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Paul Thomas Anderson / Re: Phantom Thread - Critic's Reviews
« Last post by wilberfan on December 07, 2017, 04:11:21 PM »
I'm curious:  How many of you will avoid reading reviews before you have a chance to see the film yourself?   How many of you feel like you've already read too much about the film?

I've seen the film, and am starting to read the reviews...and feel like knowing the least about the film possible would make for a more satisfying experience.  YMMV.

[edit]  In fact, I've just decided I'm going to stop reading them until after I've seen the film a second time...
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by Drenk on December 07, 2017, 03:09:48 PM »
Nobody gives a shit. But it is silly. It is as silly as putting a short story as the best novel of the year. "But it's really well written and special and that writer has written a lot of novels!". Well? It doesn't matter because as Jenkins said we all know it is a TV show and it won't change anything. There is some disdain in it, too. It shows how embarrassed some movie critics are at loving a TV Show. It can only be noble art if it is cinema. That will probably die away soon. I mean, Les Cahiers did three covers in a few months about The Return. They wrote about it. They can write about TV too even if it's rare. Great cinematic work is being done in different mediums. That kind of Top is not serious in itself, but it is a sign that there is a tendency to refuse that fact. Which I find weird.

Cinema in itself isn't better than a TV Show. The Return showed us that. And I don't think that you can define a TV Show only as able to do more like you said, JB. I find the argument: "But you can do more than a movie because you have more hours" is absurd. You can also say that a TV Show can do less than a movie because it's shorter. It's not that. It's entirely factual. The mediums are different. More. Less. Whatever. It doesn't matter. We stay in a conflict between movies and TV...


We fear that TV is taking the place of cinema. I worry about that, too. I don't think that a great director of movies can make a great TV Show. A great novelist might not be able to write a great short story. An art form often dominates another: look, nobody gives a shit about short stories, the novel is the respected art form these days in literature. I hope we could escape these symbolics forms of domination. In literature: more people read novels than short stories or poetry, right? Even I...But these days while cinema stays what's respected the most, TV Shows are massively watched. That's why some people are trying to say: "TV is what good now!" Which is also an idiotic way to think...

That's amazing that a new cinematic medium truly became cinematic. Watching The Return, I was amazed at what TV could do. And not in a "oh, TV can be cinematic" way! I knew that. It was more about the work can...work. You can often watch The Return as a meta commentary about TV series. Yeah, Lynch, don't bullshit me about making a 18 hours movie when you clearly know what you are doing...

That Top—silly in itself, not deserving shits to give—is nonetheless a sign of what's happening nowadays concerning the...what? cinematic world? camera world? le monde des Lumières?
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by samsong on December 07, 2017, 02:25:30 PM »
can’t beleive i forgot dekalog...

we’re differentiating tv and miniseries now?!?!

doesn't listing a season of tv as a film inherently acknowledge its accomplishment as a tv series? . . . twin peaks: the return will be at the top of my best films of 2017 list, as it was the best work of image and sound to be released this year

the first bit was purely a counterpoint to your argument that putting it on a best films list “denies its accomplishments” as a tv show.  the bit about the leftovers was me being facetious.  i had hoped the shruggy guy implied that clearly enough. 

my only real dog in this fight is “who gives a shit?”  we’re all on the same page about the ways in which tv and film are different, its just a matter of being okay (or not, apparently) with other people putting a tv show on their year-end film list... i don’t really buy your “protect film” stance.  how offen does this happen that a line needs to be drawn? 



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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 02:02:21 PM »
Haha, yes. True. I think we've reached a compromise.
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by Sleepless on December 07, 2017, 01:49:26 PM »
Also, if you haven't seen a good chunk of season 2, you're really gifting yourself a much, much fuller experience.
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The Grapevine / Re: Lean on Pete
« Last post by wilder on December 07, 2017, 01:41:29 PM »


Fifteen-year-old Charley Thompson (Charlie Plummer) arrives in Portland, Oregon with his single father Ray (Travis Fimmel), both of them eager for a fresh start after a series of hard knocks. While Ray descends into personal turmoil, Charley finds acceptance and camaraderie at a local racetrack where he lands a job caring for an aging Quarter Horse named Lean On Pete. The horse’s gruff owner Del Montgomery (Steve Buscemi) and his seasoned jockey Bonnie (Chloë Sevigny) help Charley fill the void of his father’s absence—until he discovers that Pete is bound for slaughter, prompting him to take extreme measures to spare his new friend’s life. Charley and Pete head out into the great unknown, embarking on an odyssey across the new American frontier in search of a loving aunt Charley hasn’t seen in years. They experience adventure and heartbreak in equal measure, but never lose their irrepressible hope and resiliency as they pursue their dream of finding a place they can call home.
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 12:49:38 PM »
is it just awkward when i tell you that Twin Peaks: The Return worked for me without me having ever watched Season 2? if that's awkward for you or awkward for me, it's still true.

I can objectively say you missed a whole lot, yes. Arguably TPTR draws more on Fire Walk With Me, so if you saw and remember that, that might have helped. If you haven't seen Season 2 or FWWM, you're really robbing yourself of a much, much fuller experience.
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by jenkins on December 07, 2017, 12:39:03 PM »
is it just awkward when i tell you that Twin Peaks: The Return worked for me without me having ever watched Season 2? if that's awkward for you or awkward for me, it's still true.
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David Lynch / Re: The Official Twin Peaks Thread (TOTPT)
« Last post by Jeremy Blackman on December 07, 2017, 12:33:59 PM »
is each Star Wars movie a self-contained thing? is each Godfather movie a self-contained thing? what of the Lord of the Rings?

Yes, all of these examples work much better as a self-contained thing than TPTR.

I chose my words carefully: "should hopefully work as a self-contained thing" rather than "IS a self-contained thing."
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