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The Director's Chair => Paul Thomas Anderson => Topic started by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 01:29:37 AM

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Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 01:29:37 AM
Just stumbled upon this site and figured I should should start getting ridiculed right off the bat.
So: question for y'all.  I have heard from 3 sources that worked on PDL that there was a whole deleted storyline that Lena was in fact an alien of all things, sets were built and scrapped, and scenes reshot.  I didn't give it much credence, but after seeing moon landings pop up on the tv in the phone sex girl's office and Lena's apartment (during Blossoms and Blood/"Here We Go") I had second thoughts.  
Has anyone else heard anything to confirm/deny?  Curious.
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Post by: The Silver Bullet on May 01, 2003, 02:27:29 AM
:shock:

You're actually asking us this?
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 03:31:39 AM
Why not?  Like I said, I've heard it from several people.
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Post by: Victor on May 01, 2003, 06:52:56 AM
no, there's some level of truth to it, ptahas said in interviews that he wanted lena to seem like an alien creature, because shes so new to barry's world. as for her actually BEING an alien and having special sets built to show that, i dont know, i dont think so.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 01, 2003, 07:31:22 AM
Fucking weird though.
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Post by: Cecil on May 01, 2003, 09:41:10 AM
that wouldve been... uhhhhh....
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Post by: SoNowThen on May 01, 2003, 12:12:07 PM
shades of 8 1/2...
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 01, 2003, 12:37:20 PM
Quote from: MImagine the grande finale when Lena has to return home to her own planet......................?

"Be good, Barry."

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Post by: Duck Sauce on May 01, 2003, 01:31:23 PM
Yeah, there are tons of things that hint at it, I dont remember if its this board of the PTA board but there was a topic with tons of info and theories about this, im sure if it still exists Mac could find it.
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Post by: Sigur Rós on May 01, 2003, 02:06:49 PM
Seriously, is all this a big joke? It's sound far out!
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 04:10:23 PM
I'm totally serious, I'm not one for making up bogus rumors and starting nonsense discussions.  I heard it from two unrelated people, then got the skinny from a source so close to PTA it's not funny.

Next time you watch the movie, just look for the signs.  It's very strange (and quite honestly, I'm glad it didn't happen).
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Post by: Duck Sauce on May 01, 2003, 04:54:04 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndActI heard it from two unrelated people, then got the skinny from a source so close to PTA it's not funny.

were these three sources found on the internet, or maybe even xixax.com?
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Post by: RegularKarate on May 01, 2003, 05:00:22 PM
Or even better yet, were these sources brothers?
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 05:07:06 PM
No, they're real people.  One on set, one in post, and one in the office.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 01, 2003, 05:34:38 PM
The sick part is is that a part of me, for some unknown, unGODLY reason, might believe you.
But God, it's fucking....weird. REally fucking weird.  What was he thinking? Thank god he didn't include that story line.  The implications would have been mind blowing lol

But I still need more proof. There, I need more proof.
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Post by: MacGuffin on May 01, 2003, 05:36:49 PM
Quote from: punchdrunk23But I still need more proof. There, I need more proof.

lena is an anagram for: al(i)en

Freaky, huh?
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 01, 2003, 05:39:54 PM
Honestly, I have no physical proof.  Just what these people told me.  I would very much like to name names, but I know Paul lurks out there somewhere...
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 01, 2003, 06:01:17 PM
Hey Mac, it's not exactly an anagram for alien (you are missing the 'i')...
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Post by: pumba on May 01, 2003, 06:13:50 PM
I read somewhere that Lena is really E.T and barry's favorite movie is E.t so at the end they only fall in love because E.T is Barry's favorite movie. This can be found on the commentary on the 2 disc dvd.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 01, 2003, 06:17:16 PM
Smartass lol
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Post by: Alethia on May 01, 2003, 08:26:27 PM
that's.......interesting -- but less is more kids, remember that
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Post by: Pozer on May 02, 2003, 12:32:49 AM
<--- extras who were all cut from the completed film
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Post by: oakmanc234 on May 02, 2003, 01:25:32 AM
LENA:AN ALIEN?!.............That would've been just so, so f***in' stuuuuupid, my god.............

Ending a film with raining frogs is one thing but not even PTA could've pulled the alien thing off..........('Punch-Drunk-Galaxian Love'??????)
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Post by: Pubrick on May 02, 2003, 01:37:41 AM
it's true, Barry is an anagram for: Barry (White).

freaky..
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 02, 2003, 07:08:11 AM
Quote from: M
Quote from: punchdrunk23Hey Mac, it's not exactly an anagram for alien (you are missing the 'i')...
punchdrunk23 is an anagram for obsessed.

Guilty as charged. :)
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 02, 2003, 07:10:24 AM
Well, I had a night to sleep on it...reread the shooting script, and all of that...and I don't think an alien theme was ever in the works.  It just doesn't seem like something he would try.  At least not in this particular movie.  It would have been too off the wall...
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on May 02, 2003, 08:47:22 AM
Yeah yo. Yo, yeah. Wassup my brutha.  :lol:
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Post by: Pwaybloe on May 02, 2003, 11:22:35 AM
I'll show myself out.  Thanks.
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Post by: neatahwanta on May 02, 2003, 06:59:09 PM
You know when Barry is first shown in the grocery story, and the old man in red, way down the isle pushing the cart, looks at Barry...and then a few isles later you see a "Lena" type womanin red, pushing a cart way in the background....maybe Lena was a transforming alien?

Nah, total rubbish...
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Post by: sphinx on May 03, 2003, 02:15:50 AM
Quote from: neatahwantaYou know when Barry is first shown in the grocery story, and the old man in red, way down the isle pushing the cart, looks at Barry...and then a few isles later you see a "Lena" type womanin red, pushing a cart way in the background....maybe Lena was a transforming alien?

Nah, total rubbish...

it's an old man in the close shots and maya rudolph from snl in the wide shots.  i was sworn to secrecy on the meaning
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Post by: picolas on May 03, 2003, 03:28:33 PM
Quote from: sphinxi was sworn to secrecy on the meaning

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Post by: Redlum on June 08, 2003, 05:23:56 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: MImagine the grande finale when Lena has to return home to her own planet......................?

"Be good, Barry."

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imdb.com%2FPhotos%2FSs%2F0083866%2FETCVLG_ET-FS32.jpg&hash=694af24d4a05118aad3ecf0e5a503d708d077c63)

Oh yes. And then instead of the rainbow jet trail the spaceship leaves in ET, the craft can flood the sky with Jeremy Blake artwork.
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Post by: Just Withnail on June 08, 2003, 10:13:39 AM
Link posted this in another tread, but since he hasn't re-posted it here, I thought I'd spark this ridicolous conversation up again  :wink:

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Check out chapter twelve  :-D  Probably means nothing, but it cracked me up  :P
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on June 08, 2003, 10:26:18 AM
Creepy...... :o
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Post by: bonanzataz on June 08, 2003, 04:19:32 PM
god that dvd set looks delicious.
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Post by: Mesh on June 09, 2003, 02:26:34 PM
Lena: AL(i)EN

Leonard: Nimoy?
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Post by: Mesh on June 09, 2003, 02:28:46 PM
Quote from: Withnail

Check out chapter twelve...

And Chapter 2.
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Post by: EL__SCORCHO on June 09, 2003, 07:30:16 PM
Quote from: WithnailLink posted this in another tread, but since he hasn't re-posted it here, I thought I'd spark this ridicolous conversation up again  :wink:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdvdmedia.ign.com%2Fdvd%2Fimage%2Fpunchdrunk_preview03.jpg&hash=7d16fc91d3cdc2276c02c9428a64e0fb238a6d6b)

Check out chapter twelve  :-D  Probably means nothing, but it cracked me up  :P

are you female?
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Post by: MacGuffin on June 24, 2003, 03:47:19 PM
Okay, so I noticed something in Chapter 12. Probably nothing, but it is labeled Alien Abduction:

When Barry drops his trash off, the street is dimly lit. After the truck pulls in and the Brothers grab him, a bright overhead spotlight shines down on them. It stays there even after the truck drives off, then it just quickly tilts up. The same kind of spotlight dances around the 99 cent store sign in the next scene.
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Post by: Pozer on June 24, 2003, 03:56:13 PM
oh
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Post by: Xixax on June 24, 2003, 06:41:30 PM
Man, I cannot believe my PDL DVD didn't arrive in time for the film festival. Tonight would have been so rich.

Last time I pre-order via Amazon. I tell ya.

I feel like my wife felt when she thought her Harry Potter book wasn't going to arrive on Saturday.

Robbed... Empty...
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on June 25, 2003, 11:50:05 AM
Kinda weird.  It's not meant to be taken literally though...maybe PTA's trying to say that here are these 'strange=alien" beings entering Barry's world....
I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.
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Post by: BackUpOffMeFoo on June 25, 2003, 12:01:38 PM
Quote from: mogwai's
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Sweet screengrab I must say...

My new wallpaper.
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Post by: Victor on June 25, 2003, 12:09:59 PM
from that same scene: watch blossoms and blood. the part where barry looks behind him and says, "99 cents. pudding." that whole shot feels like something out of an alien movie, with the music and the way barry speaks. it adds to these crazy ass conspiracy theories that keep popping up.
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Post by: BackUpOffMeFoo on June 25, 2003, 12:37:27 PM
Quote from: mogwai's
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Colors in that scene rule. Love how the .99 sign is inbetween Sandler and Dave's head. Really funny how he keeps looking up and saying $.99. Like the shot in the deleted scene when the focus goes from Dave... To Nate... To Jim.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on June 25, 2003, 01:48:09 PM
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Quote from: FooColors in that scene rule. Love how the .99 sign is inbetween Sandler and Dave's head. Really funny how he keeps looking up and saying $.99. Like the shot in the deleted scene when the focus goes from Dave... To Nate... To Jim.
The deleted extended scene should've been in the movie. There's some great acting by Adam Sandler who tries to chit chat with the guy closest to the camera, Jim, I presume. Very funny stuff and I guess there was different dialogue as well, if I remember.

I agree.  They really should have kept that in...I thought the moment was so Barry, and it just highlighted his passive/aggressive stance to life...I mean, he should have just ripped into the guys, but he was trying to diffuse the situation with pleasentries as he does throughout the film.
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Post by: bonanzataz on June 25, 2003, 05:15:47 PM
i love that part on the second dvd, but i don't think it works within the movie. the brothers just start to beat him up for no reason, it just seems to happen and it doesn't have a flow. the way it is now flows. the whole movie flows now and while i liked all the deleted stuff on the dvd, i think everything is better in the movie.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on June 25, 2003, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: bonanzatazi love that part on the second dvd, but i don't think it works within the movie. the brothers just start to beat him up for no reason, it just seems to happen and it doesn't have a flow. the way it is now flows. the whole movie flows now and while i liked all the deleted stuff on the dvd, i think everything is better in the movie.

To each his own.
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Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on June 27, 2003, 09:47:41 AM
No dude.  That's the flashlight/handheld lamp one of the brothers uses while they're chasing Barry down in the street.
Let's not get carried away...... :)
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Post by: Alethia on June 27, 2003, 11:20:09 AM
also notice on Georgia's TV, she is watching something about space travel, and on blossoms and blood so is lena.  maybe?
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Post by: sphinx on June 27, 2003, 12:32:01 PM
i don't think the alien you are referring to is something separate from the brothers.  the light just before barry starts running again seems like something that's there to scare him even more, as if the brothers have the ability to shine this light in places that don't seem possible (i.e. from their car on a street while barry is running in an alley).
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Post by: sphinx on June 27, 2003, 12:43:38 PM
Quote from: mogwaiBut the light that suddenly disappears after the brothers take Barry into their 4 wheel drive, what's that then?

i think it's part of the brothers.  it could be an alien, but i think that barry's abduction is being compared to an alien one, especially with the play of lights that the brothers have.  the spotlight that floats around bears a lot of resemblance to the kind of light the brothers hold, and while i'm not saying that both lights come from the same flashlight, it makes me suspect they both originate from the brothers
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Post by: Alethia on June 27, 2003, 02:16:30 PM
no, it's when he calls from the warehouse
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Post by: fulty on June 27, 2003, 08:04:12 PM
Something peculiar about the abduction.

2 brothers grab him,
1 closes the tail gate.
1 driving..... seems to take off immediately.
The 1 that closed the gate would be left behind.

He could be shining the light around, but can he fly too..?
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Post by: Banky on November 18, 2003, 06:32:48 AM
i dont buy it