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Re: Lost (spoilers)
« Reply #1935 on: January 15, 2017, 01:03:29 AM »
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I hate to be a contrarian, but I think the Desmond/Penny content can get a bit overwrought.

I still like it, and "The Constant" is great (I gave it a 10), but I don't agree with the semi-popular belief that Desmond and Penny are the soul of Lost. I'm not sure they quite pulled off what they were ostensibly going for — an epic romance that conquers space and time.

Desmond and Penny sometimes read to me as playing structural roles in the show. (At worst, Penny herself can resemble a macguffin.)

But Jack and Kate read as flesh and blood characters with explosive chemistry and an existential connection that seems to transcend earthly concepts of friendship or romance. In fact, when they are together and engaged off-island, rather than an end-point it feels like just one hat they're trying on in their eternal journey. In some moments they even achieve this intense look of recognition as if they remember each other from a past life. (For example, 14:40 in "I Do.")

Perhaps it has something to do with Matthew Fox and Evangeline Lilly being the best actors on the show. I don't know if that's controversial, but I truly believe it.

Watch "Something Nice Back Home" and "I Do" and "316" and see if you agree.
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« Reply #1936 on: January 15, 2017, 02:05:31 AM »
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Yeah, I never once got the sense throughout the series that Jack and Kate had any sort of realistic connection beyond being two pretty people who got stranded on an island together. I'm a much bigger proponent of Kate/Sawyer and Jack/Juliet.
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« Reply #1937 on: January 15, 2017, 10:27:43 AM »
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Wow. I could not disagree more.

Many fans feel exactly the way you do, though. It's an interesting divide.
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Re: Lost (spoilers)
« Reply #1938 on: January 15, 2017, 12:10:38 PM »
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Kate & Sawyer and Jack & Juliet are the logical options because of their personalities and backgrounds. First there is the fact that Jack & Kate meet first and have a lot of forced-chemistry moments because they spend so many times 'leading' together (and she keeps following Jack every time he says not to follow him). Sawyer at first is played as this total asshole that won't care about anyone else.

But as characters develop, you can see Kate & Sawyer are very much alike. And you can see Jack & Juliet are very much alike, not just because they are doctors, but because they are obsessed with "trying to fix things" or "be in control" even though neither one has control.

I have always rooted for Jack & Kate though because it was clear that it would never really happen. That is why "Something Nice Back Home" is great and heartbreaking, because you get to see a glimpse of what that connection could be and get Jack loses his shit again.

The Sawyer & Juliet dynamic also seems forced at first, but by the end of "LaFleur" you believe it. And it's another situation similar to "Something Nice Back Home" because it seems like they are finally happy and have a great life and purpose, and it all goes to hell from there. Sawyer never forgot about Kate, and she is now back in the picture, but that doesn't make him love Juliet any less (and the episodes after that prove it).

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« Reply #1939 on: January 15, 2017, 12:47:37 PM »
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I agree. And I'll take that a bit further. Kate and Sawyer are actually too much alike to ever be long-term partners. You can see this even in the episode where they have sex in the cage ("I Do") and then in the following episodes when it's crystal clear that she was never going to meet Sawyer's level of commitment. It's a bit heartbreaking to see how crushed and frustrated he is, but it also feels inevitable. Equally inevitable as Kate & Jack's romance being doomed.

The thing that almost transpires between Jack and Juliet in Season 3, I think, is probably the least convincing romance in the entire show. That's when the love triangle (quadrangle at that point) actually starts to feel forced and kind of ridiculous. The scenes with them laughing together are stagey and a little embarrassing, honestly. (Then of course we find out it's a bit of a misunderstanding — they were being secretive because of their secret plan to go to war with the Others.)
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« Reply #1940 on: March 03, 2017, 06:13:16 AM »
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There's a Masterclass with Lindelof in Paris, I'll go. Do you have questions I could ask in a Q&A? It's in April. They'll also show the first two episodes of the last season of The Leftovers before they air.
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« Reply #1941 on: March 03, 2017, 11:15:16 AM »
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Oh my. I will have to think of something.
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« Reply #1942 on: April 08, 2017, 11:34:09 AM »
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The masterclass is saturday. And I see the episodes thursday! It's exciting because, except the fact that they'll go to Australia, I have no idea what to expect—and it's one of the many joys of The Leftovers...

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« Reply #1943 on: April 08, 2017, 11:52:31 AM »
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Given the chance, this is probably what I would ask Lindelof:

"Do you know how great the Lost finale actually is? Do you realize how deeply, thoroughly, genuinely satisfying it was for many, many Lost fans? Can I give you a hug?"

But if you don't feel comfortable saying that on my behalf... I would ask what it's like grappling with the supernatural in The Leftovers. It seems like he enjoys pushing up against those boundaries of what can be rationally explained. And occasionally The Leftovers seems to cross that line. How does he approach that?
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« Reply #1944 on: April 08, 2017, 12:12:08 PM »
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That's a good question about The Leftovers! I was worried that they would cross a line in season 2 but it worked. I don't know how. It just did.

And if they give me a mic I'll also say how satisfying the Lost finale is for many fans.
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Re: Lost (spoilers)
« Reply #1945 on: April 08, 2017, 12:30:19 PM »
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And if they give me a mic I'll also say how satisfying the Lost finale is for many fans.

and then tag it with "But for most, it was just as infuriating as The Leftovers is and how do you sleep at night knowing that people keep watching The Leftovers even though we know it stinks?"

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Re: Lost (spoilers)
« Reply #1946 on: April 08, 2017, 12:33:00 PM »
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I do hate the Lost finale (I mean, the issue is the whole last season for me) but I love The Leftovers! I can't be the voice of all viewers!
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« Reply #1947 on: April 08, 2017, 01:13:57 PM »
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I also hate Lost finale, love Leftovers. I'm pretty sure RK is the first person I've ever heard express dissatisfaction with The Leftovers.
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Re: Lost (spoilers)
« Reply #1948 on: April 08, 2017, 01:30:05 PM »
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I'm pretty sure RK is the first person I've ever heard express dissatisfaction with The Leftovers.

I know plenty of people that also dislike The Leftovers, but here's the deal, I'm still going to finish watching it.
The last episode of last season cemented that this is more Lost to come and it was infuriating and I threw my hands into the air and yelled "That's it! I'm out!", but here I am, ready for season three.

 

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