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Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on June 12, 2003, 03:56:14 PM
QT has named him as his favorite director.  he made a wide range of films from westerns to wacky comedies to detective film noir type things.  i think he deserves a thread.  i loved BRINGING UP BABY and thought it was wacky as hell. i liked THE BIG SLEEP (but i had just watched THE MALTESE FALCON and for bogie detective flicks i preferred the latter).  the plot got a little muddled i thought.   next up for me is RIO BRAVO, HIS GIRL FRIDAY and GENTLEMAN PREFER BLONDES.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: children with angels on June 12, 2003, 04:02:38 PM
His Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby are two of my favourite golden era movies: they still feel so fresh and funny.

Hawks was amazing the way he could shift genres so successfully.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on June 12, 2003, 04:04:18 PM
yeah i mean, just the differences between BRINGING UP BABY and THE BIG SLEEP.  totally different styles, genres, feels.  i wouldnt have known it was the same guy, if i....didn't know it was the same guy.  i am very excited to see some more though.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: children with angels on June 12, 2003, 04:09:48 PM
That happened a lot more in the studio system: jobbing directors being given lots of different kinds of material - I mean, Michael Curtiz, who made Casablanca, made The Adventures of Robin Hood...
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on June 12, 2003, 04:12:10 PM
Quote from: children with angelsThe Adventures of Robin Hood...

which is also on my list (of movies to see).  i think its interesting to have a director who could adapt to the material like that.  even though it may not be his hearts desire he can still make a terrific film.  thats something you dont see as much nowadays (as we are not really in a studio assembly line type setup).
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: Gold Trumpet on June 12, 2003, 06:06:37 PM
I'm going to start getting more into his movies with my weekly cheap rentals of old movies where I rent 5 movies for a week and watch it over that week. Red River, though, is a great film. One of the very best westerns and I definitely recommend it.

~rougerum
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: aclockworkjj on July 03, 2003, 12:23:49 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm going to start getting more into his movies with my weekly cheap rentals of old movies where I rent 5 movies for a week and watch it over that week. Red River, though, is a great film. One of the very best westerns and I definitely recommend it.

~rougerum

Red River does rule......I suggest watching that.....with any John Ford Western...and compare the 2.....the difference between something in the same genre is almost unseen.....
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: Ernie on July 03, 2003, 05:37:21 PM
I've seen Rio Bravo and it's one of my favorite movies...definitely look forward to seeing more by Hawks...John Ford too.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: MacGuffin on July 03, 2003, 07:51:40 PM
Have to make a special mention:

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Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on July 13, 2003, 10:34:03 PM
just watched Rio Bravo finally.  loved loved loved it.  so good.  funny, good action, great characters and relationships.  it was really great, and i am going to have to buy it.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 14, 2003, 08:20:01 AM
Quote from: children with angelsHis Girl Friday and Bringing Up Baby are two of my favourite golden era movies: they still feel so fresh and funny.

Hawks was amazing the way he could shift genres so successfully.

And his dialogue was almost revolutionary, the way he had characters overlap sentences (i.e. Bogie and Bacall in The Big Sleep)....it drew a certain chemistry between the characters and made them seem all that more real.  This guy RULES.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on July 16, 2003, 10:15:59 PM
just watched Gentlemen Prefer Blondes and His Girl Friday, both of which i liked (although my favorites are still Bringing Up Baby and Rio Bravo).  GPB was pretty good, it seemed like a wacky I love Lucy episode with some musical numbers thrown in rather than a big scale musical (like singin in the rain).  but was good.  monroe and russell were funny.  and his girl friday i liked also.  but there were about 30 min towards the middle that cary grant was not in!  it really slowed the movie down i thought.  and then it got a little too into the escaped killer thing and not enough of the witty backandforth with grant and that was disappointing.  i love cary grant.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: Alethia on July 16, 2003, 11:27:23 PM
i fucking love his girl friday with a passion
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: aclockworkjj on July 20, 2003, 01:10:30 AM
Quote from: Ghoulardi Goon[The Big Sleep

Wonderful mention...great flick.  Marlowe is sweet.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on July 21, 2003, 11:28:47 PM
just watched Hatari! at the recommendation (and loaning of the dvd) from my boss, who inexplicably is in love with the movie.  i thought it was pretty good.  good characters, great locations (africa).  surprisingly, not really any sort of plot.  (and it was a two and a half hour movie).  just sort of the characters relationships and them going out and hunting animals during the day and getting drunk at nite.  but i liked it. so i think...

1. bringing up baby
2. rio bravo
3. hatari
4. gentlemen prefer blondes
5. his girl friday
6. the big sleep

if i had to rank my favorites for my own INTRO TO HOWARD HAWKS>
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on October 11, 2003, 05:29:38 PM
i just also watched the thing from another world, which was a very interesting counterpart to carpenter's The Thing which i love.  this one, was also very good.  the scene where the thing gets lit on fire is pretty amazing.  good acting, snappy dialogue, and a cool story.  i might have to get this one.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: kotte on January 02, 2004, 10:49:29 AM
I've only seen one Hawks film yet. His Girl Friday. I know I'm in no place yet to say he's amazing but I'll do it anyway. He's amazing. I have two other Hawks films in order and I can't wait.

I'll say the obvious thing: It's how he directs dialogue.

Except Rio Bravo, The Big Sleep and His Girl Friday what films of his do you recommend?
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: cine on January 02, 2004, 12:08:26 PM
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Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: cron on January 02, 2004, 12:55:38 PM
how is his Scarface?
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: Alethia on January 02, 2004, 01:41:20 PM
i like it better than depalmas
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: cine on January 02, 2004, 01:47:37 PM
Second that.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: cron on January 02, 2004, 02:09:10 PM
really?
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: Alethia on January 02, 2004, 04:57:12 PM
really.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: godardian on January 02, 2004, 05:39:00 PM
Isn't Red River supposed to be a really big deal? How does everyone here rate that one?

Is the only way to get Scarface (Hawks's) on DVD to buy the De Palma deluxe set that includes it? I've been holding off on buying De Palma's 'cos if it is, then I'll spring for the big box.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: MacGuffin on January 02, 2004, 06:10:49 PM
Quote from: godardianIs the only way to get Scarface (Hawks's) on DVD to buy the De Palma deluxe set that includes it?

As far as I know, yes.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on January 03, 2004, 11:20:30 PM
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thats so funny that this topic was resurrected yesterday, because yesterday as part of a little directors month in 2004 i'm doing, (every month highlight a different director i like, and during one week of that month, see 5 movies of his/hers that i havent seen yet).  so january is Howard Hawks month and yesterday i just watched To Have And Have Not which was good, Monkey Business which was wacky as hell, and Red River which i liked best of the three.  i really liked Red River and the thing that interested me most in the movie is how John Waynes character went from being the 'hero' and the one whom you identified with in the beginning of the film and slowly turns into sort of a villian.  by the time they leave him behind and he threattens to come back and kill them all i couldnt believe it!  and for the next 30 minutes or so of film, all the tension thats building just waiting for him to show up!  i just thought that was so great and completely facinating how the lead character ends up disappearing and just becoming mythically frightening.  it was a really neat dynamic that i'm not sure i've ever seen before.  the resolution was less satisfying, but it was still really good.
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: modage on January 10, 2004, 10:06:04 PM
just watched Scarface and Only Angels Have Wings tonite finishing up my Howard Hawks week for January.  scarface was interesting but didnt really do anything for me.  funny accents galore, but an interesting comparison for the depalma version, (which i'm not crazy about either).  Only Angels Have Wings was a pretty neat Cary Grant romance/adventure type movie but nothing i'm totally in love with.  i liked how his character never changed and it didnt go for a sappy resolution or anything.  rita hayworth is much hotter than jean arthur though, so he should've went with her. so now, i think i'm about like this (as if anyone cares)...
1. bringing up baby
2. rio bravo
3. red river
4. to have and have not
5. the thing from another world
6. hatari
7. gentlemen prefer blondes
8. his girl friday
9. only angels have wings
10. monkey business
11. the big sleep
12. scarface

i think i'm done with him for a while, but anyone have any suggestions of where to go next for Howard Hawks when i decide to see some more?
Title: Howard Hawks
Post by: samsong on June 22, 2004, 10:10:01 PM
I just saw Only Angels Have Wings after reading somewhere that it's one of Wim Wenders' favorite films.  Just so happened to be my first Howard Hawks film, too, and if modernage is right (which he rarely is...  :P ) and this is only a preview of what Hawks is like, then I'm going to fucking die watching his other stuff.  Only Angels Have Wings is further proof that 1939 truly is one of the greatest years in the history of (America) cinema.  I absolutely loved it minus the "tragic" turn it takes at the 3/4's mark... luckily it picks up afterwards and ends on a perfectly happy note, one that gives happy endings its good name back.  Cary Grant and Jean Arthur both give excellent performances and have great chemistry, as does the entire cast; this is one of the most finely acted films I've ever seen.  The film flows like water with moments of pure genius... scenes are intricately constructed and just so beautifully executed.... bah, makes me want to cry.  As for Rita Hayworth being hotter than Jean Arthur.  Hayworth may look better but there's a feisty vulnerability that Jean Arthur exudes that I find irresistable... same goes with Barbara Stanwyck.  Yum.  I love both of them.  Rita's nice to look, though.  I think Gilda will change my mind.

Needless to say I'm definitely going on a Howard Hawks binge soon, though there's no way for me to see Scarface... no easy way, that is.
Title: Re: Howard Hawks
Post by: w/o horse on June 27, 2007, 08:38:09 PM
I have this strong urge pushing me towards watching Air Force and Land of the Pharaohs soon.  It's an interest spurred on by the fascination of witnessing lesser material from a Hollywood heavyweight, Faulkner involvement, and certainly camp potential (heightended by Land of the Pharaohs' recent inclusion in Cult Camp Classics Volume 4: Historical Epics).  They could be wacky, like Hawks' wacky comedy Bringing up Baby that's really wacky.

So I'm going to do it soon and then I'll tell Xixax about it and if someone wants to do this with me they should.
Title: Re: Howard Hawks
Post by: w/o horse on July 25, 2007, 09:57:57 PM
Land of the Pharaohs is this massive spectacle that knows too well what it is and what it wants to do.  I fell asleep in the middle, and to be honest I'll probably trade it in before I rewatch it.  Though the end seemed dramatic.