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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #165 on: May 01, 2015, 10:01:01 PM »
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i'm looking forward to watching it again, because now that the pynchon chat has faded and the excitement of a new release has faded and all that, my particular interest is pta having created a movie narrative without a direct center, which i think scrambles people's ideas about what a movie should be in such a way that indeed the audience was largely scrambled by this movie

i think that's very exciting and every bit a part of the most interesting cinema that's currently happening, i also think it's a progressive part of a narrative technique that pta began to install in p-dl, intensified in the master, and reached its furthest point here. in terms of disrobing the illusions of narrative that have persisted through stories for so long, and certainly through big-budget movies which try to spread as wide as they can, i admire and respect the disrobing that took place within this movie

watching iv is more than ever like panning for gold in pta land, and since i've already before made the comparison between people describing this movie sounding exactly like larry within the movie, i'd instead like to provide an allegorical video of the way pta might feel having made this movie (he's the dancing person):

"I must whisper it to you—not because Im ashamed but because it is so Dear to me that I must keep it close to me by whispering—"

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #166 on: May 01, 2015, 10:30:25 PM »
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my particular interest is pta having created a movie narrative without a direct center, which i think scrambles people's ideas about what a movie should be in such a way that indeed the audience was largely scrambled by this movie

i think that's very exciting and every bit a part of the most interesting cinema that's currently happening, i also think it's a progressive part of a narrative technique that pta began to install in p-dl, intensified in the master, and reached its furthest point here. in terms of disrobing the illusions of narrative that have persisted through stories for so long, and certainly through big-budget movies which try to spread as wide as they can, i admire and respect the disrobing that took place within this movie

So well put.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #167 on: May 02, 2015, 11:29:28 AM »
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I kind of wish there was an extended or "mini-series" type cut of the film with some of this footage in it, if only because those were sick moments in the book that I'd wish seen come to life in the full narrative. But screw it.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #168 on: May 13, 2015, 02:55:22 PM »
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What happened to that behind the scenes film that was to be shot on 16mm by the girl director who P.T Anderson praised earlier??

I have to say i was extremely disappointed by Inherent Vice. I can try to understand why he excised the Vegas sequence but that was such a fun/pivotal part of the book, I wanted to see that lame pimp get his white suit stained, and the Mustache cup, Bigfoots wire collection, Sportello's parents, the songs that Pynchon wrote, the local surf legend, Doc visiting the paranoid black guy. This was a real failure, thinking about it. Also what happened to the 16mm footage that was recorded at the chick planet, and FRITZ!?

Kat Waterson was great as was Short. I love JP but he was too old for his movie, Doc is like in his late 20s and Del Toro whom I love was way too old..

Funny thing I was reading Vineland and that strikes me as more of  a P.T Anderson movie, in the book ( I haven't finished it ) the main character drives his car through local businesses and I thought about Macy driving his car through the deli in Magnolia.Also in that book there is a character who is apart of a radical film collective called 24 F.P.S but overall its very similar to IV, there are a few Narc characters, and stoners, and other eccentrics. One last thing that would have been cool: to have Zoyd in the Inherent Vice movie, since he lived @ Manhattan Beach and was a stoner it would be cool to have him run into Doc.

In terms of cinematography 1:85 aspect ratio does not seem to suit IV, his best work is shot Anamorphic. A lot of people think the master was shot on 65 but it was actually shot mostly on 35mm and some scenes 65mm like Nolan does. I hope he goes back to his Panavision Anamorphic lenses.

Ultimately, I love P.T Anderson but i have to be honest with myself. I wonder what y'all think? I hope he stays away from adapting because I really enjoy his original screenplays.

The atmosphere in Hollywood is a bit disconcerting, everything is PG-13, and a tent pole movie, every movie has to have a built in audience already to ensure a box office so that is why comic book movies, book adaptions, and re makes are so prevalent. No more than ever we need P.T Anderson original scripts!

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #169 on: May 13, 2015, 02:59:41 PM »
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Also why didnt Paul include the whole genesis of Larry Sportello's nickname Doc, which was so cool, and I am on board with the folks who wanted to too see the acid trip with Bugs Bunny! THE MOVIE WAS SHOT @ Warner Bros, missed opportunity.

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« Reply #170 on: May 13, 2015, 03:04:59 PM »
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Welcome!

And yes, overall, this is the most mixed we've ever been about a PTA movie. My own mixed/disappointed review is here.

I have to be honest too and say I don't really have a desire to revisit the movie even for the parts I did like. Inherent Vice and Nymphomaniac coming in the same year was a little disillusioning.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #171 on: May 13, 2015, 03:25:21 PM »
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Yeah Tier hasn't made anything really well in a while.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #172 on: May 13, 2015, 09:22:08 PM »
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I may be swallowing the kool-aid to some extent, but I've watched the film upwards of ten times (yikes) between theater and blu, and it might be my second favorite of his at this point. I'm not sure I buy it working as a detective flick, similarly to how The Master didn't work as a scientology expose, but boy oh boy do I buy the tone of the thing. I want to crawl inside it. I think the reason I've gone back to it over and over again is because of the mystery the tone implies is waiting to be solved just under the fog of it all. Does it earn it? No idea/maybe not, but I can't remember a movie that will keep me looking for whatever 'it' is as long as this one will. It put me in a trance. The long takes, the music, the constant cloud of menace and coming storm.

One of my favorite things about mushrooms was the moments where an old girlfriend, or friend/loved one, popped into the brain and stayed there while I just felt stuff about them. Not memories of stories or anything, just really potent emotional currency that was thick with love and maybe longing. Long, cheeseball way of saying that's really similar to the feeling I experience with this movie. It's the tonal representation of all those feelings of acute absence in my life of someone I've loved at some point. It's not that the story of Doc and Shasta moves me all that much on the surface, but rather, Anderson achieved that end solely through the perfection of the tonal language he began with Punch Drunk Love. Like I said, maybe I've drank the kool-aid. I understand how this one might not work for a lot of people, but I've never seen a movie that made me feel the way Vice did and I'm finding it to be something worth returning to over and over.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #173 on: May 13, 2015, 09:34:09 PM »
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Here are some movies to watch that I think would make a good program with IV:

Dusty Sweets and McGee--great film - kinda of hard to watch/// Floyd Mutrux is perhaps one of the most interesting unspoken and unsung filmmakers working in the 70s and 80s.. I love his cinematography, I believe the great Owen Reismen shot a lot of his movies..His films have that California Soul, not that I would know about that since I am a New Yorker but i feel it when i watch his movies, check out Aloha Bobby Rose, both of these movies have great pop soundtracks that did not feel forced! There is a sequence in Dusty Sweets and McGee that is just the AMAZING, it involves this young junkie couple shooting up post eggs and bacon or pre, don't remember to the sounds of Blues Image - Ride Captain Ride.
The Glory Stompers/ Hells Angels on Wheels( real Hells Angles in the movie + Adam Rourke and Jack Nicolson/ Born Losers/ The Devil's Angels ( I like this, its got a fun mood plus you can't go wrong with John Cassavettes playing a biker. ( This lot of movies recently played on TCM, I DVR'd all of them except Born Losers. I plan to get stoned and really watch these.
Dealing: an interesting movie with Barbra hershey and John Lithgow about this Bostonians slinging weed, cool movie.
Cisco Pike: Kris K, Karen Black, Gene Hackman is like a Bigfoot esque character, there is also Harry Dean Stanton!
There is an amazing scene in the movie Night Moves that is so eeriely like one in the book Inherent Vice, its the scene were this puss hound is dancing with some chick in a bar and fight ensues just like that scene in IV were the puss hound dances with random chicks and fucks one in the bathroom, the girl Doc brings with him


I think the best scene for me in IV was the scene with Michelle Sinclair and J.P getting high with the n02, loved that and in that scene Paul showed the world that he can muster a great and tantazling performance from an actress who does not get much opportunities to show her dramatic/ comedic chops. I hope Michelle Sinclair gets more work outside of porn because she is fantastic in ways that Shasha Grey is not( she was a bit like Nas in Belly, wooden and ultimately borning, I blame it on the piff)


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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #174 on: May 13, 2015, 09:38:17 PM »
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The best movie to watch stoned from Paul's filmography thus far is Punch Drunk Love, Inherent Vice is not fun to watch stoned, neither is Enter The Void, which I don't get why people say it has to been seen high. You know whats a great movie to watch stoned? Antonio Das Mortes! Look for this movie and trust me you will be in for a fucking treat if you watch high or sober!

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #175 on: May 13, 2015, 09:45:31 PM »
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Here are some movies to watch that I think would make a good program with IV:

Dusty Sweets and McGee

I've seen this, via the Warner Archive DVD, and I'm with you. Good call, and welcome to the forum






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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #176 on: November 27, 2015, 06:26:00 AM »
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Thought this was an interesting podcast discussion, made me think about some scenes in new ways

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #177 on: December 07, 2015, 09:28:10 AM »
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so......................has anyone seen Yi Yi?

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #178 on: December 07, 2015, 10:38:08 AM »
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so......................has anyone seen Yi Yi?

yeah of course but how's that related
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #179 on: December 07, 2015, 02:08:53 PM »
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSpTnzQQ_ZQ&t=53m27s

sukiyaki!

its a popular song.
I donnoo...just really interested in the films he might have been pulling from or musical references

 

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