seltzer glass is an homage to Godard's coffee cup shot from Two Or Three Things I Know About Her. And also, it's more of a Schrader influence, but Marty definitely would have also watched Pickpocket and Diary Of A Country Priest by Bresson, because these are the two movies that most closely influenced the script. And I forgot if someone said Hitchcock yet, but obviously the music (at the least) must have struck him, 'cause he got Bernard Hermann to do the score. Oh, and one last thing I remembered, Travis pointing the gun straight into the camera, that's a shot from Pierrot Le Fou, when Anna Karina puts she scissors straight at the camera. Also, Bertolucci could have been an influence. And John Ford definitely was, as some critics figure Taxi Driver was a twisted version on Ford's The Searchers. Whew.
Okay, sorry, people already said Ford and Hitchcock... my bad.
Quote from: SoNowThenAnd I forgot if someone said Hitchcock yet, but obviously the music (at the least) must have struck him, 'cause he got Bernard Hermann to do the score.
More than that, Scorsese used the shot list of the shower scene from "Psycho" to film and edit the final fight between Sugar Ray and LaMotta in "Raging Bull."
In Taxi Driver, there is a shot of Travis in the taxi garage, walking to his cab, but then the camera pans the opposite way and then catches up with Travis again. That shot is from Godard's Alphaville, and Scorsese admits as much.
In other words, man and boy, there is much Godard in Taxi Driver. Schrader himself admits he was highly influenced by French existential fiction.
Also -- Bickle is loosely based on Arthur Bremer, a psycho who kept a diary and shot George Wallace (governor of Alabama who ran for President in 1972).
The quick 1-2-3 zooms in succession -- from Jules and Jim I believe.
I've often wondered if Travis, with his mohawk and anti-establishment attitude, was an influence on the punk movement in the UK -- in fact, Taxi Driver hit England at the same time punk rock was beginning.
Also -- heavy influence from The Searchers. Keitel is like an Indian, with his long hair and tourquoise jewelry, and Jodie Foster is like the Natalie Wood character, someone who has joined another sub-culture and "gone native" and must be rescued.
Quote from: soixanteIn Taxi Driver, there is a shot of Travis in the taxi garage, walking to his cab, but then the camera pans the opposite way and then catches up with Travis again. That shot is from Godard's Alphaville, and Scorsese admits as much.
The quick 1-2-3 zooms in succession -- from Jules and Jim I believe.
I have tried numerous times to find these shots in Taxi Driver but I can't ever find them...I would love to talk about them in the presentation but I have no idea when they take place. Can somebody give me like a rough description of the point of the film these things take place at?
I think maybe he's talking about the cuts (far to close to extreme cu). Truffaut used those in Shoot The Piano Player and Marty's been using these in almost every one of his movies. One example: when Travis is in the gun range and firing, the shots are cutting farther away from him, and closer to the target. That's one example, there are a few others I can't remember right now...
Quote from: ebeamanQuote from: soixanteIn Taxi Driver, there is a shot of Travis in the taxi garage, walking to his cab, but then the camera pans the opposite way and then catches up with Travis again. That shot is from Godard's Alphaville, and Scorsese admits as much.
The quick 1-2-3 zooms in succession -- from Jules and Jim I believe.
I have tried numerous times to find these shots in Taxi Driver but I can't ever find them...I would love to talk about them in the presentation but I have no idea when they take place. Can somebody give me like a rough description of the point of the film these things take place at?
After Travis's job interview at the beginning. It's when he walks out of the taxi garage.
This is an excellent Scorcese thread, one that should be moved to the Scorcese forum when the project is over and done with.
ebeaman, you should get it moved once you're in the clear.
I don't have much in the way of a contribution. Everyone's already done a good job.
Quote from: ebeamanQuote from: The Gold TrumpetInfluenced by: Michael Powell and Emeric Pressburger
Stan Brackage
David Croeneberg (in his later years)
Roberto Rosselini
Vittorio De Sica
Vincente Minnelli
Influenced: David Croeneberg
~rougerum
That's right, how could I forget Michael Powell...thanks GT. I won't be using all these cause I don't want to come off as a snob in front of the whole class but really, thanks for the effort.
Thank you to everyone. I don't even know some of these people.
My advice: Don't worry about being a snob; you'll only hold yourself back. Worry about doing the best, most thorough, most intelligent project you can.
Yes, exactly. Marty's worth it.
...and refer to him as "Marty", like you're on a first name basis. That'd be cool.
How did this project turn out, and can I move it to the Scorsese forum now?
Fingers just itchin' to redirect...!
Quote from: MacGuffinHow did this project turn out, and can I move it to the Scorsese forum now?
It didn't really go as well as I had hoped and planned. I went in thinking I was going to be the fourth person to present but due to a whole lot of absences, I ended up going first. It really took me by surprise and I sort of rushed it so it kinda fucked the whole thing up. The teacher loved most of it though! She was the main person I was trying to impress as she is the one that grades it and set all the guidelines. As for the kids, they only really loved the skittles and the "you talkin' to me" part. They were real nice to me the whole class so it was fun. And there was a kid there to teach me how to use the PS2 that we use to show our films. I have no experience with video games. Then there was this one kid who brought in sunglasses and refused to get out of this Travis Bickle-based character the class afterwards, he was fucking hilarious.
Anyway, it could've went a lot better. There was this senior I really wanted to impress cause I had gotten my nerve up to talk to her the class before (I'm a sophomore). She's a big fan of all kinds of awesome new wave filmmaker's including PTA and she's really cute in a wierd way, she wears all this crazy, different punk-type stuff. She's sort of like a popular bookworm geek, she's really cool. So I built some of the stuff around just impressing her. Like, the whole "influences" thing was a lie, we didn't really NEED to have that. I just included it so she would be impressed that a sophomore guy knew so much about the filmmaker's that we had talked about. And then I knew the teacher would like it and give me some extra credit for the effort.
So, anyway. Thanks for all the help. I'm sure I'll get a great grade on it. I don't really see why this has to be moved to the scorsese board, there's really no point so I'd prefer if you didn't.
Classic that teen male motivation is put to its extreme when done for the purpose of a girl. I know everyone does this, but all the stories of it are great. Ebes, you're lucky because no girl I know now or in back in high school even liked the same movies I did. My main thing when looking for a gf is whether or not she will slam my movie collection and her personality can keep my interest afloat at least a little bit.
~rougerum
I look for nice boobs.
And legs. And hair. And a tight ass.
:-D
wait, did you just say you look for hairy legs? :shock:
Ha. No, no, the legs and hair should be seperate.
A nice Head of hair, is what I should have said.
whew. :lol: *(sigh of relief)
Indeed.
My current girlfriend shares the same taste in movies that I do. She doesn't know as much about the directors but I've taught her a lot...she's eager to learn. I remember watching magnolia with her, and being a bit scared that the frogs might alter her opinion on the film, but she totally got it. Afterwards we even discussed the finer points of the movie.
She's a groovy gal.
400th post!!!
Oh yeah man, it was fucking heaven talking to her about PTA, mostly Magnolia and Punch-Drunk Love (she even calls it Punch-Drunk!) for the short time we did. If I had any plans of ever having a girlfriend, which I don't, I would definitely love it if she shared my taste in film. I mean, it was kinda awkward cause this particular girl was a couple years older and I'm so surprised and she's so surprised that we know what eachother are talking about, you know. She was a lot smarter than me too, lol. She was talking circles around me with all these big words and stuff cause she reads a lot and she's in honors english, I'd try to counter and end up looking like a dick...I love it though, it was fun. Wanna hear the best part? Her super film geek boyfriend was standing right behind me. He was one of those faux ones though. Not like us. He loved EVERY film made before the 80's pretty much. EVERYTHING your supposed to like. He bitched about every film we watched in class. Now you wanna hear the worst part? I overheard her talking about Todd Solondz like she liked his films... :( Oh well. It really kinda sucks that I'll never see her again. I mean, she was no Zooey Deschanel but she was cute and cool and different.
I mean, it would just be cool to hang out with her. I don't mean as a girlfriend. I have seen the future and in it, I don't have a girlfriend.
Quote from: ebeamanHer super film geek boyfriend was standing right behind me. He was one of those faux ones though. Not like us. He loved EVERY film made before the 80's pretty much. EVERYTHING your supposed to like. He bitched about every film we watched in class.
Hmmmmmm.......I bet I could take him on.
p.s. *pats himself on the back for finally learning how to quote properly*
~rougerum