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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2014, 07:40:20 PM »
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yeah please tell me the plot hole cause i feel stupid


I thought the plothole was the kid. I didn't get why she was unblocked when the ex died, but maybe I missed a bit of dialogue explaining it.


Brooker's 2014 Wipe aired earlier tonight, it was a fun irreverent watch as ever. Featured an exclusive short film by Adam Curtis! A really good one too. It'll all show up on youtube soon enough. In the meantime, here's last years featuring Doug Stanhope;

(warning; may be excessively British in its content to point of incomprehension)



edit: and here's the 2014 wipe with the Adam Curtis short. That was quick.



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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #16 on: August 16, 2015, 01:58:37 AM »
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I just watched "15 Million Merits" for the first time last night.  These sort of reductio ad absurdum science fiction stories have a tendency to fall back on easy allegory ("In Time", "Gamer", "Idiocracy"), but this one manages to avoid that, it creates a world that feels more like a legitimate continuation of our own than simply a comment on it.  It's also the bleakest story I've seen since "Dancer in the Dark", which earns it a big thumbs up from me.

Just watched "15 Million Merits" and it destroyed me. This has to be one of the sharpest dystopian stories ever. Don't want to spoil much here, so I'll just agree with you wholeheartedly and say it's a must-watch.

The first episode was also brilliant. I feel like this show was designed for me. I definitely put it off for too long. Does it stay consistent?


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"We medicate against that" — Most chilling line of "15 Million Merits"? The compliance milk is so unsettling too. (And makes it more poignant/heartbreaking when Bing makes his decision not under the influence.) I think this is going to be in my nightmares: "Resume viewing. Resume viewing. Resume viewing."
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #17 on: August 16, 2015, 11:32:53 AM »
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #18 on: August 16, 2015, 05:25:44 PM »
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15 Millions Merits is the only episode I like from this show with the 2X01. I can't stand the rest.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #19 on: August 16, 2015, 05:37:04 PM »
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i had forgotten about The Waldo Moment. i stand corrected.


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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #20 on: August 16, 2015, 09:08:37 PM »
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The first season is great, all three of them. The second season is spotty: "Be Right Back" is fantastic, probably my second favorite episode overall, "White Bear" is interesting, ugly, and dark as fuck, and "The Waldo Moment" is pretty much terrible. I haven't seen the Christmas special yet for some reason.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #21 on: August 16, 2015, 11:34:21 PM »
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Good to hear. I'll watch all of them for sure.

Watched "The Entire History of You" tonight. (SPOILERS) It's a lot smarter than it seems in the first 15 minutes, so much groundwork is being laid constantly. The rest of the episode is this sort of mindblowing meticulous construction of a deconstruction. Also I found myself switching sides back and forth through the whole thing... that was so carefully and cleverly done.

I'd like to see what they could do with a feature film, say 2 1/2 hours and a very large budget.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #22 on: August 17, 2015, 04:37:27 PM »
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Peaked with the first episode IMO, though the Christmas Special was pretty good.

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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #23 on: August 19, 2015, 12:11:11 AM »
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I just watched "White Bear" and my brain has been burnt to a crisp. This is not only my favorite episode of the show, but one of the most brilliant things I've ever seen. :shock:

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I haven't even fully absorbed the intended emotion of the episode yet, because I was so delighted and overstimulated by everything. This is definitely one I'll be re-watching.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #24 on: August 19, 2015, 11:25:43 AM »
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I'm still obsessing about "White Bear" the next day. I am giddy every time I think about it. This and "15 Million Merits" are among the only things I've watched on TV that have approached the effect of a LVT or Lynch film... that feeling of being assaulted and delighted that lingers for days.

Here's what Charlie Brooker wrote about "White Bear" for an interview. Moderate spoilers:


http://www.channel4.com/programmes/black-mirror/articles/all/charlie-brooker-interview

The first series of Black Mirror featured three stories which were pretty much different genres (political thriller / dystopian sci-fi / relationship crisis), although they all shared a similar tone and sensibility. We're doing that again this year. If Be Right Back is a romance (of sorts), then White Bear is an apocalyptic thriller.

A young woman wakes up, apparently following some kind of suicide attempt, unable to remember her own name. She stumbles outside looking for help, but no-one will even speak to her. Instead they all stand around filming her on their mobiles. Then a man with a shotgun appears and gives chase - and the crowd continues to film, as if idly watching a sporting event.

I was thinking of the ubiquity of camera phones here. The audience at any gig is a sea of little blue lights. During the riots over student fees, there were scenes on the news where you'd have one person smashing in the window of a bank while 50 people filmed it on their phones. During the Libyan uprising you could see people walking around filming the aftermath of attacks, almost like tourists. When Gaddafi's body lay on display for a couple of days, people crowded round it with their phones out. It all looked pretty nightmarish. Almost like a zombie movie, I thought.

And then I thought, what if rather than a zombie movie, you had a story in which 90% of the population just became emotionless voyeurs. They'd just film whatever was happening in front of them, especially if it was horrible. What would happen to the remaining 10%? Some of them would go nuts and start doing terrible things to amuse the ‘audience'. White Bear explores that nightmare -- and then hopefully creates a new one.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #25 on: August 20, 2015, 02:15:36 PM »
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I recommended this to my dad, since he's a big Twilight Zone fan and is generally dystopian-minded. He texted me this: "Watching Black Mirror. You're right. It's amazing."

I told him not to watch more than one per day. His response: "Sorry, I can't help it."

Moral of the story, everyone recommend this to your dads.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #26 on: August 22, 2015, 01:19:47 AM »
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After some thought, here's my ranking...

1. White Bear
2. Fifteen Million Merits
3. The National Anthem
4. The Entire History of You
5. Be Right Back
6. White Christmas
7. The Waldo Moment


"White Bear" and "Fifteen Million Merits" are unmitigated masterpieces, and I will return to them for years to come. The next four I loved. I'm sure my various affection levels for them will shift slightly upon rewatch, but they're all great.

It's probably best that we don't talk about "Waldo." But I guess I will, for a moment (with spoilers). It's sufficiently poignant and depressing, with a suitably painful ending, but it's still so profoundly ill-conceived. There's a moment when Jamie is embarrassed by Waldo's political rant and regrets not having been funny, but the problem is, Waldo was never funny at any point. To muddle things further, Jamie, and I think the script itself, acknowledge that Waldo is kind of dumb and terrible in general. So what's the point? This story has no idea where it's going. There are arcs and straight lines that lead nowhere and just kind of collide into sad mush.

SEVERE SPOILERS for White Christmas

Really liked White Christmas...

I think I predicted the girl's suicide wish and the confession way earlier than I was supposed to. I rarely predict things like that... Either my Black Mirror sense was activated, or those twists were overly telegraphed. However, the Asian twist was absolutely brilliant and came out of nowhere for me.

There were a bunch of other fun little reveals, like the fact that John Hamm was omitting details of the botched date not really to hide them from his supposed co-worker, but because he was embarrassed to repeat them to the people in the room.

And then, in true Black Mirror fashion, in turns out that all tangents were 100% relevant and would come into play in delightful and surprising ways. If only more movies and TV shows cared as much.

I didn't buy that a "cookie" could replicate one's consciousness, for many reasons. I just kind of had to go with it.

As Garam said, the imagery of being blocked was probably the highlight of the episode. Reminds you just how visual this show is. The things that linger and haunt me from each episode tend to be visual.

I thought the plothole was the kid. I didn't get why she was unblocked when the ex died, but maybe I missed a bit of dialogue explaining it.

They say a block "extends to offspring." It extends the wife's block to her daughter, but doesn't duplicate it. So when that (single) block is nullified, so is the extension. It's software logic, which I absolutely buy in this universe.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2015, 11:50:53 PM »
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*gasp*

See, my belated interest was actually a premonition!

I would like at least 7 more episodes please.
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Re: Charlie Brooker's "Black Mirror"
« Reply #29 on: September 21, 2015, 08:37:41 AM »
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Turns out this show is more prescient than we realise.


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