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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #135 on: April 03, 2013, 11:52:01 PM »
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Damn it, I've actually seen that PTA one too.
me too man....fuck. fell for that for a second  :bravo: :violin: :finger:

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« Reply #136 on: April 04, 2013, 12:27:37 AM »
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I was really afraid the giant old-man hand was going to give it away.


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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #137 on: April 04, 2013, 02:55:05 AM »
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Unpredicted Prediction time:

This film will be closer to Punch Drunk Love than Boogie Nights.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #138 on: April 04, 2013, 04:37:36 AM »
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that's an easy prediction to make.

if this is anything like Boogie Nights then you can put a fork in him, he's fucking done. boogie nights is amateur hour compared to what he's doing now. if he went back to that era in any way beyond a slight nod then we would be witnessing the decline and creative stagnation of a once great artist.

people who either wish he'd go back to an older aesthetic or can even conceive of such a thing happening have absolutely no idea what the hell PTA is doing. this isn't like David Lynch who has gone off the rails and urgently NEEDS to be reeled back to a former coherent space where his films actually made sense (it seems ridiculous to say, but compared to the mess that was INLAND CHUMPIRE, mully d feels like a beautiful children's book.)

No, this is someone who is progressing exponentially into unexplored realms of his own ability. fuck boogie nights, it's the best movie a 27 year old PTA could have made and it's a masterpiece that is still better than 95% of anything made my anyone else.. but this is two decades later, he could fart something better than boogie nights in his sleep.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #139 on: April 04, 2013, 04:45:37 AM »
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Damn straight. PTA's going into a completely different place, I'm of the opinion that the second half of his career destroys the first. And that's not even a diss, because the first half is damn good.

A lot of folks seem to be making the inference that the setting and the potential for a large ensemble must mean a return to a Boogie Nights kind of thing. Like I've thought about it too at some point.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #140 on: April 04, 2013, 04:58:20 AM »
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There Will Be Drugs.


what movies outside of PTA's filmography do you predict it'll be like? Ever since the speculation about RDJ starring, I haven't been able to get the image of him in 'Zodiac' out of my head. Now that he's out, it still stands as the film I most compare it to in my mind- Late 60's detective story set in California. That's the only thing I can relate it to, I've read 5 pages of the book. People who've finished it, how do you see the movie turning out without being too specific about things?

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #141 on: April 04, 2013, 06:10:25 AM »
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Small spoilers for the mood of the book



The Zodiac comparison isn't really apt, as that's intensely focused on the mystery, whilst this one isn't really concerned with it. The characters are concerned with it, but it's never really a priority of the book to tie things together and wrap things up. Thank God.

The in's and out's of the mystery are so convoluted and twisted that figuring it out really plays second fiddle to everything else. The details of the mystery is sorta being dragged like a tail behind Sportello, and both we (at least I) and him only manage to keep the most recent details of it in our heads. But in a reductive "you can never really figure out the truth"-message-y way, then I guess this and Zodiac use mystery movie tropes to sort of a similar end. But other than that I can't really see too many similarities. Same time-period, yes, but completely different environments.
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #142 on: April 04, 2013, 10:58:11 AM »
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It will be shot exactly like "Angels Live in My Town"

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #143 on: April 04, 2013, 11:34:58 AM »
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THE BIG LEBOWSKI + KISS KISS BANG BANG + THE LONG GOODBYE + ZODIAC + ALL The CHEECH And CHONG MOVIES + SOME REFERENCES TO VERY OBSCURE STONER MOVIES AND FILM NOIR + THE CAMERA WILL MOVE A LOT MORE (I HOPE).

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #144 on: April 04, 2013, 03:42:53 PM »
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The Big Lebowski + Punch Drunk Love with a dash of the first half of Chinatown. And that's not even approaching it visually.


There's so much hilarious dialogue in the book (and I'm very much aware Paul himself is a master of the stuff), I hope some of it remains intact.

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Yes, I see a little potential for Kiss Kiss Bang Bang.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #145 on: April 05, 2013, 01:08:43 AM »
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There Will Be Drugs.


what movies outside of PTA's filmography do you predict it'll be like? Ever since the speculation about RDJ starring, I haven't been able to get the image of him in 'Zodiac' out of my head. Now that he's out, it still stands as the film I most compare it to in my mind- Late 60's detective story set in California. That's the only thing I can relate it to, I've read 5 pages of the book. People who've finished it, how do you see the movie turning out without being too specific about things?

RDJ's character in Zodiac definitely reminds me of Doc.
As far as movies go: The Long Goodbye, Chinatown, The Big Sleep, Up in Smoke......not quite sure what else. After reading some interviews from The Master, its clear that PTA loves his film noir

The book is mysterious enough to make a crime thriller, yet whimsical enough to be a stoner comedy

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #146 on: April 05, 2013, 10:50:04 AM »
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After reading some interviews from The Master, its clear that PTA loves his film noir

yeah, he talked about wanting to do it in B&W early on to make it noirish and 'of the period' but decided it wouldn't fit (it wouldn't). He must've just been anxious to try a different film technique and I'm glad he discovered 70mm.

I love film noir! It's been waaay too long since I've checked out a good one. I haven't even seen 'The Big Sleep' and most of the classics. See, this is why I love PTA- With every movie he makes I'm introduced to different types of films:

Sydney- Phillip Baker Hall's body of work ( and he also suggests that Sydney is an over the hill noir character )
Boogie Nights- Classic Porn
Magnolia- Multi-Narrative Films
Punch Drunk Love- Jacques Tati
There Will Be Blood- John Huston
The Master- Cult Films ( the kind that are about cults )

and I've read enough of Inherent Vice to know that this is his stoner film noir. I have a question- has weed ever been in one of PTA's movies? I don't think it has, in Boogie Nights I'm sure there's some joint passing going on in the party scenes but it's never a focal point ( and it really shouldn't be- weed's not cinematic like coke is. ) Call me out if I'm wrong about this... I'm just excited to see PTA portraying the BEST DRUG IN THE WORLD after he's done all the worst ones to death (Nicotine, Alcohol, Cocaine, Opiates)

So again he switches the style up and if they hate then let 'em hate and watch no money pile up.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #147 on: April 05, 2013, 12:25:11 PM »
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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #148 on: April 05, 2013, 12:37:09 PM »
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We fought against the day and we won... WE WON.

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Re: INHERENT VICE
« Reply #149 on: April 05, 2013, 04:58:21 PM »
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Speaking of Tati- have you seen Playtime? That is an incredible film

Now, that's an unforgettably unique experience.

 

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