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There is a link to a story about Kevin Smith and his involvement with Richard Kelly's new flick Southland Tales.
The writer of the story recently attended a Kevin Smith speaking. During the Q&A with the audience the writer asked Smith about his involvement with Kelly's new film.
Smith said Richard sent him the script and it completely blew his mind. Smith said it was a combination of Pulp Fiction, The Player and MAGNOLIA - ONLY THE GOOD PARTS OF IT! But that the script is still nonetheless a Richard Kelly script.
I am so tired of Kevin Smith talking shit about Magnolia and PTA.
I'm also one of the few people out there who believes Richard Kelly wishes HE was PTA and is a blatent wanna-be! From various moments in Donnie Darko to the commentary track he did for the Donnie Darko dvd where at times it sounds like he is trying to do his best PTA impersanation! Everything from citing Jonathan Demme and his use of POINT OF VIEW - something PTA mentioned in the Boogie Nights commentary - and there is no way Kelly was influenced by Demme prior to PTA telling the world that HE was influenced by Demme, and prior to hearing the Boogie Nights commentary - guarentee!
I know Kelly has cited PTA as an influence and that is fine, great in fact! But i found the influence to be overbearing at times during Donnie Darko, mind you, it's an influence that's filtered through Richard Kelly's vision - but it was just too darn obvious at times - it was like a poor man's version of PTA moments.
If Richard Kelly is so influenced by PTA and has respect for the man - why is he working with the ultimate PTA/Magnolia hater? aka: loudmouth bullshit director Kevin Smith. I guess there is no respect.
I do think richard kelly is quite overrated. i dont see how people can label this guy a "genious visionary" when he's made ONE film, and a lackluster one at best. I've gone into detail why this movie doesn't work for me in other threads -- besides being extremely derrivative of other filmmakers, most notable lynch's work( pta wasn't one that came to mind for me), i just found it extremely self aware and unfullfilling. he had some interesting ideas, that were so poorly developed and executed from a storytelling prespective, it angered me when the ending posed more questions then were logically answered in the narrative ( and I'm not interested in hearing l about the brilliant insights the webiste provides). i'll give all you kelly fans one thing; he can shoot metallic bunnies like no other, and has mastered the harmonic blend of 80s music and navel gazing whiny actors. if that's what floats your boat, so be it. richard kelly is a filmmaker who i give credit to for at least coming out of the gate, trying to do something different. he has still yet to prove whether or not he's a storyteller worth discussing. until then...he's not.
Quote from: Henry KrinkleI'm also one of the few people out there who believes Richard Kelly wishes HE was PTA and is a blatent wanna-be! From various moments in Donnie Darko to the commentary track he did for the Donnie Darko dvd where at times it sounds like he is trying to do his best PTA impersanation! Everything from citing Jonathan Demme and his use of POINT OF VIEW - something PTA mentioned in the Boogie Nights commentary - and there is no way Kelly was influenced by Demme prior to PTA telling the world that HE was influenced by Demme, and prior to hearing the Boogie Nights commentary - guarentee!
I know Kelly has cited PTA as an influence and that is fine, great in fact! But i found the influence to be overbearing at times during Donnie Darko, mind you, it's an influence that's filtered through Richard Kelly's vision - but it was just too darn obvious at times - it was like a poor man's version of PTA moments.
If Richard Kelly is so influenced by PTA and has respect for the man - why is he working with the ultimate PTA/Magnolia hater? aka: loudmouth bullshit director Kevin Smith. I guess there is no respect.
whatever:
who cares if kelly wants to be like pta. he's making movies and you're not. who cares if what he rips off is through somebody else telling him about it. if you think his influences come through too strong, fine. it is his first movie, and he did do a pretty damn good job of it. and who cares if he's working with kevin smith? just because he works with smith doesn't mean he has to share or defend his opinions. if you're tired of kevin smith bashing pta, stop listening to him. now everyone go read a book or something
Cry.
And go here: http://www.xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=174489#174489
For a guy who made Gigli and is creating Clerks 2, he's got about 0 credibility with me.
Quote from: MyxomatosisFor a guy who made Gigli.
Jersey Girl, not Gigli.
I agree that Richard Kelly (and his movie) are WAY over-rated. Donnie Darko is artistic and intriguing, but it's also cynical, at times pretentious and totally unlikable. As far as Kevin Smith goes, I've heard tons of people call every one of PTA's movies a masterpiece and haven't heard them use that word with any of Smith's movies. While PTA is doing edgy, artistic and original movies, Smith is stuck with mostly bland and unoriginal movies like Jersey Girl. He has no right to say another single negative comment against PTA.
Quote from: Henry Krinkle
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Smith said Richard sent him the script and it completely blew his mind. Smith said it was a combination of Pulp Fiction, The Player and MAGNOLIA - ONLY THE GOOD PARTS OF IT! But that the script is still nonetheless a Richard Kelly script.
sound like a good movie
they're all overly blown up in people's eyes. all three need to be humbled as filmmakers.
although i agree, kelly did come across like a fucking washed up douchebag on that commentary. not in a pta kind of way, but in a "look at me i'm fresh out of film school" kind of way. the film is kinda cool, but it's big time sophomoric. shit, the best thing about that commentary is how he talks like the film is obvious about it's narrative. What!? i always thought it was convoluted and fucked up as part of its essence, that's kinda why i, and i'm assuming most people, are attracted to the film. after listening to that commentary track i just realized the filmmaker screwed up big time and couldn't convey the story he wanted. ironically it ended up being a fluke that the film was still cool, even better than his original concept. because once you hear his idea of what the story is about, it's not nearly as interesting (even somewhat contrived) as when it's perceived ambiguous by the audience.
i guess you really can fuck up and make something creative beyond your potential... case in point, the Deer Hunter is another.
-sl-
Quote from: socketlevelThen it's perceived ambiguous by the audience.
i guess you really can fuck up and make something creative beyond your potential... case in point, the Deer Hunter is another.
-sl-
i don't think you can classify deer hunter as a creative mistake that just happened to work out for the best -- these two can't be compared -- deer hunter, in my opinion, is one of the best films ever made - i think cimino is an amazing filmmaker - he over shot himself on heaven's gate, and unfortunately was not given another chance. while making that claim about deer hunter, why not keep going and say welles' citizen kane was a fluke.
i couldn't disagree with you more.
Quote from: SHAFTRQuote from: MyxomatosisFor a guy who made Gigli.
Jersey Girl, not Gigli.
hehehe...thats what i was thinking. i'm only so-so on kevin smith ...but throwing around the blame for "gigli"...that's just harsh :)
Donnie Darko is an impressive first film, especially for a 25 year old director. When you're that young, your influences will be more evident. Sure, there is a David Lynch influence, but I remember thinking that Tarantino's work, upon my first exposure, was highly influenced by David Mamet. Every artist has influences. What matters is what you do with them. Donnie Darko had a truly unique tone, and it had images that stuck in my mind for months, like a dream. Quite often, I have apocalyptic dreams with weird cloud formations, and Donnie Darko was the first film I've seen with similar imagery. Plus, there is the satirical look at the late 80's culture, with Patrick Swayze playing a Tony Robbins type of guru. I'm curious to see what Kelly comes up with next.
kevin smith likes boogie nights. says "you're hard pressed to find a better film than boogie nights."
Hedwig's back. I think a lot of us missed you.
I beleive the proper term would be 'running gag' !!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't understand; are you PTA's mother?
Quote from: RonenI beleive the proper term would be 'running gag' !!!!!!!!!!!!
I don't understand; are you PTA's mother?
i believe the proper term would be '4 months ago' !!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i don't understand; are you a kevin smith fan/tard?
Some dudes overrate PTA so much that even in praise they take it as a diss. KS, regardless of how awful he is, said something he is working on contains the good parts of Magnolia. How is that a diss? You could say that about anything, I only wanna contain the good parts of some movie. Most flicks don't even have good parts. I see it more as him mentioning PTA cause he respects him, he could have just as easily cited a number of different movies that PTA ripped off and it would have given the same impression. Maybe the good part they were talking about was the cinematography? Cause that's really the only thing in my mind that deserves overpraising when it comes to PTA. And even that is Elswit.
Richard Kelly cracks me up though. When everyone turns 20 they will realize Donnie Darko is kind of silly, like I did.
Quote from: Stefen Posts Ghetto?Richard Kelly cracks me up though. When everyone turns 20 they will realize Donnie Darko is kind of silly, like I did.
No it isn't. It's great.
Anyway, agreed with what you said about Smith respecting PTA but not about him beeing overpraised. He cannot be overpraised. Okey, maybe in Xixax, but that's 'cause he's the man.
round-round-getta-round, i get around.
okay.
NEIL HAMBURGER?
Quote from: Neilso Give richard kelly the credit he deserves, he made a good movie for what it is....not a PTA rip off not a Lynch esque film,
call me crazy, but PTA rip-offs and lynch-esque films are a-okay with me.
WAS THAT NEIL HAMBURGER
Quote from: SleuthWAS THAT NEIL HAMBURGER
no, unfortunately. it's a real retard.
Quote from: NeilJackie Browne is "Rum Punch" By Elmore Leonard but with a ________...yes Tarantino twist.
hahaha, thats all I need to respond with________..really
boobies.
QuoteFirst of all the whole "donnie darko will be silly when you're 20" is probably the dumbest thing i've ever read.....my I.Q. dropped several points after reading that.....Also, i would like to add, that Kelly did absolutely nothing wrong you people just take things way to far....let me just sum this up like this, Tarantino (who is one of my favorite film makers of all time) literally steals other peoples plots and ideas, BUT makes them his own, Pulp Fiction (his most acclaimed film) is a few recycled stories that have a sort of Tarantino twist on them....and Jackie Browne is "Rum Punch" By Elmore Leonard but with a ________...yes Tarantino twist....and I could keep going with kill bill, True Romance or whatever you want.....however I think he is an amazing film maker....this is because he never says anywhere "hey this is fresh original, and nothing has ever been made like this before" Tarantino never said anyhting like that at all, and neither did Richard Kelly.....Both of those guys (Kelly, and Tarantino, and even Kevin Smith) just want to make somthing they enjoy, that they want other people to see......so Give richard kelly the credit he deserves, he made a good movie for what it is....not a PTA rip off not a Lynch esque film, Let donnie darko be what it is......And On a side Note I understand this is a PTA forum, and he's very good, i just needed to put that out there so i'm semi-on topic
that post made me want to gouge my eyes out.
but i just settled for posting for the first time in months to show my anger.
nnnnnnnnnnnnnNNNNNNNNNNNNNNEIL HAAAAAMBURGER
how does kevin smith hate magnolia and PTA? Why etc?
http://home.cwru.edu/~bcl3/
he has some good points, although it's too bad that his stuff is worse for far different reasons. pta may be overly flashy in shooting style, but ks is guilty of the same in his dialog.
and what's up with the other asshole coming in to give his two cents. i would love one of the kevin smith's buddies, to just once, take the other side of the argument.
don't slap the hand that feeds you i guess...
-sl-
this argument died years ago, along with whatever significance kevin smith ever had in cinema.
the end.
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Quote from: Gingerhttp://home.cwru.edu/~bcl3/
I don't agree with the comment by Vincent, but I will say that his debut "A Better Place" is a pretty decent ultra-low budget film.
Neo Zeed: I for one am glad that Kevin stopped talking shit and has got back to his roots. After Chasing Amy and Dogma, Kevin got a real swelled head, and started talking shit about Ed Burns, Tim Burton, and Paul Thomas Anderson.
Kevin Smith: First off, be fair: I was talking shit about Ed Burns, circa "Mallrats".
And the shit I talked about PTA was about one of his flicks. Have you never given your opinion of a movie in the Talkbacks of AICN? Indeed, the sentence above could be construed as YOU talking shit about ME, simply because you stated your (muddled, IMHO) opinion. And in this instance, you weren't even asked: you volunteered it. In the case of my comments about "Magnolia", someone ASKED me what I thought of the flick, and I answered. How is that shit-talking?
http://www.viewaskew.com/theboard/viewtopic.php?p=1192656#1192656
Quote from: Kevin SmithIn the case of my comments about "Magnolia", someone ASKED me what I thought of the flick, and I answered. How is that shit-talking?
if it came out of your mouf, it's shit-talking.
considering how bad his films are, who cares what the hell he has to say. When PTA makes his "Jersey Girl" I'll gladly join Smith in the bashing, for now though, he needs to turn his attention to his own output.
you know, PTA has my heart, but at the same time I was getting into KS (that's short for kevin smith I'm clever hah)
And to be honest, reading his comebacks to the posters really made my night. I slept better after reading how he railed on them with logic, and when he ran out of logic, blowjob jokes. I don't know man.
Iliked it. And PTA is the man. So anyways. Oi.
does kevin smith even matter anymore? he's a hack!! plain and simple. he just made my list with tim burton, bryan singer and roger avery. congradualtions silent bob, you're a hack!!
bad filmmaker, funny comedian ive always thought
My god, Kevin Smith sucks. What a waste of potential. He could be interesting if he wasn't so #@$@#ing lazy and potheaded.
Fart. That's funny.
Quote from: jigzawMy god, Kevin Smith sucks. What a waste of potential. He could be interesting if he wasn't so #@$@#ing lazy and potheaded.
...feel free to swear for real.
fuck.
I just had a quick question
Q: Is this forum for people's thoughts?
I'm probably wrong, but i thought it was, my condolences.
Quote from: Neil on March 15, 2006, 09:55:00 PM
I just had a quick question
Q: Is this forum for people's thoughts?
I'm probably wrong, but i thought it was, my condolences.
what the hell are you asking? seriously. and secondly, who are you? jesus christ this is the most worthless thread revival ever.
I don't speak up. But thank you Pubrick.
Neil, if you have some grand (or even pedestrian) defense of Kevin Smith, we'd all love to hear it.
(v)
wow.
you don't have to be a regular poster for people to give a damn about what you post as long as what you say is of any worth. it went like this:
1. You posted your thoughts
2. People expressed their own thoughts about your original thought
3. YOU LEFT FOR ALMOST AN ENTIRE YEAR before returning to respond. nobody cares at this point.
Quote from: Neil on March 16, 2006, 01:54:43 PM
and then everyone and their mother had something to say about it, so i basically just forgot about this site, because that made it not fun..
YEAH HOW DARE THEM EXPRESS THEIR THOUGHTS!
this isn't too much fun, is it? i guess you can forget about us again.
The best part is how Neil's orginal "thought" ("thought" in quotation marks) was just shit-talking about something Stefen wrote. Or, if you prefer, shit-talking about one of Stefen's thoughts. It's a vicious circle.
But here's my question: what happened yesterday that caused Neil (who is, in real life, I can only assume, First Man on the Moon Neil Armstrong) to lash out in impotent frustration about something that happened in this thread a year ago?
I look forward to an answer in a year or two.
I really need to get back into that old movie writing thing.
Well, i thought i was kicked off the site, because i wasn't able to log in any more...So i kind of just forgot about it, and then that was that. However, i decided to make a new account, and something happened and i decided to try and get this one going again, i sent an email to the admin, which i don't think i ever got a response, but then i tried some other stuff, and then one day it just worked, so, now here we are.
noticed some interest in this topic after P brought up the situation. Scrolled through and didn't see this part, thought it's due for an update ( albeit a very old one )
From "An Evening With Kevin Smith"
Q: I was just curious, have you had...besides the whole round with Michael Eisner...have you had any confrontational experiences within the industry? Paul Thomas Anderson getting a little angry at your public bashing of Magnolia?
KS: Not at all. I ran into Paul Thomas Anderson as I was getting my physical for Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back. Isn't it weird that...why's that funny?
Q: I don't know.
KS: 'Cause you're like, "'You' and 'physical' should never be in the same..." No, when you're about to direct a movie, they make you take a physical because they have to insure the movie and they have to insure the director in case the director drops dead of a heart attack, if he smokes a lot, and eats really bad food. So I'm in there getting my physical, I haven't gotten it yet, I'm sitting there filling out the paperwork wondering if I'm going to have to drop trau to have my balls grabbed, wondering if I'll have to pay for it...or if he'll pay me. And I hear a guy go, "Kevin, hello," and I look, and it's PTA...Paul Thomas Anderson. I was like, "Hey man, how are you?" He was like, "Good. Good. What are you doing?" I was like, "Just getting my physical. What are you doing?" He said, "Getting mine." I said, "What are you shooting?" He said, "Movie with Adam Sandler." I said, "Oh, great." He says, "Good to see you", I say "Good to see you", and he left. And after he left, I was just like, "Oh my God. That was the motherfucker I bitch-slapped on the Internet." And he was so classy, you know? He didn't say anything about it. I wasn't even looking. The dude was behind me. He could have come up behind me with a fucking chair and been like...y'know? Nothing like, he was, "Hey, Kevin", and then hit me with a chair. Just so I could see it was him. That would've been my move. I would've been like, "Hey, Paul", if he said something about me. But he was real classy, and I thought that was really kind of cool. Then I felt bad for my comment, then I was like, "ugh, I shouldn't have said that."
you see? Paul always comes out the bigger man. Figuratively in this case, of course.
^^^ In case you wanna see his big fat retarded face as he says it:
at around 4:10...