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Title: Lost (spoilers)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 07, 2004, 01:10:26 AM
Anyone else watching this 'stranded-on-a-desert-isle' show? Every week keeps getting better. Along with "Alias," JJ Abrams really knows how to keep the cliffhangers coming (a polar bear on the island?!). The characters are really well defined, with every one of them having some secret(s).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 07, 2004, 01:59:50 AM
Yeah, it's pretty decent, though I thought the previews gave away way too much on episode three (I just sat there, waiting for the Marshall to wake up).  Terry O'Quinn better pay off huge with all that lingering they're doing...

My biggest fear is that the whole island will be a 'Rimbaldi device' with no real answers, only more cock-teasing and confusion.  But still JJ's delivering the goods, so I'll stop whining...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 07, 2004, 09:27:37 AM
Pssh. Everyone knows it's Arvil in a secret volcano control room flipping levers.

Is anyone else sensing a supernatural vibe here between the bald, soon to be Rambo guy and the young kid? Little yin/yang going on? Especially with the sudden rain stoppage.

My only fear for the show is they'll throw weird stuff out there just for the sake of it and not tie up the loose ends.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 29, 2005, 11:56:49 AM
Ok after 14 episodes I can say that JJ Abrams and the writers of this show are geniuses. By now we may think we know a lot about the characters and what is going on but the truth is that we have no fucking idea of what will happen. It keeps getting better and better and I'm fucking addicted. I also watch Smallville so it bugs me that I have to TiVo one of the shows so I can watch them both, but damn this is a good show and has everything.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: kotte on April 02, 2005, 05:08:05 PM
I am really fucking impressed by Dominic Monaghan in this. He's really shook off his Ring baggage.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 07, 2005, 04:24:58 PM
I blubbered like a baby last night. Powerful episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2005, 05:57:38 PM
It was great... its really getting more and more intense each week... only 2 episodes to go... I think the Season Finale will be really fucked up
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 07, 2005, 07:43:57 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
I blubbered like a baby last night. Powerful episode.


Yeah, I didn't cry, but I'm really, really glad they kept everything soooo simple.

Spoilers

So they show that Jack's engaged, and it could've been 'different' or 'interesting' if he left he was wife, but no. He gets married. It's that simple. And that's more jarring that he has a wife, a loved one, elsewhere. No one on the island is like that.

And then Boone could've been brought back. Jack could've cut off his leg. But no. He just dies. And that's all that needed to happen. When they keep it simple, it's so real. It's almost a novelty on the show too. They sometimes overwrite the characters' backgrounds.

I think this episode was the best written one, next to Sawyer's two episodes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 07, 2005, 10:31:39 PM
I thought it was still corny, but a lot less corny than a lot of other television shows (SPOILER: "I didn't save you... [everyone all together now]... you saved me... *sniff*"  that was pretty bad]

Quote from: Gamblor Ain'tWorthADollar
Spoilers


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he has a wife, a loved one, elsewhere. No one on the island is like that.


We don't know that... they keep revealing stuff as they go.  Something else could have happened.  He seemed pretty alone in the more recent flashback.

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And then Boone could've been brought back. Jack could've cut off his leg. But no. He just dies.


Of course his life is lost right when the child is born.  Is Boone really gone?

Also...a question about last week's episode... what did the person on the radio say right before the old plane fell?  I forget the flight number, but Boone says something like "we're the survivors of flight XX" and I thought the response was "there WERE no survivors of flight XX" and my wife thinks the person said "This IS flight XX"

This show is gonna end up like the Prisoner... it will only ask more questions... once you answer them, you lose viewers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 07, 2005, 11:32:31 PM
SPOILERS

About Boone, I totally agree. A life was lost, but a life was gained. I don't think it's a reincarnation, but it's a testament to beginnings and endings.

You're right about Jack's wife. I was assuming that stayed married until Jack went to Australia.

Also, I disagree about this being like Prisoner. The first season of this show is setting up all the questions. It's relentless in its refusal to give answers though. It's always hinting at something. I think the answer will be a huge payoff that will bring more viewers. I think it would be perfect to actually round out this series, after a season or two, and have the people leave the island. Like a loooong movie, beginning, middle and end. All the answers will be refreshing, because there are secrets that the characters are uncovering along with the audience.

And the radio said "There were no survivors on flight Oceania 815" or something like that, I believe.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 08, 2005, 12:40:15 AM
The thing about it is that they can start revealing some questions... but think of HOW MANY questions...

- The Frenchwoman?
- Where the hell did Ethan come from?
- What the hell happens after they turn on that light (the episode before)
- The Monster?
- The numbers that brought the Frenchwoman and Hurley (printed on the door).
- More connections between the characters (Sawyer and Jack, Kate and Sawyer, etc.)

I'm probably forgetting some important ones... but its just there is so much going on that its impossible for them to reveal all the answers so fast... this is why its a good show also and everyone is hooked... nobody is trying to solve a mystery... but many... and more appear every episode!

The trailer for the Next Episode and the 2 Hour Season Finale seemed very intense... I hate to think they will end it with an incredible cliffhanger and we'll have to wait four months to know what the fuck happens...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 08, 2005, 12:53:20 AM
Lost: The Complete First Season hits DVD on 9/6 (SRP $59.99), featuring "five hours of bonus material, including the original pilot, behind-the-scenes footage of the making of the show; audio commentaries, a blooper reel, roundtable discussions with cast and crew, and a Matthew Fox photography featurette."

(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B00005JNOG.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 09, 2005, 03:24:47 PM
*SPOILERS*








Is Boone gone for good?
Sure, the character died. But that hasn't killed speculation he might return. "Lost" actor Ian Somerhalder won't say. Source: Los Angeles Times

Ian Somerhalder is keeping tight-lipped about the true fate of his character Boone on ABC's hit series, "Lost."

Despite the heroic efforts of Jack (Matthew Fox), Boone died in Wednesday's episode from injuries he suffered when a wrecked plane he was crawling around in slipped from a tall tree and fell to the ground.

"I am hoping that I will [return]," Somerhalder said in a phone interview Friday morning from his home in Oahu, Hawaii, where the series is filmed. "I am not sure that I am, but again it's that really cheesy cliché thing — it's 'Lost,' so you truly never know."

Boone was the first major character to be killed off the show, which revolves around a group of plane-crash survivors stranded on a mysterious South Pacific island. Somerhalder, 26, said all the series' regulars were told there was a chance their character could die during the course of the season.

"We are on this island that is the most dangerous place," said the former model. "It would be illogical if there weren't casualties, and the cold hard reality is that people are going to die."

But Somerhalder isn't headed for the unemployment lines anytime soon. He recently signed a deal with ABC/Touchstone.

"It is for a couple of things," he said. "A one-hour drama most definitely."

Somerhalder is also heading off to South Africa next week for a movie called "The Breed."

The blond, blue-eyed actor, previously seen in the 2000 WB series "Young Americans" and 2002 feature "The Rules of Attraction," learned on Jan. 24 that Boone was going to meet his maker.

"Actually, I only remember that [date] because it was right after the Golden Globes," he said, laughing. "I was in the wine country wine tasting when I found out, which made it a little easier."

But Somerhalder said he wasn't really upset about the demise of his character.

"I didn't even think about it," he said. "That is one of those things. It was more about, 'Shoot. I am going to have to leave Hawaii and leave this group of people I adore.' "

The actor admitted he was scared when it came time to shoot his death scene. "You are so worried to make it correct. I was frightened of it, but we got through it. Foxy [Matthew Fox] is the best actor I ever worked with, and I have worked with some really amazing people."

Websites and publications have been questioning whether Boone might pop up on subsequent episodes, but mum's the word from Somerhalder.

He's just moving forward, hoping to produce his own film projects through his company, Journey's End Films.

"Once things calm down there are a couple of scripts, one in particular which I can't wait to do," he said.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 25, 2005, 09:21:29 PM
BLAH BLAH SPOILERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






SO. The season finale.

Good lord, they have barely answered anything. Are these guys pirates? Where's that ladder go? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. It will take all of season 2 to figure these questions out. But I will still watch because it's a great show. I love the histories and backstories. Hurley's adventure getting to the plane was great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 27, 2005, 04:21:31 PM
Quote from: Gamblor Posts Drunk
Are these guys pirates?


****SPOILERS***



i have a feeling the guys who took Walt are the same people Danielle was going to meet at the black smoke, "the others" she's always referring to...  the blond haired girl that was in the cabin is prolly her daughter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 27, 2005, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: Jay Tee Em
****SPOILERS***



i have a feeling the guys who took Walt are the same people Danielle was going to meet at the black smoke, "the others" she's always referring to...


I thought that was pretty obvious.  She said "but they said they were coming for the boy", which made the viewer say "oh my" because you knew it was going to be Walt.

as far as "where does the ladder go?", the answer is "nowhere".  The reveal showed that the ladder stops way before the bottom of whatever's in that hatch.

I like it when they leave characters in a life-threatening situation at the end of the season.  It's obvious that they're trying to figure out whether they want to keep those actors/characters.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 27, 2005, 08:12:33 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate

I thought that was pretty obvious.  She said "but they said they were coming for the boy", which made the viewer say "oh my" because you knew it was going to be Walt.


what put doubt in my mind was the fact that they had a boat.  i assumed "the others" were the survivors from Danielle's crew and they went crazy or sumpthin. where'd the boat come from? i guess we'll find out next season.

Quote from: RegularKarate
I like it when they leave characters in a life-threatening situation at the end of the season.  It's obvious that they're trying to figure out whether they want to keep those actors/characters.


there's no way they'll kill Sawyer off, his character is just too great.  besides, it looked like he was just shot in the arm.  they just needed a reason to get the gun away from him so Walt could be kidnapped..... if you were referring to all of them, they'll put the fire out and repair the boat, no sweat.



my predictions for next season:

-the guys on the raft will put 2 and 2 together and figure out it was "the others" that kidnapped Walt and return to the island.
-they will find survivors from the tail of the plane, one of them being Michelle Rodriguez who will hook up with Jack.
-Kate and Sawyer will bang.
-Jack will die.
-just kiddin about Jack.
-Boone will return as some sort of apparition that only Shannon can see and may or may not just be in her head.
-"the others" will kill Danielle.
-Locke will turn into a full fledged villain.
-Hurley's fat ass won't lose any weight.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 29, 2005, 12:01:39 AM
The numbers is still the most intriging question for me...

As far as the characters... I think they will all be back... I think I heard JJ Abrams saying something about that, but also the show is very successful as it is and its not that you see any of the characters heading to a new show or anything... so I guess they'll be back at least for a while

Damn its amazing how after 25 episodes they kept so many things... like the freakin monster in the first episode is still a mystery...

Oh well... 4 months to see what happens next
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: jtm on May 29, 2005, 01:24:46 AM
Quote from: andykal
As far as the characters... I think they will all be back... I think I heard JJ Abrams saying something about that


yeah but he also said most of the questions people had will be answered in the finale.  that was obviously a crock of shit.

Quote from: andykal
Damn its amazing how after 25 episodes they kept so many things... like the freakin monster in the first episode is still a mystery...


what to you mean?  now we know the monster may or may not be a puff of poorly cgi'd black smoke. :yabbse-tongue:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 29, 2005, 10:40:26 AM
There has been talk on other boards that the black puff of smoke is nanobots, there is a .gif from the pilot that shows this black puff exploding one of the jet engines, so it seems that the creators like Crichtons book Prey
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on July 20, 2005, 10:40:29 AM
Check out the new season 1 promo from the UK:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/

Directed by David LaChapelle

Kinda weird but I like it and there is another one here with portishead music:

http://trent.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 20, 2005, 02:25:04 PM
Quote from: EEz28
so it seems that the creators like Crichtons book Prey


Let's not go crazy... nobody liked Crichton's book, "Prey".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 26, 2005, 04:07:21 AM
can u believe the first season JUST finished last nite over here? i hear the next season is starting like in a couple weeks over there! i will definitely be stealing it this time.

the polar bear was answered inasmuch as Walt imagined it and it happened. i didn't like the ending, it was disappointing, as has been said to death nothing was revealed. but also it was the worst written and worst acted episode of the whole series. if they'd started the show on that note, i would never have watched.

i know americans are famously useless at discerning accents, but whoever hired those stupid actors in the airport to sound australian must be SHOT IN THE NUTS. omg, "dee yee went me to weigh u, deee?" they were horrible even for KIWI accents. the only featured extra who didn't make me laugh my ass off was the guy who told hurly "back o' the loyne". u know what a real australian accent sounds like, right? it sounds like Clare! so it's not like they hav no idea. jesus that was the first thing that sucked.

secondly, still showing us backstory on the day of the flight in the last episode? wtf. we get it, their lives intertwined. they could've revealed so much more but then it wouldn't hav been a cliffhanger. then a 15min slow motion montage. hahah, come on. worst written episode ever. hurly just repeating like a dumb idiot "the numbers are bad the numbers are bad the numbers are bad!" yeah that's gonna stop locke!

setting up that Jack is going to go against Locke in the next season "i got ur back", was laughable. and i'm speaking as sumone who LOVES this show! ok enuff exclamations, i was just expecting to be given a little more credit. what else, the only bad acting that looked decent was michael's desperation when walt got taken.

so yeah as mentioned before, the ppl on the boat are some of 'the others', they're probably living inside the island sumhow, that's where the tunnel goes. no idea what the hell the smoke was, or what the numbers mean, but they did enter gate 23 and that meant sumthing to kate, maybe the other numbers mean sumthing to jack, locke, etc.

still, the best new show of the year, the hottest female cast of any show.. annnnd it owns us all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 26, 2005, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
worst acted episode of the whole series.


That trend will continue now that Michelle Rodriguez is a regular on the show.

Quote from: Pubrick
the hottest female cast of any show..


Too bad they have to ruin it by making Michelle Rodriguez a regular on the show.

Quote from: Pubrick
so yeah as mentioned before, the ppl on the boat are some of 'the others', they're probably living inside the island sumhow, that's where the tunnel goes.


Did I mention Michelle Rodriguez will be a regular on the show? :yabbse-puke:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on August 26, 2005, 10:21:11 PM
Quote from: Pubrick
i know americans are famously useless at discerning accents, but whoever hired those stupid actors in the airport to sound australian must be SHOT IN THE NUTS. omg, "dee yee went me to weigh u, deee?" they were horrible even for KIWI accents. the only featured extra who didn't make me laugh my ass off was the guy who told hurly "back o' the loyne". u know what a real australian accent sounds like, right? it sounds like Clare! so it's not like they hav no idea. jesus that was the first thing that sucked.


That's what happens when you hire a bunch of American actors who aren't good enough to get hired for real roles, and then expect them to do accents.

In other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 27, 2005, 05:40:05 PM
Quote from: polkablues
In other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:


You know a lot of blind and deaf eunuchs.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 27, 2005, 05:46:13 PM
I'm excited about the new season... but unless they start answering some questions soon people are gonna get bored... otherwise it will be reduced to jack vs. locke (like before), charlie with his heroin (like before), and more unsolved mysteries (like before) that will make the show suck and people get lost because you dont even know what the fuck is happening to the original plot anymore
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 27, 2005, 11:13:36 PM
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Quote from: polkablues
In other news, isn't Michelle Rodriguez great?  Everyone I know thinks so.   :yabbse-thumbup:


You know a lot of blind and deaf eunuchs.

hahaha. i too hope they brought her in just to kill her off. bad casting choice unless she plays a blind and deaf eunuch herself.

imdb shows another new character being introduced, played by an african with an unpronounceable name, was he one of the dudes who took walt? u'd hav to be a major Recall Allstar to remember, but i think he was on the boat.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on August 28, 2005, 12:36:39 PM
Quote from: andyk
I'm excited about the new season... but unless they start answering some questions soon people are gonna get bored... otherwise it will be reduced to jack vs. locke (like before), charlie with his heroin (like before), and more unsolved mysteries (like before) that will make the show suck and people get lost because you dont even know what the fuck is happening to the original plot anymore



I read an article in USA today a while ago that said many questions would be answered in the very first episode with definite answers not more questions.  I guess they realized that creating a ton more questions and answering none in the final episode pissed a lot of people off.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on September 02, 2005, 10:37:26 PM
okay i am PSYCHED to start watching season 1 on tuesday, but already worried about the potential letdown in season two.  with j.j. off doing mi3, will lost suffer an alias like nosedive?  macguffin your thoughts....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 03, 2005, 07:12:38 PM
Quote from: modage
with j.j. off doing mi3, will lost suffer an alias like nosedive?  macguffin your thoughts....


I wanna read the EW cover article to get an idea of where they are taking the series, but right now I would say Lost has the better writing staff than Alias, so I have higher hopes that it will stay it's course (despite the casting of Michelle Rodriguez). Where Alias has gone wrong is that it tried something different that didn't work and then they tried to go back to basics by wiping the slate clean, but that has only made the show feel repetitive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on September 04, 2005, 12:48:29 AM
and the less said about the last season of Felicity, the better.

wow, what a borefest.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 19, 2005, 12:34:26 AM
(http://www.calendarlive.com/media/photo/2005-09/19540728.jpg)

ABC thriller 'Lost' wins Emmy for best drama

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - The popular new castaway thriller "Lost," which helped lead a ratings rebound at the ABC television network last season, won the Emmy Award on Sunday for best drama series.

The eerie episodic drama, about a group of plane crash survivors marooned on a spooky, remote island, was widely seen as sparking a new wave of high-concept, supernatural shows coming to prime time this fall. The Emmys are the U.S. TV industry's top awards.

--------------------------------------------------------------------

Backstage notes: Abrams praises 'Lost' cast

J.J. Abrams, who won the directing nod for a drama series, explained why the first season of "Lost" ended with riddles rather than resolution. "Our goal was to frustrate the hell out of you," he joked. "We tried to give the end a sense of a new chapter. ... It's an amazing thing to see this thing evolve."

As for "Lost's" success, Abrams credited the series' talented, diverse cast. "We cast actors who inspired us," he said. "As well as a script can be written or the show be directed, ultimately it's the cast that compels people to watch."
 
And with ABC, "Lost" has found a loving home, Abrams said. "(The network was) remarkably supportive of us and the show," he added. "It feels like it is where it should be." Likewise, the series' creator said Hawaii is perfect locale for his baby. "They were faster than any crew I've ever worked with," Abrams said of the island work force. "They do an amazing job."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on September 21, 2005, 09:04:04 PM
SPOILERS








1) Not much was revealed... I thought we would find more out.
2) I knew the scottish dude would be the guy from the begining
3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.
4) Still an exciting episode... I hope the others show up on the outside... I think the guy inside is a good guy and NOT working with "the others".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 21, 2005, 11:11:53 PM
This was an awesome episode. Probably the best use of the flashback so far, maybe next to any of Sawyer's stories. And I love how they made Jack look younger...just like when he was on Party of Five.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 22, 2005, 12:32:00 AM
Quote from: RegularKarate

3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.


Unless it's not the people inside that are being quarantined, but the people outside.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 22, 2005, 09:29:00 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: RegularKarate

3) Why would the INSIDE of the hatch door say "Quarantine"... they know they're quarantined, the point of the sign is usually to keep people out.


Unless it's not the people inside that are being quarantined, but the people outside.


Thats what I thought.

SPOILERS

I loved the beginning, showing the guy go through his day like anybody else. And the way they built the whole place was cool. Also I liked that they focused a lot on Jack, Kate and Locke, and the Hatch, and they didnt go into what happened to the guys at the raft yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 10:04:16 AM
SPOILERS


I have to watch the episode again but apparently the person Jack's ex-wife killed in the crash was Shannon's father.   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 22, 2005, 12:05:07 PM
I don't know what to make of this at all but i do think that the scottish guy is a good guy with some sort of super natural powers.  When Jack first met him he said the surgery was a failure and then the scottish dude was like well what if it just turned out alright?  And then it did.  How or why he ended up in a hatch on a mysterious island filled with electronics from various decades? i don't know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: Tictacbk
I don't know what to make of this at all but i do think that the scottish guy is a good guy with some sort of super natural powers.  When Jack first met him he said the surgery was a failure and then the scottish dude was like well what if it just turned out alright?  And then it did.  How or why he ended up in a hatch on a mysterious island filled with electronics from various decades? i don't know.


This is what a friend of mine posted on the Lost message board on ABC.com.



Quote from: My friend Ben
http://img384.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lostoctagon2hr.jpg

This is the logo on Desmond's jumpsuit, and his medicine cabinet, and
the computer, and several places along the walls of the hatch.  It's
tough to make out, but some of our brighter minds have discerned that
the company (as this is surely a logo) is called Dharma.

"Dharma is a cosmic principle that is difficult, if not impossible, to
define. Our Dharma is our true place in the cosmic process: in time, in
space, in awareness, in thought, deed and desire. The eternal principle
of Dharma determines the harmonious functions of the cosmic machine. In
order that we fulfil our role in the divine play we must behave within
our Dharma. That is, we ought to do the right thing, at the right time,
In the right way, and for the right reason. By this we attain balance.
To establish balance within ourselves ensures our own welfare and the
welfare of society. And opens the path prepared for us by the divine."

You can also see, in the center of what is a recreation of the I Ching
circle, a swan.  I don't think it's too far of a stretch to connect the
dots thusly:

Desmond is a representative of a group that turns spiritual "ugly
ducklings" into "swans".  And there you have it, folks, the key to the
entire series.



I think he's part right.  I think it's more that Desmond is the happy medium between Jack and Locke.  If he works for Dharma and dharma is, roughly, about balance, then I think that he is the only way that Jack and Locke are going to be able to work together.  Because the logo may look like a swan but it looks like a yin-yang as well.  And Desmond did say he was almost a doctor, so he's got the science like Jack, but got Jack thinking "what if" about Sarah being able to walk again, he has faith like Locke.  The episode's title is "Man of Science, Man of Faith."  We assumed that it was referring to Jack and Locke but now I'm positive it's referring to Desmond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 22, 2005, 04:09:51 PM
SPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 22, 2005, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: Gamblour
SPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0


It's a very cool theory.  Or it would be, if it wasn't made up out of whole cloth.  There is no such thing as Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes.  Somebody (either someone connected with the show or a fan of the show) concocted the whole thing.  Fun to read, though!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on September 22, 2005, 08:26:29 PM
Well I'll be...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 22, 2005, 09:32:13 PM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: Gamblour
SPOILERS maybe

My sister sent me a link about Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes, how we all have a twin, and how the cursed numbers on Lost hook up with them. Here's a link:
http://forums.go.com/abc/primetime/lost/thread?threadID=562343&forumStart=0


It's a very cool theory.  Or it would be, if it wasn't made up out of whole cloth.  There is no such thing as Rousseau's theory of mirrored genes.  Somebody (either someone connected with the show or a fan of the show) concocted the whole thing.  Fun to read, though!


That's disappointing.  First Walken isn't running for president, now this shit!   :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 22, 2005, 10:22:31 PM
If you Google any of those things you realize its bullshit... but its still very interesting if its somehow connected to the show...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 28, 2005, 09:45:12 PM
Boo episodes doubling back on themselves...


Hooray for sharks.


These last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on September 28, 2005, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: Tictacbk
Boo episodes doubling back on themselves...


This was my favorite element of it... I was really pleased that we haven't hardly moved past the end of episode one.  In fact I see them doing this in the next episode too, as long as they don't take it to far, I'd dig it.

anyone notice the tail of the shark?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on September 28, 2005, 09:59:37 PM
spoiler i guess....



hell yea i noticed the tail of the shark with that symbol or something  close to that symbol that was all over the hatch.  What do you think that countdown was?  And who was Desmond waiting for?  And who is sick? and what did one snowman say to the other snowman?


man i like this episode more and more by the minute.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on September 28, 2005, 11:17:55 PM
Well, that sickness desmond is talking about is probably what rousseau was talking about when she said her group all got sick and started dying.

i totally missed that symbol on the shark tail, but then to me the whole episode was really dark, probably just the tv

That countdown thing was really creepy, 108, which by the way is the sum of the numbers

Good start to the season overall
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2005, 12:12:35 AM
Quote from: Tictacbk
and what did one snowman say to the other snowman?


Do you smell carrots?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on September 29, 2005, 01:13:57 PM
Quote from: Tictacbk
These last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.


Along with next week's episode, it would have made an even sweeter 3 hour long premiere.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 29, 2005, 05:57:34 PM
Quote from: hacksparrow
Quote from: Tictacbk
These last two episodes would've made a sweet 2 hour long premiere.


Along with next week's episode, it would have made an even sweeter 3 hour long premiere.


Maybe show the whole season in back to back episodes... that would be nice... if not just think that the season will last until May... thats 20 more episodes in more than 6 months!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on September 29, 2005, 08:49:32 PM
Here's what the numbers mean:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47743274/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on September 29, 2005, 09:01:47 PM
Quote from: edison
Here's what the numbers mean:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sh/47743274/


Maybe that's what they mean, but what do they mean?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 29, 2005, 09:55:38 PM
Wow... how they came up with all this is incredible... I love this show

I saw the shark tale too... its too much... I want some damn answers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 01, 2005, 01:24:07 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: Tictacbk
Boo episodes doubling back on themselves...


This was my favorite element of it... I was really pleased that we haven't hardly moved past the end of episode one.  In fact I see them doing this in the next episode too, as long as they don't take it to far, I'd dig it.

anyone notice the tail of the shark?


I agree, I absolutely loved that we got to see the same stuff from different perspectives. I mean, the show moved slow enough last season, at least they're making it interesting with varying perspectives. and we still get more information instead of just one collective getting the same information at once.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 01, 2005, 01:27:53 PM
i just finished season one last night.  watched the 2 fromt his season today and now i'm caught up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 02, 2005, 12:40:14 AM
http://homepage.mac.com/mprieve/.Public/lost.mpg

A promo for Lost for the UK, directed by David LaChappelle.  Quite odd and wonderful.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 02, 2005, 01:50:11 AM
Quote from: edison in July
Check out the new season 1 promo from the UK:

http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/L/lost/

Directed by David LaChapelle

Kinda weird but I like it and there is another one here with portishead music:

http://trent.blogspot.com/


A little late on that one bud
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 05, 2005, 09:42:26 PM
Hmm, I can't believe I'm saying this but I wish they held back on some of the info they gave. It was like three episodes worth. I mean, I guess I can't complain, I got some answer, but I like it divvied out in smaller bits.

SPOILERS:


Desmond's a great character, hope he sticks around longer.

I can't believe they showed Jin speaking english in next week's episode. First of all, that's a big reveal for a "next on..." clip. Secondly, WHY the fuck is he speaking english all of a sudden? Why would he hide it?

Here's my theory: So, the film explained that it's a big experiment, somewhat. I think maybe the island crashed the plane, and that the two groups of people are the experiment. One formed a pseudo-utopia, where it's not entirely hostile. The other group, the tail end of the plane, formed a very hostile group. Maybe a Lord of the Flies thing. They're polar opposite groups. I dunno, that would be a dull way to do it. But maybe it'll be cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 06, 2005, 12:21:42 AM
Quote from: Gamblour
SPOILERS





Here's my theory: So, the film explained that it's a big experiment, somewhat. I think maybe the island crashed the plane, and that the two groups of people are the experiment. One formed a pseudo-utopia, where it's not entirely hostile. The other group, the tail end of the plane, formed a very hostile group. Maybe a Lord of the Flies thing. They're polar opposite groups. I dunno, that would be a dull way to do it. But maybe it'll be cool.

Maybe they all died on the plane crash, and this is all just a crazy dream.

Yeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.

So far this season, rather than being totally absorbed, so far I'm just skeptical of how they're going to pull all this stuff off.  But either way, the character stuff is what I watch for.  I think most of the fans of the show watch because they'll follow those characters anywhere.  And it will only get crazier as it goes on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 06, 2005, 12:25:08 AM
Quote from: matt35mm
Yeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.


Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on October 06, 2005, 12:27:39 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: matt35mm
Yeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.


Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!

But if you didn't know, and you saw it on the show, it'd be tons more "what the fuck!?!?!"  Now when that moment happens on the show, it won't be surprising.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 06, 2005, 01:36:27 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Quote from: matt35mm
Yeah, they should have kept the English-speaking thing out of the commercial.


Totally disagree... that moment made me go (internally) "WHAT THE FUCK?!?!?!"  Which is what I watch this show for... even the fucking "On Next Week's Episode" has cliffhangers!



I'm with you on this one...minus the "internally"...me and everyone in the room watching it with me literally yelled something along the lines of "what the fuck!"

As for the episode...all i have to say is "what the fuck?"  They managed to flood this episode with a shitload of information on the experiment and developed Desmonds character into something lovely, but it also created a whole knew mass of confusion.  The more i know, the more i wonder "what the hell is going on" and i love it.  

So heres another question, regarding the other side of the island...the people with the cage and the clubs and whatnot who are holding sawyer, michael and jin...do you think they're "the others" or the people from the tail of the plane? or niether?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 06, 2005, 09:11:57 AM
I don't think they're the others, I think they're just the tail end people. And they're really bastardly, and eventually both groups will come together. I just hope JJ Abrams is smart and cuts this off after a few seasons and resolves it well, it could be amazingly great.

I really like how Rodriguez was used in the season finale, talking to Jack at the airport bar. When she says she's in the back of the plane, it's pretty emotional because you know she's going to die. Now they've reversed that and brought her back, and she can punch the fuck out of Sawyer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 06, 2005, 09:31:10 AM
Good episode, holy crap there was so much info

I think the other group was so hostile to the rafters because they probably had a run in with the others at some point and it didnt turn out so great: There is a spoiler around that the others... have killed most of the tail section
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 06, 2005, 10:59:09 AM
yeah, the tail ender's are not 'the others'.  and i knew michelle rodriguez was a plant in the hole to get information from them from the beginning.  and i liked her better in the bar because she was being nice and charming and not her usual routine of 'tough' chick which i felt "wow, thats great.  they're using her as an actress instead of just a 'type'", but as this episode revealed, no that was just setup to show a contrast in how she used to be and how she is now.  hopefully they will bring out both when she sees jack.  my girlfriend wonders if the crazy black guy with the spear is the black woman who 'knows her husbands still alive' husband.  and the way desmond said 'see you in the next life' REALLY goes to support the theory they're all dead or in comas or something but the creators insist that isnt the case.  so maybe it just means 'another life' like they've all gotten a chance to start over on the island here.  they're also pitting jack and locke against each other pretty hardcore lately, i liked it better when they mostly got along but i guess theres no drama in that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 06, 2005, 03:54:59 PM
Who do I blame? The characters for not knowing Michelle Rodriguez ( :yabbse-angry: = That's my impersonation of her) was an obvious plant, or the producers for hiring such an awful "actress" (note the quotation marks) that I was able to tell she was one of The Others (just going by what Jin called them).

God, I hope two polar bears maul her... and then Sawyer puts that gun up her ass and pulls the fuckin' trigger 'til it goes 'click'.



And I'm also in the camp that believes Jin speaking Engrish is a great reason to anticipate next week's episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 06, 2005, 07:27:01 PM
Rose's husband is not the black guy with the spear....and i'll leave it at that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 07, 2005, 03:19:58 AM
hmm you're no wizard of menlo park, so i'd say if you actually do know more than the rest of us for some reason, cut it with the spoilers. the idea of rambling on and on about what might be true is fun to read, but you're not doing that. you act like you're somehow in the know, which I don't trust. you are the others right now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 07, 2005, 08:29:05 AM
I also was overwhelmed after so much happening in the episode. The last two were great, but it was also moving very slowly. Now it suddenly changes completely.

It was cool also to see so many people down there, fixing the computer, trying to figure out what the hell... its awsome when you can see that the characters have the same confused look that you have.

I knew also immediately that Michelle was with them and that she didnt survive alone. I still think that, even though they can be hostile and defensive of others, it should have been a much bigger shock for her (and the others) to learn that they were all part of the same flight and that other people besides them survived.

The video also makes you think of the whole experiment... including the fricking shark with the fricking tatoo on his fricking tail.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 07, 2005, 03:19:03 PM
Quote from: Gamblour
hmm you're no wizard of menlo park, so i'd say if you actually do know more than the rest of us for some reason, cut it with the spoilers. the idea of rambling on and on about what might be true is fun to read, but you're not doing that. you act like you're somehow in the know, which I don't trust. you are the others right now.


I'm not in the know, i just dont stay from spoilers and i'm sorry for what i posted but I just find it hard to not say anything to a comment I know to be wrong

Very cute about the menlo park comment by the way
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 12, 2005, 09:10:57 PM
spoilers...
Initial reaction: I didn't like this episode much.

I'm kinda sick of the backstory linking up perfectly with the story taking place on the island.  I liked it better when they were just there to just develop the characters and fill you in on their past.  

Jin speaking english=whatafuckincopout.  I mean if you're gonna make it a dream atleast don't have it be the first scene, let me wait a little for it.  

And in the span of this episode I developed an extreme disliking for Michelle Rodriguez.  She can't act, and when she tries she's comes off as some man-looking Angelina Jolie or something.

And what the hell happened to the supernatural side of this show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 12, 2005, 11:22:04 PM
the backstory tie-in is something you'll probably have to get used to.

It makes sense to match it up... it's pretty much always matched up, but now that we've seen the characters lives we see the details.  

The supernatural side is still there...

Michelle Rodriguez always sucked, but she is ESPECIALLY annoying now... I really hate that they're going to try to do something between her and Sawyer... so annoying and predictable.  I really want Sawyer to kill her like he said.

So... the people from the tail... Canabals?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 12, 2005, 11:28:42 PM
Either cannibals or they all died of disease. Michelle Rodriguez is horrific (looking). Charlie SUCKED especially. My roommate, who doesn't watch often, was like why the fuck is this guy having immature arguments, "Dude you're just one of them" "I thought we were friends!" wah wah, Charlie sucks. And the bottle storyline, didn't really get why the Korean woman was the one to deal with it.

Episode decent, but uneven. Kate in a shower is always magnificent.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2005, 12:12:02 AM
First off, edison is forbidden to speak about future episodes.

And I'm beginning to think the hatch is based on the Simpson's episode where Homer had to vent the gas every so often.

Quote from: RegularKarate
Michelle Rodriguez always sucked, but she is ESPECIALLY annoying now... I really hate that they're going to try to do something between her and Sawyer... so annoying and predictable.  I really want Sawyer to kill her like he said.


I'm hoping Sawyer is playing possum and will break her defenses down by killing her with kindness.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 13, 2005, 12:41:44 AM
I don't think the back of the plane people are eating eachother...but i do think that a number of them has been killed by the others.

I also agree it'd be sweet if Sawyer was pulling a con on the island where he woos Rodriguez and then gets what he needs and feeds her to the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2005, 12:35:56 PM
SPOILERS FOR LOST AND FOR WOLVES OF THE CALLA

If you've read Wolves, maybe you already know what I'm suggesting here.

maybe the others come and demand a new sacrifice every now and again.

Maybe Sawyer and gang are being held to be the next sacrifices.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 13, 2005, 03:15:22 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
SPOILERS FOR LOST AND FOR WOLVES OF THE CALLA

If you've read Wolves, maybe you already know what I'm suggesting here.

maybe the others come and demand a new sacrifice every now and again.

Maybe Sawyer and gang are being held to be the next sacrifices.


DUDE!  I thought the exact same thing.  Freaky...

Spoilers-esque:
Midway through last season I had a major brainstorm in which "Lost" was really a huge crossover with Stephen King's Dark Tower series.  Specifically, the island is a hub one of the beams, the Others are followers of the Crimson King, who brought the plane down to get Walt, a powerful psychic, in order to use him as a Breaker (the whole "Dharma Initiative" might be a Breaker operation).  Of course, ka conspired to get all the other characters on the plane so they would be able to stop the whole thing.

Do I really believe this to be the case?  No.  But it would be pretty fucking cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2005, 12:29:56 AM
Alright, finally saw this just now, and i though it was ok. I think the dog is gonna dig up the bottle and cause some trouble by handing it to Jack or Locke. Backstory this time was blah, nothin much new there. Can't wait for Rose and Bernard to get together, now thats probably gonna be a tear-jerker. I think the reason the number of the other group has dwindled is because they were tortured/killed by the others or perhaps the island monster sucked them down or threw them into the trees like the pilot.

This is a pretty funny spolier pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png) from this previous episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on October 14, 2005, 12:45:13 AM
Quote from: edison
This is a pretty funny pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png)  , not a spoiler (at least to those who have seen the episode), so dont get your underoos in a bunch

i don't think u understand what a spoiler is. if someome has seen whatever ur talking about, then obviously nothing is a spoiler to them. a spoiler can only be experienced by those who are not privvy to what u are discussing/showing.

i'm not even reading this thread cos the new season hasn't started here, i've just noticed that u don't seem to understand the notion of a spoiler, a suspicion confirmed by the quote above.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 14, 2005, 08:11:10 AM
"Lost" actor, wife robbed at gunpoint in home

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - A cast member of the Emmy-winning TV series "Lost" and his wife were robbed at gunpoint in their Honolulu home, police and a spokeswoman for the actor said on Thursday.

A spokeswoman for actor     Josh Holloway confirmed that he and his wife had been robbed.

Honolulu police declined to identify Holloway but said a couple living at his property was awakened at 4:10 a.m. local time on Wednesday by a man wearing gray-and-black shirt and baseball cap holding a handgun.

Local KHON-TV reported that the robber took cash and the keys to a Mercedes-Benz car later found in the area.

Holloway, 36, plays Sawyer on ABCs top-rated show "Lost" about survivors of a plane crash trying to survive on a mysterious, uncharted Pacific Island.

"My family and I are fine and appreciate everyone's concerns and good thoughts," the actor said in a statement. "We are very grateful for the help of the Honolulu police department and the support of the local community."

The show is shooting its second season on Hawaii's Oahu.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2005, 10:12:35 AM
Quote from: Pubrick
Quote from: edison
This is a pretty funny pic (http://img417.imageshack.us/my.php?image=gotmilk4us.png)  , not a spoiler (at least to those who have seen the episode), so dont get your underoos in a bunch

i don't think u understand what a spoiler is. if someome has seen whatever ur talking about, then obviously nothing is a spoiler to them. a spoiler can only be experienced by those who are not privvy to what u are discussing/showing.

i'm not even reading this thread cos the new season hasn't started here, i've just noticed that u don't seem to understand the notion of a spoiler, a suspicion confirmed by the quote above.


Ok, so I said, that the pic is NOT a spoiler to those who have seen the episode, so that means it IS a spoiler to those who have not seen the episode. I guess ill change it to: "This is a pretty funny pic that is a spolier to those who have not seen the episode or to those who live in a place where the new season has not started yet" Is that better?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 14, 2005, 11:36:13 AM
Why didn't Sawyer just beat the shit out of the robber?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 14, 2005, 11:55:14 AM
Because its all just a big con
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 19, 2005, 09:08:52 PM
i dont know what to think about tonight's episode.  i'll let other people post and then i'll conform to your thoughts.

it was a change of pace, at the very least.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 19, 2005, 09:15:52 PM
i dont like them telling us that someone will die in 3 weeks.  i like even less that lost wont be on for 3 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 19, 2005, 09:47:13 PM
I don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.


As for tonights story...too much Sun.  Yea it was nice to learn more about her and her island/past life, but what happened to the episodes where they were about all the people on the island?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 19, 2005, 11:20:48 PM
The Koreans backstory=boring! I remember last week, when they found the bottle, it was like a who's who of characters that are boring and don't matter anymore, i.e. Claire, Shannon, and Sun. This episode was bad.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 08:28:45 AM
Quote from: Tictacbk
I don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.


I guess you missed the spoiler over at aint it cool then.

So far i've seen half of this and while the backstorys this season are becoming pointless the island stuff is keeping me hooked. I have only seen to the part when the Others cross in front of Jin and Mr. Echo and that teddy bear dragging on the ground was creepy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 20, 2005, 09:04:00 AM
Quote from: edison
Quote from: Tictacbk
I don't think anyone is going to die in 3 weeks.  They just said they'll be "lost forever."  My theory: Walt is lost forever...because he is converted to an other.


I guess you missed the spoiler over at aint it cool then.


Are you a fatuous fuck or just a stupid kid? Do you not understand any of the implications of nuance in the English language? Do you not get that when you say things like "missed the spoiler" that you are SPOILING something for Tictacbk, by telling him his assumption is wrong? He is tabula rasa with his idea of someone not dying, and then you come and say something, for whatever inane reason, that spoils and ruins the best part of this show: speculating what will happen!

MacGuffin might only have been half serious, but I am COMPLETELY serious. Ban Edison.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 09:11:14 AM
i didnt say anything about anyone dying. he made two comments (about someone dying and about walt) so it could be about either. Why is everyone such a baby about this show, its no like yall are even talking about it anyway, so Mac can do all this

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
*SPOILERS*








Is Boone gone for good?
Sure, the character died. But that hasn't killed speculation he might return. "Lost" actor Ian Somerhalder won't say. Source: Los Angeles Times

Ian Somerhalder is keeping tight-lipped about the true fate of his character Boone on ABC's hit series, "Lost."

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------

and no one gives a damn and i make some comment and its all "shut up, you'll ruin it!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 02:45:36 PM
Quote from: Gamblour
MacGuffin might only have been half serious, but I am COMPLETELY serious.


I was more than half.

Quote from: edison
so Mac can do all this


and no one gives a damn and i make some comment and its all "shut up, you'll ruin it!!"


Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode. Plus, that article was posted AFTER that episode was shown. I wasn't spoiling future episodes for everyone, only for those who haven't watched that far yet.

Quote from: edison
Why is everyone such a baby about this show


Because not knowing where the show is going is what makes it so great. You tell us what's going to happen, it ruins our involvement and the mystery for us.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 05:50:32 PM
A. I still stand by my statement that I didnt say anyone was going to die, so you can take what I said about aintitcool however you want.

2. How can yall be so "involved" in the show what all yall talk about is speculation and I have yet to read of anyone following the mythology or the neat little things they throw in (like how Jin said Orange was love and then Sun was drinking Orange juice, or how her name ties in, or how the girl in Orange hooked them up; also the tie-in websites:Hanso foundation, Mr. Clucks website) that the creators have thrown out there for us to follow.

C. I promise I'll never post on this thread again :(

4. MacGuffin:Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode.

Well I did that a few pages back and Pubrick jumped on my ass that I didnt know what a spoiler was and I posted a statement much like yours. So I guess everyone is out to get me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 06:12:40 PM
Quote from: edison
2. How can yall be so "involved" in the show what all yall talk about is speculation and I have yet to read of anyone following the mythology or the neat little things they throw in (like how Jin said Orange was love and then Sun was drinking Orange juice, or how her name ties in, or how the girl in Orange hooked them up; also the tie-in websites:Hanso foundation, Mr. Clucks website) that the creators have thrown out there for us to follow.


Just because we don't talk all the hidden bits and such, doesn't mean we don't see or know about them. Sorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website. If want to bring them up, that's fine, but what you are continuing to do is spoil future episodes.

"Involved" means speculation about the characters because we care about them. It also means we don't want things ruined for us because that surprise element is gone.

Quote from: edison
4. MacGuffin:Because I gave a fair warning that what you read below will be a Spoiler if you haven't seen that episode.

Well I did that a few pages back and Pubrick jumped on my ass that I didnt know what a spoiler was and I posted a statement much like yours. So I guess everyone is out to get me.


Umm, no. What you did was give away, without any warning, a piece of story bit for an episode that hadn't aired yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 06:35:30 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Sorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.


Oh thats right, you guys dont discuss anything in geeky detail

Quote from: MacGuffin

Just because we don't talk all the hidden bits and such, doesn't mean we don't see or know about them.


Well how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.

Quote from: MacGuffin
If want to bring them up, that's fine, but what you are continuing to do is spoil future episodes.


Like I said, I will not post anything more about the show


Quote from: MacGuffin
Umm, no. What you did was give away, without any warning, a piece of story bit for an episode that hadn't aired yet.


Umm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 20, 2005, 06:40:51 PM
look.  

speculation = fun.  :-D

spoilers = not fun. :(

the subtle but HUGE difference?  advance knowledge.  

if you dont know whats going to happen, feel free to return to this thread and guess.  if you do, dont tell us.  thats all.  no big deal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 07:12:03 PM
But do you see how this all started? I made a post about a pic that i stated was a spoiler to those who had not seen the show, then I got jumped on when for the previous 3-4 pages every other post had spoiler in bold and no one said a damn thing about it. I know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard but ever since people have been taking what im saying and twisting it, and like i said many times i didnt say anyone was dying, it was gambling man who said i did and so did you:

Quote from: Modage
i dont like them telling us that someone will die in 3 weeks


So do you know someting we dont? Because the preview didnt say someone was dying.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 07:59:04 PM
Quote from: edison
Oh thats right, you guys dont discuss anything in geeky detail.


Quote from: MacGuffin
Sorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.


Quote from: edison
Well how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.


Quote from: MacGuffin
If want to bring them up, that's fine.


Quote from: edison
Umm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.


So you totally forgot about leaking info about Rose? That's how all this started.

Quote from: edison
I know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard...


I guess you didn't. That spoiler happened BEFORE the picture posting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 08:43:21 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Sorry if we don't discuss in geeky detail things you find at a "Locke Shoots First"-type website.


The sites Im talking about are created by ABC and not some geek fan.

Quote from: edison
Well how about bringing them up, that would bring more discussion about things that really happened and less about what might happen.


Quote from: MacGuffin
If want to bring them up, that's fine.


I dont want to be the only one......especially if no one is going to respond to them.

Quote from: edison
Umm, yes. What I did was post a pic saying that it was a spoiler to those who had not seen the episode, and that was after the episode had aired.


So you totally forgot about leaking info about Rose? That's how all this started.

Quote from: edison
I know my big mistake was the comment about Bernard...


Quote from: MacGuffin
I guess you didn't. That spoiler happened BEFORE the picture posting.


Which I reedited, but when I specifically say that my post is a spoiler (such as the post about the picture) and then to be told I dont know what a spoiler is when I state that what I am posting is not a spoiler to those who had seen that nights show, and if you have your logic hat on will realize that it is in fact a spoiler to those who had NOT seen the show, well then if that is going to happen only to me then so be it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 08:52:49 PM
I wish Mom and Dad would stop fighting...

But seriously, everybody, let it go.  Read what modage wrote a few posts up, take it to heart, write it on a Post-it and stick it to your monitor if you have to, and then we will all get along with our lives.

Yes, edison, you have been misinterpreted a couple of times.  I hope that's all the validation you need to get past it, because I have the feeling that's all you are going to get.  

So please, please, please... let's move on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 20, 2005, 08:55:24 PM
After this post polkablues will be lost forever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 09:00:20 PM
Possible Spoilers

My sources tell me that in next week's episode, we'll find out that polkablues was in the back of the plane.

Was that a spoiler?  That was a spoiler, right?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 20, 2005, 09:03:16 PM
seriously...i mean lets talk about last nights episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 20, 2005, 09:08:29 PM
So Hurley's still fat...what's the deal?

The episode was just too boring for me to comment any further.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 20, 2005, 09:09:20 PM
Quote from: JimmyGator
seriously...i mean lets talk about last nights episode.


I loved it.  I'm actually happy to see them getting back to more personal stories, as opposed to the dense, fanboy mythology that we got in the first three episodes (not that I'm opposed to dense fanboy mythology, mind you).  It's great that they have the balls to base an entire episode around one of the characters having lost her wedding ring.  It's always those small catharses that are most powerful on that show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 20, 2005, 10:36:38 PM
ok, its gone now.....thanks polka

I really liked that moment when they bumped into each other, and Hurley's line about which Korea did she come from was funny.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 20, 2005, 11:27:43 PM
Yeah... I just watched it now cause I missed it last night and I was excited to come in here and see so many new posts (went from 6 pages to 8). I am now dissapointed that the two pages are pure BS about edison and his lack of understanding of the very simple instructions.

Anyhow... I liked and thought it was a very good episode overall... I did not like that they didnt show anything about any developments inside the hatch, or the shifts, etc etc... everyone was out there again. And I also want to see Desmond again soon.

The part with the 'others' walking by and the bear was creepy... and they were many too... which is more creepy.

The Korean backstory is not the most exciting and they are not the most loved characters, but its still necessary and I think it was well done.

Can believe they are already showing repeats for 3 weeks... ABC sucks
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 21, 2005, 12:15:17 AM
Quote from: andyk
I am now dissapointed that the two pages are pure BS about edison and his lack of understanding of the very simple instructions.


But it was so fun to do, wish you could have taken part too.

Does anyone have a count on how many dirty legs walked by? Cause that's a pretty decent group of people to fight with.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 21, 2005, 12:57:12 AM
Im trying to figure out why is your name Edison... but cannot figure it out...

Anyway just remember what you said and stop participating in this thread... and you'll be fine... its fun to fight for maybe a second in here, but then it gets old... ask everybody else!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 21, 2005, 02:17:19 AM
Anybody else get the impression from the legs that we saw (plus the teddy bear), that the line of Others might have all been kids?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on October 21, 2005, 03:42:27 AM
Quote from: polkablues
Anybody else get the impression from the legs that we saw (plus the teddy bear), that the line of Others might have all been kids?


like the Lost Boys in Peter Pan gone bad... yea that did cross my mind.  I also thought maybe the kid with the teddy bear was Danielle's son that was taken from her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 21, 2005, 10:18:38 AM
Quote from: andyk
Im trying to figure out why is your name Edison... but cannot figure it out...


You can stop trying because there is no real meaning, I once went by eez28 but now I dont have a z28 so the first thing that came to mind was edison.

I thought it was said that daniells's kid was a girl, and so after the season finale there were many theories going around that the girl who threw the bomb on the raft was Alex.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: meatwad on October 21, 2005, 11:09:58 AM
Quote from: edison
there were many theories going around that the girl who threw the bomb on the raft was Alex.


i thought the girl who threw the bomb on the raft and the man with the beard who spoke were the professors from the film they watched in the hatch
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 21, 2005, 02:38:44 PM
i missed the episode before the last.  i feel a little lost in the discussion right now.  what were some key points of the episode (fat guys story)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 27, 2005, 08:30:08 AM
Darren Aronofsky will direct 'Lost'

Who knew cult director Darren Aronofsky was a fan of the boob tube? The Requiem for a Dream helmer has just signed on to direct an episode of ABC’s Lost, which will likely air at the beginning of May sweeps. “It was one of those fantastic calls out of the blue,” says Lost exec producer Carlton Cuse. “His agents let us know he liked the show, and we jumped at the opportunity. Apparently, he had been watching Lost while up in Montreal shooting The Fountain and got hooked.” Speaking of which, won’t this interfere with completing Fountain, the director’s six years-in-the-making sci-fi epic starring fiancée Rachel Weisz and Hugh Jackman? “I think he will be done,” speculates Cuse. “We scheduled it so that [the episode] is coming on the heels of finishing The Fountain. And we will try to put together a story that will be well-suited for Darren’s talents and visual imagination.”
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 27, 2005, 09:28:15 AM
SWEET!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 27, 2005, 10:24:06 AM
oh my god oh my god oh my god

That's awesome.

Me and Darren both like Lost, that means we're like kindred spirits, connected across vast distances by our beings, or something.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 27, 2005, 03:32:00 PM
I no longer need porn.  Just the thought of Darren Aronofsky directing "Lost" and I'm good to go.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 27, 2005, 03:48:39 PM
I hope he directs the episode that kills Michelle Rodriguez, where Charlie pumps her full of heroin and she OD's. Then Hurley gets addicted to weight loss pills and Shannon and Kate do... you know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on October 27, 2005, 04:46:32 PM
that's interesting.   i haven't seen it but i'm on a tv frenzy and someone could lend me the first season.  is it good?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 27, 2005, 05:00:10 PM
Quote from: cronopio
is it good?

is heroin addictive?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 27, 2005, 05:01:05 PM
Quote from: cronopio
that's interesting.   i haven't seen it but i'm on a tv frenzy and someone could lend me the first season.  is it good?


Short answer:

YES
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 09, 2005, 08:52:15 AM
There is a funny LOST Quiz that tells you which character is more like you.

http://dw.com.com/redir?destUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fquizfarm.com%2Ftest.php%3Fq_id%3D3264&siteId=3&oId=2061-10786_3-5940241&ontId=10784&lop=nl.ex

I got Jack. There was a code to post for the results with all the info but couldnt figure out how to do it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 09, 2005, 02:48:13 PM
Apparently I'm Michael.  With a close second-place tie of Kate and Shannon.

I have no idea what that says about me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 09, 2005, 09:37:07 PM
new episode.  please tell me didnt just do what i think they did.  i HATE michelle rodriguez.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 09, 2005, 10:02:08 PM
i HATE michelle rodriguez.

I want to see her get punched in the face.  Regardless of whether or not it happens on the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 10, 2005, 12:03:16 AM
Sayid better torture that bitch!  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 10, 2005, 11:15:25 AM
Mac, your hatred for her has completely rubbed off on me. I fucking HATE that bitch. FUCK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 10, 2005, 04:48:51 PM
Mac, your hatred for her has completely rubbed off on me. I fucking HATE that bitch. FUCK.

EDIT: SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER  (sorry, guys)

I've gone the other way.  I used to not like her, now I'm like, "Well, I don't hate her like Macguffin does!"

But shooting Shannon, right after they made her all sympathetic and relatable... there will be consequences.

Best episode of the season so far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 12, 2005, 02:07:04 PM

SPOILERS


Yeah... anyone who liked her or was really trying to like her will realize she is a bitch... Why didnt she just leave them and walk alone on the beach if she is so smart and tough? Cant believe what just happened... that family really had it bad... first the father, step brother, now Shannon... damn

It was a good episode but I realize how much I miss things from the first season... like Sawyer being Sawyer... or even the Hatch... where the fuck were Kate and Jack today anyhow? or Hurley? And bring Desmond back!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 13, 2005, 04:35:09 AM
Not only that but now we have to spend atleast one episode seeing what happened to the other side of the plane.  Granted, thats cool and all its like a whole new story...but where the hell has jack/kate/desmond/anything having to do with the hatch been?  It may be a while until we find out if they dwell on the tail of the plane for a while.

I had this thought...is Shannon really dead? or are we supposed to think she is when Sawyer really is.  Niether of them is in very good condition.  However, I really hope Shannon is dead, her character started to go no where.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 13, 2005, 03:55:53 PM
I wonder who is still doing the shifts with the computer... Locke seemed very into it but obviously he wasnt there at all during the last episode... and considering that now he will be again getting into the story with Charlie and the Heroin... I dont think he will be back in the hatch soon
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 13, 2005, 04:22:30 PM
Maybe the next episode will do that little parallel thing they were doing at the beginning. They'll show us the hatch storyline, while slowly advancing and reiterating the other stories.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 13, 2005, 06:15:58 PM
I wonder who is still doing the shifts with the computer... Locke seemed very into it but obviously he wasnt there at all during the last episode... and considering that now he will be again getting into the story with Charlie and the Heroin... I dont think he will be back in the hatch soon
i was thinking the same thing, but assumed it could've been Jack and Kate cause they werent in the last one at all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 16, 2005, 01:36:37 PM
JUST A REMINDER: to anyone tivo-ing/recording the new LOST tonite, it's 5 minutes longer, so dont forget to adjust your recording settings or you'll miss the very end.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 16, 2005, 02:18:58 PM
Why is it five minutes longer?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 16, 2005, 02:22:43 PM
Why is it five minutes longer?

Because it's Sweeps Month.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 16, 2005, 09:07:56 PM
SPOILERS FOR THOSE WHO HAVEN"T SEEN IT, BECAUSE THAT'S WHO SPOILERS ARE FOR

hmm it was an interesting episode. I did like seeing their history, but it was still pretty tame/lame. It just wasn't very exciting. My favorite part was finally hearing what they said on the radio: "We're the survivors..." and kinda seeing how their events shaped their mindset as a group is interesting. But where's my sweet, sweet Kate?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 16, 2005, 11:37:04 PM
SPOILERS OF COURSE

Also...a question about last week's episode... what did the person on the radio say right before the old plane fell?  I forget the flight number, but Boone says something like "we're the survivors of flight XX" and I thought the response was "there WERE no survivors of flight XX" and my wife thinks the person said "This IS flight XX"

,,the radio said "There were no survivors on flight Oceania 815" or something like that, I believe.

and tonight we finally got the answer, which was really the only really good part of the episode other than getting to see one of the others up close and personal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 17, 2005, 12:30:04 AM
and tonight we finally got the answer, which was really the only really good part of the episode other than getting to see one of the others up close and personal.

Besides Ethan in Season 1?


Interesting how the Dharma symbol for the "tailies" was not the swan logo.  :ponder:



Man, if my "life now" meant being stuck with that bitch, I'd want the Others to take me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 02:22:13 AM
Man, if my "life now" meant being stuck with that bitch, I'd want the Others to take me.

My plan: take Cynthia Watros off into the jungle and go about starting our own new civilization, if you know what I mean.




....................................





Sex, that is.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 17, 2005, 10:48:16 AM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 17, 2005, 01:52:40 PM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....

You see, when a man loves a woman, or is just physically attracted to her, or is drunk, he inserts "something" into "something"... the rest is a little hazy, I slept through that day in Health class.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 17, 2005, 02:56:42 PM
Sex, that is.

I don't quite follow....

 he inserts "money" into "her pocket"...

I think I'm beginning to understand.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 17, 2005, 11:03:40 PM
It wasnt bad... but it kinda broke the standard of the last 30 episodes... which is... focus on everyone, and ONLY ONE, and the flash backs, and all that bullshit.

I dont see the need to develop all these new characters and stories and all that... I just wanted to see what the fuck is happening to the characters you actually care about and follow for over a year!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 21, 2005, 03:11:21 PM
I have a feeling it was planned for season 2 to start here, and all of this to span more than one episode.  But then when everyone got pissed that there were no answers at the end of season 1 they decided not to start season 2 with a whole new side of the plane.  If this is the case, i think it was a good move, I would've been pissed if i didn't see what was in that hatch...but now i haven't even seen the hatch in weeks, the "security system" is non  existent, and i don't even know what I'm waiting to see anymore.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 23, 2005, 11:55:24 AM
i haven't even seen the hatch in weeks, the "security system" is non  existent, and i don't even know what I'm waiting to see anymore.

That's what makes the show great, man!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 23, 2005, 01:46:01 PM
Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 23, 2005, 07:47:31 PM
Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks

I think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 23, 2005, 09:18:34 PM
AMBIGUOUS SPOILER

He should have hammered a bullet into her fucking head with the butt of the gun.  Forget shooting her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 24, 2005, 12:12:14 AM
I think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.

Wow, could your source have been more wrong? I mean, there's wrong, and then there's wrong. Whatever your source says, I'll add one week.

Tonight I bet it will be all about the bicth Ana Lucia and her flashbacks

I'll listen to you from now on.

AMBIGUOUS SPOILER

He should have hammered a bullet into her fucking head with the butt of the gun.  Forget shooting her.

Man, I could've read off an entire list to Sayeed of what good that would have done.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 24, 2005, 01:07:50 AM
I think it's supposed to be Kate day tonight... I read somewhere that tonight we find out what it was she did that had her on the run from the law in the first place.

Wow, could your source have been more wrong? I mean, there's wrong, and then there's wrong. Whatever your source says, I'll add one week.

In hindsight, I might have been reading next week's "TV Guide". 

On the other hand, had I played that right, I could have looked freakin' psychic.

Anyway.  Ana Lucia: worst cop ever?  Discuss.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 25, 2005, 07:01:13 PM
This episode was structurally weak. The whole bit "What happened to [the guy who shot you]" and then BOOM flashback to what happened. It's never been so transparent before, like "What happened? Heeeeere's what happened." And then the whole pregnancy reveal, it just didn't work. They should've gone ahead and shown it before all that with Sayeed, or just not have had that conversation.

Ana Lucia is still a bitch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 26, 2005, 01:17:51 AM
I agree with everything Gamblour said.  I'm just glad everyone is finally in one spot now.  I feel like now that all of that has been established the show can finally hit a certain flow it lost while jumping around so much from each side of the island. 

The hatch has just become something thats references via "Locke...the button."  It'll stay that way until Desmond reappears.  Apparently those others that got killed were in the Dharma jumpsuits. 

I'm hoping the security system comes back and throws Anna Lucia into a tree. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 26, 2005, 03:15:10 AM
This episode was structurally weak. The whole bit "What happened to [the guy who shot you]" and then BOOM flashback to what happened. It's never been so transparent before, like "What happened? Heeeeere's what happened." And then the whole pregnancy reveal, it just didn't work. They should've gone ahead and shown it before all that with Sayeed, or just not have had that conversation.

Ana Lucia is still a bitch.

one of the things i originally appreciated about Lost was the way they would show flashbacks and then later in the episode the character would say something or react to something and you would know that they said or did what they did because of what had happened in the past. it was a wonderful and subtle excercise in character development. that scene was like spoon feeding me the character's personality and it was pretty insulting.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 26, 2005, 08:25:28 PM
Lost Numbers Appear in Ireland Lottery... Mostly


   Everyone knows that Hurley won the lottery (and inherited quite a streak of bad luck) by using the numbers 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 42, numbers which have since popped up quite often on the show.
   The numbers have become so popular that usage of that specific number combination has surged in lotteries around the USA and possibly the world. However, unluckily (or luckily if you believe in the power of the numbers), the numbers have yet to prove to be a winning combination.
   Until November 19, 2005.
   At the Irish National Lottery, the winning numbers for November 19 were 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, and 24 (Bonus: 19). Notice anything about the numbers? Yes, the first five are exactly the same as the Lost numbers, and the sixth - 24 - is 42 reversed.
   The official website for the Irish National Lottery indicates that 298 people matched 5 of the numbers correctly (and one reader reports that it's 4 times the average number of Match 5 winners). One wonders how many of these winners plugged in 4, 8, 15, 16, and 23.
   Which begs the question: Should we worry about a Hurley-like jinx for these people? Or will the luck of the Irish cancel it out?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 27, 2005, 02:43:06 PM
I just looked at my DVR queue for the next couple of days.  I don't remember the ad saying this on Wednesday night but this week's episode is going to be an "extended" one as well.  So set your recording device of choice to stop recording at 10:05.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 27, 2005, 11:23:37 PM
Im out of town so I watched the episode by downloading it on iTunes... pretty nice and fast... the first chance I got to do it I downloaded in 15 minutes and watched it happy.

Anyways, I knew it was going to be about Ana Lucia because after shotting Shannon they had to try and show the reason of why she is such a bitch and I believe they are trying to make people like her, or at least stop wanting her dead.

I also read like polkablues that very soon they will reveal Kate's biggest secret, and I think it will happen in this next one because it would be cool if they focus a lot on her taking care of Sawyer and his reaction when he regains conciousness, as well as the interpretation of Ecko and the others about the Hatch. They didnt show it well, but the place where they stayed on the other side of the Island may have something to do with the hatch too, and it had the Dharma symbols too.

Other than that, I liked the episode... it was entertaining and it really finished a number of issues that were bothering me... like the old guy getting back to his wife, Jack meeting Ana Lucia (it was great when he heard the name and looked shocked), Jin and Sun, everyone knowing finally that the raft didnt make it, and of course seeing Locke, the hatch, and the beautiful Kate back in the action.

 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 27, 2005, 11:55:39 PM
I also read like polkablues that very soon they will reveal Kate's biggest secret, and I think it will happen in this next one...

It'll be this next episode. Last week's teaser said so.

They didnt show it well, but the place where they stayed on the other side of the Island may have something to do with the hatch too, and it had the Dharma symbols too.

Interesting how the Dharma symbol for the "tailies" was not the swan logo.  :ponder:

Notice too how Mr. Ecko stared at the Dharma symbol in the hatch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 28, 2005, 02:04:38 PM
just started watching this show and love it. about halfway through season 1, just a minor question i have that may have been answered, or else possibly not even worthy of a question, but anyway, in the episode when kate and sawyer find the u.s marshalls case in the lake with the waterfall, what is the case doing so far from the beach in that lake? and who are the dead people in the lake? passengers? were the chairs they were in airplane seats? couldn't tell. if they are from the plane, what was the u.s marshalls case doing under their seat, and not his, and how did they get launched so damn far?

maybe not important but this was kind of bothering me. great show, anyhow. neet to finish season 1 and download season 2 to catch up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 28, 2005, 05:39:04 PM
i just assumed the case was under their seats because you put your shit under the seat in front of you and they must have been the people kate and the marshal were sitting behind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 29, 2005, 12:41:25 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 29, 2005, 02:21:41 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 29, 2005, 08:40:47 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.

and remember that jack was tossed way out into the jungle and when he woke up he had to run to the crash site, so its not all that crazy to believe that the luggage could have also drifted into that lagoon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 29, 2005, 09:15:45 AM
fair enough. i'm satisfied for now, but maybe look for a larger, more compelling answer to this problem somehwere in season 3.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 30, 2005, 09:05:44 PM
What an awesome ending, too bad there is not a new one till 06
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 30, 2005, 09:09:19 PM
fuck are you serious?

good episode, though nothing except daddy issues with Kate that was new.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on November 30, 2005, 09:17:35 PM
fuck are you serious?

scheduled for jan 11
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on November 30, 2005, 09:25:28 PM
SPOILERS:  as soon as i saw the "hello" typed I knew it would be walt.  still a kick ass way to end the episode.  any ideas on the missing part of the video?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on November 30, 2005, 09:54:19 PM
Goddamn that was a good episode.  I'll say more about it later i'm still pondering it.



SO its really not on again til January? wtf?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 30, 2005, 10:04:43 PM
SPOILERS:  as soon as i saw the "hello" typed I knew it would be walt.  still a kick ass way to end the episode.  any ideas on the missing part of the video?
SPOILERS
not only did i call it would be walt but i also said the words "dad.  question mark." before they came up.  do i write for this show or what?  and the jack/kate kiss i've been waiting a season and a half for was underscored with some unsettling music.  troubling.  i cant believe i have to wait till NEXT YEAR for new episodes!?!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 01, 2005, 12:21:38 AM
ah, i forgot you put stuff in front of you, but still, how did they get launched so damn far? this is bothering me more than the beast mystery.

The plane broke in half in midair and continued to travel a ways before the actual crash.  It makes sense that a lot of stuff fell onto the island before the bulk of the plane actually went down.

and remember that jack was tossed way out into the jungle and when he woke up he had to run to the crash site, so its not all that crazy to believe that the luggage could have also drifted into that lagoon.

Just to add, Charlie's guitar was found far away from the crash site too.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 01, 2005, 01:02:18 AM
It's been almost what, 50 days, and those strings haven't broke yet? maybe he had spares, but i doubt it. have we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 01, 2005, 01:26:00 AM
have we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.

That's why they were in the One Hit Wonder section of the record store that Hurley went to after he quit his job.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 01, 2005, 09:08:36 AM
ah good point.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 01, 2005, 10:35:47 AM
It's been almost what, 50 days, and those strings haven't broke yet? maybe he had spares, but i doubt it. have we discussed how much drive shaft sucked when they showed them? it was the worst brand of pop rock ever.

I still prefer them to Nickelback.




And has anyone noticed the vague similarities between Kate and Hitchcock's Marnie?

SPOILERS FOR BOTH

Man issues
Mothers hate them despite their efforts to help them
Use their looks to facilitate theft
Killed men who hurt their mothers

Maybe I'm slightly stretching (though the Bernard Hermann-esque Kate theme doesn't help) but that had to be an influence.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2005, 09:03:24 AM
Why, God, why wasn't it a charge that would get her kicked off the show like that Desperate Housewives guy?:

Two 'Lost' Stars Charged With DUI

HONOLULU - Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, who star on ABC's "Lost," were arrested within 15 minutes of each other in Kailua for allegedly driving under the influence of an intoxicant.
 
Both failed field sobriety tests and were released Thursday on $500 bail each, police said. The actresses, who were in separate cars, were arrested after their vehicles were spotted weaving on Pali Highway, which connects Kailua and Honolulu, police said.

Watros, who portrays Libby on "Lost," was arrested at 12:05 a.m. Rodriguez, who plays Ana Lucia, was arrested at 12:20 a.m., according to police records. Rodriguez was booked under the name Mayte Michelle Rodriguez.

Calls placed by The Associated Press after business hours seeking comment from "Lost" spokesman Jeff Fordis weren't immediately returned.

Rodriguez, 27, and Watros, 37, were to appear at a driver's license revocation hearing at Kaneohe District Court on Dec. 29, police records showed.

Motorists arrested for operating a vehicle under the influence of an intoxicant automatically have their driver's licenses revoked. They are given a temporary license that allows them to drive, but under several restrictions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 02, 2005, 11:50:19 AM
See what happens?  Goddamn tail section doesn't know how to act. 

Too bad it wasn't Damon Lindelof or one of the producers... the cops could have got a plea deal going where the license would be reinstated in exchange for writing Michelle Rodriguez off the show.

If it hasn't been said before, I'm saying it now:  Ana-Lucia is the Jar-Jar Binks of Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on December 02, 2005, 12:09:49 PM
Everyone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

Instead of talking about her, why dont you tell me how the fuck Walt is running wet around the jungle and he managed to find a chat room? Thats freaky.

It was so cool when Kate finally said everything and Sawyer woke up and heard her... well done... and the tension between those 3 is gonna get interesting over the next episodes...

Fuck ABC and their 1 month + hiatus on Lost... I need to see whats going on!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2005, 01:06:36 PM
Everyone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

Sawyer - who you loved to hate; you can understand Kate's attraction to and repulsion of him; he has personality
Ana Lucia - you just hate; you cannot understand what Jack (will) see in her; she has no other face than mad (character and "actress")

That's the difference.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 02, 2005, 02:16:06 PM
Everyone STOP bitching at Ana Lucia... you sound like a bunch of pussies... she is ONE character on a show tha has like 12 main characters and where there is so much going on more than her... Everyone hated Sawyer at the beginning, or many other characters at the beginning when you didnt know them... now Ana Lucia is not the best character, and Michelle Rodriguez is not the best actress, but give her a frickin break.

we sound like a bunch of pussies?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on December 03, 2005, 01:07:42 PM
Its mugshot time....SMILE!


]http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html (http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/lostgirlsmug1.html[/b)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 11, 2006, 10:14:27 AM
NEW EPISODE TONIGHT!!!

And I thought I'd share something 2 friends of mine (who just finished watching Season 1 last week and came over this weekend to watch season 2 which I have on DVR) wrote over the weekend.  All of the research is, as far as they know, accurate, except for what's obviously not.


Shakespeare and “Lost”: Written in the Numbers
By Drs. Adam B. Hunault and Teresa A. Jusino
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The Tempest, like “Lost”, takes place on an island.  Coincidence?  We think not!  As The Tempest begins, there are 4 characters stranded on this island.  After the shipwreck, there are 15 total named characters that end up on the island…
   
William Shakespeare, author of The Tempest, lived from the 1500s to the 1600s – he was born on 4/23/1564.  He was one of 8 children.  He was the eldest son, and his youngest brother was born 16 years later.  He married Anne Hathaway, who was 8 years his senior.  She has 4 letters in her first name and 8 in her last name.  Shakespeare died on 4/23/1616, but his work wasn’t assembled until the first folio, published in 1623.  Shakespeare’s mother died in 1608 and his wife in 1623.
   
Shakespeare’s lifelong relationship with the mysterious “Lost” numbers doesn’t end there.  During his career, he wrote plays in 4 major categories (tragedies, comedies, histories and romances), as well as 154 sonnets of 16 lines each. 
   
Shakespeare’s first play was probably Titus Andronicus – this 15 letter title is the earliest instance of Shakespeare referencing “Lost” numbers in his work.  The Bard went on to write six plays with 4 word titles, as well as 4 plays named after a pair of characters, e.g. Romeo and Juliet, (4 x two = 8).  Of all of Shakespeare’s plays, 4 dealt with the Roman Empire, while 8 more take place in the Italian Renaissance.
   
In his histories, which were among his earlier plays, Shakespeare had not yet achieved the sophistication necessary to cleverly conceal his “Lost” numbers.  There were 8 major histories, often divided into two “cycles” of 4 plays each.  Shakespeare clearly drew his inspiration from the “Lost” numbers on the first of these cycles (Richard II, 1 Henry IV, 2 Henry IV and Henry V – 2+4+4+5=15), while the influence of “Lost” numbers is obvious in his decision to write about Henry IV (4) and Henry VIII (8).  The most famous of characters in the histories is Sir John Falstaff, who has 4 letters in his first name and 8 letters in his last name; the character appears or is mentioned in 4 plays.  Arguably the most famous line in all the histories in King Henry’s exhortation “Once more unto the breach, dear friends!” which appears in Henry V, act III scene 1, (3+1=4).
   
The comedies are by far the most fertile source of “Lost” numbers in Shakespeare.  Shakespeare’s most memorable comedic heroes, Beatrice and Benedict from Much Ado About Nothing, each have 8 letters in their name, a sum that their union at the end of the play brings to 16.  Shakespeare’s comedies famously end in marriage – 4 people get married at the end of The Taming of the Shrew and at the end of Midsummer Night’s Dream, while Shakespeare’s personal best was undoubtedly the 8 characters who got married at the end of As You Like It (a total of 4 marriages).  One comedy that did not end in marriage was The Merry Wives of Windsor, but it nonetheless featured a “love square” of 4 characters formed by Falstaff and the three titular wives, while the mischief in The Comedy of Errors revolves around two sets of twins (2x2=4).   The title character of The Taming of the Shrew is Kate, who has a 4 letter name, and who may have been named after the character on “Lost.”  Historians differ on this point, but the inclusion of characters named Kate or Katherine in 4 plays (Shrew, 1 Henry IV, 2 Henry IV, Henry V) seems to bear out the theory of Shakespeare’s fascination with this instance of the “dark lady” archetype. 
   
In his tragedies, Shakespeare mainly used “Lost” numbers in Hamlet.  That play’s iconic “To be or not to be” soliloquy occurs in Act 3, scene 1, (3+1=4).  Hamlet is often noted for its extreme pathos:  8 characters meet a violent end in the play (not including the Ghost, who dies before it begins).  However, traces of the “Lost” numbers also crop up in Romeo and Juliet, where Shakespeare gives more stage time to Romeo of the 8 lettered Montague family and his friend Mercutio (also 8 letters) than to Juliet, whose name cannot be linked to the “Lost” numbers.  More recently, Macbeth has been adapted into a film 42 times and, perhaps not coincidentally, is widely reputed to be cursed.
   
Shakespeare’s least understood plays are the enigmatic “problem plays,” or romances.  There are 4 of these plays.  In addition to The Tempest, which bears a clear resemblance to the premise of “Lost,” the baby Perdita who was at the center of the action in A Winter’s Tale is believed dead for 16 years before she returns to Bohemia.  Perdita, in Spanish, translates to “little lost one.”
   
However, Shakespeare’s relationship with the acclaimed television drama doesn’t end with his use of the numbers.  Through his writing, he was trying to depict the struggle between science and faith, which was done with greater success through the characters of Jack and John Locke on “Lost.”  Shakespeare shows his inclination toward the Lockean ideal of a “state of nature” most clearly by virtue of the name “John” being the most used name in his plays, even naming one of them “King John.”  He only uses the name Jack – with its French spelling, “Jacques” – once, and the speech given him, the “Seven Ages of Man” speech, is a defeatist one in which nature is an enemy to be fought against, otherwise we would fall victim to it and be left “sans everything.”  Shakespeare’s most popular character, Falstaff, is called both Jack and John at different times, which is fitting since he is his own worst enemy.
   
“Lost” has clearly influenced many famous writers besides Shakespeare—some obvious examples being the philosopher John Locke’s “tabula rasa” clean slate theory and argument that human authority must bow to nature, or his French colleague Rousseau’s “wild child” theory about children raised from infancy in the forest.   However, we will leave the study of these links to other teams of dedicated scholars.  For our purposes it suffices to point out the very clear influences of “Lost” on William Shakespeare’s plays, some of the seminal works in the English language.  These influences have curiously been omitted from serious scholarship until recent years.


Dr. Adam Hunault is a renowned expert in Star Trek, specializing in the Original Series and how it relates to modern philosophy.  He earned his doctorate in Geekology in 2005 with a celebrated dissertation on Star Trek’s “47 Conspiracy.”  He currently teaches Advanced Buffy-verse Studies and chairs the Star Trek  Department at Harvard University.

Dr. Teresa Jusino is most well-known for her paper, “Hamlet: Early Prototype for Norman Bates?” and “Cordelia and Edgar: Only the Good Die Young?”, which were delivered at New York University in 2000.  She earned her PhD in Shakespeare and Pop Culture in 2001, and currently teaches a course in Firefly and the Modern World at Yale University.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 11, 2006, 02:27:33 PM
That seems very interesting, but I really dont know how much the writers took all that stuff in consideration for what they created. I think a lot of the stuff that happens, like where the numbers come from, or WHY those numbers dont have explanation. There are so many theories and stuff I read online, its amazing how it relates to so many different things. The whole thing is so out there that it kinda makes sense. I dont know... but I'm excited about new episodes returning tonight!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on January 11, 2006, 02:49:02 PM
Ugh... I hate that kind of numerology shit... anything and everything can be connected by numbers because everything is made up of numbers and there's really only ten of them.

Kudos to your friends for liking Lost enough to connect it to something random like that.

Can't wait for the new episode(s) tonight... is the first one going to be a recap or rerun do we really get two?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 11, 2006, 03:35:48 PM
Nah, I think its a recap of the first 48 days for EVERYONE... and a new episode after that!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 12, 2006, 12:08:40 AM
Great story-centered episode. Not much emotion, but some great plot going on. The smoke....man. My friends, fairly unfamiliar with the show, thought it looked horrible. I let it slide.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on January 12, 2006, 12:20:32 AM
Great story-centered episode. Not much emotion, but some great plot going on. The smoke....man. My friends, fairly unfamiliar with the show, thought it looked horrible. I let it slide.
Yeah, it's too bad TV shows don't have enough time or money to produce good CGI.

I thought it was a pretty emotional episode.  The flashback story had a lot of emotion.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 12, 2006, 07:56:21 AM
Little by little they make another connection, and they explain little things we are carrying from the beginning, which is good... The Mr. Ecko story was very good, and unexpected. They still have to show the reason why he also ends up on the Island. I just want to see more Locke, which I think after the previews for next week, we will.

The episode was very good, great way to come back and make people get excited again!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 12, 2006, 09:28:26 AM
Best episode of the season so far.  I might even be inclined to put it up there with Walkabout from season 1, maybe not for pure emotion but Eko's past is almost as interesting as the island.  As much care as they've put into his backstory, they're definitely going to have him and Locke get in a tussle somewhere along the way.

And SOMEBODY watched City of God before directing this episode...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 12, 2006, 09:19:10 PM
And SOMEBODY watched City of God before directing this episode...

Explain...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 12, 2006, 09:59:53 PM
i thought of that too during the opening minutes.  not directed anywhere near as kinetically but my mind still went to City Of God. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 12, 2006, 10:46:38 PM
Just cause of the kids playing soccer in a "favela"? And guns and shit like that in the middle?

You guys need to leave your country for a bit...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 13, 2006, 04:20:23 AM
You guys need to leave your country for a bit...

What's that? Are you being condescending? I must have missed the kids playing soccer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 13, 2006, 10:19:22 AM
Just cause of the kids playing soccer in a "favela"? And guns and shit like that in the middle?

You guys need to leave your country for a bit...


So ALL countries except for the US are color-corrected a little yellow like Brazil and Nigeria seem to be?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 13, 2006, 02:25:13 PM
Believe it or not... many of them are. Especially in areas like that, where you have the people living in very dry areas with no water and in some cases no power. I can see the similarity if you have only seen it on City of God, but really its like saying that the writers also saw The Beach or Castaway before writing Lost. It doesnt mean anything if you've seen many places like that in your life.

And I also meant it cause they are playing soccer, barefoot, etc... which is a very common thing in those places and in most poor villages around the world... they usually dont play football or baseball
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 13, 2006, 03:09:45 PM
I can see the similarity if you have only seen it on City of God, but really its like saying that the writers also saw The Beach or Castaway before writing Lost.

The City of God comparison had not only to do with the yellow tint and the soccer but that a ganglord puts a gun in a 6-year-old's hand and tries to make him kill someone.  Looking at all those and the fact that the writing and producing staff on Lost are big pop culture geeks, that City of God comparison isn't really that uninformed.  I can see why you would say I need to get out of my own country more often but that's like saying we need to see more movies because Kate's backstory and Hermann-esque music reminds me of Hitchcock.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 19, 2006, 02:20:03 AM
Great episode tonight.  This season is starting to build towards something amazing.

Best last line ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 08:13:15 AM
Best last line ever.

So true, sucky flashback and a lame reason for the marriage split but that confrontation scene and the last line saved this episode
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 09:42:37 AM
sucky flashback and a lame reason for the marriage split

Jack should have at least taken a sledgehammer to her spine.  "You're leaving me?  Well, I'm taking back the use of your legs, you ungrateful bitch!"  CRACK!!!

And it should all have been set to Coldplay's "Fix You."



Great episode tonight. This season is starting to build towards something amazing.

Best last line ever.

I haven't been that pumped by the end of an episode since the Numbers ep.  They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 09:56:24 AM
They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!

but by the way this show goes, we probably wont see anything more about the "army" comment till like another 3-4 episodes, with 2-3 weeks of repeats in between. they love to throw shit out there and then do nothing about it. but yeah, when it finally does get going this should be an awesome season finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 10:03:31 AM
I... umm... I didn't say all that.  I agree... but I didn't say that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on January 19, 2006, 11:55:00 AM
if you ask me that was the best flashback of the season.  jack is most interesting character.    best episode yet.  so much was awesome about it i don't know where to begin.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 19, 2006, 12:32:01 PM
i thought it was the first lackluster episode of the entire series.  and i love jack but the writing just wasnt up to par.  the story and bits of info to be dispersed werent bad but the execution and whole rhythm of the show was off.  from the opening minutes till the end.  michael putting jack in the room in the opening minutes was a weird way to start the episode, like 'where did that come from?' not like 40 minutse of building and THEN you can see him being driven to that.  and then they were like 'i hope sawyer gets his bandage changed' which i thought was a good line but then cut to sawyer and kate 'i think you need your bandage changed'.  jack goes crazy rogue without giving much reason for it, seemed out of character and nothing had just driven him to that except kate's disskiss and getting locked in the room.  his meeting with the others was also totally anticlimactic and he was TOTALLY unreasonable.  they were like 'lets talk' and he was like 'no, let me find michael' not like 'okay yeah.  first question: where is michael?  why are you taking our dudes?  whats with the hatch?  why are you here?  why are you letting us live here?  can we all live together peacefully?  we'll come to you or you come to us.  why is walt special?  whats going on?' you know like A THOUSAND FUCKING REASONABLE QUESTIONS TO ASK and he doesnt want to talk.  RIDICULOUS and worst: out of CHARACTER.  the last line was great, but as someone elsewhere proposed "shouldn't he be asking sayid about training an army?"   and i still hate the idea of kate with sawyer and jack with ana-lucia.  but jack and kate will be together someday, i know in my heart...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on January 19, 2006, 12:47:41 PM
i think it was in character.  the whole theme of the episode was he is constantly trying to fix something.   he needed to fix the situation with michael to verify that he is a "miracle worker."  that's why he came up with the idea of starting an army.   it was frustrating that he didn't get anything accomplished with the others, but i think it only builds more suspense in the minds of the viewers. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 19, 2006, 01:10:15 PM
I have to agree with modage on every point except that it was a lackluster episode.  There wasn't much good dialogue but the Others still made up for it, even if Jack should have asked better questions.  A friend of mine and I came to the conclusion that the last episode is going to be Jack asking the others to help them get off the island and the others say, "Yeah, sure. All you had to do was ask."  And they'll pull out a yacht made of titanium with a full tank of gas.

Jack should definitely have talked to Sayid about this instead of that miscast hose beast... hopefully Michelle Rodriguez has to do time for that DUI and gets written off the show.

Also, they should have taken Eko with them to find Michael.  At first I thought maybe it was because they didn't entirely trust any of the tail section but then Jack starts talking to Shooter McGavin over there about building an army so... maybe it was a racial thing.   :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 19, 2006, 02:01:08 PM
Was it me, or did M.C. Gainey look like Mr. Heatmiser from A Year Without A Santa Claus?

(http://www.houseofplum.com/gallery/heatmiser.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 19, 2006, 03:18:53 PM
But i dont think anyone really wants to bother sayid just yet because he lost his girl like what a day or two ago?

....but then all the more reason to ask him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 19, 2006, 08:06:22 PM
Yeah... remember everything happens in only a few days... thats maybe a reason why Sawyer had too much energy after being almost dead two days ago. But Sayid was still grieving and feeling very depressed... and Jack probably knew that asking a question like that to him or Ecko would start a new discussion and problem... Ana Lucia has nothing, so she cant refuse to help him.

I liked the episode... I also wanted them to ask so many other questions to "The Others", but the situation was so strange I guess at that point they just wanted to get our of there alive. When you look at it from outside its very easy to be rational and smart, but it wouldnt be smart for the writers to make them seem so cool in that situation.

Hurley trying to score will be a very interesting and funny adition to the storyline. And Locke calling Sawyer James at the end was just funny...

I liked Julie Bowen, not anymore. Ungrateful bitch!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 25, 2006, 08:10:48 PM
mod is right.

and the new episode SUCKED
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 25, 2006, 09:42:27 PM
well i went on record to say that last week was the only lackluster episode of the series, but this weeks was worse.  i don't like what they're doing with their characters.  they're creating conflicts because they realized that now that all the original survivors get along and the tailies are integrated (which was the whole drama of the first half of this season, getting everyone back together and meeting the new people) they have no drama.  so they're trying to stir up drama's but it feels completely false.  after everything the've told us about these characters to have them do things that are so OUT OF CHARACTER is one of the worst things a show can do.  (alias in the later seasons was a big offender in this category).  i dont believe for a second that charlie would act so crazy or locke would be so irrational or etc. etc. etc..  conflict is fine, but it doesnt seem to be growing organically, it seems forced.  and the flashback was sort of pointless.  i hope they get back to greatness next week and these two episodes are not the beginning of the shows decline.  it's too soon!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 25, 2006, 11:52:36 PM
drive shaft was in diapers. i mean my god.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 26, 2006, 02:20:16 AM
It was just weird.  An entire episode with, quite literally, no narrative development. 

It's like in the early days of animation, where they'd have the main artists draw the frames that show the big movements of the characters, and then the low-paid interns would draw the "in between" frames to fill in the motion.  This episode was like an "in between" frame.

The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 26, 2006, 08:23:47 AM
The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:

I agree, though I can't separate that actress from her DUI photo. She was supposed to be, and kinda was, really hot but it didn't reach its full potential. Rodriquez is still pug fugly.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 26, 2006, 09:45:37 AM
well i went on record to say that last week was the only lackluster episode of the series, but this weeks was worse.  i don't like what they're doing with their characters.  they're creating conflicts because they realized that now that all the original survivors get along and the tailies are integrated (which was the whole drama of the first half of this season, getting everyone back together and meeting the new people) they have no drama.  so they're trying to stir up drama's but it feels completely false.  after everything the've told us about these characters to have them do things that are so OUT OF CHARACTER is one of the worst things a show can do.  (alias in the later seasons was a big offender in this category).  i dont believe for a second that charlie would act so crazy or locke would be so irrational or etc. etc. etc..  conflict is fine, but it doesnt seem to be growing organically, it seems forced.  and the flashback was sort of pointless.  i hope they get back to greatness next week and these two episodes are not the beginning of the shows decline.  it's too soon!

It's too soon to start worrying about the show's overall quality.  It seems like they only have half a season's worth of plot that they're padding out to fit a whole season but there's no way for us to tell yet if any of this is going to factor into some major shit later on in this season or even in the next one.  The Sun/Jin flashback episode from earlier in the season was some hardcore padding too.  I didn't like the episode when it first ran but looking back on it, it was great... but there was nothing to advance their story nor what was going on on the island that they couldn't have stuck into other episodes.  Last night's was like that too but if what I have been waiting for to happen happens, then this episode will be a pretty big turning point in some respects. 

Rodriquez is still pug fugly.

But it was the first time she didn't make me want to take a sledgehammer to her face.  She was almost... endearing.  Almost.

The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby. Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was. :ponder:

POSSIBLE SPOILER

After last week's commercial for this week, I thought to myself when Hurley says "Have we met before?", that Libby was IN the psych ward as a patient.  Couple that with a theory my girlfriend heard (from where, I don't know) that Libby is a pathological liar and there you are.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 26, 2006, 04:36:07 PM
They've turned a corner here.  Shit is gonna go DOWN!

but by the way this show goes, we probably wont see anything more about the "army" comment till like another 3-4 episodes, with 2-3 weeks of repeats in between.

I knew it

i hope they get back to greatness next week

Hate to rain on your parade but the next new episode is in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 26, 2006, 06:07:12 PM
see, but it's not the padding i mind.  in fact, as long as it's GOOD padding i much prefer it to the characters acting completely OUT of character for drama's sake which is mostly what has bugged me about the last two episodes.   let jack and kate go golfing or jin and sun have a flashback, it's all good.  just dont let them come face to face with the others and NOT ASK a single question.  thats bad writing.
The only compelling thing in the episode was the exchange between Hurley and Libby.  Something set off a warning bell in Hurley's head, and I for one want to find out what it was.   :ponder:

I agree, though I can't separate that actress from her DUI photo. She was supposed to be, and kinda was, really hot but it didn't reach its full potential. Rodriquez is still pug fugly.
me too!  it's TERRIBLE.  i cannot NOT think of that photo EVERY TIME i see her.  i told my girlfriend about it but then said she could never see it.  its detracting from the show for me.  rodriguez looks the same as when i see her on the show: HATE. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 27, 2006, 08:05:40 PM
Yeah this episode was pretty bad... I just came back from a trip and sat down very happy cause I was watching Lost and the Episode 100 of Smallville... and they ruined my fucking friday... I think I'm going out now just to get it out of my head.

With Charlie I just think its pointless to keep explaining his story... it was clear with the first flashback and the brother... no need for this. He reminds me of MERRY all the time and I so far I dont think he brought anything good to the people in the Island... so I dont really care for him.

What bothers me the most is that it seemed like last week's epsiode didnt happen... nobody really discussed it and nothing new happened. Its one of those episodes that you can skip and there is nooo problem.

Hope they go back to the good stuff next week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 27, 2006, 08:40:48 PM
Hope they go back to the good stuff next week.
Hate to rain on your parade but the next new episode is in 2 weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on January 27, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
damnit

I hate TV, there is nothing!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Rudie Obias on January 29, 2006, 08:00:25 PM
darren aronofsky is directing an episode during the may sweeps!!!  i just read that in the new issue of lost magazine.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on January 29, 2006, 11:17:20 PM
darren aronofsky is directing an episode during the may sweeps!!!  i just read that in the new issue of lost magazine.

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=8258.0
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2006, 09:33:14 PM
well, this was another terrible episode, no?  the past 2 have been terrible.  i now definitley see what your saying mod.  everything about tonight was so contrived.   the one really nice moment was when moonlight sonata was playing.  but i think they're ruining the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2006, 09:40:17 PM
yes, and it KILLS ME TO SAY IT, but it was utter shit.  save for hurley and sayids moments together, kate confronting sawyer and the reveal at the end atleast sets things up for real drama even if they had to make EVERY character act COMPLETELY OUT OF CHARACTER to do it.  3 in a row, i'm worried REALLY REALLY WORRIED it might never come back.  jack, kate, sawyer, locke, charlie = nobody acting how they would reasonably act.  and save for the reveal of sawyers accomplice everything was completely predictable. 

why would locke need to babysit charlie?  first season he left it up to free will and fate and now he has to take things away from him and embarrass him?  why is jack so irrational and gung ho about getting to the guns?  how could locke fall for sawyer?  why in gods name would sawyer do ANYTHING like this?  'he's bad.'  i dont think so.  he hasnt been bad for a long time.  and the way he was taunting jack like some kind of schoolyard bully was awful.  in the first season he and jack clashed because of their personalities.  and sawyer has been pretty cool and likable for a long time.  why did he feel the need to flip out?  he won kate and jack had recently saved his life.  why all the hate?  'they're running the place now and i dont like being bossed around'.  i dont buy it for a second.  thats the writers lazily creating conflict where one had worn away.  and charlie doing what he's done has put him over the deep end of unforgivable.  its not in his character AT ALL, but neither was the way locke treated him.  still, even if he wanted to get locke back there is no way in fuck he would do something to sun like that who was a complete innocent.  never.  the writers have just created hate for those two because they needed it and i dont know if i can forgive them for that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on February 09, 2006, 12:13:05 AM
i liked this episode a better than last week's. i keep telling myself that maybe sawyer did this because he doesnt want people to run around shooting everything that moves. and i can understand charlie getting desperate like that. he seems childish like that. the way his big brother constantly brushed him aside makes it seem possible that he's tired of being treated like that. the only one who is pissing me off is Locke. he's acting way out of character and I can't even make up some outlandish desperate explanation for him. the preview for next week looked more promising.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 09, 2006, 12:30:30 PM
I liked this episode, way more entertaining than last weeks borefest, but I knew that last week was set up for something. With that mention of how Sawyer is acting out of character by turning all bad-ass all of a sudden, I believe that all these episodes of him being "good" was him really being out of character and he is plain and simple a bad guy who doesn't like to be messed with. Remember he killed that guy in Australia who begged for mercy and while he may have really liked Kim Dickens he still could have run off with her but opted to take her money. There is no way his Sherriff role can last for long, all they have to do is get anna-lucia to kick his ass all over the island and off one of the many cliffs like she did when she first met him. Liked Hurleys line about "when are we" clearly a stab at all the talk about theories of when the show is taking place. Next week looks pretty exciting but doesn't every episode look that way when it comes to previews?

Fun Info:
Kate's mom was he waitress when sawyer had his meeting with his partner
The screenplay Hurley is reading will soon be released as an actual novel
Author of Occurrence at Owl Creek bridge went missing in Mexico
Glen Miller, who composed the song at the end, also went missing during WW2 over the English channel
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 09, 2006, 01:01:36 PM
Mod is overreacting again.
There were some stretches here for sure (mainly Locke believing Sawyer so quickly and Jack getting so gun-crazy), but I think everyone is missing the point of Sawyer's flashbacks.  Sawyer's doing this because he was getting too attached.  He can't deal with being attached to anyone as shown in the flashback.

anyway, it was better than the last one, for sure.  I think they're just reestablishing relationships and having to do it in an akward way.. that's what happens with television shows.  I still have some faith.  It won't get bad until at least season 3 and it won't be horrible until the end of 4 or beginning of 5.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 09, 2006, 02:01:53 PM
They're building up to something.  That moment when Locke says "Will you help me?" to Sawyer, he meant more than "Will you help me move the guns?"  You could see it in his eyes; there was more to that statement than that.  Something big is definitely happening. 

One of my friends had the exact same reaction as mod, to which I told her that she's not entirely wrong.  This season, while I have had no major complaints with it, isn't as spectacular as season 1, but there's some great stuff just around the bend.  It's not like the show has gone in a COMPLETELY different direction (even taking into account Charlie, Locke, and Sawyer of late) or anything too ridiculous.  But right now, it's like how some Stephen King novels have 200 pages of everything you'd ever want in a suspense story at the beginning and 200 pages at the end, but in the middle, the characters are just running around like morons, biding their time until the supreme awesomeness of the end finally shows up.

I believe in them.  I think the writers/producers have learned enough from the Wachowski brothers to not make the same mistakes they made with Revolutions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 09, 2006, 11:58:07 PM
I also think they are building up to something big... I dont think they are stupid when they write this and I think they needed some of this nonsense to happen in order to get to where they really want to get for the season finale.

That being said, I loved the episode because I think Sawyer is one of the most interesting characters. And what he did today, as some of you mentioned, is acting exactly like himself. He had a rough time being shot and all that, but now he is strong again and he saw that while he was gone, things went out of hand. He used to have the stash with everything, and he used to be in control of his situation. Now, he came back and everything changed, so he needed to step up.

It was cool to see that the whole episode was going to that clash between Locke and Jack, and then it was Sawyer against everyone. And Charlie is just lost and stupid, and the more he says he doesnt want the heroin, the closer he will get to it.

Couldnt see the preview from next week (got the ep. on iTunes) but I'm sure it will get better and better. For me it's really the only show besides 24 where I think they really care about not fucking up their story and making the characters do what their personality really makes them do. And I think the quality of the writing is as good as ever... but having such a great first season is very hard to always be so great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2006, 12:23:34 AM
I thought the episode was good, I like Sawyer's position on top now, it's an interesting new dynamic. But the writing was pretty bad, eg the interrupting flashback at the end followed by "I guess I'm not a nice person". Great, we got it one million times before. Also the dialogue, "we're con artists, this is what we do." What a horrible line. but Sayid and Hurley had some awesome moments. And Charlie's bad episode was kinda validated.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 14, 2006, 09:38:43 AM
i think you guys are forgiving the show because you're trying to see where its going and not that it has to be terrible to get there.  i want it to get to a crazy interesting place too, i just wish they didnt have to go against all manner of logic and character development to do so.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 14, 2006, 12:31:45 PM
i think you guys are forgiving the show because you're trying to see where its going and not that it has to be terrible to get there.  i want it to get to a crazy interesting place too, i just wish they didnt have to go against all manner of logic and character development to do so.

Of course we are, because we don't want to think that they might be full of shit and the season and a half that we've been invested in this show might have been a waste of time.  It's still too early to judge; we won't really get a clearer picture of where they're going until at least the season finale.  And everything going on is building up to the season finale, not the end of the show.  This finale, much more than the first finale, will make or break the show.  If they don't answer enough questions, at least half their audience will tune out for good and that will kill it.  The plus side is, I think the writers know this.  Of course, I'll be pissed if the season finale turns the show in a shitty direction.

All in all, it could be a lot worse than it is.  I'm about to give up on this season of 24 because it's really been nothing but cut-and-paste of the previous 4 seasons from the get-go.  David Fury writes one of the best hours of TV I've ever seen but can't get the writers of 24 to do something they haven't already done?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 14, 2006, 02:06:10 PM
Maybe the reason why this season is not so good...

Abrams Laments Missing 'Alias' Finale, 'Lost'
By Daniel Fienberg

Even when J.J. Abrams seems tired -- and at San Francisco's WonderCon, he arrives looking as if it's been weeks since his last night's sleep -- it's difficult to believe that he's approaching his 40th birthday later this year. Hearing Abrams confess that he only has so many hours in his days is even more striking.
Abrams is addressing a crowd of rabid devotees about "Mission: Impossible III," the high pressure, megabudget summer sequel that marks his feature directing debut. It's kind of a big deal for Paramount, but for the genre fans in attendance, it may pale in comparison to Abrams' ABC dramas "Alias" and "Lost." Unfortunately, for the past year or so, Abrams has been eating, drinking and breathing fireballs, high-tech gadgets and Tom Cruise. That commitment has caused his involvement on both shows to be seriously reduced.

"I wish I could take more credit for 'Lost' this year, but I can't," Abrams says, referring to the show's second season. "Everyone's like, 'I love 'Lost' this year!' and I'm like 'I had nothing to do with it!'"

It was during production on the "Lost" pilot that Cruise called Abrams and set "Mission: Impossible III" plans in motion. With the franchise sequel already running behind thanks to several director shifts, Cruise was ready to get rolling, but Abrams recognized his responsibilities to "Lost." He asked the most powerful actor in Hollywood for a one-year delay, which Cruise granted.

"I said to [co-creator Damon Lindelof], 'Look, this has come up' and he said, 'Dude, you've got to do it.' He was so cool about it," Abrams recalls. "I'm not just grateful that meeting Damon was sort of the catalyst for and the alchemy to create the pilot and series, but that he and Carlton Cuse really took all the reins to run the show this year. I've been perfectly involved this season, but I'm as much a fan of theirs as anything."

Abrams has more regrets about having to let go of his older series. After a five year run, "Alias" will go off the air this May. Unfortunately, the Jennifer Garner spy series will vanish at exactly the moment Abrams will be concentrating on launching a very different spy venture.

"I wanted to direct the last episode of 'Alias,' but I have to go on the international tour for this, so I won't get to do that, which is a very sort of heartbreaking idea that the show will end without me there," Abrams explains.

Even after hearing about the writer-director's divided attentions, one intrepid "Lost" viewer is still looking for answers.

"Is the island Jesus?" he asks.

Abrams does a double-take, pauses, smiles and plays along.

"Yes," he says.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 14, 2006, 02:17:03 PM
FUCK, he's not going to come back to finish Alias?!?  damnit.  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 14, 2006, 02:24:39 PM
Everyone I talked to seemed to think last weeks episode was the best/ so good.  I just hope xixax didn't bias my opinion of the show last week, but I don't think it did.  I tried to explain to people that they're completely manipulating the characters to create conflict.  People I argued with said, "But dude the flashbacks explain why there are acting like that!"  and while it's sort of true, i think that's the problem.   they're using the recent flashbacks to justify their erratic behavior.  if i remember correctly, the flashbacks use to be more of a way just to get to know the characters and wasn't tied to the eppisode nearly as much as it is now.  last week was a perfect example:  he would say something in the flashback and then he would say that same exact thing in the present time.    it's not like jack's recent behavior was foreshadowed at all up until his recent flashback episode.  it's not like he seemed like from the get go.  which makes it seem obvious, at least to me, that the recent conflicts are so contrived.  

and up until last weeks episode i told myself that they're just stalling until the good stuff.  i can't think that way anymore.  it seems like the whole future of the show is gonna grow from the last few weeks' contrivances.  which will really be a problem cause i just won't buy into what happens from here.  it's not like things are just gonna go back to the way there are.   i wanted to like the past few episodes, i really did, but i just don't think i can.  

someone talk some sense into me.  
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 15, 2006, 10:21:41 PM
well Lost is back on track and THANK GOD.  because seriously, at the beginning of the episode i was thinking 'you know, it may never come back at this point', but i'm just going to assume those episodes being off was a fluke and it wont happen again.  probably in the grand scale of things they wont be that noticable even (when speeding through the dvds without waiting weeks/months between episodes).  so yeah, tonites episode was completely great from beginning to end.  even having the awesome evil dude from Carnivale show up in Sayid's flashback helped through it over the edge of awesome.  i wish he actually had more to do, (an other perhaps?)  i see that they're trying to break everybody off into little sects and thats cool and the way it was done tonite was more reasonable.  everyones actions seemed justified and in character.  locke changing the lock on jack seemed reasonable because they've been clashing like hell recently AND he knew about jack trying to 'start an army' behind his back and confronted him about it.  good stuff.  Sayid losing it a little bit because A. he's a torturer and he knows how to get the info and if you're telling the truth and B. since his honey is dead he deserves a little freak out.  completely justified.  the little look that asshole gave when he got the door shut on him was creepy as hell too.  and jin blowing off sawyer, also good. small moment but yeah, everyone would hate him.  the only way he got hurley to go with him is through blackmail.  see, everything made sense.  so  :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: to co-creators Lindelof and Cuse for writing this episode and getting the show back on track.  THANK GOD.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 16, 2006, 12:23:45 AM
The fucking frog nearly killed it.  Great episode (actually, unlike Mod, I thought they've been great ever since the Eko episode, not counting the Charlie mishap), but man... that fucking frog story....

Anyone notice that the army guy who asked Sayid if he had a wife and kids was Kate's dad?  It was a picture of her that he was looking at in the truck.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 16, 2006, 10:13:27 AM
yeah i noticed.  kate was totally young.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 16, 2006, 11:42:49 AM
well Lost is back on track

Told ya.

Definitely best ep since Eko's flashback.

But what's Sayid's angle with Charlie?  "Have you forgotten?"  What's he getting at?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 16, 2006, 12:39:55 PM
the awesome evil dude from Carnival show up in Sayid's flashback

You mean CLANCY FUCKING BROWN!!!!  Jesus, that was awesome...

also, the countdown getting past zero, did anybody else freak out?  I mean I knew they couldn't just let it go, but one the heiroglyphic things started showing up, I was really losing it.

Great episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on February 17, 2006, 05:24:46 PM
also, the countdown getting past zero, did anybody else freak out?  I mean I knew they couldn't just let it go, but one the heiroglyphic things started showing up, I was really losing it.

that scene was such a tease. i got blue balls jsut from watching it. great episode though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Tictacbk on February 18, 2006, 07:26:00 PM


These gaps between new episodes are killing me!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 18, 2006, 08:46:33 PM
Loved the episode... but hated that they keep teasing on everything and there absolutely NO answers... thats the good thing about watching a show on DVD once its out... you can jump to the next episode, and the next...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2006, 10:02:26 PM
Anyone notice that the army guy who asked Sayid if he had a wife and kids was Kate's dad?  It was a picture of her that he was looking at in the truck.

More trivia:

The Other was named Henry Gale, same name as Dorothy's uncle in Wizard Of Oz. And was in a hot air balloon that The Wizard was going to take Dorothy home in.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 02, 2006, 12:49:37 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 02, 2006, 01:12:32 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?

Even mod has to admit that was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series so far.  He just... he just has to.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 02, 2006, 01:27:45 PM
So, what... no review from mod telling us why this week's episode was on or off track?

Even mod has to admit that was the best episode of the season, and one of the best of the series so far.  He just... he just has to.
good to hear.  i actually saw the Strokes last nite so i have not actually watched it yet though i did glance at my phone at 9:03 and go 'we're missing Lost right NOW'.  but i'll be sure to check in tonite with my thoughts!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on March 02, 2006, 04:20:51 PM
My guess is that you just set Mod up to be disapointed.

I agree that it was good episode though I was a little more into the last one than this.  This one just revealed a lot more than pretty much anything since the first handful of the season.

I wonder how much it's going to slow down now.  If sweeps weren't coming soon, I would say that it would be one more event-packed episode then slowness for a long while, but maybe it'll just be a whole bunch of shit happening then a big avalanche of information.

But yeah, this one: I like what they showed and what they set up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 03, 2006, 03:18:06 PM
My guess is that you just set Mod up to be disapointed.
nah, i dont treat each episode of lost like it's own film.  i dont really rank some over others or set myself up for disappointment. the only exception was it was always great until suddenly nobody acted reasonable and it wasnt, and now it's back.  so, that said tonite was great.  i liked (and was at first thrown by) having the flashbacks all take place on the island.  that could open the show up to going back on itself hundreds of times by showing what certain (unshown) characters were up to DURING the episodes you saw and still take place on the same timeline.  like this episode you didnt see Jin, Sayid, Ana Lucia, Michael, Charlie, etc. etc. etc. and every episode has tons of characters who arent in them so when the 'run out of' or want to switch it up they can just keep playing with the timeline of events since the crash.  which is really cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 09, 2006, 12:06:34 PM
No new episode last night?


Im out of town but I thought there was one...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on March 09, 2006, 02:03:13 PM
new one on the 22nd
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 09, 2006, 04:42:15 PM
That sucks...

No Lost, no Office, no Smallville... at least two hours of 24 this week...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 22, 2006, 04:35:14 PM
also, (not to be a total obsessive) but when henry gale gives the dimensions of his balloon, he gives the same exact dimensions as Steve Fosett's "Solo Spirit" balloon. the solo spirit was the first hot air balloon to make it around the world in 2002. 

check it out: http://solospirit.wustl.edu/flight.html#balloon

!!!!!SPOILER!!!!
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

sorry if i ruined it everyone
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on March 22, 2006, 04:37:40 PM
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

Beware to all....that link is a huge spoiler
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 22, 2006, 08:14:53 PM
also, before they throw henry in the locker, you can see a picture on the wall behind jack of a hot air balloon. based on this i figured that henry's story has to be bullshit. that is, until i saw this: http://img135.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1282henryballoon5fu.jpg

Beware to all....that link is a huge spoiler

seriously. i read his post first obviously, so yeah, thanks. fix your post diggler.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 01:13:23 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 23, 2006, 01:40:47 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

You know me all too well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 23, 2006, 07:28:32 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

It just goes to show you that they know their audience.



Sun is so getting kidnapped this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 23, 2006, 07:40:47 AM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.
It just goes to show you that they know their audience.
yeah i feel like they were talking to the audience there. 

does anybody else think they're making charlie less and less likable so they can kill him off?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 23, 2006, 11:31:58 AM
does anybody else think they're making charlie less and less likable so they can kill him off?

Maybe. 

Does anyone else feel like Kate's turned into the character who occasionally pops up to help people out with their domestic problems, then disappears for the rest of the episode?  Such a waste.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 23, 2006, 12:44:51 PM
When Ana Lucia said the line "People don't like me," I had the immediate mental image of Macguffin yelling "You're damn right, bitch!" at his seven-foot TV.

i think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

apologies to everyone who clicked on my link before. i fixed the post   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 23, 2006, 01:56:30 PM
i think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

Wait. It that a spoiler, or wishful thinking?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 23, 2006, 04:16:56 PM
i think they're making a desperate attempt to build up her character before they kill her off. 

Wait. It that a spoiler, or wishful thinking?


i sure as hell hope it's a spoiler.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 24, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
SPOILERS (also, beware 24 spoiler)

Of course I had to click on that, even though I didnt want to. I still have my doubts about it. But based on next weeks description of the episode, I think Henry will have a big part (check the ABC website for that) and will definitely help Locke and Jack. The end, where he gives his theory of 'what could happen if it was a trap' was excellent... hope it would be true.

Somebody will definetly die before the end of the season, and I also think Charlie has the lucky number. He is boring anyways, and they already killed one of the hobbits (on a different show) so they just may kill this one too.

 I wish Kate and Hurley had more screen time. Although Kate and Sawyer will probably play a big part during May sweeps, and Hurley always has his 60 seconds of comedy in every episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 24, 2006, 12:14:31 PM
they already killed one of the hobbits (on a different show) so they just may kill this one too.

If that's the case, then Elijah Wood had better not be on Conan anytime soon.   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 29, 2006, 09:05:17 PM
wow i really liked it tonight. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 30, 2006, 01:23:14 AM
wow i really liked it tonight. 

Yeah... good stuff.  For one of the few times this season, I'm very excited and anxious for next week.

SORT OF SPOILERY STUFF (but not really)

Good batch of easter eggs in this ep, too: the woman whose house Locke was inspecting was Sayid's torture-girlfriend from Iraq, and I'm just about 100% convinced that Locke's dad is the "real" Sawyer, the one who conned Sawyer's parents when he was a kid.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 30, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
wow i really liked it tonight. 

Yeah... good stuff.  For one of the few times this season, I'm very excited and anxious for next week.

SORT OF SPOILERY STUFF (but not really)

Good batch of easter eggs in this ep, too: the woman whose house Locke was inspecting was Sayid's torture-girlfriend from Iraq, and I'm just about 100% convinced that Locke's dad is the "real" Sawyer, the one who conned Sawyer's parents when he was a kid.


MORE SPOILERY STUFF


WE KNOW WHERE THE FOOD COMES FROM!!!! (sort of) :multi:

I was disappointed about one thing: I had heard we would see what put Locke in the wheelchair last night.  Up until the end of the last flashback when Helen rejects his proposal, I kept saying, "OK, those guys are going to shoot Locke in the spine."  "Locke is going to run out into traffic after her car and get hit."  "Blue ice from the planes overhead will crush his lower back."  But nothing.

It's looking like Locke's dad is the real Sawyer but for that reason, I hope they don't do it.  He's the ONLY other con artist we've seen on the show.  Besides, how would that information be useful to Sawyer on the island?  I would only think it would prove itself important once they get off the island (if that is to happen), when Sawyer can go and find Locke's dad, and that's IF he decides to after shooting the wrong guy in Australia, which we know he has feelings of guilt over.  And Locke's dad/real Sawyer is too important to both of their backstories for it to just be another Magnolia moment for the audience like Locke and Nadia's overlap.

But could anyone make sense of what the announcement was saying?  I think the lockdown has to do with the food delivery and a friend of mine made the connection that the map might be showing how to get to the food, at least that's part of it.  I initially thought that the map was an escape route in case the numbers weren't put in but the blast doors don't come down if the numbers aren't put in so both those conditions would have to be met. 

I don't even know.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 31, 2006, 12:41:36 PM
SPOILERS

That was a good episode.

The map on the wall looked to me like a map of where all of the hatches on the island are maybe.

Ok, I had the episode downloaded so I paused it and it definitely is a diagram of the hatches. There's a big circle in the middle with a question mark in it surrounde by 6 hatches. They all have their symbols drawn on them. And then whoever wrote the map wrote "I AM HERE" next to the swan hatch.

Look (http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/9564/vlcsnap130179322pm.png)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 31, 2006, 02:07:37 PM
here's a crazy article about the map from entertainment weekly with close ups of the map that you can read.

http://www.ew.com/ew/article/commentary/0,6115,1178388_3_0_,00.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 05, 2006, 11:34:52 PM
Tonight's episode wasnt very exciting... I like Hurley and it was good to see the bald jewish guy from Sex & the City acting loco... but the episode in general was bad, slow, and not very exciting. It didnt make me believe for one second that what was happening for Hurley was true.

I also wanted to see more of what I guess we'll see next episode related to Henry Gale, the Hatch, etc. Last episode was so good, that this one dissapointed me.

Sawyer's remarks are always funny... last week when he told Hurley to go back to the buffet, and today when he was talking about open the mini-markets and hiring Sayid to work there... he is just funny. I'm also dying to see if he will ever find out about Locke and the real Sawyer... anyone remember the many conversations when Locke didnt want to call him Sawyer and pissing him off? Good stuff.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 06, 2006, 12:14:04 AM
Yeah, this episode may have been the most predictable one yet.

Speaking of predictability, I'll betcha money that he's building a church.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 06, 2006, 07:40:44 AM
yes i knew his friend was imaginary right away, (in a post-6th sense world you can no longer fool me if nobody else acknowledges him except the doctor who knows hes crazy), but i thought the places they went with it were great.  plus the backstory actually managed to shed more light on the hurley character unlike some other ones that have been more or less treading water.  he really IS crazy.  and the last moment was awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 06, 2006, 08:03:21 AM
Yeah, this episode may have been the most predictable one yet.

Speaking of predictability, I'll betcha money that he's building a church.

Yes.  And yes.  But it wasn't all bad.  Watching Hurley go Ralphie in A Christmas Story on Sawyer was worth all the contrivances.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 06, 2006, 12:53:39 PM
they never have two show stopping episodes in a row. this was another diversionary episode, although i must say that last reveal was pretty great.  i thought libby was a rather uninteresting character until this point. 

hurley: "no girl like you would ever like me"

libby: "it's a good thing i'm CRAZY!!" :yabbse-grin:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 06, 2006, 08:37:35 PM
it was a good enough episode, but that last moment was done so poorly, come on.  the dramatic music.  the slow pan. 

what it was revealed was cool.  the way it was done.  not so much. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on April 06, 2006, 08:57:38 PM
I would say that it was the best out of all the filler episodes. Hurley's story was interesting.

I wish they could find a better way to kill time on this show though. When they're killing time, you know they're killing time, and it's killing me. Most of these episodes could be shortened to half an hour and still say everything they need to. There's a difference between suspense and just dragging it out as long as you possibly can.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 10, 2006, 09:29:11 AM
Problem for me is they shouldnt be killing so much time having so many things going on and so much to resolve... damnit!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 12, 2006, 08:26:09 PM
Looks like RK was right.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on April 12, 2006, 09:25:17 PM
Tonight was kinda slow, but I liked it.  I'm a fan of those two and was looking forward to thier reunion throughout the first season and a half and was happy to get to see a little more, even though it was yet another kinda predictable episode.

Looks like RK was right.

wanna know how it ends?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 13, 2006, 01:19:56 AM
I liked how this was the first episode in a long time that actually seemed aware of how many different story threads the show is currently juggling, and tried to at least touch on all of them.

All I can say is, thank god for Henry Gale.  I dig that guy more and more with each self-satisfied smirk.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 13, 2006, 04:56:10 AM
i thought tonights was a repeat,  i read a whole article about it...damn.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 13, 2006, 01:47:37 PM
I liked how this was the first episode in a long time that actually seemed aware of how many different story threads the show is currently juggling, and tried to at least touch on all of them.

All I can say is, thank god for Henry Gale.  I dig that guy more and more with each self-satisfied smirk.

Agreed and agreed.

I have been behind for the past month or two, so I finally got caught up over the past week. The Henry Gale character has made season 2. It's such a dynamic story, completely showcasing the boundaries of friend/enemy relationships on the show. And that you know he's bad, but still want to trust what he says. Goddamn, he is so well written.

Hurley's episode was sooo boring and really, as has been said, contrived. Bruce Davison was nice, but even he couldn't save it. Yesterday's was pretty good, though I'd always imagined that they had been a couple for a long, long time. They seem to have the "I've known you forever" kinda relationship. But whatever. It's all pretty good, I'm excited to see what they do with the map, Kate and Jack, etc. And the entire episode, I was wondering where Michael had been for 7 or however many episodes. That's gonna be awesome.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 13, 2006, 05:39:00 PM
anyone else check micheals afro? finally some hair continuity!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 25, 2006, 07:47:39 PM
'Lost' Actress Chooses Jail Over Service

HONOLULU - "Lost" actress Michelle Rodriguez pleaded guilty on Tuesday to a single count of driving under the influence, choosing to pay a $500 fine and spend five days in jail rather than do 240 hours of community service.
 
Rodriguez, who portrays police officer Ana Lucia, and cast member Cynthia Watros were both charged with drunken driving after they were pulled over Dec. 1 in separate cars within 15 minutes of each other.

On Tuesday, a judge gave Rodriguez the option of jail time or community service.

She was to surrender to authorities at Kaneohe District Court later in the day.

Watros, who plays Libby on the ABC castaway drama, pleaded guilty to drunken driving in January and was fined $312, ordered to undergo an alcohol assessment and 14 hours of counseling. She also had her license suspended for 90 days.

Both Rodriguez and Watros were spotted weaving on a road in Kailua, on the island of Oahu, where "Lost" is filmed. Both failed field sobriety tests.

Rodriguez recorded a blood-alcohol level of 0.17, more than twice the legal limit of .08. Watros had a blood-alcohol level of 0.10.

In 2004, Rodriguez pleaded no contest in Los Angeles to three traffic violations, including drunken driving. She completed a three-month alcohol program and is serving a three-year probation term.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 26, 2006, 07:38:04 AM
I got excited until I saw the length of the sentence.

But then she could still get shanked in those five days.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 26, 2006, 07:04:07 PM
I got excited until I saw the length of the sentence.

But then she could still get shanked in those five days.

Dude, this is Michelle Rodriguez.  She could glare a shank dull.

I mean, just look at the woman:
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d179/polkablues/michellerodriguez3cm.jpg)

They're going to have to put her in solitary as a preventative measure....

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2006, 01:09:35 AM
AAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!  My Eyes!!!!! Feels Like Burning!

I'm Blind. Damn you, Polka. Damn you all to Hell!!!!



Rodriguez Blames Steroids for Bad Behavior

Lost star Michelle Rodriguez has blamed her drink driving and subsequent bad behavior on her use of steroids. The star was sentenced to serve five days in a Hawaiian jail Tuesday, after pleading guilty to a drink driving charge. The actress insisted in court the steroid injections she had been taking twice monthly to treat allergies to "dust and cockroach resin" made her "manic." She developed the allergies upon arriving in Hawaii last year, where she films her hit TV show. During her December arrest for drink driving in Hawaii, she screamed and yelled at officers, at one point daring them to "put a gun to my head and shoot me." She had to be carried into the police station because she sat down in the station garage and refused to stand up, according to a police source. She said in court, "I wasn't right in my head. None of that verbal behavior was directed towards them. It was directed towards myself." About her arrest, she said, "I personally am thankful that I was stopped because of the fact that I didn't acknowledge my own behavior and how sporadic it was until all hell broke loose in my life." While in court, Rodriguez also asked the judge to take into consideration that she only got her driver's license seven years ago, so she could do a "car racing movie" and that "all of my driving experience started and was acquired from a car racing school." The actress claims she's "lost everything" because of her drunken driving arrest and had to sell her house and car to help pay for legal costs. When asked why she chose jail time over 240 hours of community service, she said, "I kind of have to go back to my life, go back to making some money. This sort of gave me a hard hit."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on April 28, 2006, 09:41:21 AM
and she's got 'uuuuuuge nips!

Fuck hugh, Michelle Rodrodhugenips.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 01, 2006, 07:08:47 AM
www.abc.com is now offering online versions of some of their shows including, obviously, Lost. The epsiode has 3 30 second advertisements that you must watch if you want to see more than the first five minutes of the episode. The quality isn't amazing, nor can you watch it in full screen. But if I ever miss an episode and I'm feeling way too impatient/lazy to download a torrent, this might end up being pretty convenient.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 02, 2006, 07:46:02 PM
Buena Vista has announced Lost: The Complete Second Season - The Extended Experience (due 10/3, SRP $59.99) will be a 7-disc box set including all of the season's episodes, along with the Lost Connections interactive documentary, The Lost Flashbacks (unseen footage on the characters' backgrounds), 3 featurettes (Lost: On Location, Secrets of the Hatch and Fire and Water: Anatomy of an Episode), audio commentaries, bloopers, deleted scenes and more.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 03, 2006, 09:02:43 PM
FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 03, 2006, 09:03:32 PM
 :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:07:42 PM
PLAY THAT ENDING AGAIN!!

DAMNIT I HATE WATCHING THIS ON TV... HOW EASIER WOULD BE TO WATCH ALL THE EPISODES TOGETHER ON DVD... I CANT FUCKING WAIT!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 03, 2006, 09:10:45 PM
Holy Jesus Christ.

Why did "Henry Gale" say that Anna Lucia had killed 2 of their good people?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 03, 2006, 09:16:05 PM
Holy Jesus Christ.

Why did "Henry Gale" say that Anna Lucia had killed 2 of their good people?

She killed Goodwin and the other she fought with and killed during one of the raids on the tail section, when Eko killed those 2 guys.

FUCK YEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:20:59 PM
Did you see how Shannon also got killed right after she got laid? I guess thats why Jack and Kate havent done it yet... keep Kate alive!

This was huge... I'm still shocked... For anybody interested you should read todays ASK AUSIELLO on TVGuide.com. It's ALL LOST with several questions answered. Not many spoilers, nothing big, but its good.

SHOCKED!!!  :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 03, 2006, 09:38:06 PM
Did anyone see the ad for the 'Hanso Foundation?' Or am I just an idiot?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 09:42:42 PM
YES, I saw it

These guys are insane and they want to make us insane too!!!

http://www.thehansofoundation.org/
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 03, 2006, 10:06:00 PM
OK THIS IS INSANE!!!

Please call the number on the AD... 1877-HANSORG

ITS FUCKING CRAZY AND IM LOSING IT!!!

It gives you a password for the website, but I couldnt hear it. I have to call back later. Its like someone hacks into the phone while you are waiting in line for an operator and tells you the password for you to find the truth about the organization... its fucking brilliant...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 03, 2006, 10:59:17 PM
LOST

FUCKING

RULES


crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.

theory #2: michael learned some real crazy shit when he went away that he didn't tell anyone about and has bought into some others philosophy about the good ones and bad ones and done some business. 

theory #3: in order to make certain everyone will be as passionate about getting back walt as he is, he had to do this business.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Weak2ndAct on May 04, 2006, 12:27:48 AM
Spoilerific Q:

Chicken or the egg: Libby and Ana get killed off for getting DUIs, or get DUIs because they found out they're getting killed off?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2006, 12:30:23 AM
Besides the Ask Ausiello of this morning with Lindelof and Cuse, Ausiello Report had a last minute BLOG addition tonight following the Episode.

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

They answer the question about the DUI also...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2006, 01:18:05 AM
LOST

FUCKING

RULES


crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.

theory #2: michael learned some real crazy shit when he went away that he didn't tell anyone about and has bought into some others philosophy about the good ones and bad ones and done some business. 

theory #3: in order to make certain everyone will be as passionate about getting back walt as he is, he had to do this business.


Remember Claire's flashbacks to when they were keeping her in the hospital hatch?  The drugs they were giving her made her compliant and totally accepting of the situation she was in.  It looks like Michael's been given a big ol' dose of the good shit.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 04, 2006, 03:05:08 AM
SPOILER

I don't know. I'm leaning more towards mod's third theory. It was clear that he was going for his own arm so he could live but make it look like henry went on a shooting spree. But why he would stick around after that happening, I don't know. Plus, he already knows that they are going to get guns and go back with him so killing two people and shooting himself in the arm is completely unecessary.

God dammit, I just proved myself wrong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 04, 2006, 05:51:14 AM
SPOILER

First thought is that Michael was brainwashed.  He didn't mean to kill Libby, clearly meant to kill Michelle (perhaps in retaliation).  It looked to me like when he saw Henry Gale, it was like he had come for him.  In the previews of next week, I think it showed Michael in that cell all by himself, so maybe Henry left -- making Michael look innocent. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 04, 2006, 07:52:37 AM
SPOILER

I think it's as simple as the others telling Michael, "Do this and we'll give you Walt back."  He went on the whole first half of the season: "I'll do whatever I have to to get my boy back... my boy, my boy, my boy..."  This is the payoff.

Did you see how Shannon also got killed right after she got laid? I guess thats why Jack and Kate havent done it yet... keep Kate alive!

I thought the same thing.  And Libby was most certainly going to give up the goods to Hurley.

But Sun survived her "You're alive" bang with Jin...  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 04, 2006, 08:40:19 AM

crazy theory #1 (real crazy): not really michael.  sawyer was reading a manuscript called Evil Twin or something.  they've cloned Michael or gotten somebody to look just like him and sent him back to take care of business.  its pretty far out there, but that was my first thought.


heres the book:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/1401302769/sr=8-1/qid=1146749931/ref=pd_bbs_1/104-8683100-8699921?%5Fencoding=UTF8

Awesome episode, now its going to get really crazy I assume for the next 3 episodes. As a matter of fact, Aronofsky was supposed to direct the episode next wednesday. too bad, would have been sweet, my theory is that mike is in cahoots with the others to get his boy back. It was funny how Henry got Locke all confused with that "I came here to get you" line, love how Henry knows exactly how to push Locks buttons ("push buttons" hahah, oh yeah so who is doing that now, havent shown it in a while). That casting choice for Henry was just perfect. Oh yeah and wasn't that also crazy how we find out that Jack has a sister!?!?!?.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 04, 2006, 01:31:31 PM
Holy Fucking Shit. Mac should be rejoicing the fictional death of Michelle Rodriguez.

SPOILERS
mod, I think the bad twin thing was there just to fuck with people. goddamn, I want to know why Michael shot Ana Lucia. Also, what was the final conversation between Henry and Ana Lucia about? Were they just talking about Ana killing the others? Or was there something more to it?

This episode was amazing. Hurley will be so sad now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 01:44:53 PM

mod, I think the bad twin thing was there just to fuck with people.

No, it's a real book that's actually being released as a cross-promotional thing.  It's coming out as being written by that character that died on the plane.  It seems kind of lame to me that they're doing that, but since it supposedly doesn't have much to do with the actual island itself, it doesn't bug me too much.

Supposedly though, the fictional author "wrote" another book that is out of print and may be more Lost related.  Man, that sounds really confusing, I'm gonna stop thinking about it.

 

Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2006, 03:30:08 PM
Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.

I agree.  We have no reason to be certain that she is at this point.  Though she'll probably be unconscious long enough for confusion to reign.

And, having thought it over, I think hacksparrow's theory about Michael is the right one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on May 04, 2006, 03:45:23 PM
i gotta start watching this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 04, 2006, 04:17:42 PM
i gotta start watching this show.

and you gotta stop reading this thread until you're caught up
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 04, 2006, 04:50:16 PM
another theory. 

IF michael was telling the truth about there being about 22 savage-type people out there with bare feet and scraping by, its another plane crash.  not the others. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 04, 2006, 05:31:15 PM
(http://www.americanrhetoric.com/images/wizardofzwitchmelt6.JPG)

DING-DONG, THE WITCH IS DEAD,
THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD!

WHICH OL' WITCH?
THE WICKED WITCH.

DING-DONG, THE WICKED WITCH IS DEAD!!!





Hurley will be so sad now.

hmmm... he'll be sad, but I don't think she's dead.

I agree.  We have no reason to be certain that she is at this point.  Though she'll probably be unconscious long enough for confusion to reign.

"Lost" Star Finds New Show
Wed Apr 19, 2:55 PM ET

And another one bites the dust?
 
Try as the Lost writers might to keep a lid on series-shifting spoilers, when one of its stars is tapped to join another TV show, it would seem that that person's fate on the island is pretty much sealed.

(SPOILER ALERT: If you aren't interested in hearing about a possible death on Lost, read no further. And avoid the Internet for the next four weeks.)

According to the Hollywood Reporter, Cynthia Watros, who plays Hurley's love interest, Libby, has been cast in a CBS comedy pilot, calling into severe question her chances of making it out of Lost's second season alive.

Watros has signed on to star opposite Love Monkey's Tom Cavanagh in the sitcom My Ex-Life, centering on a divorced couple turned best buds who are sharing custody of their children. The show is aiming for a slot on CBS' fall schedule, which will be announced next month.

In what appears to be attempt to minimize revealing Lost plot points, the Reporter notes that Watros has committed to be a guest star and not a regular on the show. However, with her character being one of the two divorced parents in My Ex-Life, it seems that the guest star line is just a smoke screen.

Per usual, Lost producers aren't talking. They've already killed one regular this season--Shannon (Maggie Grace) was mistakenly gunned down by Ana-Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez)--but with tension mounting between the so-called Lostaways and the Others, it would be surprising if there wasn't at least one more grave to be dug on the island.

Watros is one of three full-time cast members to have joined Lost this season, along with Rodriguez and Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko). The three were among the "Tailies," those who were in the rear of the plane and survived on the other side of the island.

Fans, for one, have long been speculating on who would be the next Tailie to go, with early rumor-mongering centering on Rodriguez as the marked woman. Rodriguez and Watros were both arrested on DUI charges last year. Watros copped a plea and lost her license, but Rodriguez, who faces potentially more serious legal trouble because she's on probation in another case, decided to fight the rap and is set to go to trial next week. Tabloid reports have suggested that Rodriguez is a disruptive force on the set, and her character has never endeared herself to Lost's die-hard fans after killing Shannon.

But producers sought to quell predictions of Ana-Lucia's demise--or at least create a misdirection--saying that her personal life would not affect her tenure on the show.

Further suggesting that Watros may be, well, lost forever, is the industry precedent of offing stars who land pilot gigs on other networks.

The most notable would be Drea de Matteo, who, despite proclamations to the contrary, met her demise on The Sopranos shortly after signing on to Joey. More recently, 24's Dennis Haysbert (President Palmer) announced last year he had joined the CBS drama The Unit. By the end of this season's first episode, President Palmer was dead.

Lost ends its second season with a special two-hour finale May 24. In the meantime, pray for Libby.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2006, 07:26:38 PM
They said that before... I read it a week ago... but also somebody said that it was only a pilot so nothing was confirmed... so who knows.

How ironic is the whole thing... I was just thinking...

At the beginning of the episode when Episode is ALMOST killing Ana Lucia I thought it was going to happen and it didnt. When it didnt, I was like.. of course they are not killing her yet. Then she wants revenge, so she gets the gun from Sawyer to kill Henry. That gun ends up killing her because she doesnt have the guts to finish the job. Poor bitch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 05, 2006, 09:17:48 PM
"Lost" Book Clues In Fans

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Bad Twin has only been available for three days, but the book has already nabbed endorsements from two high-profile names: Sawyer and Hurley.
 
Hyperion Books released the mystery novel Tuesday, marking one small step for Lost promotional tie-ins and one giant leap from fiction to reality.

The book, written by fictitious Oceanic Flight 815 passenger Gary Troup—for those without their decoder rings, his name is an anagram of "purgatory"—is being billed as the last manuscript from the author, who supposedly dropped the book off at his publisher just days before perishing on the made-for-TV flight.

ABC announced plans to market the character's book last November and have since managed to crowbar in several scenes which find castaways perusing the manuscript, which miraculously managed to survive the crash, the ocean, the fires and the routine pillages by the seemingly illiterate Others with all its pages in tact.

Just as miraculously, the completed book also managed to find its way to a Disney-owned publishing house.

"We got this manuscript from this guy and we couldn't reach him," Hyperion president Bob Miller told the Associated Press. "He apparently got on this plane in Australia and has been lost at sea."

The book's cover features a tantalizing selling point for would-be Troup fans, declaring the mystery "His Final Novel Before Disappearing on Oceanic Flight 815."

The plot, pieced together for fans who may actually read the book and not just scan lines for clues pertaining to the series, centers on the detective Paul Artisan who is hired to track down the "bad twin" Zander Widmore by his "good twin" Cliff. Along the way, Artisan enlists the help of a good buddy who just so happens to be well-versed in biblical parables and metaphors on the meaning of life.

As expected, Bad Twin is chalk full of cheeky references to the primetime juggernaut, including several mentions of the 17th century philosopher John Locke (that's the sound of legions of Lost fans perking up), a makeshift boat named "Escape Hatch," allusions to life being complicated and unable to be boiled down to something as simple as, say, "a string of numbers," and of course, most of the action takes place on a mysterious—and fictional—island.

"As with every island, there was something slippery and mysterious about Peconciquot," the book reads, per an excerpt from the Toronto Sun. "It was connected to the larger world, and then again it wasn't. It had a logic of its own, a highly local mythology that made perfect sense within its confines yet fitted uneasily with the mind-habits of the world beyond its boundaries."

That clears that up.

For those fans wishing to check out more of Troup's work, they may want to dig up his first novel, The Valenzetti Equation. That is, if it actually existed they might. The book is described as centering on a mathematical equation which predicts the apocalypse and while no more specifics have been released, it's likely Lost fans could hazard an accurate guess as to which numbers may be involved in the solution.

Still, should fans decide to crack open Bad Twin, they'd be in good, albeit fake, company.

On Lost's Feb. 8 episode, Hurley pulled the immaculately preserved manuscript from the plane's wreckage and just this week, unlikely bookworm Sawyer was happened upon extolling the literary merits of the whodunit.

Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds. Most likely, the book was a committee effort.

But for those who just aren't into the whole reality thing, an interview with Troup has been made available on Amazon.com.

Lost's season finale airs May 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 06, 2006, 01:09:02 AM
Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds.

Thereby catapulting Dan Brown to the top of the speculation list.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 06, 2006, 09:32:55 AM
Of course, thinly-veiled as the novel may be, one mystery still remains: Who actually wrote it. While Stephen King and Ridley Pearson, both self-confessed fans of the show, have drawn speculation as the author, harsh critics dismiss the theory, claiming the tome is too poorly written to come from the mystery masterminds.

Thereby catapulting Dan Brown to the top of the speculation list.

There's an easy way to determine this.  If the last lines of each chapter sound like they would be good places to stick commercial breaks were it on TV, then it's Dan Brown. 

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 08, 2006, 02:14:22 PM
Interview: J.J. Abrams
The co-writer and director of M:i:III!

IGN FilmForce recently took part in a conference call interview with J.J. Abrams, the co-writer and director of Mission: Impossible III, his feature film helming debut. Abrams is currently one of the most powerful creative forces in U.S. television, having created such series as the powerhouse Lost, the departing Alias and the past hit Felicity.

Abrams spoke to the press about the rigors of making M;I:III, as well as what fans of Lost and Alias can look forward to:

Q: And with Lost, do you have to come with a season cliffhanger that will top the hatch in the last season?

Abrams: I can tell you that Damon Lindelof has done just that. The ending of this year of Lost blows the ending of last season out of the water. It is an incredible finale.

Q: But there has not been like a single thing… like last year, the hatch was sort of a dominant mystery. Now there is so many. What is the one thing that you can leave hanging?

Abrams: You will see what happens but I can tell you that a lot of it has been there and has been building from the beginning of this season. It is not out of the blue, but what happens at the very end of this year is… for me, it is like the greatest finale I have ever heard.


FUCK YEAH
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 10, 2006, 12:30:22 PM
Lost in 'Lost'
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

One theory posits a huge psychological experiment. Another tinkers with numerical analysis. Other schools of thought examine collective consciousness, electromagnetism and theology.
 
An Ivy League seminar? Hardly. It's speculation about the meaning of Lost, the second-season ABC drama (tonight, 9 ET/PT). Devout online followers slide each episode under the microscope, seeking to answer questions that go far beyond if and when castaways will get off their mysterious island.

Though some fans would seem to be putting in the time necessary to earn a Ph.D. - and numerous Ph.D.s analyze the show - a CliffsNotes may be in order for new students. Lost follows the survivors of a Sydney-to-Los Angeles flight that broke apart and crashed on a tropical island. After encountering an inchoate "monster," a polar bear and other odd doings in the 2004 premiere, junkie rocker Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) asked a question that still consumes fans: "Where are we?"

Some devotees seek a unified theory that explains the mysterious island, why these particular people are there and why no rescuers have arrived more than a month after the crash.

The show's producers say that there is no single explanation and that a simple answer would leave viewers dissatisfied. "We go on record saying, 'Here's what it's not,' " says Damon Lindelof, who created Lost with J.J. Abrams (Alias, Mission: Impossible III).

Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, the executive producers who oversee Lost, say the survivors are not dead and trapped in some kind of purgatory. Nor does Lost take place as a dream or hallucination in one character's mind - a concept they call "the snow-globe theory," after the hospital drama St. Elsewhere, which was revealed in its 1988 finale to have all taken place in the snow globe of an autistic boy.

That doesn't deter cybersleuths who are enamored of those theories. "What's cool about the fan community is that it doesn't seem to care what we say or don't say," Lindelof says.

To encourage extensive analysis, Lindelof, Cuse and the writing staff have seeded Lost with so many clues that they can't fit them all in a TV show. The series has jumped wholeheartedly into multimedia synergy, creating everything from Lost-related websites (such as www.thehansofoundation.org) to spinoff books (Bad Twin, a real novel written by fictional Gary Troup, one of the passengers on Oceanic Flight 815) that may or may not provide helpful hints.

Last week, ABC inserted a faux Hanso Foundation commercial during the show to launch the Lost Experience, a parallel Internet hunt designed to give players additional clues but not affect the viewing experience of those who don't play.

The maturation of Internet communication has led to a level of scrutiny and viewer/writer interaction above and beyond such spellbinding ancestors as Twin Peaks, The X-Files and Buffy the Vampire Slayer. With thousands of fans collecting string - or expounding on String Theory - viewers can feast on a thesis's worth of analysis every week at sites such as thefuselage.com, lost-tv.com, lost-forum.com and lost.cubit.net.

"With Lost, there are so many ways to interact ... that there's so much more of a community that gets into more research and more levels of discussion," says Lynnette Porter, an associate professor in humanities at Florida's Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University and co-author of Unlocking the Meaning of Lost: An Unauthorized Guide.

Last week, viewers got plenty to ponder when Michael (Harold Perrineau), single-minded in his pursuit of kidnapped son Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), shot fellow survivors Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) and Libby (Cynthia Watros). Tonight, fans will get more information on the underground hatch that is a remnant of a huge island psychosocial experiment, the Dharma Initiative. Appropriately, the episode is titled "?," named for the question mark in the center of what appears to be an island map.

The season's final episodes also will offer a resolution to the situation of Michael and Walt, who was seen at times as an apparition, and the survivors will prepare to take on The Others, a mysterious group who kidnapped Walt. Desmond, the man discovered in the hatch at the start of the season, will return as well, and viewers will learn why the plane crashed.

The theories

Lindelof and Cuse, speaking from Lost's Hawaii set last week as they wrapped up Season 2 and outlined Season 3, say there are too many questions for a simple explanation. "We know where they're at and what's going on, but that wouldn't qualify as a unifying theory," Lindelof says. Numerous questions yield multiple answers, they say.

"One layer speaks to electromagnetism, another to psychological experimentation, another to why they can see Walt. Coming up with one answer that unifies all those things is next to impossible. Hopefully, every sublayer will be explained" by the end, they say.

Although the theorizers are Lost's most intense and vociferous fan group, the producers say they ultimately have to focus on the much larger audience of casual viewers, developing characters and relationships to retain their interest. (Lost is averaging 15.3 million viewers this season, ranking 15th among prime-time shows.)

For those who want to analyze, however, they welcome speculation. "We don't want to eliminate too many theories," Cuse says. "What people enjoy about the show is being able to theorize."

That they do. From websites to Entertainment Weekly, trying to figure it all outhas become a participatory sport. Prominent theories and areas of investigation:

•Island as laboratory This season's revelation of the Dharma Initiative, a secret organization with a stated goal of human betterment, led many to embrace the theory that Lost is a huge experiment. The Hanso Foundation, which has ties to Dharma and delves into such topics as mental health and life extension, also suggests social-science tinkering. The hatch, which requires a recurring sequence of numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42) be punched into a computer every 108 minutes, suggests a Skinner Box, named for famed psychologist B.F. Skinner.

•Electromagnetism This was an early favorite after a compass wouldn't work properly in the first season. Theorists note the shadowy Hanso Foundation conducts research in this field, and the hatch was designed for such study. This theory may help explain the malfunction of the plane's instruments.

•Time-space continuum In physics, String Theory suggests other dimensions of space and time, which could help explain why rescuers haven't found the castaways. Shifts in time could help explain why a medical facility where pregnant Claire (Emilie de Ravin) was held looked as if it had been abandoned for years when survivors discovered it just weeks later, Porter says. A website credited to ABC parent Disney (www.oceanicflight815.com) also raises the question of time: A baggage claim ticket for survivor Jack Shephard (Matthew Fox) appears to be dated Sept. 21, 2009.

•The numbers The appearance of the sequence on a winning lottery ticket owned by survivor Hurley (Jorge Garcia) has spawned a cottage industry of number crunchers. One theory says they match up to the retired uniform numbers of New York Yankees. Producers have reacted to fans' interest in the numbers, featuring them on everything from field hockey uniforms to police cars, Porter says.

•Collective consciousness Past connections among survivors - Sawyer drinking with Jack's father, Jack's father hiring Ana Lucia, Locke working for Hurley's company - have led many to surmise that those links are tied to their presence on the island. The psychic aura of the island raises the question of whether characters are insinuating themselves into each other's consciousness in the individual characters' flashbacks that are a Lost signature, says Porter's co-author David Lavery, a professor at Middle Tennessee State University.

With speculation comes disagreement, which may be half the fun. Orson Scott Card, author of the best-selling Ender's Game science-fiction series, says a collective-consciousness theme would turn whatever solid ground viewers can count on into quicksand. "One thing we're counting on is that the back stories are true," says Card, who is editing an upcoming book of essays, Getting Lost: Survival, Baggage and Starting Over in J.J. Abrams' Lost, due in August.

Lost may be teasing viewers at times, too. Producers say it isn't purgatory, but the name Gary Troup is an anagram for that transitional realm, Porter says.

Lost's many literary and philosophical allusions don't provide specific explanations, but they offer a cornucopia of considerations. Characters bear the names of famed philosophers Locke and Rousseau. The novel Watership Down is about rabbits that must flee their warren, and tesseracts, or time ripples, are found in A Wrinkle in Time, two of the many books read on the island.

An Ambrose Bierce story on Lost's reading list, An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, toys with the snow-globe theory, telling the story of a man who thinks he has escaped hanging only to find it occurred in his own mind just before he is hanged. But Lavery points to Bierce's The Damned Thing, which is about an invisible monster.

Other essayists cite philosopher Francis Bacon and mathematician René Descartes in their musings. "I think Lost, more than anything else on TV to date, provides a forum for philosophical and critical discussion," says Amy Bauer, an assistant professor of music at the University of California-Irvine who moderates a peer-reviewed online journal, The Society for the Study of Lost (www.loststudies.com).

Everything about Lost is designed for analysis, says Joyce Millman, who wrote one of the Getting Lost essays. She credits the writers with "a rich variety of references: scientific, biblical, pop-cultural, literary, historical, philosophical."

Millman, whose essay is called Game Theory, sees Lost's structure attracting fans via familiarity: She thinks it works like an interactive video game. "The story line and the action develop on multiple levels. There are hidden clues that function like the Easter eggs in gaming," Millman says. "Lost is a big game, and the act of watching it forces you to play along."

The nature of theorizing

Trying to make sense of mystery is human nature. "That's what people like to do. We see all these patterns, and we try to make meaning out of them," Porter says.

Lindelof and Cuse say other Lost writers monitor the fan theories and websites because they don't want to get drawn into just serving that audience. But they learn from and respond to fan concerns. Dissatisfaction with the number of answers in last season's finale has led to more of them in this season's final, two-hour episode May 24.

Some fans are "surprisingly close" with theories, Lindelof says, but don't have "enough information yet to totally get there."

Card enjoyed the first season more and says he's not certain Lost is revealing answers quickly enough. Its future success depends on providing enough answers and making them complicated enough to be worth the fans' commitment.

"Real suspense comes from answers, not questions. Suspense comes not from wondering what's going on but from wondering what happens next," he says. "If you withhold answers, it becomes impossible to satisfy."

Some fans will never be satisfied with the pace or quality of Lost's answers. Others wonder whether the producers can maintain their brilliant balancing act of characters, mystery and allusions. "The producers have ... set the bar very high," Bauer says.

At least one dedicated fan leans more toward Zen than analysis. As in life, not everything in Lost will make sense, nor does it need to, says Charlie Starr, another Getting Lost essayist and a teacher of English and humanities at Kentucky Christian University in Grayson.

"Maybe we're not supposed to be theorizing. Maybe we're supposed to surrender to it. We've got to be people who can handle mystery, to surrender to the text and let it take us where it wants to," says Starr, referencing English poet John Keats. "With Lost, maybe the best thing to do is simply to watch with a sense of wonder and surprise."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 10, 2006, 10:20:15 PM
I loved the playing with dreams and visions in this episode, very nice. Can't wait for the end of this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2006, 10:39:03 PM
SPOILERS

Libby went out exactly as I expected.

Marvin Candle's idle arm was moving in this orientation.

The psychic was lying to Eko about being a fraud just to make sure he would get on Flight 815.  If he was really a fraud, he wouldn't have bought a pregnant girl a plane ticket to LA.

I wish Aronofsky had directed this episode, just to see what he would have done.


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 11, 2006, 12:17:30 PM
Oh, wow I didn't even notice that was the same psychic that Claire went to.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 11, 2006, 12:54:16 PM
i didn't recognize the face either but my girlfriend insisted it was.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 11, 2006, 02:51:10 PM
SPOILERS

Marvin Candle's idle arm was moving in this orientation.



He also gave a different name if I am not mistaken?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 11, 2006, 03:01:29 PM
Anyone else thing that the fact that both DUI ladies were killed in the same episode?

I mean the writers claimed that Killing off Ana Lucia had been planned since the begining and they in fact thought about NOT killing her when the DUI came up, but it seems like a strange place to kill Libby... she still had that Hurley mystery going on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 11, 2006, 06:39:31 PM
It seems like the production window would be a little tight for this not to have been planned ahead of time.

I'm picturing Damon Lindelof browsing through The Smoking Gun, spotting the mug shots, and frantically dialing the writing staff: "KILL THEM OFF!!! NOW! BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 11, 2006, 06:48:16 PM
Anyone else thing that the fact that both DUI ladies were killed in the same episode?

Spoilerific Q:

Chicken or the egg: Libby and Ana get killed off for getting DUIs, or get DUIs because they found out they're getting killed off?



The announcement of Aronofsky directing an episode came October 27. The DUIs happened December 2nd. Someone do the math.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 11, 2006, 06:59:58 PM
If you all read the Ausiello Report from last week and this week you will see it was planned. Both of them. And Epsiodes are written way before they are shot, and way before the DUIs happened. The Ausiello Report has a very good interview with Lindelof and Cuse about both deaths.

www.tvguide.com
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 13, 2006, 09:07:40 PM
Just finished reading the book. It was funny because there is a character named Cindy who is a flight attendant, and I was reading the book on the plane and the flight attendant was named Cindy. Anyhow, the book is very good. There are many LOST references and connections, but nothing major and I didnt find any "clues" or anything. Its a good way to market and sell the book, but Im not sure if its meant to do anything else.

I recommend it just as a good book... and for us Lost fans and people interested in the biz in general, its cool to see the many products and ideas that can come out of one clever and successful thing such as Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on May 14, 2006, 12:51:38 PM
You should change your name to "Sucka"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on May 14, 2006, 06:27:10 PM
Then we could say "Duck, You Sucka"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 14, 2006, 07:54:31 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 14, 2006, 10:34:56 PM
 :drool:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 15, 2006, 09:21:27 AM
Just finished reading the book. It was funny because there is a character named Cindy who is a flight attendant, and I was reading the book on the plane and the flight attendant was named Cindy. Anyhow, the book is very good. There are many LOST references and connections, but nothing major and I didnt find any "clues" or anything. Its a good way to market and sell the book, but Im not sure if its meant to do anything else.

I recommend it just as a good book... and for us Lost fans and people interested in the biz in general, its cool to see the many products and ideas that can come out of one clever and successful thing such as Lost.


I thought I read somewhere or heard on one of the various audio/video clips that have been planted on the internets that the Cindy in the book is based on the "real" Cindy on the show, that she is his girlfriend. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 17, 2006, 01:37:08 PM
'Lost' fans won't find reruns
ABC's prime-time president mollifies the hit show's audience by banning repeats. Twelve new series are due.
Source: Los Angeles Times

NEW YORK — Yes, Virginia, there is a Santa Claus and his name is Steve McPherson. The ABC president of prime-time entertainment bestowed a generous gift upon the legions of "Lost" fans Tuesday morning in Manhattan, promising: No More Repeats.

"Lost," whose unpredictable schedule of reruns throughout the season annoyed fans so much that the website IsLostARepeat.com was launched to keep track, will return in the fall with seven original episodes, and then go on hiatus until January or February, when it will return to the schedule with straight original episodes until May, McPherson said at a news conference at the annual television "upfronts," at which the networks' fall lineups are announced for advertisers.
 
The exec had something in his bag for "Grey's Anatomy" fans as well, announcing that Dr. McDreamy and company are moving to Thursday nights next fall.

It was a lot to take in, and that does not even count all the new characters in the 12 new shows that will grace the ABC schedule next year. Which is why "Grey's Anatomy" is being moved, so ABC can use it to launch "Six Degrees," a new drama by J.J. Abrams ("Lost," "Mission: Impossible III") and his company, Bad Robot, about six New Yorkers who go about their lives without realizing the effect they will have on one another.

"If anybody has seen ["Grey's"] lately, and if you saw it last night, there's certainly not a better show on television," McPherson said. "There may be a show as good, but I congratulate whoever's show that is…. The two-hour block of 'Grey's' and 'Six Degrees' for us is incredibly strong … and with the comedies leading into it, it really establishes another place on the schedule for us."

...

When it comes to "Lost," it's all about the fans. "Lost" will stay in its current Wednesday time slot and run for seven episodes in the fall. Then ABC will launch "Day Break," starring Taye Diggs as a detective who literally lives the same day over and over — and it's a bad one — for 13 weeks.

"We really listened to the fans," McPherson said. " 'Lost' is a show people really love. They make an appointment for. They absolutely just get furious when it's in repeat."

The show's executive producers, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof, said on Tuesday that they loved the new schedule and would design the third season around the new air order.

"Now when 'Lost' is on, it's on," Cuse wrote in an e-mail. "And the audience doesn't have to wait all the way until the spring for the show to return, which given the cliffhanger nature of our finale would be too long. We're incredibly excited about it. It allows us to really keep the momentum of our particular type of storytelling."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 17, 2006, 09:09:18 PM
^ awesome.

"they're not who they say they are.  they're pretending"

i CANNOT wait for next week. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 17, 2006, 09:19:45 PM
Of course for the first time in a long while I'm not gonna be home next Wednesday...it won't be the same on VHS! 

I completely forgot what Walt looked like.  I could've sworn he looked way different.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 17, 2006, 09:24:14 PM
he looked way younger.  next season (if he makes it) he'll probably have a beard like michael.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 17, 2006, 10:11:08 PM
he looked different yeap...

I calso cant wait... and I'm going to be on a plane all night Wednesday... which means I will have to download it the following day... it sucks!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 17, 2006, 11:06:21 PM
2 hours after the show aired and not one person here mentioned the fact that TWO Magnolia cast members were on tonight's show?   :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 18, 2006, 02:58:10 PM
2 hours after the show aired and not one person here mentioned the fact that TWO Magnolia cast members were on tonight's show?   :saywhat:

April Grace even came across as a weird alternate-reality version of her Magnolia character.  "I'd like to ask you some questions..."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 18, 2006, 03:14:46 PM
"they're not who they say they are.  they're pretending"

i CANNOT wait for next week.

But that's not anything new. We already knew that when Kate found the beard in the locker and Mr. Friendly, sans beard, was in Claire's flashbacks in the medical hatch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on May 18, 2006, 07:23:32 PM
other than April Grace, who else from Magnolia was on the show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 18, 2006, 07:56:17 PM
other than April Grace, who else from Magnolia was on the show?

Michael Bowen, who played Stanley's dad, was the first Other Michael walked up on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 18, 2006, 10:36:59 PM
i thought that was him, (from kill bill also right?)  but he looked significantly differnet the longer i looked at him so i figured it was not him.  but i recognized the other one for sure.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 18, 2006, 11:00:01 PM
SPOILER

When he dragged Walt into tent, I wanted Walt to say, "I need you to start treating me better."  But it never happened.  *sigh*
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 18, 2006, 11:45:39 PM
So is Locke sailing the boat? 
Next week is gonna be INSANE.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 19, 2006, 08:39:32 AM
Desmond?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 19, 2006, 11:24:06 AM
my beef with michael is that he never listens to what other people says to him. i was thinking what the cute girl, the french chick's daughter, was saying to him. that the others is not as hostile as they seem to be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 19, 2006, 12:58:28 PM
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SPOILER ALERT! Major plotlines revealed!

Among the many theories that have been formulated to explain the island, the monster, the numbers, and the 666 additional mysteries lurking within ABC's Emmy-winning drama Lost, the most popular is that the passengers of Oceanic flight 815 are stuck in purgatory. But here in a lush thicket of jungle on Oahu, life bears a closer resemblance to a ring of hell reserved for torturing pretty Hollywood actors.

In the shadow of a crooked tree, Matthew Fox (Jack) and Evangeline Lilly (Kate) bat away hungry gnats dive-bombing their glistening skin. Outside the vine-choked doors of the hatch, Harold Perrineau (Michael) is being painted with sticky fake blood. And stomping through the underbrush is Josh Holloway (Sawyer), his dimpled mug pinched with panic. Things are a little crazy around here today, since sequences for the final four hours of Lost's brilliantly puzzling second season are being shot concurrently. And — oops — Holloway prepared for the wrong scene. Now he's cramming for a cumbersome mouthful of typical Sawyer snark. '''The artist formerly known as Henry Gale' — what is that?'' says the actor, shaking his head. He asks if he can ditch the tricky quip. Nope. Make it work, he's told.

And he does, though the scene itself ends tragically, with Jack and the gang learning that Ana Lucia (Michelle Rodriguez) and Libby (Cynthia Watros) have been shot — by Michael, no less, though he has pinned their murders on that duplicitous Gale guy. Now the stage has been set for a fateful confrontation with the ominous, jungle-dwelling Others in the two-hour May 24 season finale. ''Being the one who pulled the trigger was freaky,'' says Perrineau. ''The hatch used to feel like a safe haven. Now ghosts live there.'' Burying his wildly bearded face in his hands, he half jokes: ''Why am I doing this career? I don't have to kill anyone if I work construction!''

Such is the soul-searching that takes place when you're part of the most enigmatic enterprise on television. In fact, a visit to the set of the cult pop phenomenon suggests a new Big Theory for the show: Lost has become an allegory for itself. A group of people on an island, their fates shaped by unseen, life-threatening Others — namely, the show's Burbank-based writers, and the 15.3 million viewers who are simultaneously fascinated by and frustrated with its peekaboo plot development. ''I've never had a truer sense of not knowing what the hell is going on than I've had working on this show,'' says Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje (Mr. Eko). ''The only way you can influence your fate is to put your soul into your performance and hope it registers with the audience.''

If there were ever a time for Lost's cast to make a good impression, it would be now. In a clearing of crunchy grass, the nefarious Mr. Friendly (M.C. Gainey) twirls a bolo and barks at his fellow Others: ''Don't shoot! We need him.'' At the beach, long-lost button pusher Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) chugs from a bottle of booze and spills a secret. (Hint: It's sick.) Down in the hatch, Eko mops up Libby's blood and speaks of damnation. And as they load their weapons, Jack and Sawyer bond over the memory of Ana Lucia. ''At least I get to kill somebody now,'' says Sawyer, cocking his shotgun with an emphatic crack. ''Brutal'' is how Naveen Andrews (Sayid) describes the finale. ''People here are scared. They want to know if they're going to survive.''

Fox, on the other hand, calls it ''mind-blowing. It leaves us scattered and vulnerable in the face of a larger foe — or who we think is a larger foe — and walks us right up to the start of next season.''

Executive producer Damon Lindelof vows a darker and more revealing finale than last year's still-unresolved Walt-napping, and that inconclusive peek into the hatch. This time, we'll see Walt again, learn what caused Oceanic flight 815 to crash, find out what that mysterious button actually does (if anything), and more. Lost co-pilots Lindelof and Carlton Cuse are already sweating the feedback. Their sophomore-season ambition was to spin a complex and surprisingly personal story that pushed the Lost saga to a defining moment. Now it's time to face the judges. ''I feel like we've been practicing a dive in anticipation of the Olympics,'' says Lindelof. ''But until we break through the surface, and hear the audience reaction, we won't know if we've executed it.''

Secrets and lies, scams and conspiracies, mystical visions and mind games, all embedded with densely coded allusions and other distracting tidbits — that's been the Matrix-y stuff of Lost's second year, one that was perfectly epitomized by the big reveal of the island's fabled monster: a tentacle of billowing black smoke, flickering with fleeting images. Lost used to be merely intriguing: Now it's about as shifty as a White House press conference. ''Season 1 was about 'Here we are,''' explains Lindelof. ''Season 2 has been going deeper: 'What is our reality? Are we really here? Is this even a place on the planet?'''

Lindelof and Cuse (who came aboard when co-creator J.J. Abrams left after Lost's seventh episode to direct Mission: Impossible III) began sussing out season 2 last spring by brainstorming the contents of the show's Pandora's box: the hatch, a quarantined bunker buried beneath the jungle. The producers always had some general ideas, but now they had specific names. Desmond. Alvar Hanso. Dr. Marvin Candle. The Dharma Initiative. And the button, a computer key that must be pushed every 108 minutes lest...something happen. ''When they pitched the button, my first reaction was 'No f---ing way!' And I mean that in a good way,'' says ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson, who denies rumors that the network mandated the hit series steer clear of the sci-fi side of the road. ''I'm constantly amazed by their imaginations.''

Lost's shepherds are also deep-thinking guys whose soulful concerns are imprinted on the show. Lindelof, 33, and Cuse, 47, both speak of spiritual awakenings during adulthood; they aspire to use Lost as a vehicle to tell stories of redemption and, according to Cuse, explore the question of ''how does one lead a life.'' During the show's conception, Lindelof was grappling with an array of internal debates prompted by the death of his father. At the same time, he was falling in love with his future wife, and finding the spiritual connection he was seeking through exposure to her Catholic beliefs. ''For me,'' he says, ''Lost is about meaning — and the search for meaning.''
 
For the actors tasked with embodying this journey, season 2 has required a risky leap of faith, and not just because they're usually kept in the dark about the plot. (Says Yunjin Kim, who plays Sun: ''When a character reaches some kind of redemption, perhaps it's time to start packing your bag.'') The cast was warned that new characters and an infusion of island mythology were likely to yield a different kind of show from season 1 — and less screen time. ''It hasn't been easy,'' says Dominic Monaghan (Charlie). ''I like to work. You just have to submit to the storytelling.'' Adds Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin: ''The challenge for all the actors now is to find our place in the mythology. Because clearly, if there is no place for us, we won't be around. The deaths on this show have shown that.''

Even the second season's central figures have wrestled with Lost's evolving texture, perhaps none more so than Terry O'Quinn, who has gone from boar-hunting mystic to hatch-trapped cosmic victim. ''I've told the producers that I miss the old John Locke,'' says O'Quinn. ''I wish he hadn't found those damn buttons sometimes. But these ups and downs reflect everybody's. You can't always choose the way things go. That's life.'' But those who persevere are rewarded with enlightenment. Holloway says he was baffled and bothered by all the fat jokes that producers were giving Sawyer to lob at Hurley (Jorge Garcia), not knowing they were setting the stage for Hurley's meltdown in April 5's trippy, I-see-imaginary-friends episode. Says Holloway: ''That's when I learned [to] trust these writers. They know what they're doing.''

Wellll...almost. They did cast Michelle Rodriguez as Ana Lucia, whose surly portrayal of the haunted cop polarized audiences. ''In the case of Michelle, there seemed to be a split in opinion over what she was like as an actor and what she was like as a character,'' concedes Cuse. But ''we feel Michelle fulfilled the role we wrote for her.'' Ana Lucia's death, he adds, was always part of the plan, and in fact, the Blue Crush star requested a one-year tour of duty. But her rough edges did scuttle plans for a romance with Jack, and contributed to the decision to make the May 10 episode a double homicide. Watros, however, wasn't initially marked for death: ''We worried [Ana Lucia's] death might not have the [same] emotional resonance as if we had killed a sympathetic character. By adding Libby to the death toll, it would really intensify the audience's feeling toward Michael going into the final episodes,'' explains Cuse, who denies that Rodriguez and Watros were targeted because of their much-publicized arrests for drunk driving. While producers declined to reveal their original intentions for Libby, they will say that Hurley's secret loony-bin admirer will pop up in Desmond's flashback in the season finale, as well as other characters' flashbacks next year. (While Watros recently shot a CBS comedy pilot, she'll still be available for future Lost episodes.)

Additional plans for Lost's third season are also taking shape. There will be new locations and new characters (one rumor has Desmond joining the cast full-time, but producers won't comment). The season's big theme sounds timely, twisty, and terrifying. Hints Lindelof: '''Us versus Them.' But who's the 'us,' and who's the 'them'?'' And perhaps the most promising tease of all for Lost fans will be a welcome change in ABC's erratic, repeat-heavy scheduling of the show, which the producers believe has hindered their serialized storytelling. McPherson doesn't disagree. ''The ideal schedule for this series would be to run for 22 consecutive weeks,'' he says. ''But we have a 35-week season. We are looking at a number of scenarios, like the possibility of three huge chunks.''

Of course, another theory could explain why Lost is down about 200,000 viewers from last year (and it's not just because it now faces American Idol's results show): Some viewers may simply have reached ambiguity overload. Truth is, Lost has to be judicious about plot development. Lindelof and Cuse say they would love to write the drama knowing that it had an end point, ideally about five seasons. But Cuse believes the show can survive on character-driven redemption tales for years, and both he and Lindelof recognize that Lost must deliver the goods, however long it's on the air. ''The more I hear about disgruntled Americans who believe there never was an exit strategy for Iraq, the more I understand why they want to know that the story we're telling has a...well, an exit strategy,'' says Lindelof. ''If they can't get answers to mysteries in real life, they most definitely want answers on their TV sets on Wednesday nights. And they deserve them.''

What those answers will be remains to be seen. Fox, at least, is willing to say what one of them won't be. ''Nobody is going to wake up on this show and mysteriously end up somewhere else.'' Promise? ''That's a promise.''

Told of Fox's pledge, Lindelof betrays a mischievous smirk. ''Well, then,'' he says, ''I guess we're going to have to do that.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 23, 2006, 12:37:11 AM
'Lost' Actress Rodriguez Sentenced Again

LOS ANGELES - Actress Michelle Rodriguez, who served five days in jail in Hawaii last month for drunk driving, must serve 60 days for violating her probation with that arrest, a spokesman for the city attorney said Monday.
 
Judge Rex Hesseman also sentenced the former star of television's "Lost" to 30 days of community service with the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department, stints with the Mothers Against Drunk Driving victim impact panel and the city's hospital and morgue program, said spokesman Frank Mateljan. She must also attend an alcohol education program.

The 27-year-old actress is scheduled to begin her jail term on May 31, Mateljan said.

A message left with her attorney, Henry Holmes, was not immediately returned.

Rodriguez was arrested in Hawaii last December on the drunken driving charge. She pleaded guilty last month.

The Honolulu arrest violated the three-year probation term the actress was given in 2004 after pleading no contest to charges of hit-and-run, driving on a suspended license and driving under the influence of alcohol, Mateljan said.

Her probation on those charges has now been extended until June 2009.

Rodriguez's "Lost" character, Ana Lucia, was killed off in an episode broadcast earlier this month. The show's producers have said that plot twist had nothing to do with her arrests.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 24, 2006, 03:24:44 PM
finale time! set your tivo's to stun


...yes I am bored at work
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 24, 2006, 10:02:44 PM
I think the worst relationship I'll ever have is with Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2006, 10:35:14 PM
Because you know you won't ever leave it, no matter what it does.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 24, 2006, 10:38:40 PM
And it just keeps slapping me around. Fuckers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 24, 2006, 10:59:10 PM
My life is terrible now, I have to wait until fucking September. But anyway, holy shit, that finale was not the best thing I've ever heard of, as Abrams said of it, but pretty amazing. So many questions. Just incredible.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 24, 2006, 11:35:22 PM
i had a knot in my stomach the entire time.  i wish every episode all season could be this intense.  i LOVED it.  best 2 hours ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 25, 2006, 01:09:57 AM
last 2 minutes left me lost though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2006, 01:13:49 AM
Best fucking line... "I think I crashed your plane." God, that gave me chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 25, 2006, 01:45:01 AM
Best fucking line... "I think I crashed your plane." God, that gave me chills.

No, best line was Locke: "I was wrong."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 25, 2006, 07:51:51 AM
last 2 minutes left me lost though.

Then it's not just a clever name.


SPOILERS

OK, so Desmond's girlfriend is the daughter of the guy who owns the construction company that Michael worked for as well as the company that manufactured Sun's pregnancy test.  Now, if she had people looking for some sort of electromagnetic anomaly, this means that she knew this was going to happen and presumably that Desmond would have something to do with it.  This solidifies my theory that part of the mystery is that the Dharma Initiative has found a way to predict the future and manipulate events via chaos theory.  The connections are too great for it to be just coincidence, except that, you know, that's how it's written.  But if the writers are holding to the idea that everything can be scientifically explained, then there's your explanation for the pre-flight connections.  This is not just "one of those things."  This, please, cannot be that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2006, 11:04:51 AM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 25, 2006, 12:03:21 PM
An Explosive "Lost" Finale

As the second season of Lost concluded in a brain-bending two-hour finale Wednesday, viewers found answers to some of their questions while others were left unresolved.
 
(Warning: Obviously, the following article will reference plot points of the Lost season finale. Read no further if you don't want to know.)

Among the major mysteries explained: how Oceanic Flight 815 came to crash on the island; what exactly pushing the button does; and the story behind that guy, Desmond.

Still unclear: why 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42? Who are the Others and what are they doing? Whatever happened to that polar bear? And the monster? Also, how does Vincent the Labrador keep his well-fed figure?

The episode commenced with the revelation that the sailboat that appeared on the horizon at the close of the penultimate episode belonged to former hatch-dweller Desmond, who is found drunkenly holed up below deck after realizing that two and a half weeks of sailing had brought him back to the island.

The finale's main theme centered around Desmond's backstory, which begins upon his release from military prison after his dishonorable discharge from Her Majesty's Armed Forces. As he leaves jail, he encounters the father of his true love, Penelope Widmore, who attempts to pay him off to stay away from his daughter. (Interestingly, Papa Widmore is a central character in the Lost spinoff book, The Bad Twin.)

Instead, Desmond elects to compete in Widmore's boat race around the world in order to regain his honor. He sets off in a sailboat donated to him by none other than the ill-fated Libby, whom he happens to encounter in a coffee shop. Just before he leaves for the race, Penny tracks him down to tell him that she'll wait for him, no matter what.

Of course, he winds up marooned on the island, where he is drafted into his button-pushing mission by the previous hatch inhabitant, Kelvin.

After spending three years holed up together in the hatch, Kelvin reveals an important clue to the island--a crawl space in The Swan station that contained a system termination switch operated via a special Dharma key.

"This is the only other way out, partner," a boozed-up Kelvin tells Desmond. "The fail safe. Turn the key and this all goes away."

Kelvin also (finally) explains "the incident" referenced in the Dharma Initiative orientation video and why the button must be pushed.

"The incident? There was a leak, so now the charge builds up and every time we push the button, it discharges it before it gets too big," Kelvin says.

After finding Kelvin plotting an escape using his sailboat, Desmond kills him, then keeps pushing the button as a one-man team until Locke, Jack and crew burst into his hatch and take over. The last time viewers saw Desmond, many episodes ago, he was fleeing the hatch, apparently making his way to his sailboat and from there, on to the outside world.

Unfortunately for him, his escape plan failed, putting him right back where he started.

"There's no outside world, there's no escape," Desmond cries, as he is dragged ashore by Jack, Sawyer and Sayid.

Upon his unwilling return to the island, Desmond is recruited by the newly disillusioned Locke to help stop button-pushing convert Eko from pushing said button.

After he and Eko watched the orientation video in The Pearl observation hatch, Locke decided pushing the button was unnecessary and became convinced he was merely a puppet in a larger experiment.

Eko, on the other hand, became convinced of the life-or-death necessity of entering the numbers (4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) every 108 minutes. He and Locke come to blows over the button and he locks Locke out of the hatch. But Locke manages to trick him into leaving his post, then locks him out so he and Desmond can watch the clock count down to zero.

In desperation, Eko convinces Charlie to help him find the extra sticks of dynamite used to blow open the hatch at the conclusion of the first season, and uses it to try and explode his way into the control room to enter the numbers. The resulting explosion leaves both Charlie and Eko stunned, but fails to give them access to the button.

Meanwhile, Desmond has realized that the button actually does need to pushed, as he makes the key connection that it was his failure to do so that caused the crash of Oceanic Flight 815 some two months earlier.

Locke remains unconvinced and smashes the computer used to enter the numbers, forcing Desmond to take the only step left--using the special Dharma key to activate the system termination switch. A blinding explosion and deafening sound follow, as the hatch and Desmond are presumably blown to smithereens. Charlie staggers back onto the beach (where he shares a smooch with Claire), but Locke and Eko remain unaccounted for...at least until next season.

Meanwhile, despite being sniffed out as a turncoat by Sayid, Michael manages to succeed in his plan to turn Jack, Kate, Sawyer and Hurley over to the Others in exchange for Walt. The Other calling himself Henry Gale reunites Michael and Walt and turns over the motor boat to Michael, telling him to follow the compass bearing at 325 in order to find rescue.

"Who are you people?" Michael asks. (An excellent question.)

"We're the good guys, Michael," Henry replies. (Not a satisfactory response.)

As the traitorous Michael motors off with Walt, Kate, Jack and Sawyer are left gagged and bound by the Others, while Hurley is freed and ordered to return to camp and let the rest of the plane crash survivors know they are not welcome to come sniffing around.

In a final scene guaranteed to leave Lost fans with something to ponder while waiting for the show's return this fall, two Portuguese-speaking men working out of a snow-bound research station notice a huge electromagnetic abnormality and pick up the phone to make an emergency call to...Penny, Desmond's true love.

"Miss Widmore," one of the men says. "I think we've found him."

Boom. Roll credits. See you in September.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 25, 2006, 05:38:16 PM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.

I'm actually glad for that.  Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 25, 2006, 06:13:57 PM
one thing i don't like is how this episode disproves the theories that the apocalypse/something apocalyptic has happened while everyone was on the island and returning home/rescue by someone else is impossible even though the island is so huge.

I didn't even know that was a theory. I think the theories people theorize are pointless. I know it's fun, but I'd rather the writers take me in their direction, not my own. I think I have that philosophy towards everything cinematic, though.

And the best part of the show was the sudden reintroduction of the whispers, affecting everyone but Michael. Pretty goddamn interesting. It's sad how Locke has lost his faith.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 26, 2006, 01:51:32 AM
I'm actually glad for that.  Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
when they or some of them get off the island in the last episode they find out and it somehow explains how the plane crashed was how it would've been great.

I think the theories people theorize are pointless.
but they might be right. or better. see: revolutions and the theory about neo being able to stop the sentinels/powering down because he and everyone else were really robots.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 26, 2006, 08:43:29 AM
I didn't even know that was a theory. I think the theories people theorize are pointless. I know it's fun, but I'd rather the writers take me in their direction, not my own. I think I have that philosophy towards everything cinematic, though.

I'm like that with individual films but when it's something like this where you have so much time in between installments and with people talking about it all the time, you can't help it.

But I look at the theories in the same way I look at Super Bowl pools: sure, you don't NEED to get into it to enjoy the game but it does enhance the experience.

I'm actually glad for that. Think about it, if they had nothing to go back to, then who gives a shit what happens to them and if they get off the island?
when they or some of them get off the island in the last episode they find out and it somehow explains how the plane crashed was how it would've been great.

Too Planet of the Apes.  Granted, the uncertainty that the world was not there anymore was cool but if the world wasn't exactly as it was when they left, it would have been just as bad as a St. Elsewhere snowglobe. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 26, 2006, 10:18:06 AM
SPOILERS
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Ok so here is the thing... I have a lot of unanswered questions of course. It was crazy because I watched it on the plane last night during a 9 hour flight, and I was dying to go online and read stuff here and see what everybody thought. I loved it. It was intense, even more for me being on the plane.

I was thinking about Libby... I dont remember any backstory of her and why she was in Australia or on the plane. Nothing also about  a dead husband. What I was thinking is, why if it was all planned that she worked for Widmore and her giving the boat to Desmond was a way to get him away from Penny? What if the plan was for him to get trapped there intentionally and dont come back? or maybe it had something to do with the book, Bad Twin. Widmore is the name of one of the characters, which is actually the guy that we see as Penny's father. He doesnt mention a daughter on the book, but two sons that are twins. One of course its kinda on a mission around the World. They are oposites. Etc... its all connected.

Weird, but it could be.I also read somewhere that somebody said that Libby's husband, Dave, was actually Hurley's imaginary friend. Could be. They also said that Libby's bad wig when she is with Desmond looked like "the Others" and their fake wigs and beards. It could somehow make sense?

I cant fucking wait until next season!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 26, 2006, 10:51:48 AM
any thoughts on the statue?

i was reading somewhere that it resembled the collossus of rhodes, which was broken off at the knee during an earthquake.


damn this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 26, 2006, 11:15:19 AM
MCFARLANE TOYS GETS 'LOST'
Six Exclusive Action Figures Coming to Stores This Fall

McFarlane Toys will soon give Lost's legions of fans something new to obsess over. A series of Lost action figures is scheduled to be released late fall, 2006, and is destined to populate office cubicles around the country.

McFarlane Toys' Lost Series 1 captures six fan-favorite characters from the series' first season: Jack, Kate, Locke, Hurley, Charlie and Shannon. Each 6-inch Lost figure will have a detailed base and photographic backdrop, capturing an episode-specific moment in the character's story. In addition, each package will include a detailed prop reproduction central to the character's story, enabling fans to "own" a piece of the show's mythology. For example, Kate's figure will be packaged with a reproduction of the toy airplane that plays so prominently into her backstory. More than just action figures, McFarlane's Lost figures will once again raise the bar for fans and for the industry.

We will also be releasing Lost deluxe boxed sets -- re-creating key moments between multiple characters, and small-scale dioramas -- replicating central locations such as the mysterious island and the infamous hatch.

(http://www.spawn.com/toys/movies/lost/charlie/images/lost_charlie_photo_01_dl.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 26, 2006, 11:58:04 AM
I can't wait to play doctor with Kate.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 26, 2006, 01:15:46 PM
http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=36305
Quote
Next Season's Lost Sneaked

Producers of ABC's hit series Lost, which aired its surprising second-season finale on May 24, told SCI FI Wire that it sets up the upcoming third season, which will focus more on romance—and on the mysterious Others. "The Others are an important part of season three, and there's a lot of mysteries and a lot of questions about the Others that the audience is going to be curious about going into season three," said executive producer Carlton Cuse in an interview. "And those are the things we're going to explore."

Cuse added: "There will definitely be some new characters on the show next year. ... Obviously, Michael Emerson, who plays Henry Gale, he's someone who's going to be very prominent in the show next year." Fans were also introduced to a new character who promises to figure in next season's storylines: Penelope Widmore, played by Sonya Walger.

In the finale, viewers find out where Desmond (Henry Ian Cusick) was, what happens when the button doesn't get pushed, why the plane crashed and the fate of Michael (Harold Perrineau) and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley). At the end, Jack (Matthew Fox), Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway) are prisoners of the Others. And Claire (Emilie de Ravin) gives Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) a kiss.

"I'm excited about love in season three," said executive producer Bryan Burk, adding: "Don't forget now the people have been on the island for 60-plus days. They're now obviously more familiar with each other. ... The concept of love [is there], and ... it weaves its way through all of our characters. It's going to be much more prevalent in season three."

Now that Lost has finished shooting, the season-three writers met recently for a "boot camp" in Hawaii, where they broke the main story arcs for next year. "It's fun, because we're still kind of following on a macro level the same trajectory that we talked about years ago," Burk said. "The details are changing on this, and new characters that we hadn't thought about are here, ... but what's fun is kind of the whole big journey is still kind of where we had originally talked about it. And it feels as I had always said from day one, when I was doing interviews in season one, I kept saying that the show doesn't really start kicking in for me until seasons two and three. ... Somebody smarter than me recently said in a TV Guide letter, ... 'If you think you're still watching a show about people who crashed on an island, you're watching another show.' There's a lot going on, and as we move forward, ... we're getting deeper into the center of the onion." —Patrick Lee, News Editor

Romance. Eh. Those were the scenes that made me cringe during the finale. Those and the sweet Unsolved-Mysteries-Dramitization effects/editing scene when Desmond got "captured."

More Henry Gale. Yes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 26, 2006, 07:41:24 PM
any thoughts on the statue?

That wasn't even fair, showing us something that mindfuckingly provocative, knowing that we won't get to pursue it until next season (and probably a little ways into next season, at that). 

"I don't know what's more disturbing: that the rest of the statue is missing, or that it only has four toes."

 :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 26, 2006, 08:24:25 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 26, 2006, 09:23:29 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 26, 2006, 10:01:08 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.

Well I'm rewatching the first season from the pilot onward, and I'm hypocritically formulating theories to justify what's going on. The smoke/stomping monster can't be some manmade thing. I think it's a manifestation of certain strandees emotions. I know this is an old theory, but it plays into why Hanso would want to do experiments on the island. Equally, the idea of manifestations explain the polar bear (and why they're testing Walt), and why Eko and Locke both confronted the monster and survived.

Cable in the water? I don't remember that. The pirate ship, I thought that was part of Rousseau's group? I must be wrong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on May 26, 2006, 10:40:55 PM
the exact same thing happened with the pirate ship and they didn't pursue.

.... and the polar bear, and the cable into the water, and how the pilot was placed in the trees, and where the smoke comes from, all these things and probably many more are shown and we probably will never get a clear cut reason/answer for any of them.

Well I'm rewatching the first season from the pilot onward, and I'm hypocritically formulating theories to justify what's going on. The smoke/stomping monster can't be some manmade thing. I think it's a manifestation of certain strandees emotions. I know this is an old theory, but it plays into why Hanso would want to do experiments on the island. Equally, the idea of manifestations explain the polar bear (and why they're testing Walt), and why Eko and Locke both confronted the monster and survived.

Cable in the water? I don't remember that. The pirate ship, I thought that was part of Rousseau's group? I must be wrong.

the cable appeared in the episode when Sayid ran off because he was ashamed for torturing Sawyer and as he is walking on the beach he comes upon the cable which he follows it into the jungle which leads to Rousseau
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 27, 2006, 02:02:05 AM
What the Dickens?
Entertainment Weekly's Doc Jensen's post-finale ''Lost'' theory: Here's why Desmond and his lady love are crucial to the story -- and what ''Our Mutual Friend'' has to do with it
 
In the brief time that I've been in the Lost theorizing business, I've thrown a lot of ideas at you. The History Rubric. (Still looking good after the season finale, even if I was wrong about finding a landing strip.) The Evil Aaron Hypothesis. (Looking shaky, though some elements remain viable.) The Human Extinction Argument. (Looking rather endangered, since the last scene of the finale established that there is indeed life outside The Island.)

But now that the second season of the show has come to an end, I have come to a conclusion, myself. Not just about the second season, but about all of Lost. It's my ultimate theory, and from here on out, my intention is to fold all my Lost thinking into this Big Picture framework. Consider this, then, my ''One Ring to Rule Them All'' concept of Lost.

I call it the All You Need Is Love (and Desmond) Theory of Lost.

Sound corny? Maybe... as corny as Desmond proclaiming, ''And I will win this race for love!''? Maybe... as corny as Desmond announcing, ''I have to get my honor back!''?

Fine. Call it corny, but I'm nutty for the idea. And I think I'm right. With its season finale, Lost revealed its true identity: It's actually a gloriously old-fashioned, ridiculously idealistic romantic epic. But the Romeo and Juliet of this love story aren't Jack and Kate (but I did love their non-verbal Han/Leia ''I love you''/''I know'' nod-and-blink exchange — a fittingly coy way to end the show's bad-guy-triumphant Empire Strikes Back season), or Charlie and Claire (that kiss — an abrupt turnabout in their relationship, don't you think?), or Jin and Sun (even though their relationship is Lost's main source of human grounding).

No: The star-crossed lovers of Lost are Desmond and Penelope Widmore, the English heiress whose powerful and possibly Dharma Initiative-connected father Arthur Widmore (see: the Lost tie-in book Bad Twin) seems determined to make sure that his daughter and the lovelorn hatchman will never, ever be together.

In fact, you can forget Jack, Kate, Sawyer, Locke, and the dozen other characters that we've come to know intimately well over the past two years. When Lost is all said and done, it will stand exposed as the story of Desmond and Penelope, two people we barely know, and the lengths these crazy kids will go to in order to be together again — and the lengths to which Daddy Big Bucks will go to keep them apart.

In my view, Desmond/Penelope has suddenly become the defining narrative thread of Lost. Everything else is a subplot within that larger context. I know this is a peculiar argument to make, since until now, Desmond has technically been a supporting character in the larger Jack arc, and a mere footnote in the broader island mythology. And who knows? Maybe he'll remain a marginal figure in terms of total screen time.

But Lost can be all about Desmond and Penelope even if it isn't literally all about Desmond and Penelope. Just ask Desmond's favorite author, Charles Dickens. A Tale of Two Cities is a great example of a cast-of-thousands opus whose two main protagonists don't truly emerge until the second act of the novel. Desmond's progress in the season finale from a cynical, self-pitying drunken sot to an idealistic, self-sacrificing romantic hero reminded me of Two Cities' Sydney Carton; and as Desmond turned the fail-safe key in the final moments, I recalled Carton's famous final worlds: ''It is a far, far better thing than I do than I have ever done; it is a far, far better rest that I go to than I have ever known.''

As for Dickens' Our Mutual Friend — which Desmond designated as the last book he intended to read before he died — I must confess, I haven't read it. But my understanding is that the novel is a mosaic of characters and incidents, much like Lost. Moreover, the character that could be classified as its chief protagonist, the presumed-dead John Harmon, haunts Dickens' last completed work like a phantom; one source dubs Harmon the ''absent center'' of the story. That's a great description of how I view Desmond: He's the absent center of Lost. (At least, absent until now.)

By the way: I am told that the Big Twist in Our Mutual Friend — SPOILER ALERT! — is that Harmon adopts a new identity for the purpose of clandestinely evaluating the moral fiber of a woman whom he has to marry in order to claim his inheritance. Tests of character, subversive surveillance, false identities — that's Lost, too, isn't it? (Could it be that Arthur Widmore actually sent Desmond to the Island to test his worthiness as a husband to his daughter?)

[A tangent, but a relevant and maybe important one: Just like John Locke, Desmond's name could be another densely coded reference that Lost is becoming famous for. First of all, Desmond connects you to Desmond Morris, the writer, controversial scientist, and surrealist painter. His books The Human Zoo and Manwatching could be Dharma source texts. And then there's Desmond's last name — Hume. Did you all catch it on the envelopes of all the letters he had written to Penelope? Hume links you to yet another important philosopher, David Hume, who was influenced by John Locke, and who was also concerned with issues of ethics, identity, free will, and determinism. You know, the essential Lost themes.]

Lest I've crashed your brain with potentially wrong-headed references, I'd like to suggest one more possible Lost link. It's the main reason for the title of this theory. Anyone remember The Prisoner? If you've never seen this landmark cult pop series from the 1960s, spend the summer break from Lost becoming obsessed with it. In the infamous final episode of The Prisoner, Number Six has his own character-defining, key-turning moment. Moreover, he inspires a bloody revolt against his mysterious captors that plays out to the tune of the Beatles ''All You Need Is Love.'' The complicated and deeply symbolic climax of the show offers both an endorsement and critique of 1960s counterculture... but that's an essay for another time. The idea I want to leave you with today — an idea I promise to unpack in a future Doc Jensen column — is that Desmond is the Number Six of Lost, albeit an ironic version of the character. Like Number Six, he embodies the romantic pursuit of idealism in a marked-by-cynicism, dogmatic culture war, and manipulative power politics. But again: an essay for another time.

Regardless, here's my bottom line (for now): With the season finale's emphasis on Desmond, and with other Lost media suggesting that Desmond's Widmore-colored backstory is intertwined with the Hanso Foundation/Dharma Initiative mythology, a profound shift in focus has occurred: Lost is the Desmond-and-Penelope show now. And I think the series will be better for it. By introducing a more embraceable romantic hero to root for, and by recontextualizing the entire Lost saga around a more emotional narrative arc, the producers have given us something that we kinda desperately needed: a more conventional rubric for their unconventional ideas. The Desmond/Penelope storyline opens up the show and suggests new possibilities, not the least of which is this: the prospect of a happy ending. Through Desmond and Penelope, Jack and company now have reason to hope.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 01, 2006, 02:47:25 AM
Lost S2 Finds DVD in October
The series hatches a second season set in Oct.

On October 3, 2006, Buena Vista Home Entertainment will release Lost - The Complete Second Season on a seven disc DVD set. The long-awaited release will contain every single episode from the revered second season of the mystery/drama, and will be packed to the rim with bonus materials and extra features. It will be available for the MSRP of $59.99.

The Lost - The Complete Second Season DVD will feature the following bonus materials:

*Lost Connections
*Lost: On Location
*The Lost Flashbacks
*Secrets of the Hatch
*Lost Bloopers
*Deleted Scenes
*Fire and Water: Anatomy of an Episode
*Audio Commentaries and more

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 04, 2006, 10:59:33 AM
LOST TO BE TURNED INTO A MOVIE?
(www.wenn.com)

The makers of LOST want to end the hit TV show after a maximum of five years and are planning a feature-length movie spin-off.
Co-creator DAMON LINDELOF is so worried producers and studio executives will drag the show out he is making his opinion on the matter clear now.
He says, "We'd love to end the show after four year, five years tops and do a movie."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on July 05, 2006, 09:41:04 AM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

What is with the DVD release on October? The season will probably start in September... and the point is that people who havent seen the show have a chance to catch up before the new season begins... I dont get that release date.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on July 05, 2006, 10:18:14 AM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

What is with the DVD release on October? The season will probably start in September... and the point is that people who havent seen the show have a chance to catch up before the new season begins... I dont get that release date.

i'm pretty sure it starts a week after the dvd release.  it's different now because they're splitting the season into two parts, which sucks because you have wait longer but is nice because once new episodes start there wont be any reruns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on July 05, 2006, 04:17:45 PM
Thats if they can make it stay this good for 3 more years... which is not easy.

Well, on the special features of season 1, they talk about how they know the story arc through a fifth season. So hopefully, that means it will be fucking great the entire time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 22, 2006, 10:15:43 PM
Lost Season 3 Scoops From Comic-Con!
Source: Coming Soon

"Lost" co-creator/executive producer Damon Lindelof, executive producers Bryan Burk and Carlton Cuse, and stars Jorge Garcia (Hugo) and Daniel Dae Kim (Jin) attended the San Diego Comic-Con today and talked about the upcoming season three starting on October 4. The presentation was briefly interrupted by a planned protestor, a Rachel Blake, who yelled at them for supporting the Hanso Foundation and told people to go to HansoExposed.com.

Here are the highlights of what they said!

- Season three will have a vastly different feeling, but at the same time reembrace the roots of the series.

- Season three will focus more on adventure.

- The first six episodes in the fall will be like a mini-series and focuses on the captivity story of Jack, Kate and Sawyer.

- We'll learn more about The Others and Alex's story.

- An event will happen mid-season that will blow people away!

- J.J. Abrams will co-write the first episode which is titled "The Tale of Two Cities." He'll also direct the seventh episode, which is the first episode of the second half of the third season (early next year).

- They are going to reveal what happened to Locke, Desmond and Echo.

- They are adding new regular characters, which they are casting for now.

- You'll see more scenes from the outside world (taking place at the same time they are on the island).

- Desmond and Penny's relationship forms a new seed for a new element in the series.

- Libby will be back to fill in the gaps.

- Within the first few episodes Kate "gets with someone".

- They are going to explain the medical miracles.

- They debunked the rumor that the monster is a cloud nanobot.

- The hyroglypics on the countdown clock are signs of the underworld.

- They have 4 to 5 seasons planned out, and they knew the beginning and ending from the start. Going beyond 5 seasons would be stretching it, they said.

- If they introduce a question on the show, they already know the answer.

- They do look at fans' reactions and that does affect how they do things on the show.

- They showed a promo for the 13 "Lost" diaries that will be on Verizon, which featured Hugo finding a camera and interviewing people on the island.

- A "Lost" game from Ubisoft is coming next year which features a new story.

- On the season two DVD, you can expect one feature which has all of Sawyer's famous lines!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on July 23, 2006, 01:40:04 AM
- Within the first few episodes Kate "gets with someone".

Oh, I hope it's me...   :love:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 25, 2006, 04:37:17 PM
"Lost" Lands New Star, Reveals Numbers

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Lost has added another bad guy to the island mix. Or, actually, he could be a good guy. Really, the odds are 50-50 either way.

Rodrigo Santoro, the South American import dubbed by press as the "Brazilian Tom Cruise"--a reference to his heartthrob status only and not to any off-screen antics--is joining the cast of the Emmy-snubbed drama next season.

It's unknown whether Santoro, who acted as theatrical eye candy opposite Laura Linney in Love, Actually and Demi Moore in Charlie's Angels: Full Throttle, will be a regular addition to the cast or simply a recurring character, though neither would be a guarantee of his character's longevity.

Show producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof remained characteristically mum on the details of the 30-year-old actor's role, confirming the casting to TVGuide.com, but refusing to divulge whether Santoro's alter ego will be an Other, part of a character's flashback or a member of the off-island world.

"We don't really want to be at all specific about what we're doing with the character or what he's going to play," Cuse told TVGuide.com. "Part of the surprise and the enjoyment of watching the show is sort of getting a chance to meet a new character and see how his role is going to unfold in relation to the rest of the cast."

Still, says Cuse, Santoro, who is so critically lauded in his native country that "Brazilian Tom Hanks" may be a more accurate nickname, will play against the expectation of his character, at least in terms of his pinup-worthy looks.

"The ladies like it when he takes his shirt off--not to say he'll be competing with Sawyer in that category," Lindelof told the Website. "On Lost, what you see is never what you get."

Despite his more than established career abroad, Lindelof said Santoro's relative anonymity Stateside made him an ideal match for the show.

While the producers clammed up about the show's new character, they did shed some light on what's coming up for some of the old ones.

The writer-producers spoke about the upcoming third season at San Diego's Comic-Con Saturday.

Cuse said the run-up to the season's first hiatus--the show takes a 13-week break after the airing of its first six episodes--"will look a little like a miniseries." Lindelof added, "Something happens midway through the year that will fry everybody's brain."

The Lost masterminds also said that they'll be amping up the adventure elements of the show this season and will revisit the off-island world they tapped into with the season finale.

"We're laying the seeds for a whole new element," Cuse said.

As for the characters themselves, Desmond, played by lone Lost Emmy nominee Henry Ian Cusick, will return. Lindelof also promises that the two-seasons-strong love triangle among Kate (Evangeline Lilly), Jack (Matthew Fox) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway) will have a resolution.

"Within the first six episodes, she'll be officially making her selection," he said.

Meanwhile, fans of Hurley (Jorge Garcia) will be happy to know that the lovelorn island dweller will be getting some extra face time, albeit on the very small screen.

Producers will be rolling out 13 two-minute mobisodes--i.e., mobile phone episodes--through Verizon this fall titled The Lost Diaries. The series will focus on Hurley as he finds a video camera--that Dharma Initiative really did think of everything--and chronicles different events on the island.

"It has been hard to get it off the ground because we don't want them to be...lame," Lindelof said.

It's proving to be a banner week for Lost fans. As if details of the new season spilling out weren't enough, one of the show's most-hyped mysteries will soon be solved.

The Lost Experience, the online interactive game launched last spring to give fans clues to the island, will spill the meaning behind Hurley's lottery numbers--4, 8, 15, 16, 23 and 42--which are prevalent throughout the show. Their importance will be revealed to gamers who complete the third phase of the challenge.

The show's third-season premiere, "A Tale of Two Cities," airs Oct. 4.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 28, 2006, 10:50:17 AM
Mitchell on 'Lost' patrol for season
Source: Hollywood Reporter

Elizabeth Mitchell has joined the cast of ABC's hit drama "Lost" as a regular.

Mitchell will play Juliet on the Emmy-winning series from Touchstone TV and studio-based Bad Robot Prods. Details about Mitchell's character are being kept under wraps, but some sources indicate that Juliet might be a new love interest for Jack (Matthew Fox).
 
Mitchell is one of two regular players "Lost" has added for next season. Brazilian actor Rodrigo Santoro signed on to co-star on the series this week.

The actress, who most recently co-starred in NBC's drama pilot "Haskett's Chance," next will be seen opposite Tim Allen in the feature "The Santa Clause 3: The Escape Clause."

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on July 28, 2006, 10:15:19 PM
What a great incentive for me to finally start watching the show.  I should probably catch up on the first two seasons to fully appreciate it by the time Santoro comes along this fall.
if it takes some douche bag to get you to start watching the best show on television you should probably not bother and just buy girl teen mags instead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on July 28, 2006, 11:42:51 PM
Go rent Love Actually and have all the giggly moments you want.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 16, 2006, 04:33:59 PM
Lost Cast & Crew on Season Three
Source: The Associated Press

The cast and crew of ABC's "Lost" gathered at the Turtle Bay Resort in Oahu, Hawaii on Tuesday to mark the release of the DVD set, "Lost: The Complete Second Season - The Extended Experience," available in stores on September 5. Here are a few interesting clips from The Associated Press about the event:

"The hatch has definitely had its moment," confirmed executive producer Bryan Burk, referring to the mysterious underground bunker that was the set for much of the series' second-season drama. "Lets just say it was one big explosion."

As for the story: If the first season was all about the original plane-crash survivors adjusting to their new lives on a deserted island, and the second season was all about the so-called "tailies" (those who were in the tail of the plane, whom the originals had thought were dead), "this year," Lilly said, "we've opened this up to another whole other people, a whole other location, a whole other facet through which we can tell stories."

Michael Emerson, who plays the leader of "The Others" group, noted, "What I know is that we get to go live with The Others, where they learn a little more about their life and, hopefully, their mission, their agenda, whatever that might be. Maybe we'll get to warm up to them."

Producer Burk promised that many of the second season's looming questions would be answered in the first six episodes.

Cuse said the new season will include more action and adventure, and that new characters could well serve as love interests. And, he added, Sawyer (Holloway) and Jack (Matthew Fox) will definitely be competing for the romantic affections of Kate (Lilly).

"Lost" returns to ABC on October 4.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 17, 2006, 12:15:17 AM
The 'Lost' cast answers your questions
Source: USA Today

Last week, we challenged you to come up with questions for the Lost cast that would make them think, yet not incur the wrath of their overlords. USA TODAY's William Keck passed your inquiries along to the stars at Tuesday's Season 2 DVD party. Here's what the castaways had to say:

Terry O'Quinn (Locke)

Q: Will the third season see more of the "omnipotent Locke," the "easily manipulated Locke" or perhaps a side we haven't seen before?— Jerry Darby

A: "I don't think they're going to go back; it's an evolution. Locke and I were frustrated last season. He thought he was seeking the meaning of life, but then found this thing where he had to push this button every few minutes, which wasn't very satisfying. He's got to move on. He's got to find his place in this family. He's looking for someone else to acknowledge him in such a way that will define him to himself."

Josh Holloway (Sawyer)

Q: I am a Lost fan from Norway and Sawyer is my favorite character. My question is do you think Sawyer will ever find out who the REAL Mr. Sawyer is?" — Maryann Bjordal

A: "I hope so. I hope they answer that. I want to see where that plays out. I want to see him face that guy. Maybe it's the bearded guy (Mr. Friendly) on the island. There are probably lots of interesting twists to come in the Sawyer flashbacks."

Daniel Dae Kim (Jin)

Q: Which role (besides your own) would you like to play if you had the opportunity to pick?— Sports_Playa

A: "Good question. I like different sides of a lot of characters. Locke has a very fantastic mysterious side. Eko has this spiritual side to him. And Jack has this conflicted heroism. And I love the character I play too!"

JORGE GARCIA: "I enjoy the lines that Sawyer gets. As far as the memorable lines on the show, I think its between him and Hurley."

Jorge Garcia (Hurley)

Q: "If Lost were a reality show, which character do you think would still be standing (not voted off) on the last episode and why?"— Tonya Parker Morrison

A: "I have no idea. It's stupid to say Hurley, but why wouldn't I vote for myself? He's fairly well liked. I think it would be cool to see him lead a little more this season. There is going to be a need for people to take charge, and the opportunity may be there for him to do it."

Q: Your character came this close to hooking up with Cynthia Watros last season. Did you lose an on-set bet that she got killed off before the big romantic scene?— Ray Bradley

A: "That romance was fun. It meant a lot to me because a guy my size usually doesn't get a love interest in a prime time show. It was a special thing as far as breaking categories. I'm curious how this tragedy may effect him — and finding out that Michael was the cause. There may be some kind of change in him — perhaps more stoic. Or maybe vengeful."

Bryan Burk (producer)

Q: (Among) the background people that haven't been speaking, have any of them actually moved into speaking roles or do they just bring in new people and pretend that they were in the background all along?" — Michael Riordan

A: "We use a lot of the same atmosphere people. There are people there who are still there from the pilot, wearing the same outfits from when the plane crashed. We keep referencing Scott and Steve— one of them has died, but I'm not sure if the writers even know which one anymore. There were two actors playing Scott and Steve, but we believe they switched names along the way… It's absolutely possible that these people could get lines. Who gets lines changes on a minute by minute basis. One of our editors ended up getting a role in the first episode."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 22, 2006, 07:36:07 PM
Interview: Michael Giacchino
The Lost composer chats about his Season Two score, forthcoming Season Three cues and creating a consistent body of work.

Michael Giacchino is quickly becoming one of the leading composers in the TV, film and video game industry. After making his debut with the score for the Lost World: Jurassic Park video game in 1997, he has worked steadily for some of the biggest names in the entertainment industry, providing the music for projects including Alias, The Incredibles and Lost. His longtime collaboration with J.J Abrams continues in coming projects with Abrams' forthcoming Star Trek XI film; but in the meantime, he is currently celebrating the release of Lost Season Two on DVD.

During the recent red carpet event launching the Lost set, Giacchino spoke to IGN DVD about his work on Seasons One, Two and Three. In addition to discussing his general creative process, Giacchino talked at length about his work on the show, and spilled his feelings about the burden of bringing new sounds to this spectacular series.

IGN DVD: By Season Two, a lot of the show's leitmotifs or audio cues have been pretty firmly established. What's the challenge in terms of moving from one season to the next and expand that musical palette?

Michael Giacchino: Well, this year it was kind of fun to expand it with Henry Gale, and also expand it into the whole Others thing. I mean, the Others were revealed slowly, kind of more and more to us in Season Two, and what started off as a very simple motif for them slowly developed into something more complicated. It's just this thing that kind of naturally happens that as they unfold the story I'm able to then glean more out of that, get more inspiration from it and start adding to what I'm doing. But the simpler and more cryptic it is, the more simple I stay, and that's just kind of a natural way of working on the show. But it is a challenge, and to find new ways to use Locke's music, new ways to use, you know, Charlie or Hurley - all of those guys - it's always a challenge to try to find [something new], but you also don't want to be too different because that's their thing. That's who they are and that's what they are. It's kind of like following an opera.

IGN: You've been very busy in recent years doing Alias, Lost and The Incredibles to name just a few projects, and are creating a canon like that of Danny Elfman - a certain sound that people identify with your work. What's the challenge for you moving from one project to the next and being able to do something new while not straying too far from what people associate with your work?

Giacchino: It is tough, but hopefully what I always try to do is create either an orchestral set-up that is different from every [other project]. I mean, if you look at Alias, the Alias orchestra is completely different from what the Lost orchestra is, so they have different sounds to them. When I was a kid I used to play this game where I would listen to my parents watch TV in the other room and I would listen to the shows and try to figure out what shows they were watching just by listening to the music. Certain shows were very easy to figure out because they had a specific orchestration set up, and other shows were kind of nebulous and they sounded like other shows. So for us, every time we do one of these new shows or do a film for me the first job is, okay, what's the orchestra going to be, and how is that going to relate to the story, and everything that is going on in the film or TV show. We create a sound that is unique to that, and hopefully once I'm done, like if you're listening to Lost, it doesn't sound like any show on TV. Or if you're watching Alias, it sounds like you're watching Alias and not something you've heard a million times before.

IGN: How different is scoring for film as opposed to scoring for TV?

Giacchino: It's the same thing. People ask me all of the time: what is it like for games, what is it like for TV, what is it like for film. They're all unbelievably similar, you know? Television has not as big a budget as film does, [so] most of the differences are financial and schedule. But as far as creativity goes, they're all very similar. You're always trying to find the story. That's the main goal - just find that story.

IGN: At the end of last season, and now the beginning of Season Three, there's a lot of stuff going on with the core cast members and the Others. What was your first challenge when you came back to work on the show?

Giacchino: This year? I haven't even seen an episode yet, so it will probably be some time mid-September when I actually see something. I've like been kind of saying, 'don't tell me, don't tell me', so the honest answer is I'm not sure yet. I'll find out as soon as they send it to me and I can kind of figure out what the heck I'm supposed to do with [the material].

IGN: Do you prefer not to know what is going to happen from one episode to the next?

Giacchino: Yes. I definitely prefer not to know.

IGN: Is that as a viewer or for creating the music?

Giacchino: Just for creating the music. For me, it's like if something happens to you in life - like if your girlfriend breaks up with you, you're going to react emotionally a certain way. If she comes back to you and breaks up with you again you're going to be like, 'okay, we did this already'. So you're not going to react the same way. So when I'm watching the show, I like to kind of get the gut reaction down and write the gut reaction rather than write the reaction now that I've watched it a bunch of times because I feel in initial more than any other it's so important to just be in the moment of what's going on. Because it is a show that you could argue that it's crazy, it makes no sense and could never ever happen, but as long as you're in the moment of the story, I think that you're able to pull people in and think, 'well, maybe this is really happening'.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 23, 2006, 01:14:24 PM
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 24, 2006, 12:36:03 PM
looks like everyone's getting new glass eyes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 08:21:25 PM
Interview: Michael Emerson
Lost's Henry Gale creeps us out on the red carpet.

Among the many conflicted characters on TV's Lost, there are seemingly none as complex as Henry Gale. This mysterious stranger ventured into the survivors' lives last season as an enigma, seemingly appearing from nowhere with enough tales to take the cast from here to Kansas. His true identity as one of the Others was soon discovered by Sayid, Locke, and the rest, but not before actor Michael Emerson provided the other characters - much less the audience - with enough doubts to sustain their suspension of judgment.

Emerson is a stage actor who in recent years has enjoyed a number of roles on both the small and big screen. In addition to his stint on Lost, he previously appeared in the Adrian Lyne film Unfaithful, in a recurring role on The Practice, and perhaps most memorably to IGN readers in the original Saw as one of the agents of Jigsaw's twisted imagination. IGN spoke to Emerson at the launch party for the Lost Season Two DVD release, where he offered a few insights both about his character and the approach he takes in rendering these remarkably distinctive and frequently frightening characters.

IGN DVD: So do you think Henry Gale has a place to be redeemed this season?

Michael Emerson: Oh, yes. You mean will he rise in the sympathy system of the viewership? Yes, I think he will.

IGN: How so?

Emerson: I think not by changing his fundamental character by us perceiving him afresh by virtue of context or new circumstances. I think the more we see of what his day to day problems are, what his agenda is, the better we will like him. I'm not saying we'll really, really like him.

IGN: It seems like everybody on the show is guilty of something. What do you think Henry gale is guilty of?

Emerson: I don't know. Hubris? Arrogance? Over-education? I don't know what it could be (laughs).

IGN: Prior to this you were known for being in Saw. What draws you to these 'creepy' characters?

Emerson: A better question might be what is it about those characters that appeals to audiences, or an even better question is why do audiences perceive them as creepy? Let's say I got to the studio one day and I play it in neutral - I don't make any judgment about the character or the material or anything. And then when it comes out and it's all chopped together and there's music and stuff, people go 'my God that's scary!' But I don't know what the scary element is. I don't know if it's something in me. I don't know if it's in the playing of it or the perceiving of it. It's an interesting issue, though.

IGN: Now that viewers know who you are, how much did you know when you first came in - and how much did you adjust your performance to sort of play to the ambiguity of the role?

Emerson: I had no idea who he was or where they were going with it, nor did we take any story meetings or anything like that. It was just show up on the set and say these words, and I was sort of winging it, but I think maybe they were evolving an idea of the character as well. So they watched how I solved little problems and they thought 'ah- maybe that's alright'. So maybe we've all grown into the role a little bit or found a direction for it by, I don't know, accident partly. But no, there was never much discussion about the story or the arc or anything like that. It's really interesting.

IGN: Did that absence of direction make it harder or easier to create the character?

Emerson: I was sort of relieved. It sort of lets me just play around with the thing. I get to just come in and act instinctively, a little bit - which is a dangerous thing, probably. I wouldn't want to overdo it on the instincts. But it has all gone alright so far, which is not to say that every part you ever get works out very smoothly, because some times even the smallest parts are like pushing a big rock up a steep hill - none of it seems to be right. But this one has always felt good, I have to say.

IGN: How familiar were you with Lost before you joined the cast?

Emerson: It was on every Wednesday in our home because my wife is a Lostaholic, but I would watch most of them. I would be doing housework and stuff passing through the living room, so I was pretty well caught up on it, but once I got the job then of course I had to cram a little bit.

IGN: Who would you say is your favorite character?

Emerson: I know my wife likes Locke, but she likes Sayid too. I don't know - there's so many likeable characters to choose from. You've got to love Locke, though; he's a sturdy fellow and you feel sympathy with him. You feel like you're in good hands.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 24, 2006, 09:47:23 PM
Quote from: Michael Emerson
my wife is a Lostaholic
also alcoholic.

Quote from: Michael Emerson
I would be doing housework and stuff
cos his wife is an alcoholic.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 24, 2006, 11:38:08 PM
Cusick carries lone Emmy torch for 'Lost' cast
Source: USA TODAY

LANIKAI, Hawaii —Lost's sole acting Emmy nominee, Henry Ian Cusick, may have lost out at last weekend's Creative Arts Emmy Awards, where he was up for guest actor on a drama series. But he has plenty to celebrate: a new marriage, a new beach home and a series regular spot playing Desmond in the hit ABC drama's third season (premiering Oct. 4, 9 p.m. ET/PT).

This August afternoon is moving-in day for Cusick, a UK import whose mysterious Lost character also hails from the UK. Desmond attended medical school and survived a military prison before ending up shipwrecked on the island, where he spent three years in the hatch pushing a button to stave off a cataclysmic event.

Cusick says it wasn't that bad. "I am very happy with my own company. I could just about cope with being in the hatch myself."

The actor's account of how he thinks he got the role sounds like a Lost character's crossover flashback. Cusick happened to be staying at the home of actor friend Brian Cox (X2: X-Men United), who lives next door to Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse. Cusick says he met Cuse briefly and believes "a seed (was) planted, because they had been looking for either a Scottish or Irish character."

Cusick, who is of Scottish and Peruvian descent, is super casual on the day before reporting to work on Lost's Hawaii set, wearing swim trunks and T-shirt, his hair long and face unshaven.

It soon becomes clear that there's not much he is allowed to say — or maybe even knows — about his new season story line. "Desmond has an underlying faith in something," he says. And he describes his character as "a decent man who has been dealt some bad ones but keeps on going."

He might have good reason to hang on: Desmond was revealed in last season's finale to be the island's link to the outside world.

Desmond's wealthy girlfriend, Penelope "Penny" Widmore (played by Sonya Walger, who producers say will return), received a late-night phone call informing her of the island's whereabouts in the finale's final moments. Cusick speculates that Penny may be Desmond's "driving force."

For the past 14 years, Cusick's own heart has belonged to former London theater director Annie Wood, whom the actor wed on July 15. It was a small, civil ceremony that was more practical than romantic, says Cusick, the son of a minister and nephew of a priest who once considered attending seminary.

"American law doesn't acknowledge common-law wives, so Annie had no legal standing in the States," explains Cusick, 39. "We had to get married for the visa (or) Annie would have had to come and go every three months."

They have three sons, all of whom sport Dad's long, messy hair. Judging by their playful behavior this afternoon, Eli, 12, Lucas, 8, and Esau, 6, are adjusting to American life in their rented home. (Cusick chose not to buy, having heard that "anyone who buys here seems to get killed off" the show.)

"They're so hyper," says Cusick, excited that his wife has arrived with boxes of the family's clothes. "How fantastic is it to live and work in Hawaii? We haven't even unpacked, and the boys have already jumped in the pool in their underpants."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 27, 2006, 11:56:06 PM
Interview: Terry O'Quinn
Locke lets us in on a few Lost secrets.

As Locke on the hit series Lost, Terry O'Quinn is certainly one of the cast's venerated elders, dispensing common sense and philosophy in almost equal measures. But off screen, the actor is equally experienced - and after more than 25 years as an actor, he should be. His previous roles include turns in such films as Heaven's Gate, Silver Bullet, Young Guns, and The Stepfather, where he played the malevolent paterfamilias not once but twice.

Today, however, O'Quinn has found a relatively secure gig on Lost - not the least of which because he is one of the show's most-loved characters; even his fellow cast members pick Locke as their favorite. IGN recently spoke to O'Quinn during the launch party for the Lost Season Two DVD; in addition to offering insights about who is his favorite character, O'Quinn talks at length about his experience playing Locke, being a button-pusher, and properly enjoying his forthcoming action figure.

IGN DVD: What is the one thing you wish you could have found in the hatch besides the tires for your car?

Terry O'Quinn: Obviously Locke wished he could have found the meaning of his life in the hatch. That's what he was looking for - his job, his destiny, his task, his meaning, and it turned out to be pushing a button and he found that very disappointing.

IGN: Have you ever been a button pusher in real life?

O'Quinn: A button-pusher? No. Never. I've been doing this since I was in college and before that I did nothing. The button pushing was a whole new experience for me and I found it very dissatisfying and I was unhappy for Locke. Locke was unhappy and I was very sympathetic.

IGN: Do you think Locke was frustrated because of his isolation of just pressing a button all the time?

O'Quinn: I think he was frustrated because he thought getting into the hatch and finding [what was in it] was going to give him some definition and was going to maybe be the answer to his life's work. It was kind of like the old man and the mountain: if he got up there he was going to get the answer and he was going to find some peace of mind and some meaning - something that would drive him forward. But it didn't.

IGN: Do you think he does next season?

O'Quinn: I don't know if he finds it, but I think he continues to seek it. I think he has to. I think he's driven and often to his detriment to hurt himself and hurt others simply to find 'why are we here?' only on a personal level. You know - he's asking that question: why am I here?

IGN: It seems everyone on the island is guilty of something and maybe that's why they're there. What is Locke guilty of?

O'Quinn: I don't know. Of a specific crime, I don't know. He's guilty of being a sucker, being too easy and wearing his heart on his sleeve. Of falling for anybody who comes along and anything. He's guilty of being too trusting, but on the other hand, it makes him innocent of everything because he wants to believe, he wants there to be magic, he wants things to be good.

IGN: Overall, how would you characterize your experience of working on Season Two compared to Season One?

O'Quinn: Season Two seemed to go by much more quickly in a way because the experience wasn't as varied. Season One was discovering this character and discovering all these little things - he knew so much and he was willing to relate things to people. And Season Two, he went down this hole and started pushing this button, and the magic seemed to go away. So Season Two seems to me like one long episode. In Season One were very specific talks and talking with people; I remember scenes, I remember talking with Jack about his leadership, talking to Sawyer about my sister, talking to Charlie about the drugs. I remember all of that very clearly. Season Two was all about pushing the button, I'm frustrated, I'm mad at this and I'm mad at Jack, Henry Gale is twisting my arm. It was the hatch, basically.

IGN: How much do you feel you've had some influence or inspiration to the writers in terms in contributing some of your own personality or some of your frustrations with what you would interpret into playing that character?

O'Quinn: I think plenty. I think the writers respond to what they see in the cast big time, not necessarily in terms of story points but certainly in terms of performance points and where they take the character. If they're going from point A to point B, they might let the character decide what B and C are, I mean the actor, to a certain extent, but they know they're going to get to D. So I think that the writers are influenced a good bit by the actors.

IGN: How do you feel about being an action figure?

O'Quinn: Well I haven't seen it. That was never one of dreams to be an action figure so I don't know. Somebody asked me if I hoped the action figure had props and I said yeah, a little gun to shoot himself (laugh). Or if you get one, buy him and release him in the garden with a little knife where he can hunt mice.

IGN: We've asked everyone so far who their favorite character is on the show and they've all said Locke. Who is your favorite character?

O'Quinn: Well I'd have to agree with all of them (laughs). I bow down to their superior intelligence. My favorite character to look at is Kate. I mean I love working with Sawyer, I love working with Dominic Monaghan, I love working with Matthew, I like working with Ian. It's a bunch of good actors. My favorite person to greet when I get to work that would have to be Evangeline. She's a great hugger.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 28, 2006, 07:52:30 AM
IGN: How do you feel about being an action figure?
i'm so sick of this fucking question. it is number one on my list of dullest pieces of yawn inducing SHIT a person can be asked. if i ever get an action figure made of myself, god forbid, and it's televised, i can only wish, i will break it in half and throw the pieces at the camera and the interviewer. then i'll change the subject and continue the interview as if nothing happened.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 28, 2006, 09:37:38 PM
i wouldn't mind an action figure. it's a dumb question though. kind of like "how does it feel to WIN?" or "what were you thinking when you scored the goal?" or "you have won. (points mic at winner)"

reminds me of http://youtube.com/watch?v=5x8ARIxg51I&mode=related&search=
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 31, 2006, 12:42:58 PM
Interview: Evangeline Lilly
The luminous Lost leading lady talks about the Season Two DVD set, Season Three secrets and who Kate should be canoodling with.

Before 2004, Evangeline Lilly was a virtual unknown, having done almost no professional work to speak of as an actress. Two years later, she's a magazine cover girl, a highly-touted leading lady, and the star of one of the hottest television shows on the air: Lost. Suffice it to say she makes success look great, leaving the rest of us mere mortals floundering for her attention - especially when you're one of 20 journalists hoping to quiz her about the new Lost Season Two DVD set.

Thankfully, IGN did catch up to Lilly at the Season Two party, albeit not in traditional interview circumstances; a helpful publicist pulled her over to talk for just a few minutes, where she generously offered some insights about the past, present and future of Kate, her character on the show.
   
IGN: Compared to Season One, how would you characterize or differentiate your experience working on Season Two of Lost?

Lilly: Season Two was less stressful because I had a little experience and I had something to draw from. It was also less stressful because we had other people to share the load with us; bringing in the tailies, in my opinion, was such a great relief for us because it meant that other people were there to carry the load a little bit for us. I think that Season One was kind of special in that it was the inception and it was my first baby steps into the industry, and it was a trial by fire. But definitely I think Season Two was easier and I'm hoping Season Three gets even easier.

IGN: What in particular do you think will grab people on the DVDs?

Lilly: Well, the features are incredible. The bonus features are great for satisfying the real Lost geeks who follow the show, who follow the program, and people who are obsessed with theories and the ideas behind it. I mean, it's a whole thing, the logo on the show. For me, the best part of the DVD bonus features was the fact that it had the true stars of the show on there which are the crew and the writers and the directors and the producers. These are people who make or break the show completely and utterly and you get to see their faces and here them talk and see what it's like to make this show. They get into great detail about what it's like to make a show and I even learned things that I didn't know. I didn't know about how they color adjust the scenes in order to make sure that everything matches. I just assume that it goes and that they make it. But there is all these different things and there are people out there who are hungry for that information.

IGN: Do you have an opinion who Kate should end up with - Jack or Sawyer?

Lilly: I actually used to have an opinion for most of Season One and Two. I used to feel that Sawyer was better for Kate because they were on the level with each other. They were really compatible in the way that they mutually understood and respected each other and Jack was always a little above Kate, a little high and mighty for Kate. But I feel like Kate has grown enough in these two seasons that she's kind of on a level with both of them now. I feel like it could split either way and Kate will be fine.

IGN: Will one of those relationships blossom more in Season Three?

Lilly: I don't know. You'd have to ask the producers. I can't confirm or deny these rumors.

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

IGN: What are you looking forward to personally and professionally in Season Three?

Lilly: Personally, I'm looking forward to yet again settling a little bit farther into the idea of the lifestyle in this industry because that's something that's also new to me. For the first two years, the first one in particular, it was very stressful and it was very intense and I just like the idea that as every year goes by that intensity will mellow and I will be able to spend a little bit more time relaxing and enjoying the benefits of the job and the industry rather than constantly trying to play catch up and learn and grow.

IGN: Did working in Hawaii help you feel more comfortable moving into 'Hollywood'?

Lilly: Probably because I think that being isolated from the Hollywood world of premieres and red carpet events was probably good for me because I could ease into those at will and by my own choice. But in other aspects, when it comes to fanfare Hawaii is nuts and in L.A. they're all so jaded. They don't care. They see another star and it's like, 'oh yeah, we've seen a hundred of them before. You're a dime a dozen'. Which is a little bit easier to deal with.

IGN: Can we expect Kate to be with the Others at the start of Season Three based on what happened at the end of Season Two?

Lilly: I would expect so. So far what I have filmed has been fifty/fifty. I filmed my first episode with Henry Gale, my first scene, I mean, with Henry Gale which was really, really wonderful. I think that everyone knows that he's a fantastic actor and he's an utter gentleman in real life, but it was fun to work with a gentleman and have them call action and have him be this really, really creepy guy.

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

IGN: Has living in Hawaii changed the way you dress and live?

Lilly: Yeah, definitely it's changed. I can't wear scarves and boots and coats and hats anymore and I miss it like crazy. Of course I do. I'm a good Canadian girl. I miss all that good stuff. I miss tobogganing and I miss snowboarding, but I've also learned to surf and I've become a water baby which I used to be relatively terrified of the water and I kayak all the time now and I'm able to run year round on the beach which you can't obviously do in Canada. So there is all of that and it has been really great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on August 31, 2006, 01:29:37 PM
Interview: Evangeline Lilly

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

[...]

IGN: Who have the fans been rooting for you to hook up with?

Lilly: I've read statistics online. I've read statistics in magazines and I've read my fan mail and I can't get a number one way or the other. It seems to just yo-yo back and forth.

Not a bad interview. Here's to Kate canoodling with Jack.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: matt35mm on August 31, 2006, 02:08:06 PM
Before 2004, Evangeline Lilly was a virtual unknown, having done almost no professional work to speak of as an actress.
WHAT?  She was the spokeswoman for the #1 Chat Hotline in America!  Acting her ass off in those commercials seen nationwide!

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on August 31, 2006, 05:45:27 PM
What's worse is those aren't really all that attractive.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on September 01, 2006, 11:28:04 AM
Check this shit out!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SomaRkeKD5c
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 03, 2006, 01:13:04 AM
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Best Buy exclusive!

Lost (Season 2) with an exclusive bonus disc containing "Reckoning," a complete 43-minute episode that catches viewers up on Season 2 through a narrated series of scenes from previous episodes. Other features on the bonus disc include:

*Lost on Location: "What Kate Did" and "The Other 48 Days" — behind-the-scenes looks at the making of two episodes, including cast and crew interviews. Gives the fans a chance to see just what it takes to make Lost a reality.
*Deleted scenes
*2 deleted-scene Easter eggs hidden in the menu
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 05, 2006, 09:26:29 PM
Eko of a Traffic Arrest

The Lost crew certainly know how to find themselves in traffic court.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who plays the possibly deceased drug lord-turned-faithful button pusher Mr. Eko, was arrested early Saturday morning in Waikiki, becoming the third cast member from the hit ABC show to be arrested on a traffic violation in the past year.

The 39-year-old Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who also starred in Get Rich or Die Tryin' and Oz, was picked up at 2:25 a.m. for disobeying a cop and driving without a license, after which he spent six hours in jail before posting $500 bail. He is scheduled to appear in district court Sept. 26.

The fact that Akinnuoye-Agbaje was on the island of Oahu at all is a pretty decent indicator that he'll be showing up for Lost's third season, despite his having been down in the hatch with Desmond and Locke as an electromagnetic force of indeterminate origin tore through the space and subjected everyone else on the island to a bright white light and a high-pitched noise.

Some of Eko's fellow Tailies haven't been so lucky. Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, who also got more than a glimpse of the inside of a Hawaiian jail last year after being arrested on DUI charges, were both killed off of the show in May, victims of Michael's stop-at-nothing plan to find Walt.

Watros, who played mental patient/pretend-clinical psychologist Libby, and Rodriguez, who portrayed the surly Ana Lucia, failed sobriety tests within 15 minutes of each other Dec. 2 on Oahu's Pali Highway. Both were taken into custody and released on $500 bail.

But while Watros pleaded guilty to one DUI charge in January and received a fine and counseling and had her driver's license suspended for 90 days, Rodriguez had racked up two speeding tickets in Honolulu and was on probation for two driving-related incidents in Los Angeles. She ended up pleading guilty and opting to spend five days in a Hawaiian jail and cough up a $500 fine rather than do 240 hours of community service.

Back in L.A., Rodriguez admitted she had violated the terms of her probation and was sentenced to 60 days in county jail. Due to overcrowding and the fact that she was a nonviolent offender, however, the Fast and the Furious star was only locked up for four hours and 27 minutes on May 25 before she was sent on her merry, yet hopefully slower, way.

Lost's creators denied that Rodriguez's legal woes had anything to do with her character getting bumped off. Then again, if they reacted every time a cast member violated a law, there'd be no one left to discover just what the Others are up to. Except Walt, that is. He's too young to drive.

Per the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, at least six other castaways have had run-ins on the mean (and usually slow-moving) streets of Hawaii:

Sawyer: Josh Holloway paid $153 in fines for going 53 miles-per-hour in a 35 mph zone Sept. 21, 2005.
Charlie: Dominic Monaghan has had two speeding tickets that have ended up costing him $324 in fines. A citation issued Mar. 10 for driving without a valid license has since been dismissed.
Sayid: Naveen Andrews had to shell out $122 after breezing through a 45 mph zone at 70 mph Oct. 15, 2004. He then topped himself Mar. 9, 2005, going 70 in a 35 mph area. Andrews pleaded no contest and paid $232.
Boone: Ian Somerhalder was lucky to not meet the same fate as his Lost character after going 42 in a 25 mph zone. He shelled out $202 and landed a role in the wi-fi horror flick Pulse.
Steve: Flashback denizen Christian Bowman was fined $112 for going 53 mph in a 35 mph zone. He wrote a letter to the court and the citation was reduced to 48 mph.
Michael: Harold Perrineau Jr. got a ticket for having no car insurance and no safety check. Case dismissed after the actor was able to produce proof of insurance.


We think it's about time ABC cuts its losses and commissions a bus to ferry the large cast around.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2006, 01:33:48 AM
'Lost' soul mates
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

BURBANK, Calif. — Lost's second-season finale — "Live Together, Die Alone" — might be a good motto for the men who wrote it.

Longtime friends and executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof are at the center of the success of the third-season ABC drama (which returns Wednesday at 9 ET/PT). Their spinning of the tale of plane-crash survivors in an isolated world, and their miserly parceling out of clues to the island's mysteries, enthrall millions.

The creative partnership — forged by a call to Cuse when Lost's co-creator J.J. Abrams had to ease away to direct Mission: Impossible III— works because of, rather than despite, their contrasts on many levels.

Cuse, 47, who gave Lindelof his first TV writing job on Nash Bridges, is the mentor — tall, wearing a crisp oxford shirt and jeans, with an authoritative voice made for voice-overs. Lindelof, in Cuse's office as they review a script, is younger (33) and shorter — the protégé in jeans, purple T-shirt and Yankees cap. He has what he calls a "hyperbolic" nature, tempered by Cuse's calm.

Cuse, father of three, is the early bird, ticking off his tasks as the sun rises. Night owl Lindelof, sleep-deprived as a new first-time father, works in the wee hours. Both write, frequently together.

Lindelof enjoys spending three hours breaking down scenes in the editing room. Cuse is the problem solver, working out details with producers in Hawaii, where Lost is shot.

"We have complementary talents," Cuse says. But "we see the show very similarly. There's very little we don't fundamentally agree on, whether it's the direction of the show, the aesthetics or the stories we want to tell people."

The prospect of bringing an island world to life once terrified Lindelof. Now, they both say, the show has become its own entity. Cuse says it guides them like The Force in Star Wars. Lost "is bigger than us," says Lindelof. "It's like, when one of us has an idea, we feel that's what the show wanted us to do."

The Force obviously is with them:

•Lost has achieved cult-worship status, marked by numerous books and fan websites, with broad enough appeal to draw an average 15.4 million viewers (down 4% vs. Season 1) while facing No. 1 American Idol part of last year. It won an Emmy and Golden Globe for best drama; Abrams won a directing Emmy.

• It's the most popular ABC show on iTunes, with more than 8.5 million downloads. Sales of Season 1's DVD have topped 1.6 million copies, trailing only 24's first season among drama series, and the Season 2 set was No. 1 in sales for the first full week of September. This summer, Lost experimented with a multimedia Web hunt called The Lost Experience.

• The series spawned a wave of serialized mysteries that feature large casts, unite strangers or touch on otherworldly elements: Invasion, Surface and Threshold last year; Jericho, Heroes, Vanished and The Nine this fall.

To remain a success, Lindelof and Cuse say they need to make sure the characters come first. So far they've succeeded, says author Stephen King, whose apocalyptic The Stand influenced Lost.

"They're great storytellers," says King, a fan. "Very few TV show creators seem as able to convey the sense of awe the unknown causes in us, and the hold it has on our imaginations."

From conception to sensation

The concept for Lost— an island drama with elements of Castaway and Survivor — was devised late in the 2004-05 development season. Alias' Abrams, skilled in action and suspense, was set to make it. With the time constraints, Lindelof, an up-and-coming writer with an interest in sci-fi and comic books, came on.

He was "completely in sync" with Abrams, says Bryan Burk, a longtime Abrams associate who heads Lost's extensive post-production from the Disney lot. At their first meeting, "he walked in wearing a Star Wars fan club T-shirt. We're like, 'Hey, how are we not best friends already?' "

"Damon has an incredible sense of story," Abrams says. "We immediately clicked in terms of the importance of character and emotion." Presuming Lost was the longest of long shots, the pair decided to make the pilot they wanted, breaking traditional casting and plot rules.

The critical and audience reception confirmed others wanted it, too. But Abrams was taking on his first feature film directing assignment, and overseeing Alias and more pilots. And Lindelof was spooked by the looming challenge. "I quit the show three times," he says.

Cuse talked him out of leaving and eventually joined the show.

Lindelof "was suddenly, in my absence, besieged by all this stuff. Carlton provided the bolstering he desperately needed," says Abrams, who wrote Wednesday's premiere with Lindelof, and hopes to direct an episode this season. "They've taken the show we created and continued it in a way that I really admire."

"Initially, I thought it would be Damon the pure writer-artist-auteur, and Carlton would bring skills from having run so many shows successfully," ABC entertainment chief Steve McPherson says. "But it's like they morphed into one person. They seem to do everything together."

Hammering out the plot kinks

In the writers' room, decorated with pictures of Hawaii and the show's cast — with one board featuring photos of departed characters, under the heading R.I.P. — Lindelof is chatty, giving his fellow writers an update about caring for his month-old son, Van, and the toll it takes on sleep: "I'm reacting like five minutes after things happen."

After a few minutes of chatter, Cuse tries to get the staff focused on the season's eighth episode.

"Yeah, kids are great, all right," says writer Adam Horowitz, drawing laughs by gently mocking Cuse's businesslike transition.

As writer Edward Kitsis lays out the episode, broken down into five acts on a dry-erase board, Lindelof and Cuse do much of the talking. Lindelof free-associates more, as Cuse crystallizes points of the discussion. The episode is part of a season the producers say will offer more romance and adventure, examine the dynamic of Us vs. Them and — in one of their many cryptic references — play with our conceptions of time.

During the hour-long meeting, pop culture and literary references are tossed about. The discussion caroms from Peggy Sue Got Married to An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge, Star Trek: The Next Generation, A Christmas Carol, Eyes Wide Shut and Wonka bars.

Lindelof is a fount of pop culture details; Cuse knows science facts. "Carlton is the guy you'd want to be on the island with," Lindelof says. "I would be entertaining at the campfire."

In one scene, a knotty problem is suddenly solved by a character switch that both stokes a new romance and stirs jealousy. Cuse says later, revisiting The Force metaphor: "As we were working toward a solution, the show told us what needed to happen."

As Lost's plentiful religious references might suggest, both men seek spiritual meaning. Lindelof approaches from a Jewish upbringing, with Cuse having been raised Catholic.

On this day, Lindelof and Cuse are dealing with elements of seven episodes, including revisions to a script they are writing together. As they head to an editing room to assess a scene from the second episode, a visual-effects coordinator walks up with a laptop to show a riveting season-opening sequence. Abrams comes out of a room where he's reviewing scenes from his new series, Six Degrees, and the three watch intently. "That's cool. That's crazy," Abrams says.

Later in Cuse's office — which features two old Dodger Stadium seats, numbered 15 and 16 (from the infamous sequence 4, 8, 15, 16, 23, 42) — they review their script, then discuss another one with fellow producer Jeff Pinkner.

On most days they're together only about half the time, splitting up duties. "He trusts me to do the things I do, and I trust him," says Lindelof, whose nearby office is a Lost mini-museum, with Mr. Eko's "Jesus stick," a concert poster for Charlie's band Driveshaft, and a model of Oceanic Flight 815 — angled downward.

The trust extends to their experienced colleagues. "In the same way that Damon and Carlton and Bryan trust me to be in the jungle supervising and executing the show, I trust them to do the final cut of the show," says Jack Bender, who oversees operations in Hawaii.

But organization only goes so far when plotting a series with no specific end date. Cuse and Lindelof, signed through the end of this season, say they can see the show concluding after five seasons, but they know it could go longer considering TV's economics.

Regardless, they have "a superstructure" set up that they think will keep the story on track, and a definite endgame. But that doesn't mean this TV entity will stop evolving. "We're putting this puzzle together, but there's no picture on the front of the box. And people keep adding new pieces, but they still have to fit together," Lindelof says.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on September 29, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
i kept waiting for the part where they reveal damon lindelof and carlton cuse are in fact lovers. that's the way to end a fluff piece.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on September 29, 2006, 12:08:09 PM
Shit, the season premiere is this week, isn't it?  I'm only on disc 4 of season 2.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on September 29, 2006, 01:38:27 PM
Shit, the season premiere is this week, isn't it?  I'm only on disc 4 of season 2.

Nope:

Wednesday, October 4 at 9/8c
"A Tale of Two Cities"
SEASON PREMIERE


You have plenty of time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 29, 2006, 01:53:25 PM
You have plenty of time.

But it's taken him 20 days to get to disc 4:
http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6100.msg232068#msg232068
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on September 30, 2006, 01:30:40 AM
But it's taken him 20 days to get to disc 4

I'm watching as much as I can on the weekends.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 04, 2006, 01:11:51 AM
The shadowy Others take charge on 'Lost'
By William Keck, USA TODAY

OAHU, Hawaii — Who are The Others, and what do they want with Jack?

It's the most precarious predicament looming over Lost as the hit ABC drama that is averaging 15 million viewers a week returns tonight (9 ET/PT) for a third season of island mystery and adventure.

This balmy August day, star Matthew Fox (Jack) is seated in his trailer, having just wrapped an emotionally draining season-premiere scene, another pre-plane-crash flashback with his character's former wife, Sarah (Julie Bowen).

The earlier part of Fox's week was spent shooting island scenes of being trapped like a mouse by The Others, the treacherous tribe so far portrayed as dirty, barefooted, heavily armed hillbillies. He'll spend much of his time under control of The Others before the series goes on hiatus after a Nov. 8 cliffhanger, then returns in February.

Despite his character's fragile mental state, Fox, 40, can crack a smile. Sprouting whiskers he intends to grow into a heavier beard as his character remains in captivity, Fox says, "I honestly think it's going to be the best year yet. I can tell by the way the producers are talking about the year ahead that the show's going to do a lot of things it hasn't done.

"And philosophically, it's going to touch on some cool issues."

After spending much of last season down in a gloomy hatch pressing a button to stave off a cataclysm, Jack now will see his buttons pushed by The Others. "The Others specifically want something from Jack," says Fox, adding that his character will be on the verge of losing his mind. "Jack is somebody who is obsessed about his need to control situations, and suddenly somebody else is pushing the buttons."

The situation will be a challenge for all the crash survivors who were captured, executive producer Carlton Cuse says. "Each of the characters has their own experience in captivity. They have to restart their lives again in a brand new society. Jack doesn't know where he is or what's happened to Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Sawyer (Josh Holloway). He doesn't even know if they're alive."

Throughout Season 2, the muddied faces of The Others began revealing themselves through the jungle's heavy brush.

But hints along the way, such as Kate's discovery of fake beards, costumes and makeup in a locker, indicated that their villainous ways were not as they seemed.

Michael Emerson portrays the crafty Other who assumed the identity of Henry Gale as he taunted Jack and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) as their captive last season. Now a series regular, Emerson reminds viewers to heed the foreshadowing line his character spoke to Michael (Harold Perrineau) in the season finale: "We're the good guys."

"Not only does he believe that, but it's probably true," Emerson says.

Dressing for success

Tonight, The Others will unveil their new fall wardrobe. And don't expect them to be living in what producers dubbed "Yurtville" — that primitive community of skin tents where Michael was reunited with Walt and that was discovered abandoned by Sayid (Naveen Andrews) in the finale.

"The viewers will be introduced to a surprising, civilized new setting. It appears we've been on the island a long, long time," Emerson teases.

When it comes to revealing specific plot points, the cast and producers turn evasive. They're hoping to re-create the "holy mackerel" moment achieved in last season's opener when the contents of the island's hatch were revealed: A man, Desmond, was living in a souped-up subterranean apartment. "The first five minutes of Season 3 we really think is going to blow people's minds," Cuse says. "I think we have come up with something that is compelling and surprising."

Adds Holloway: "It's so awesome. It's epic. ... They're using part of an existing set and adding on to it. The location is so secluded and gives you a feeling of isolation, which is the magic of the show."

As the season progresses, island flashbacks will provide viewers with more information on the actions of The Others since the crash of Flight 815. "One of the things we're exploring this year is how we tend to objectify people in society that we don't know anything about," Cuse says. "We start to see what the world might look like from The Others' point of view and what their view of our people might be."

Says Fox: "For two seasons, the audience and these characters have vilified these mysterious Others. In one fell swoop, we're going to be thrust into 180-degree switch of perspective in looking at the situation from their point of view."

Humanity and love?

Emerson, who shares scenes in the premiere with Lilly's Kate, says Henry will become more humanized by revealing his true name (a name "I never would have chosen," he says). And he'll be involved in a romance of sorts. In fact, he says, "themes of seduction and rejection will predominate this year."

It may be no coincidence that Jack, Sawyer and Kate, the players in one of TV's hottest love triangles, ended up on The Others' most-wanted list. "The love story is a part of it," Cuse says. "The Others have been observing our characters, and (the three) will be pretty surprised to discover that."

But the love triangle that launched almost right from the series debut soon will crumble when Kate chooses between Sawyer and Jack, and Jack meets the mysterious Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell).

Like so much on Lost, the newcomer's name is no coincidence. Shakespeare's Juliet, one of literature's greatest romantic figures, fell in love with a handsome member of an opposing clan.

Already conceptualizing a long run for Juliet, Cuse says, "It will be really compelling when we get her first flashback story and find out who she was off the island."

Though Fox acknowledges Jack still has feelings for both Kate ("on some deep level") and ex-wife Sarah ("you'll see that unresolved stuff with Sarah put to bed"), he is looking forward to seeing whether Jack and Juliet evolve into a great love story.

"The circumstances in which these two people meet are far from romantic," he says. "But what she brings into Jack's world creates an interesting vibration."

Eager to return to his real island family — wife Margherita, their daughter, Kyle, 9, and son, Byron, 4 — Fox exits his trailer, thankful that his own captivity has ended for another day. He immediately is intercepted by a production assistant who hands him a sealed envelope with the next top-secret Lost script. Slapping the envelope, the sly Fox looks over his shoulder and teases, "Wouldn't you like to see this?"

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*READ AT OWN RISK*

'Lost' returns in fine form despite flaws 
* * * 1/2 (out of four)
By Robert Bianco, USA TODAY

The best is back.

Not quite at its best, mind you. I prefer Lost when it's less claustrophobic and more optimistic than it is in Wednesday's much-anticipated third-season premiere. But whether you love this episode or not (and some assuredly will), there is just something about the show's sweep, reach and audacity that lifts Lost so far above the run-of-the-mill norm, it might as well be on its own island.

If you doubt that claim, all you have to do is watch the astounding opening segment of this episode, written by Lost co-creators Damon Lindelof and J.J. Abrams. In one eye-popping five-minute stretch, they and director Jack Bender encapsulate the show's signature style and appeal: the contrast of beautiful scenery with hideous events, the note of tension that plays under even the most seemingly benign behavior, the images that seem to be one thing and turn out to be another, and the characters who cry out for further exploration.

Though there are many characters worth exploring, most of them will have to wait for another week. Tonight's tightly focused outing stays centered on Jack (Matthew Fox), Sawyer (Josh Holloway) and Kate (Evangeline Lilly), who are being held captive by Henry Gale (Michael Emerson) and The Others — which is where we left them at the end of last season.

Separated from each other, the captives respond in ways fans have come to expect. Jack is aggressive and proactive, determined to fix the situation as quickly as he can. Sawyer is insolent. And Kate, who has gone through a bad stretch, is defeated.

As if they were trapped in a particularly intense episode of The Prisoner, or maybe Planet of the Apes, the three captives face a bizarre array of tasks and punishments as they are set upon by captors whose behavior seems inexplicable. Secrets are revealed, escape plans are made, but the overriding tone is one of despair.

Though all three endure physical torments, the torment of memory is reserved for Jack, the show's nominal hero and our surrogate on the island. At a low point in his island stint, Jack flashes back to a low point in his life: his divorce from his wife (Julie Bowen) and his conflict with his father (John Terry).

With so few characters on display and so little interaction with the rest of the island, tonight's premiere may be smaller in scale and more scenically confined than some would like. The advantage, though, is that you ease back into the show without needing to remember exactly where you left off.

And where was that? When last we saw them, Michael had retrieved Walt from The Others — his reward for leading Jack, Kate and Sawyer into a trap — and the two of them headed off the island. Hurley had been sent back to camp to warn the castaways to keep their distance; Sayid, Jin and Sun were exploring uncharted island territory; and Locke, Eko and Desmond were dealing with the consequences of destroying the hatch, their fates still up in the air.

Even with so many castaways sidelined, this is a fine start for a great series, yet it does raise red flags. After a season where he seemed to be outsmarted at every turn, it would be nice to see Jack win one again for the team. Yes, we want him to be a fully drawn human with flaws, but he's in danger of becoming all flaw and no hero.

What's more, while myth and fantasy are a large part of Lost's appeal, the writers have to be careful not to let the intricacies of the myth overwhelm the show. The don't-go-there template is not X-Files; it's Alias, a series that became so entranced by its puzzle and its villains that it let the main characters vanish behind them.

We're not headed down that road yet. But even the best shows have to be wary of what's ahead, and ready to step back.

When a show is this good, we can't afford to let it get lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 04, 2006, 08:06:03 PM
First Five minutes?  Total Twilight Zone... loving it....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 04, 2006, 09:11:48 PM
This whole thing was great, so was the promo for next week's - "I WANT THAT BOAT!!!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 04, 2006, 09:22:36 PM
yeah it was awesome.  the way Juliet kept talking to Jack i wanted him to punch her face in.  i dont care what they reveal about her character down the line, i'll hate her forever for this.  i think the episode would've been even more awesome had when she said she was coming in to feed him again he had done the exact same thing and tackled her again and tried to escape.  it would've shown that he's CRAZY DRIVEN like in the flashbacks.  oh well!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 04, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
The fact that she kept smiling when she talked is what bothered me.  She smirks in such a condescending way.  I wanted Jack to punch her in the face too but she's not completely insufferable like Ana Lucia.  I like that she's strong enough to knock him the fuck out in one punch.  Ethan never did that.  But I guess this is part of the Others mystery.  They obviously train like boxers.

So is anyone admitting yet that the 3 month break in between these 6 episodes and the remaining 17 is a bad idea?

And does that "You're not my type" quip from Zeke mean he's gay or that he just likes 'em big-boned?

I love this show.

Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 04, 2006, 10:15:45 PM
and we know where the bears came from...

The only thing I didnt' like in this episode was the "is she happy?" line... I understand the point of the sentiment, but I just don't think he would immediately ask "Oh, does it say in your file there that my ex-wife is happy?  because if you say 'yes', I'll totally believe you".

I'm a little worried that we know too much about the island now... I know they're going to have to either introduce a shit load more questions or just not answer anything else for two seasons.

So is anyone admitting yet that the 3 month break in between these 6 episodes and the remaining 17 is a bad idea?

No, I understand and appreciate the reasoning behind this... it's like two seasons in one... it's not like we're getting less Lost, we're just not guessing whether each week will be new or a repeat like we have been.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:10:50 AM
i think the episode would've been even more awesome had when she said she was coming in to feed him again he had done the exact same thing and tackled her again and tried to escape.  it would've shown that he's CRAZY DRIVEN like in the flashbacks.  oh well!

But I think that they learned his Achilles Heel; what tamed Jack. Which is why Henry Gale Ben tells Juliet, "Good work."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:17:47 AM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 05, 2006, 01:23:11 AM
Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Not that I knew it was Carrie, but The Stand was a shit choice because that book would have had to have been carried around in a wheelbarrow it's so big.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 05, 2006, 01:30:09 AM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 05, 2006, 01:32:18 AM
Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Not that I knew it was Carrie, but The Stand was a shit choice because that book would have had to have been carried around in a wheelbarrow it's so big.

I just remembered all the book club dialogue about how "there's no metaphor there... it's just standard religious symbolism... blah blah blah," and immediately assumed (even before I saw Juliet holding the book with STEPHEN KING so prominent across the front) it must be The Stand.

Why the hell would it be Carrie, though?  Carrie doesn't have anything to do with anything.  Anyway, the important thing is that I didn't lose my five dollars, because my brother bet that the book was It.

Did anyone else get the impression that while the producers were looking to cast the part of Juliet, they happened to watch Running Scared, saw Elizabeth Mitchell in that, and stopped looking?  Nobody in the world can play creepiness masked as friendliness quite like she can.

EDIT:
Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.

Totally vindicated.   8)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on October 05, 2006, 01:45:12 AM
what a wonderful show.  this is the first full thing i've ever seen in actual HD and it blew me away.  boom boom boom
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 05, 2006, 07:09:09 AM
Loved it. Jack is seriously the best character in this fucking thing with the possible exception of Henry "Ben" Gale. Sawyer and Kate kissing next week will piss me off to no end, I know it. I actually liked Juliet; I think she actually likes Jack and dislikes Ben, judging by how she acted toward Jack (which, while possible it may have been for show, I thought was mostly genuine and she didn't like having to do it) and how she acted toward Ben (seemed pretty disdainful to me).

Meanwhile we learned this about the island:
The others have a suburban community there
They had the polar bears
Jack's nuts
Zeke's nuts for nut (maybe)
They know everything about Jack

Quite a lot for one episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 05, 2006, 08:16:44 AM
Oh, and I looked again.  The book they're reading in the beginning is Carrie.  A hint, perhaps, or just a shout-out to their #1 fan?

Goddamnit.  I bet my brother 5 bucks that it was The Stand.

Actually, it was The Stand that Juliet had. The guy with the glasses and yellow shirt had Carrie, and the Black woman had Insomnia I believe.

I'll look again but I remember Juliet's book looking way too thin for The Stand, even the original printing was over 800 pages. 

The red/orange book that one of the women had was definitely this Carrie:

(http://ec3.images-amazon.com/images/P/0671039725.01._AA240_SCLZZZZZZZ_.jpg)

But anyway, why would a book club not be reading the same book?

I just remembered all the book club dialogue about how "there's no metaphor there... it's just standard religious symbolism... blah blah blah," and immediately assumed (even before I saw Juliet holding the book with STEPHEN KING so prominent across the front) it must be The Stand.

Why the hell would it be Carrie, though? Carrie doesn't have anything to do with anything. Anyway, the important thing is that I didn't lose my five dollars, because my brother bet that the book was It.

Not that it's not already too blatant with any direct Stephen King reference (which is now blowing my mind because when Henry's locked up in the hatch, they give him Dostoevsky to read and he asks, "You don't have any Stephen King?" to stay in character), The Stand is too well known as a major influence on the show. 

Carrie fits that book club talk as well.  I was asking if it was a hint since it's about telekinesis and all that but now that I think of it, the book itself is irrelevant since it's clear Juliet and the other formerly known as Henry Gale are at odds, probably divorced, and the Stephen King thing is just a representation of that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on October 05, 2006, 08:32:50 AM
ok so time for me to stop reading this thread again.

i didn't do a year-end review when the 2nd season finished here cos it was ridiculously late, just like 2 months ago.

see you all (in this thread) in a year! (reason i can't steal shows is cos my monitor is totally broken, colours don't look right and is too dark, until i get a new one it's too much effort to steal a show, put it on cd/dvd in avi form or whatever, take it to someone else's computer and watch it.) sucks cos if i'd be watching it at the same time as you jerks, i'd be posting in here pretty much non stop. as it is, it's just no fun to come in late with it.. the communal discovery/speculation is half the fun.

oh well, long live this show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 05, 2006, 10:49:38 AM

The only thing I didnt' like in this episode was the "is she happy?" line... I understand the point of the sentiment, but I just don't think he would immediately ask "Oh, does it say in your file there that my ex-wife is happy?  because if you say 'yes', I'll totally believe you".


I actually believe that Jack asked that because he was hoping she WASN'T happy with this Other Man.
Shit I've dealt with a fucked-up girl who was all ready to marry me for our few months dating, and then when we decided "we cant do that right now" she finds a guy who is NOT in school and is a real retard and I have no idea what he's like and then...
well, finding out a person you cared for is happy when you're not...you'll accept that they are and want to throw up over it no matter what.

ok enough personal drama


I thought the beginning was cool, a li'l silly when he sends Ethan and Goodwin off real quick-like to be "survivors".  But then, when I think silly is too much, I look back to the first episode where Kate, Charlie and Jack walk past some bushes and Vincent is hiding in them.  They play this OMINOUS MUSIC that makes you go "SHIT! that dog is EVIL!!!!"
Yup. Like the Shifty-Eyed Dog from The Simpsons? hahah ok I got over that moment fast and looked more into the show.
I can't wait for the rest of the season.  I do not think they can let it dissolve into complete crap because I would hate that and then kill the people who make television.
THE END.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 05, 2006, 12:30:58 PM
Yea I couldn't tell what his motivation for asking if the wife was happy...was. I was thinking the whole time that I'd want her to be miserable, but it seemed his reaction was one of those ubiquitous 'tears of joy/regret' moments, and not necessarily anger that she's happy without him. But fuck, I can't get over Kate-Sawyer. Those fuckers are going to be haunting my nightmares.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 05, 2006, 05:26:51 PM
Really great season opener IMO. I like the direction this seems to be going in but I just can't stand Jack's flashbacks anymore. Couple funny parts I thought: "You're not my type" line, the quip about the bears doing it in 2 hrs and then Sawyer asking how many there were. Then the really creepy part when Ben told Kate to get ready for the next 2 weeks. Yikes. Wonder what kind of torture/training they have in mind. It was cool and all to see that money shot of the island but there is no way those two guys could have ran all that way and been there in an hour.

Pubrick: So why can't you get another monitor before next year?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 05, 2006, 06:08:50 PM
I dont think the fact Ethan and the other guy went fast means they got in an hour. If you think about it, between the crash and the whole mess it took several hours until people realized what happened and were able to regroup and start taking care of each other... but anyways I thought the openning sequence was excellent... like the 2nd season, with the music, and making you wonder who the fuck that is and if its a flashback or what is going on.

Pubrick, I may have a cheap solution for you, but I dont know if you can get it. The cheapest DVD players on the market (less than $50 in the US) read almost every format availble. I have a Philips DVD player that cost me $39.99 in BestBuy a while back and reads .avi, .mpegs, etc... I usually watch the downloaded shows with that when I dont use my laptop.

Anyways, I cant wait for next week... it was an amazing episode and they only showed Kate, Jack and Sawyer... I want to know what the fuck happened with Desmond and Locke!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 05, 2006, 06:49:30 PM
this.  show.  is.  so.  awesome. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 08, 2006, 06:28:44 PM
I don't know what to make of the season premiere.  Unlike most other episodes, this one had nothing recognizable to grab onto.  We're thrown into a completely foreign situation with no idea of what's going on.  And I thought the hatch was weird...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 12, 2006, 02:04:04 AM
Wow... where the hell is everyone?

It's very late, just finished watching tonights episode and I was expecting already something here about it...

Anyways, I didn't like the episode that much. It was one of those episodes where nothing really happens... but they are leading to.... whatever the fuck huge thing will happen next. The only big thing was Sawyer-Kate, but it was too short to make an impact.

Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show... but I love this shit so I'm hoping this episode was necessary so that we can get to the next one... thats all I can say... and Sayid is smart enough to detect the footsteps on the dock but he doesnt think they may come from a differet direction...

Where is Desmond, Locke and Hurley!!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 02:46:37 AM
Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show...

I loved that part.  Somehow, suddenly tying it in to "the real world" had a very unsettling effect.  Like we, as an audience, can't afford to dismiss it as fantasy, because they know about real stuff that's happened!!!  It was a nice moment of levity, for sure, but oddly uncomfiting at the same time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 12, 2006, 06:47:38 AM
And that's why we all should have realized before the season 2 finale that nothing happened to the outside world.  Because it's set in our world.

SPOILERS

At first I was really pissed off that Sun wound up fucking the bald dude when she had convinced Jin (and the rest of us) that she hadn't been with another man, but that was justified pretty well by the opening flashback; she can lie through her teeth and not give a fuck.  So I was satisfied.  Not happy but satisfied.

And let's talk about the fact that Ben/Henry has been living on the island all his life?!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 12, 2006, 12:07:37 PM
yea i like the fact that they've kept what's been happening in real time, which rules out the whole apocalyptic storyline.  sayid was a retard for thinking they wouldn't come from the water. nathan did it in the first season. 

anyone else think they bald guy's "suicide" was fishy?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 12, 2006, 12:42:28 PM
OK, I liked this episode. The Red Sox moment was actually quite sweet for just the reason polka said. It's much more unsettling for some reason to see that all this stuff is happening in conjuction with all the events of the rest of the world still going on. No longer can we expect to see this show as an insular (pun) piece of fiction, even though they tried to prevent that through the flashbacks, but I think that moment really hit home the fact that they aren't simply isolated in this little pocket world.

Kate-Sawyer didn't piss me off as much as I thought it would, mostly because it was difficult to ascertain her emotions in the whole thing. That one lady that held the gun to Kate is clearly not as sweet and naive as the first episode might have suggested. In both episodes there've been hints that she's just as unsympathetic and manipulative as ny of the other Others...but I wonder how her part will play out.

I think Sun is suddenly a much more interesting character. Her fear of her father seems to have affected her pretty deeply, what with her lying and/or hiding the truth to escape blame.

Ben is cool. I'm sure he'll be one of the highlights of the season. Living on the island his whole life....hmm...

Desmond Locke and Hurley will be next episode, kal. At least, Locke, Eko, and Hurly will be next episode, going by the preview.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 12, 2006, 01:21:14 PM
best line of the show, “you never made me soup.”  Which tells us benny’s been in Jack’s place? 

episode was pretty darn great the more I ponder on it.  sun’s first flashback showing how she was easily capable of lying to her father as a child.  at first, it left you feeling, “I don’t care about this, I don’t wanna see her flashback, what the hell is going on with des/locke/ecks?!”  then of course how easy it was to lie to her husband and progress those lies.  and did she really get pregnant on the island or is it baldy’s baby?  and the action with jin beating baldy but not killing him then his body landing on his car - i didn't think sucide, i thought father having concerns of jin not getting the job done, someone else took care of it.  and then the whole ben telling jack what happened in the last sixty days thing - laughing at the remarks of the sox winning the series then seeing it happen bit.  i thought that was really good.

i initially thought it was an okay 'build up to' episode, but the more I think about it, it may have been better than the opener.  longer and less commercial breaks that’s for sure.  aaah, the magic of this show...   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 12, 2006, 01:24:16 PM
anyone else think they bald guy's "suicide" was fishy?

Actually, my first thought was, "Damn, Sun's dad sent a guy after Jin to make sure the job was done."  Because it just seemed too soon for him to jump.  He's an Ivy League educated guy, he can't think this through? 

But sometimes a bald Korean falling out of a window is just a bald Korean falling out of a window.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 12, 2006, 01:54:29 PM
best line of the show, “you never made me soup.”  Which tells us benny’s been in Jack’s place? 

Nah, he was just flirting with her.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 12, 2006, 02:09:35 PM
I think you have to be somewhat masochistic to enjoy this show (which I do). Every week I go back for a beating.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 12, 2006, 02:11:23 PM
best line of the show, “you never made me soup.”  Which tells us benny’s been in Jack’s place? 

Nah, he was just flirting with her.

I think they were together before and something happened... that is why Ben is "out of the book club" and that is als why when the other woman (the one that got shot by Sun) goes downstairs and sees them talking... Juliet acts like what the fuck you care...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2006, 03:42:08 PM
Jack-Ben and the redsox was stupid... it suddenly seemed like a different show...

I loved that part.  Somehow, suddenly tying it in to "the real world" had a very unsettling effect.  Like we, as an audience, can't afford to dismiss it as fantasy, because they know about real stuff that's happened!!!  It was a nice moment of levity, for sure, but oddly uncomfiting at the same time.


What I thought after that scene played out was, Are they planning to do to Jack what they did to Michael and have him turn against his friends?  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on October 12, 2006, 03:58:52 PM
i also thought of kals interpretation.  and like mac am wondering WHAT THE FUCK are they doing to the 3 of them.  like some sort of human psychology experiment?  and also, do you think the others WANTED kate and sawyer to hook up?  methinks: maybe.  but i cannot figure out how the others got onto the boat without being seen by sayid and jin.  they couldnt have come from the woods or walked up the beach and if they sailed up in another boat they wouldve seen that too.  the only other way is to swim, but nobody was soaking wet.  i'm so glad sun shot the deadwood chick, because never let anyone tell you that you wont shoot them.  because that just makes me want to shoot them more.  i HATE elizabeth mitchells character of michelle rodriguezian proportions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2006, 04:25:49 PM
and like mac am wondering WHAT THE FUCK are they doing to the 3 of them.  like some sort of human psychology experiment?  and also, do you think the others WANTED kate and sawyer to hook up?  methinks: maybe.

I think so. Then they tell Jack something like, "See, Kate made her choice. There's nothing for you here. We'll send you back to your wife and home if you do this for us." They already hinted to this last night. Ben says, "If you cooperate, we'll send you home." Jack later says, "Home? Is that where you sent Walt and Michael?" Ben, "Yes."

Also, Danielle's daughter asked about the guy opposite Sawyer's cage from last week's episode (Carl), and said that Kate's dress was hers. Maybe the Others did this experiment with the two of them previously?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 12, 2006, 05:52:47 PM
I thought the same thing, actually. It seemed wierd to me that they separated Jack from everybody else, including Kate and Sawyer, while Kate and Sawyer are not only together but also with other people. I think they most definitely planned on there being some action between Kate and Sawyer, perhaps because they realize that that's what keeps Sawyer in his place and also because that'd torment Jack even if he outwardly doesn't show it. I'm sure they'll show him something of it before too long.

So if that explains why they wanted Sawyer and Kate then I guess the next question would be why Jack is so important to begin with. I doubt it's as simple as the fact that he's the "leader" of the group.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 12, 2006, 09:24:50 PM
Yeah, so these two episodes...very very awesome. Though I have many qualms with Jack's flashback, given that he seemed very much like the good son turning on his dad in the first season, now there's all this animosity that's built involving his wife, and I don't think the two events connect emotionally and chronologically. They're gonna have to do some footwork to cover that, I think. In any case, the transition back to present time where Jack just fucking goes ballistic and they cut mid-punch, that was some incredible work. Sun's backstory was also amazing. I was very distracted (roommate cleaning and fucking thunderstorm warning cropped screen bullshit), but it made me see how incredibly manipulative Sun is and how they've made her both sweet and heartwarming as well as coldly dishonest, all at once and in synchronicity. It's very strange, but makes here character much more dynamic and, for once, interesting.

Bald lover landing ON Jin's car...nice touch.

The preview for next week, "I think the explosion blew off your trousers"....haha, that seems like a very interesting idea of rebirth for Desmond. Hopefully Locke too, his fall from faith last season was moving and sad to see.

Also, Jeremy Blackman's dad is gonna be pissed when he finds his girlfriend shot on the boat.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2006, 11:52:40 AM
"Lost" Hit by Battleship Patinkin
 
Forget the Others. The greatest single threat to the survival of Oceanic Air Flight 815's castaways may just be Mandy Patinkin.
 
On Wednesday night, the mild-mannered star of stage, screen and Crestor commercials saw his two-season-old CBS crime drama, Criminal Minds, come within about 200,000 bodies of toppling ABC's Lost.

For the 9 p.m. hour, Lost tallied 16.9 million viewers; Criminal Minds, 16.7 million, Nielsen Media Research stats said.

That was the closest Criminal Minds has come yet to Lost during a regular-season matchup. And it was the latest sign that ABC's former Emmy winner has shoring up to do with its fan base.

CBS declared Wednesday's results a "virtual tie," and boasted that Criminal Minds beat Lost for the first time ever in household ratings. (As opposed to total viewers, which is akin to an old-fashioned headcount, household ratings represent the percentage of TV homes that are tuned to a particular show.)

Unbowed, ABC declared Lost the most watched show of the hour, and proclaimed it the highest-rated show of the night among demographically desirable 18-to-49-year-olds.

Still, the show was down 10 percent in viewers from last week's third-season premiere, which itself was down 20 percent in viewers from its second-season premiere.

Second-season characters and plotlines, such as Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and "They enter the hatch," have taken the brunt of blame for the listing Lost, at least at Jump the Shark, where the site's users debate the exact moment when Lost became lost.

But for all the suggested reasons as to where the show has gone wrong, the Jump the Shark category that has elicited the most votes is the one that suggests nothing has gone wrong: "Never jumped."

Ratings-wise, Lost isn't so much freefalling, as Criminal Minds is skyrocketing. Last season, Lost averaged 15.4 million viewers; Criminal Minds, 12.5 million.

Criminal Minds is making up some, but not nearly as much ground with young viewers. On Wednesday, Lost held a 53 percentage point advantage in the 18-to-49 demo over the show starring the cholesterol-lowering medicine pitchman.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 13, 2006, 12:28:16 PM
Which just goes to show you... what the fuck show is Criminal Minds?  I've never heard of it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on October 13, 2006, 01:48:14 PM
that was good. i loved the "you're shittin' me" look on jack's face when he heard that bush got reelected, superman died, and the red sox won the series.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 01:58:16 PM
Just watched it last night... it was great.

I think there's even more behind Sun than we've seen.  She may have had baldy killed herself.

I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

I also think that Michael IS on his way home, but he'll be back.

also: Season 1: Cave, Season 2: Hatch, Season 3: Villiage... maybe we'll see people get off the island sooner than expected.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 13, 2006, 02:13:57 PM
SPOILER








I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

Wasn't she the former owner of Kate's dress the one who helped Claire escape?  Did she have some ulterior motive for letting her out?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 03:17:26 PM
FURTHER SPOILERS

Right, I thought that woman was Alex -- the French lady's kid.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 13, 2006, 04:16:10 PM
do we really still need to write SPOILERS!!!

I guess I missed that... weird... I'll have to rethink my theory, but it's still possible.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on October 13, 2006, 05:17:33 PM
SPOILERS

I'm just doing it because everyone else is. In other news...

SOILERS

I just shit myself.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 14, 2006, 08:23:28 PM
FURTHER SPOILERS

Right, I thought that woman was Alex -- the French lady's kid.

Yes, she is Alex, she helped Clair escape from the medical hatch last season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 14, 2006, 09:26:57 PM
anyone else think kate's been turned?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 14, 2006, 10:40:59 PM
anyone else think kate's been turned?

No.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 14, 2006, 11:50:12 PM
haha. I had that same exact response planned but decided against it.

Reasons I don't believe Kate has turned:
1) it'd require an incredible leap of logic from what's been actually shown this season
2) Kate wouldn't turn that easily, and thus the process would be gradual and probably depicted in the show itself since she's a major character and hasn't disappeared or anything
3) if the Others are planning on turning on of their three captives I'd think it's Jack since he's isolated from everyone else
4) I dunno...no evidence to say that she has turned, that I can see.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 15, 2006, 12:46:44 AM
anyone else think kate's been turned?

No.

nope
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on October 15, 2006, 02:17:40 AM
that was one of the best episodes ever. the image of jack through the tv reflection/seeing tv for the first time in months and the kiss were what made it. i can't wait to find out why you would stay on an island forever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on October 15, 2006, 01:47:14 PM
because you can grow amazing weed on the island. im fairly certain that this season we'll discover that's the others main objective. all these psych-experiments, all these games, all designed to come up with the finest strand of pot there is. it would certainly explain the nigerian drug plane, and why everyone seems to be hallucinating all the time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on October 15, 2006, 04:04:32 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 15, 2006, 05:40:56 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 15, 2006, 07:15:41 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"

And Matthew Fox will say, "I had a dream that I was a spinal surgeon on an ABC drama that came on at 9pm on Wednesdays." And Scott Wolf will say, "That's so weird, I had a dream that I was a brain surgeon on an ABC drama that came on  at 10pm on Wednesdays."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on October 17, 2006, 01:22:41 PM
IT WAS ALL A DREAM

Yeah, season 5 is going to end with Matthew Fox waking up in a hospital bed with Neve Campbell, Scott Wolf, and Lacey Chabert standing around him, going, "Charlie! You're okay!"

 :laughing:  :shock: Just three years ago in that same day...

At the end of Revolutions, Iron Maiden will suddenly start playing. Neo will be violently sucked out of the Matrix. Cut to a bedroom. Ted Logan wakes up with a jolt. He calls his friend on the telephone and says, "Bill, I just had a most excellent nightmare!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 07:12:04 AM
I didn't like last night's episode. Some considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being? Also, Locke's flashbacks were a pretty far drop from his previous ones about his relationship with his father. When did he get involved in this giant marijuana family? Why? I didn't see these answered but maybe it's been hinted at before and I missed it and/or don't remember it.

The polar bear chase ending with Hurley was a pretty cheap attempt at suspense. Unless it turns out Hurley is a werebear, then it'd be cool.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 19, 2006, 09:00:53 AM
You didn't miss anything re: the commune.  Of all the main characters on the show, we know the least about Locke.  Everyone else has been more or less explained in their backstories.  Locke has the most pieces missing from his, so for every hippie drug dealing commune he turns up in, there's probably 5 things we have yet to learn about him. 

Locke has always regarded the island as an entity unto itself.  In season 2, he lost his faith but faithful Locke is back and I'm glad. 

The only thing I'm disappointed by is that I thought the black smoke had Eko in the same way that it tried to get Locke right around the season 1 finale.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 19, 2006, 11:39:04 AM
how about that ending though? just when i thought the show was getting it's feet on the ground... the whole thing with desmond talking about locke's speech has my brain in knots
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 19, 2006, 11:48:04 AM
liked it.  saw the ending coming cause i kept thinking about the desmond 'locke said so in his speech' line followed by his 'oh never mind' shrug off to hurly's reply.  i like lockes pregressive flashbacks.  like that we don't know how he ended up on the farm.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 12:07:17 PM
Locke has always regarded the island as an entity unto itself.  In season 2, he lost his faith but faithful Locke is back and I'm glad. 
Hmm, well considering I missed some of the first season (if they ever drop the DVD price I'll definitely be getting it), I always thought Locke considered the island more part of their destiny, that they were fated to crash there, and not as a being in and of itself, that could be communicated with via hippie drugs no less. It just seemed like a wierd transition, the only explanation being that the episode in the hatch at the end of last season suddenly made him realize this. I can understand him reverting to his opinion that the island/hatch is more than simply an island and even that he was meant to crash there, but suddenly needing to "speak to the island"? I dunno, I guess that's why they showed the hippie flashbacks with the meditating chamber and all that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 19, 2006, 12:11:52 PM
Some considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on October 19, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
I don't think we need to see how he ended up on the farm, I think it's pretty obvious and hopefully they won't waste time filling in that gap.

I don't think the island is "supernatural all of a sudden".. there's nothing new there.

So what kind of time travel are we dealing with here? 

oh, and...
I think the guy that tried to escape with Sawyer and the former owner of Kate's dress are plants.  They're there to earn trust.

Listened to the podcast and they confirmed that this is not the case since they've done that before and didn't want to do it again (not that that's stopped them before)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 19, 2006, 12:55:29 PM
by the way, the beginning had me thinking the whole episode was gonna be just like the one of the simpsons where homer coated his mouth with candle wax so he could withstand wiggum’s ‘acid like’ chili pepper, then ends up trippin' out the whole show. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 19, 2006, 02:08:15 PM
Some considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on October 19, 2006, 04:38:37 PM
Some considerable leaps of logic and now the island is like some sort of supernatural being?

But hasn't it always been a supernatural being? Locke can walk, Sun is preggo, Rose's cancer is in remission, the smoke monster, Kate's horse, Jack sees his dead father, Shannon sees Walt... and so on.
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.

Go back and watch the first season.  From very early on, Locke has considered the island to be a living entity.  Plus, his going on a vision quest was a direct callback to when he sent Boone on one in the first season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 19, 2006, 05:01:50 PM
I don't think it's as simple as 'Desmond can see the future!' During last night's great episode, he seemed more like he'd already been there, done that, and didn't have use for it anymore. I think it's more like he's already lived him, or somebody informed him of it. He seemed like he knew he should've stayed mum when he mentioned it to Hurley. Speaking of Hurley, his creepy look at the end of the episode gave me the chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 19, 2006, 06:14:58 PM
anyone else think the introduction of the two new characters was kinda awkward?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on October 19, 2006, 06:23:36 PM
anyone else think the introduction of the two new characters was kinda awkward?

Not awkward....just weird. Because they were just bystanders who talked, as opposed to the sudden introduction of Artz, who became important to the plot.

This was one of my favorite episodes. But I apparently missed Desmond's psychic moment at the end...need to d/l it, I guess. The spirit quest was the coolest fucking thing the show has done. And then weed? It makes so much sense. Like War of the Worlds kid guest starring.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 19, 2006, 07:14:12 PM
The deja vu part with Desmond/Hurley/Locke was the strangest thing... more than Locke talking to the Island and all that...

I dont know what to think of it... how did Desmond knew? And why was he naked after the implosion?


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on October 19, 2006, 10:27:05 PM
This was one of the best episodes.

Locke's flashback was really just a progression from being betrayed by those close to him, so he created/joined a surrogate family, and then effed that up too.  anything in between is fluff and unneeded, it should be easy to infer.

i wish desmond's 'speech' moment wasn't so obvious, like when the blond haired dude came up at the end and said "good speech, eh."  it was clear when locke started talking about his plans that this was what desmond was alluding to earlier, and it didn't strike me as weird or 'what-did-it-all-mean' as you guys make it seem.   haven't alot of the characters had dreams that show the distant future in someway at some point?  it seemed almost logical after locke's lynchian dream sequence (great), only furthering the island as an entity. 

tensions are high and i love it.   i love the choice not to cut back and forth between all the different stories thus far this season, rather keeping it focused on one or two characters at hand, making it almost claustrophobic.

 the first three have been great, here's hoping the next three are just as awesome.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 20, 2006, 06:58:09 AM

Go back and watch the first season.  From very early on, Locke has considered the island to be a living entity.  Plus, his going on a vision quest was a direct callback to when he sent Boone on one in the first season.
OK thanks - that would definitely help. Now I just need to find a cheap way of getting it.

And yea the two new people coming in was really awkward indeed. I wasn't even aware they were supposed to be new people, which made it even more awkward.

I give the episode a little more credit than I first did but I still think it's the weakest of the first three. Just personal preference, though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on October 22, 2006, 01:46:17 PM
Yea, that's all true. My point was that the whole "speaking to the island" bit seemed like a pretty far leap ("leap of logic" wasn't really the right way to put it; I meant more of a gap in Locke's development from last season to this), assuming he suddenly realized that this was possible after the hatch incident since he hasn't tried it before to figure anything out. I'm aware the island has always had supernatural undertones and unexplained mysteries, but that whole sequence still seemed out of place somehow, to me at least. Oh well, I'll think on it some more.


from what I can muster, Locke thought that even The Hatch was an entity the Island had guided him towards, and then came the 2nd season.  The Hatch was found to be totally man-made and kind of even depressing at some points because so much bad shit happened there and it was all about button-pushing.
Perhaps the last episode of S2 was the Locke who has always had faith in the Island testing it once and for all.  And now that we see The Hatch is but a transient entity, Locke can move on and put his faith BACK IN the Island like before.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 12:31:58 AM
SPOILERS ABOUT NEXT WEEK EPISODE
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++


Ok I just read that someone will indeed die next week. Someone very important. It was in this weeks Ask Ausiello...

Ausiello: Sawyer's not the one you should be worrying about. Next week, a major character (as in a series regular) whose name is not Sawyer will join Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby in the big island in the sky. And you're not going to believe who it is. I won't believe it until I see it with my own eyes. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on October 25, 2006, 09:21:22 AM
by next week do you mean tonight's episode or the next one?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 09:57:19 AM
well i put that early today.... so i mean next week, not next episode :)

also:

ABC Sets 'Lost' Return Date

Network yanks 'Extreme Makeover,' gives 'Legal' a Sunday shot

Zap2It.com

October 24 2006

"Lost" is coming back after its hiatus, and we now know when. The same can't be said for "Extreme Makeover," whose return to ABC turned out to be extremely brief.

The network has yanked the better-living-through-surgery show after just one airing last Friday, in which it pulled down fairly weak ratings. Reruns of "Grey's Anatomy," which had been airing in the timeslot, will move back there staring Friday, Nov. 3 (the Halloween special "It's the Great Pumpkin, Charlie Brown" fills the hour this week).

ABC made a couple other scheduling moves Tuesday, setting a February return date for "Lost" -- which will then run uninterrupted through the end of the season -- and giving "Boston Legal" a one-time-only airing in its old Sunday timeslot next month.

"Lost" will return to the schedule on Wednesday, Feb. 7, almost exactly three months after its final fall episode airs Nov. 8. The scheduling strategy is an effort by ABC to avoid repeats of the heavily serialized show; it has three more episodes to go in its initial run this fall and will have 16 weeks of uninterrupted episodes when it returns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 25, 2006, 10:51:39 AM
SPOILERS ABOUT NEXT WEEK EPISODE

My guess is Jin.  Sun shot Henry Gale's new woman and so he'll respond in kind.

But there's a theory going around that Desmond is dead and only Locke and Hurley can see him now.  Does anyone remember if anyone directly addressed him last week once they got back to the beach?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 25, 2006, 10:55:20 AM
Thats something I thought and I didnt say anything cause I thought it was stupid... hehe

I actually think that Desmond became a series regular, so I dont think he would stay all season as a ghost. But I did think at one point that maybe Hurley was the only one who could see him because he did not interact with anyone else during the episode and even when Locke gave his 'speech' he didnt go to talk to him or paid attention to him. The only one looking at him was Hurley.

But I think it was just another creepy Lost moment... I think he is alive.

Jin is a good option... and it wouldnt upset me so much... if it were Kate, Sawyer, Locke, Jack or Hurley I would be devastated...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 25, 2006, 02:10:43 PM
But there's a theory going around that Desmond is dead and only Locke and Hurley can see him now.  Does anyone remember if anyone directly addressed him last week once they got back to the beach?
No I don't believe anyone talked to Desmond or noticed him except for Locke and Hurley. I actually thought it strange that no one did, since I don't believe most people know of Desmond, but I may be wrong there. I don't get why Hurley would be able to see him; Locke makes sense I guess since he was with Desmond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 25, 2006, 04:37:05 PM
I think the synopsis for tonight said 'Nikki talks to Desmond' or something along those lines.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on October 26, 2006, 09:40:45 AM
SPOILERS

Well, thankfully we can put the "Deadsmond" theory to bed.  But the "Kate is an other" theorists probably shit themselves after she escaped from and WENT BACK in the cage.

It was an OK episode.  Nothing too thrilling but nothing boring either.

But I'm guessing Stanley Spector's dad is the one with the tumor.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on October 26, 2006, 01:32:43 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 26, 2006, 01:43:57 PM
The Others are Quentin Tarantino fans - that's why they're so fucked up!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on October 26, 2006, 02:30:43 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Agreed. Best show of the season thus far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 26, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
'okay episode?'  this was the best one this season thus far!  and the even betters are coming quick!  dammit i love this show.  don't even need to explain why this one was so good - if you saw it, you know why. 
Agreed. Best show of the season thus far.

I third that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on October 26, 2006, 06:41:52 PM
It was good, but I hope Desmond can't see into the future. Like, 108 minutes in to the future or something. I know last night they pretty much told us he can, but I'm going to keep pretending he can't until charlie says "You can see into the future?!?!" and Desmond answers "You got it, brother." So far, everything has been shown to be with in the realm of possibility, however improbable. And I liked that.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 27, 2006, 04:30:40 PM
I thought the episode was great, but I dont know if the best of the season. The thing was that a lot of Sawyer cant be bad.

It was great when he called the guy in prison "Costanza". And when Kate takes the shirt off and he uses the bucket of water to cool himself down. Funny.

I read somewhere that the woman that went to see the bald guy in prison was Shannons mom? Dont remember.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 30, 2006, 02:01:15 PM
Matthew Fox Talks Lost, Vantage Point
Source: ComingSoon

While he's best known for playing Dr. Jack Shephard on ABC's "Lost," actor Matthew Fox has been branching out into other things during his hiatus from the show, including the upcoming Warner Bros. football drama We Are Marshall, which opens in December. In that, he plays real-life Marshall University Assistant Coach Red Dawson, who lost his entire college football in a plane crash in 1970, then had to help a new coach (Matthew McConaughey) assemble a new team.

Having shot the movie over the summer, Fox is back in Hawaii shooting the new season of "Lost" and when he took some time off to talk to ComingSoon.net about the football drama, we also asked him a few questions about "The Others" and his feelings on the direction in which the show has been going. "I understand the audience missing some of those other dynamics, but the story is dictating right now that we're looking at the story more from The Others' perspective than our original survivors' perspective," he told us. "I think that's a really amazing thing that the show is doing. Because Jack is now part of those Others—being held in captivity there—I've gotten to work with these new actors and create completely new relationships and dynamics, and that's been really exciting for me. The stuff that's happening between Jack and Juliette and Jack and Ben and the relationships that my character has with The Others, I think there's an understanding between us as actors that on the day that we work, there is a certain dynamic that we strike, but I'm getting to know them both as people, and they're amazing. I just love them as actors, and I'm really excited about working with them all the time and how psychological the work is."

Are there any worries about Jack being the next main character to get killed off from the show? "I don't worry about it too much," Fox admitted. "I feel really fortunate to be a part of this project, and from an objective point, I do understand that it's an element of the show that's important. You can't create this island in which life is always in the balance and then not have people perish. I think that's just part of the show, so yeah, that's always in the back of my mind, but I don't sweat it too much. If that times comes for Jack Shephard, it's because that's what is meant to happen in the story, and I have an enormous amount of faith in Damon Lindeloff and J.J. [Abrams] and Carlton that they're on top of that."

There are other benefits to there being twice as many stories and cast members on the new season, as well. "It has created some more time off for me, because I'm doing all of my work essentially on one set, so I have two or three days where I'm working 14 hour days and then I'll have a week of time off while they're doing other stories, and that's been incredibly nice for me. I worked on two films over my hiatus, I worked six days a week all the way through, so getting back to 'Lost,' I was excited but at the same time, getting this much time off has been a real relief, it's been nice."

Obviously, We Are Marshall was one of those two movies, but Fox also had time to appear in the political thriller Vantage Point, scheduled to come out next year. "'Vantage Point' was a script that I actually read about a year and a half ago," Fox replied when asked why he picked that project to during his break. "That was a movie that I was looking at for my first hiatus actually, and then something happened where it couldn't get made then, so when it came back around, it looked like it might fit into my second hiatus. I just think it's a really smart, intense and incredible thriller. I also feel very strongly about Pete Travis as a director. He directed this movie 'Omagh,' which I think is a terrific film. We really saw eye-to-eye on what needed to happen for that character, and it's a very, very different character than what I play in 'We Are Marshall.' It's a very intense character but intense in different ways [from Red Dawson]. I felt great about the two projects individually, and I also felt great about how different they were, but the 'Vantage Point' experience was different in a way that I can't really talk about too much without giving it away."

In the movie, Fox plays a secret service agent so we asked if he had the chance to talk to or study with actual agents before making the movie. "Those guys are really reticent to talk about their profession, so getting that opportunity was great and Pete really pushed for that to happen and we had some research materials as well that we studied. Then we had people on set all the time that were consultants to make sure that what we were doing jives with some reality."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 01, 2006, 11:13:55 AM
One of the cast members is apparently going to be on Regis & Kelly tomorrow.  My guess is that's the one who kicks it tonight.

They really need to keep shit like that under wraps.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 01, 2006, 11:17:51 AM
One of the cast members is apparently going to be on Regis & Kelly tomorrow.  My guess is that's the one who kicks it tonight.

Your guess means that Mr. Eko will die tonight... Or Denzel will make an appearance in a flashback.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
would that also jive with the character dies whose flashback episode it currently is? 

also: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 01, 2006, 01:29:41 PM
also: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.

Yes, I vote that we just leave all spoilers about un-aired episodes out of this thread entirely.  I thought we had an unspoken gentleman's agreement about this.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on November 01, 2006, 01:33:27 PM
You admins should put the biggest admin edit spoiler warning ever.

admin edit: spoiler warning

edit: on the previous page!  :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 02:00:59 PM
no!  cause then we admins are still SPOILED.  :yabbse-sad:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 01, 2006, 02:42:08 PM
also: can we in the future never post spoilers for someone is going to die.  thats the one thing i never want to know again.

Unfortunately, ABC has been touting this in the recent TV commercials.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 01, 2006, 02:46:58 PM
Good thing I only watch ABC is when Lost is on.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 01, 2006, 09:04:55 PM
The Others chick really creeped me out, how unflichingly she was able to speak bullshit to Jack. I hope she's not as two-faced as she seems to be...

Anyway, pretty good episode. Except those two new characters are still really awkward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on November 01, 2006, 09:08:37 PM
...spoilers....

those two new characters are still really awkward.

I hope their writing gets better for them. Right now it seems pretty clunky. I also winced when she asked about the TVs and Locke said 'well don't I feel stupid.'

Anyway, I thought this episode was the most interesting one of this season. Next Wednesday I will be on a plane and thus not watching Lost.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 01, 2006, 10:57:51 PM
SPOILERS

I did not know anyone was going to die. I was surprised, and that weird Regis and Kelly theory was correct....

I'm not sure how I feel. It feels like a big waste, now only Bernard is left from the tail section, right?

That videotape was brilliant.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 01, 2006, 11:39:52 PM
SPOILERS

i dont like how tidy everything has been cleaned up as far as introducing 3 major characters and getting rid of them.  it's like season 2 never happened.  it felt like it was 'time to get rid of somebody' more than i thought his story was really done with.  there have been several occasions in the show where they hint at something that you feel can be explored in an interesting way and then they wont do that.  ("how long would it take to train an army?")  i thought that locke and eko's differences could've been explored further as their butting of heads was not as severe as it could've been.  eh, he was an interesting character and i felt there was more to him than we had time to see.  maybe thats the point.

yeah the new people are SO awkward.  and damn things are just getting crowded, i think they may finally have too many characters and are losing the balance when charlie and sayid are wandering around in the background giving a line or two. 

also: to believe julia or is THAT TOO part of the elaborate con.  i kinda hope so because if ben is so bad why dont they just get rid of him?  ben, meet cage, we're overthrowing you.  and if the stuff ben told jack about 'we were going to break you to get you to do stuff for us' wasnt a lie, its really really hard to believe.  why go through these lengths?  why not have just introduced yourself in the first place?  hey we're the others feel free to chill with us, oh ps. is anyone a spinal surgeon?  there have got to be other motives here. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pete on November 02, 2006, 08:52:22 AM
the blond housewife HAS to be evil, otherwise it's just too easy.  but, as someone who just watch it every once a while without following it too closely--can someone fill me in on why the Others are so terrible and threatening?  What have they done?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 02, 2006, 11:23:11 AM
Eko is monster mash
By William Keck, USA TODAY

Last season, Lost's Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje) looked the island's mystical monster straight in the eye and lived to tell about it.

Last night on the ABC drama, Eko wasn't so lucky — the monster killed him.

With Eko's death, just one tail-section passenger is still around: Sam Anderson's Bernard. Last season, Michelle Rodriguez's Ana-Lucia and Cynthia Watros' Libby were shot by Michael (Harold Perrineau). With the departures of Akinnuoye-Agbaje, Perrineau and Malcolm David Kelley (Walt), there are no series regulars who are black.

Akinnuoye-Agbaje asked to be written off the series. After losing both parents last year, he wanted to return to his London home and work on a film he'll direct.

Elizabeth Mitchell, who plays Juliet, got to know him off the set. "We got along really well," she says. "He's about to direct his first movie about his life, which is an incredible story. He'll be missed."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 02, 2006, 11:33:54 AM
bernard wasn't really a tail section passenger though, he was out of his seat when the plane went down.

those two new characters better get interesting fast, every time they speak i get pulled out of the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 02, 2006, 12:08:16 PM
maybe possible spoilers, hell i don't know
ADMIN EDIT: DEFINITE SPOILERS (THINK ABOUT IT)
NOTE: If it wasn't in an episode or a commercial, it's a spoiler about things to come therefore should be properly labeled as such.

i kinda wonder if the newbs are others, planted from the beginning, and are just now starting their 'assignments.'

regarding last weeks episode: "further instructions"
 
Although it did not happen in the episode, the plot synopsis from the initial press release stated that "Claire is shocked to find Nikki and Paulo in Jack's tent."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 02, 2006, 11:25:42 PM
Well, there are many things that dont go together...

First, the whole Ben/Henry illness and stuff seems strange. That and what Juliet said about getting rid of him. There are no signs until now that he is a bad guy, or at least that he is not worse than the other Others. Besides, he is not 'the leader', as far as they said before this season. He reports to somebody else.

They have boats, and they have access to a lot of things from the 'World', so why cant he travel and get an operation? Or the Hanso Foundation can provide? Unless they have nothing to do with the Hanso Foundation, Dharma and Widmore, which means that there are yet other Others on the Island.

Also, if they wanted to get rid of him so bad, why did they sent Michael to rescue him? They could have left him there as a hostage and if he got back someday there would be a new leader already.

All that, plus what modage said of them introducing themselves in a friendly way, at least with Jack, and getting him to cooperate.

Also, I did not like Ecko's dead because it was totally expected and it sucked. When Ana Lucia died, nobody had a clue. Same with Shannon, and with Boone's accident. This was expected for many reasons. They were saying somebody will die all along. They are showing a parttern that whoever has the flashback that particular episode is the one dying. And this episode was good, but they focused so much on Ecko that the other characters didnt exist.

The other seasons, particularily the first one and beginning of the 2nd season, everyone participated somehow in most episodes, even if it was mostly about the flashback character. Now, in five episodes since the season started we've had Charlie say 3 or 4 lines, which were stupid. Claire does no exist. Desmond is almost doing nothing. Hurley also had like 10 seconds of screentime this episode. Jin and Sun were not there. I dont know, it seems like its changing a lot from the original format, which is what made the show great. The story and the mysteries are still good and thats what keeps us hooked, but even if we like this episodes cause we are so excited about seeing what happens next, you cannot compare them to the other seasons in terms of writing and coherence. Everything is connected, but something that before was very clear now you have to really think hard to connect the dots and see why they decided to do what they did.

And those 2 new characters suck. That is a proof they did not know how to introduce them. They did a great job introducing the tail guys, and Henry, and Rousseau, but this also show that they got a little sloppy. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 03, 2006, 12:23:49 AM
'Lost's' Mr. Eko says goodbye
The character's death prompts anger and sadness, but actor Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje says the time was right.
Source: Los Angeles Times

(http://www.latimes.com/media/photo/2006-11/26218026.jpg)

The "Lost" monster is back.

The billowy black smoke that ambiguously frightened the castaways in past seasons returned with a vengeance on Wednesday, pummeling the island's favorite "tailie," Mr. Eko, the priest. In the most affecting death scene on the ABC drama thus far, Mr. Eko, who once had confronted the monster and forced it to retreat, this time surrendered, reciting the 23rd Psalm.

Mr. Eko, played by Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje, is the fifth central survivor to die since the jetliner crashed on the island. But the death of the criminal-turned-priest — or was he a man of faith who committed crimes for a greater good? — was the first to evoke such sadness and rage.

On ABC message boards and fan website lost-tv.com, Lost fans wasted no time expressing their feelings about the loss of the Nigerian priest who sat in the tail section of the plane and took a 40-day vow of silence when he survived the crash:

"How ... HOW?!?!?! Can you kill off arguably the most interesting, thought-provoking character in the series?" wrote one.

"He was my favorite character, and I am bawling like a dummy," wrote another fan.

"It's as if Eko was our good friend and more than a TV character," wrote a third. "We ... mourn the loss of Eko from the show."

The posters are not the only ones grieving. From the beginning, the show's producers knew Mr. Eko's time on the island would be brief. So they hastened the pace of the character's development, which, in turn, made the audience feel more attached.

A priest with a troubled past, Mr. Eko was the perfect counterpart to Locke (Terry O'Quinn), the only other castaway who seems aware of his destiny on the island. Fans on the Internet lamented the things they will miss the most: not seeing the church Mr. Eko was building on the island completed; and the personal touches he carved on the stick he carried. Others were downright furious, calling it "the worst episode ever."

With the other characters who died — Boone, Shannon, Ana Lucia and Libby — "there was a quotient of shock value but there was the idea that it made sense, that it was the characters' time," co-creator Damon Lindelof said. "I think the audience may feel that Mr. Eko was taken before his time. The way that he dies is very significant. It is more spectacular, as it were."

When planning Mr. Eko's untimely demise, the writers looked at the episode in the second season in which Mr. Eko came face-to-face with the monster inhabiting the island and refused to relent, Lindelof said. What if the monster did not give up, as it seemed at the time? What if the monster was "just intelligence-gathering for a later date?"

"We wanted to make clear that the monster remains a dangerous force," executive producer Carlton Cuse said.

For his part, Akinnuoye-Agbaje said during an interview at the Four Seasons Hotel in Beverly Hills last week that his character's story arc was designed to "provoke thought and evaluation of your choices, your judgments, and what you believe."

"It was such a great way to go," Akinnuoye-Agbaje said of his character. "He was really comfortable with being on the island and had started to build a church and looked at his plight as an opportunity to strengthen and deepen his faith."

But did the man whose faith remained steady, despite all of the challenges the mystery island posed, deserve to die so violently? Fans were split: Some thought it was Mr. Eko's turn to pay for lives he has taken; others were more moved by the character's compassion. Akinnuoye-Agbaje understands the reaction. As he got to know Mr. Eko, he often asked himself: Is Mr. Eko a priest masquerading as a criminal, or a criminal masquerading as a priest?

"No matter how many heads he chops up, you know his heart is pure," Akinnuoye-Agbaje said. "Even in the law, when you're convicting a criminal, it says intent. So it always goes back to the heart. From the very beginning, Eko kills a man to save his brother's life, which sends him on a spiral of murder, plunder and what have you to survive. But that was the deepest act of compassion: to give up his soul to save another's."

Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who also stirred emotions with his fierce portrayal of gang leader Simon Adebisi on HBO's "Oz," said he accepted the role because he had never been asked to play a character whose essence was compassion and inner peace.

At the time, Akinnuoye-Agbaje was focused on completing a biographical script for a film he will direct about the African, Asian and West Indian immigrants brought to Britain after World War II to work and were forced to leave their children in the care of strangers, sometimes for good. Akinnuoye-Agbaje hopes to begin production in a few months, which is why he had to say goodbye to "Lost."

"There's a whole generation of African kids born in Britain who had this cross-cultural identity crisis," said Akinnuoye-Agbaje, who was born in Britain and was raised there and in Nigeria. "And they didn't fit in Nigeria either because they were these white people inside Nigerian bodies. This story gives this a voice but it's also a story of victory because it shows my struggle through that process to come where I am."

Although Losties on the Web argued that there was more ground to cover with Mr. Eko, Akinnuoye-Agbaje said he felt that once Mr. Eko helped Locke find his faith again, his mission on the island was realized.

"The way he died is brutal, but it's a beautiful ending " Akinnuoye-Agbaje said. "Eko lived this life of torture, living double lives and that's a lot of energy to be running for your life, pretending to be this guy, that guy, never really showing who you are.... There was no point but to surrender [to death] so he just gave himself to it. Not out of fear, but acceptance."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 08, 2006, 10:21:06 PM
I'm saying it again... muthaFUCK this three month wait shit!

And fuck Taye Diggs too!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on November 08, 2006, 10:30:11 PM
a good episode, but i had expected more as it was the mini-season finale.  and now kate and jack can never be together.    :yabbse-angry:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 09, 2006, 12:17:55 AM
That was quite an episode. Quite a cliffhanger, as well. I can't fucking stand that Kate and Sawyer did the nasty. I've been hoping, against my better judgement, that she and Jack might end up together but then this shit...

FUCK I can't wait 16 weeks. FUCKFUCKFUCK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on November 09, 2006, 05:43:39 AM
This unfortunately was the worst of the bunch. 

Kate's backstory isn't really interesting, other than how cute she looked wearing her hair like that.  And the love triangle is one of the weaker parts of the show right now.   

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 09, 2006, 06:50:35 AM
And the love triangle is one of the weaker parts of the show right now.   
I might have believed you except for that...

Granted, the love scene was a little ridiculous.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 09, 2006, 11:18:48 AM
well, the show was almost as good as my philly cheese steak sandwich.  thanks again mordecai... never mind.  kate's flashbacks felt like ones of hers i've already seen before.  she did look damn cute though.  the kate & sawyer 'get it on' scene was indeed cheesy - the oc like material.  but the last 14 or 13 minutes were pretty grand. 

'sixteen new episodes - not one. single. repeat... not one!'  aaaah, i'm forgetting about the hiatus already.......... NOT!  

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ultrahip on November 09, 2006, 01:15:51 PM
Pretty good episode, nice tension at the end. But:

How much greater would it have been if right when Kate and Sawyer started getting on, it cut to ALL the Others crowded around the surveillance monitors where Ben usually sits, with popcorn, bobbing their heads, like, "Niiiiiiiiiice!"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 09, 2006, 01:40:19 PM
When did Matthew Fox turn into a real actor?  He always used to seem like more of just a genial screen presence, but he's been cranking it up to eleven recently. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on November 09, 2006, 02:04:35 PM
This episode actually made me dislike the last one more. 
I liked the ending, but it was twenty minutes stretched into an hour... padding it with Kate and Sawyer getting together (seriously, some of you were actually surprised by that at this point?) and Kate's boring unnecessary flashbacks.

I'm hoping this chunk of episodes was just a teaser for the REAL season starting in February.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 09, 2006, 02:40:45 PM
I was expecting Nathan Fillion to curse in Chinese.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on November 09, 2006, 03:06:12 PM
Why is it that Mal's women keep drugging him?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on November 09, 2006, 03:50:26 PM
i feel like this whole mini season could've been covered in half the amount of episodes. while i do enjoy some of the character development this season, i'm starting to get impatient (and i was always the one to defend the show when my friends would complain about it going no where)

hopefully it gets off the treadmill next year
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on November 09, 2006, 10:54:12 PM
i really hate that they did that. there was a million better things they could have been doing. they could have run away. they could have snuck into the building to look for jack. they could have found that young girl and asked her what the fuck was going on. they could have killed a guard, taken his gun and taken him hostage and bargained for jack. but no, they fucked. they just stayed there and fucked. and then cuddled and talked.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 10, 2006, 10:17:40 AM
I dunno, I didn't like it but not for that reason. I mean, there's no point to doing anything stupid because they are really at the mercy of the Others at this point, being cut off from their own island and all. They can't just run and hide, because they can't go anywhere, and would end up either being caught or having to come back anyway once they figure out that the only way to get back to the island is through the Others. Additionally, taking someone hostage wouldn't really help, either, for the same reason. Perhaps sex was the best thing they could do for psychological reasons, but even so the scene was still awkward...I mean, sex when being held by the Others would be, I would think, the last thing on their mind, given that they are being held prisoner with cameras on them and all that, and the chance one of the Others could come at any moment and bash their skulls in. I guess the sexual tension between the two just had to be released that badly.

In any case, Jack is quickly becoming the most interesting character to follow. As polka stated, Matthew Fox is rockin' it right now; Ben and ice queen are both interesting characters to boot.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 11:15:44 AM
"Ice Queen" is up to something.  She wants Ben out of the picture so she can be leader.

I'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.  I feel bad condemning the season when we're only, what, 6 episodes in?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 10, 2006, 12:22:45 PM
I'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.

Like the two fruit chopping new characters being the stars of the show?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on November 10, 2006, 12:37:25 PM
They're the new Kate and Sawyer, I tells ya!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 10, 2006, 06:00:33 PM
I'm don't really like the episodes so far, but I'm giving the writers the benefit of the doubt that they are building up to something good.  I feel bad condemning the season when we're only, what, 6 episodes in?

That's pretty much the same thing people were saying after the first 6 episodes or so of last season, and these 6 were WAAAY better than those 6.  I don't think we have anything to worry about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on November 11, 2006, 04:27:55 PM
I just saw Running Scared for the first time last night, and now I think ice queen is even creepier. I don't know whether or not she was hired for LOST after Running Scared came out, but if she was, I can see why they picked her. What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway? Probably something icy like "Meredith" or "Cruella."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on November 11, 2006, 06:12:10 PM
What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway?

Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on November 13, 2006, 09:50:38 AM
When did Matthew Fox turn into a real actor?  He always used to seem like more of just a genial screen presence, but he's been cranking it up to eleven recently. 

Only recently? That guy has been rocking all three seasons, I've always thought he was the best of the bunch, next to Locke.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on November 13, 2006, 10:07:21 AM
What the fuck is her character's name again, anyway?

Juliet.  Smirky McGee.

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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on November 13, 2006, 04:08:21 PM
Oh man. I just saw this because I was away on Wednesday. For a while I was like, "eh," frustrated and jet lagged. Then when Jack went into insane-mode I too went insane. This was really great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on November 14, 2006, 12:35:42 AM
Only 3 more months... people try not to post in this thread until February because everytime I see it I want to destroy my TV
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on November 15, 2006, 02:59:55 PM
ok
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on November 19, 2006, 07:45:21 PM
For those of you that havn't heard, during each episode of "Black Groundhog Day" there are new 'Lost' moments from the 2007 season.

Here's moment #1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7jpLLTKZis

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on November 24, 2006, 05:24:38 PM
Lost is my new favorite TV series, movie, book, song, country and meal  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2006, 01:30:30 AM
The Maine Event
EW.com tagged along as the executive producers of ''Lost'' traveled north to meet their show's most famous fan, horror maestro Stephen King
Source: Entertainment Weekly

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In the Dec. 1 issue of Entertainment Weekly, Lost fans will find a nice treat to help get through this weird winter hiatus. It's actually something that's been cooking in the EW oven since last summer, and we decided to serve it up in our special ''Inspirations'' issue, in which we asked a bevy of your favorite pop culture people to discuss their influences. If you know Lost well, then surely you know that the producers of the show are huge fans of Stephen King. And if you read the author's monthly column in EW, you know our resident It man is a huge fan is a huge fan of Lost, too. In light of this mutual admiration, we thought it was about time these guys got together and talked — with us listening, of course.

Officially, their 90-minute conversation took place on Aug. 11 at Stephen King's office in Bangor, Maine. I had the privilege of hanging out with this fab foursome — King, plus Lost producers JJ Abrams, Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof. I say ''hang out'' because even though I was technically there to moderate, no moderation was necessary. King took charge from the start, serving the role of interlocutor with ease. The producers were candid and had questions of their own.

The conversation unexpectedly stretched well beyond the initial back-and-forth in King's office. ''Unexpectedly,'' because somewhere in the chat, when the subject of movies came up, the following exchange took place:

DAMON: I heard The Descent is awesome.

STEPHEN: Oh yeah. Oh, I saw that the other day.

DAMON: Did you like it?

STEPHEN: Are you guys going to be around tonight? We ought to go see that.

DAMON: Yeah, we're around!

CARLTON: Yeah!

DAMON: I hear it's scary as all hell.

STEPHEN: It is. It's great. It's a horror movie for big people.

DAMON: Let's go.

JJ ABRAMS: Should we have dinner?

It went from there. After King brought an end to the official conversation (''I'm hungry! You got everything you needed, Doc J?"), we went to his house for a little bit and hung out in his basement library, where Damon and Carlton revealed a few secrets about the upcoming season, all of which you've now seen — The Hydra Station, Sawyer figuring out the feeding mechanism in his cage, and Desmond's precognition powers.

Afterward, we went to dinner at one of King's favorite places, and the patrons greeted him with the perfect combination of warmth and respect and healthy distance. In general, I was struck by how the good people of Bangor seemed very protective of their famous neighbor. Or maybe they just like to mess with out-of-towners. Earlier in the day, when I drove Damon and Carlton from the airport to King's office, I kinda got mixed up with the directions. So we stopped and sought help from two different people with offices in the general vicinity of where we needed to be, and they obliged by giving us very specific instructions on where we should go. They told us where we could go, all right — in the exact opposite direction of where we needed to be. At the time, this was very frustrating, but in retrospect, we all found this very, very cool. Good on you, people of Bangor.

And by the way, when we finally found King's office, he couldn't resist the joke waiting to be made: ''Ah, so you were... lost?'' Rimshot!

During dinner, I wrestled with a Maine lobster as King and the producers talked. I could barely follow their dishy chatter, because Messy MacLobster was giving me some serious problems. Afterward, we went to the movie. When we arrived, a backpack-wearing young man sitting outside the theater looked our way, then did a double-take. He stood and drifted toward us, as if in a trance. ''Mr. King,'' he said, ''I just wanted to say I'm a big fan...'' A sledgehammer joke was waiting to be made, but not by King, who was nothing but gracious: He shook the dude's hand and thanked him as we walked toward the entrance.

JJ paid for our admission, Damon picked up the snacks, Cartlon got to sit next to King. ''Talk about an iconic moment in one's life,'' Cuse said later. ''To be sitting there in the movie theater and discovering that he was a guy who talked back to the screen was an incredibly revelatory moment. We were watching a horror movie trailer, and somebody in that trailer said 'What am I doing here?' and King called out in his Maine accent, 'You're in a bad horror movie!' He was such a good guy.''

Afterward, we found our cars in the parking lot. We said thank you, like, a million times, and King said he had fun, wished us well, and drove off. It started to rain, big fat drops, but we didn't leave. We couldn't. ''We absolutely must process what just happened here,'' said Abrams, who had driven down for the day from his own home in Maine. ''Did that just happen?''

''It's always great when you meet your idol and he fulfills all your expectations," Cuse said. "I thought he was enormously charming and so... normal. I loved the moment when we were driving up, and you were lost driving, and I was on the phone with the assistant who said 'Stephen will come out and meet you. He's wearing a black Halloween T-shirt'' — and there he was, waving us in. He was such a good guy. It was kind of mind-blowing to find out he was as big a fan of Lost as we are of his work. That was actually kind of hard to accept.''

Lindelof has similar thoughts: ''I kept waiting to see the chink in the armor. I never did. My favorite moment was this: We all had opportunity to drive with Stephen King during the day, and he drove me from dinner to the movie theater. As we were driving over there I saw — down at my feet in his car — a scratch off lottery ticket. I picked it up and looked at it and asked: 'Is this yours?' And he said, 'Yep.' And I said, 'You buy scratchers?' He said, 'Yep, Someone's gotta win.' I just thought it was just so awesome that Stephen King, who really has won the lottery in every way, shape, and form, is still the kind of guy who stops at the local convenience store to buy a scratcher.''

Anyway: It was a cool day, and I was lucky to be there. And if you pick up the new issue of EW, you can get a great sense of what it was like, as well as hear some provocative talk about the current state of Lost. And in the coming weeks, I'll share some stuff that I saved just for you faithful EW.com readers. Until then: Namaste!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 05, 2006, 09:36:50 PM
ABC protects 'Lost'
Shift ensures the show won't have to battle 'American Idol'
Source: Variety
 
ABC is moving "Lost" out of the way of the "American Idol" juggernaut.

Alphabet on Tuesday unveiled a January sked that has the spooky Wednesday drama moving back an hour to 10 p.m. when it returns Feb. 7. Shift -- the third timeslot for the show in as many years -- ensures the skein won't have to battle the Fox behemoth.

A year ago, "Lost" scored boffo numbers at 9 p.m. during the fall but took a notable ratings hit once "Idol" returned in January. Skein has since held steady in the ratings, but ABC execs clearly don't want to risk further slippage.

Net's affils should be happy with the shift. With "Lost" at 10 p.m., ABC will likely deliver local stations their best new lead-in numbers for the slot in years.

In addition to shielding "Lost" from "Idol," ABC is also protecting it from rising CBS drama "Criminal Minds" and NBC's "Deal or No Deal," which moves into the 9 p.m. Wednesday slot next month.

As for what will compete against "Idol," ABC has decided that laughter -- and games -- are the best medicine. Net has slotted its laffer "Knights of Prosperity" Wednesdays at 9 p.m., directly against the "Idol" results show. It'll be paired at 9:30 with another new comedy, "In Case of Emergency."

Laffer hour is set to debut Jan. 3, a month before "Day Break" was set to end its run. ABC News programming will fill the 10 p.m. Wednesday slot in January before "Lost" returns.

"Day Break" will either be yanked after its Dec. 27 broadcast or moved to another night. No word on what will happen with the remaining five episodes of the skein, if ABC doesn't move the show to a new night.

ABC will round out its Wednesday lineup with new episodes of "George Lopez" and "According to Jim" from 8-9 p.m. Net will double-pump "Jim" for a few weeks starting Jan. 3, with "George" bowing Jan. 24 at 8 p.m.

On Tuesdays, William Shatner is expected to take on Simon Cowell and Co. as quizzer "Show Me the Money" shifts to 8 p.m. on Jan. 2. It'll be paired with "Big Day" and "Help Me Help You" at 9 and 9:30, respectively.

"Help Me" may eventually be replaced by newcomer "Notes From the Underbelly," though ABC didn't announce any firm plans for that show.

ABC's Sunday, Monday and Thursday skeds are unchanged for now. At some point, the net will have to make room for the return of "Dancing With the Stars" in March, prompting another round of sked shuffles.

On Fridays, ABC will continue to vamp with repeats. Saturday will be a mix of movies and specials.

Still on the bench: six unaired episodes of "The Nine" and "Six Degrees," as well as midseason contenders "October Road," "The Traveler" and "Masters of Sci-Fi."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 03, 2007, 04:56:04 PM
'Lost' Landings
Fans and the show's exec producer disagree over the recent casting
Source: EW
 
When word recently leaked that Lost had cast actress Bai Ling for a three-episode stint starting in February, even loyalists began to wonder whether Lost had finally lost it. It seems that Ling — known for her work in Red Corner — doesn't exactly command much respect. Wrote one poster at thetailsection.com: ''I kind of view [her] casting as a jump the shark situation. I hope I'm wrong.'' Well...you are! At least partially. Contrary to reports, the actress will appear in just one episode of the ABC drama — flashbacks in which the secret of Jack's (Matthew Fox) made-in-Thailand tattoos will be revealed. Moreover, Lost thinks Bai Ling is awesome! ''She's off-the-charts sexy and a damn good actress,'' says exec producer Carlton Cuse. On the other hand, Losties seemed rather high (and then very, very hungry) about another bit of quirky casting: Cheech Marin, who is somewhat short, has been tapped to play father to Hurley, who is somewhat...not short. ''He's quite a good actor,'' says Cuse, who used to be Marin's boss on Nash Bridges. ''People only think of him as the doobie-smoking '70s dude. But he played Tyne Daly's love interest in Judging Amy. C'mon!'' While we're being wacky: How about asking Don Johnson to match stubbled cheeks and drawls with Sawyer? ''No,'' says Cuse. See? Those Lost guys do know what they're doing.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 14, 2007, 11:55:53 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070115/ap_en_tv/tv_abc_lost

'Lost' producers in talks about end date
By DAVID BAUDER, AP Television Writer

Makers of the tropical island drama "Lost" say they're talking with ABC executives about setting an end date for the series.

There's no sense the finale is coming anytime soon. But knowing they have a deadline will help writers of the convoluted drama lay out how they want the story to end, producers said Sunday in a meeting with TV critics here.

"Once we figure out when that will be, a lot of the questions will go away," said Carlton Cuse, an executive producer. "Lost" is in its third season.

The producers, citing Fox's "The X-Files," said they didn't want to wear out their welcome. "That was a great show that probably ran two seasons too long," Cuse said. "That is a cautionary tale for us."

"Lost" is due back on ABC's schedule next month following an extended hiatus after the season's first six episodes and will air uninterrupted through May. The schedule was a direct result of fans' complaints about reruns disrupting their concentration in past seasons, producers said.

It's likely next year that all 22 episodes will run consecutively, much like Fox is doing with "24."

One prominent critic — ABC Entertainment President Stephen McPherson — said he thought the first six episodes this season concentrated too heavily on the stories of Jack, Kate and Sawyer at the expense of other members of the large cast.

The producers said that will be rectified right away for the season's second half as "Lost" goes back to the beach.

"Lost," which is shifting back an hour to 10 p.m. Eastern time, Wednesdays, on ABC's schedule, has seen a 14 percent drop in its audience this year, according to Nielsen Media Research. Producers contend the numbers are deceptive because of a comparison with the second season, when "Lost" was a cultural sensation.

The producers concede that it's a demanding story for viewers to keep up with, and not one that people can join in the middle.

"We want them back," executive producer Damon Lindelof said of the lost fans. "We really believe in the show and the audience we're getting. But if we write towards getting them back, we may alienate the audience that we already have."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 15, 2007, 01:27:19 AM
McPherson: 'Lost' on track, ready for marathon
Source: Hollywood Reporter

PASADENA -- Speaking to the assembled television press bright and early on Sunday morning, ABC Entertainment president Stephen McPherson -- more relaxed and jovial than during similar sessions in recent years -- insisted that despite claims that the megahit "Lost" had literally lost its way creatively during the kickoff of its third season this past fall, he believes the show is in fine shape, thanks very much.

"You know, I liked it. I think that (executive producers) Damon (Lindelof) and Carlton (Cuse) made a clear choice that that first installment would be really about the experience of Jack and Kate and Sawyer and The Others," McPherson said. "I thought it was really a riveting six episodes, and the production values, I think they exceeded even their own standards. But I like it when they're all together, and I think we're headed toward that when you come back after (the hiatus)."

Indeed, some have criticized the decision to launch "Lost" in the fall for seven weeks and then give it a four-month rest throughout much of the fall and winter. (It returns to ABC's schedule next month.) In hindsight, McPherson admits this way have been something of a mistake in hindsight and looks to go the route Fox does with "24," running all 20-something episodes consecutively with no repeats, next year.

"I even said last fall, ideally the way you would do 'Lost' is 22 straight (episodes), 23 straight, as many as we had done," McPherson said. "I think for us, given where we were in our development, we really needed to (launch it) in the fall. ... I think coming into next fall there's a good chance we would run it 22 straight either in the fall or in the spring."

McPherson also spoke to the idea that committing to so many serialized dramas last fall may well have been a tactical error, certainly considering the weak performances of "The Nine" and "Daybreak." But he stands behind having committed to them despite his admission they were both "big disappointments."

"The shows were incredibly well-produced," he maintained. "We loved the shows creatively. ... It may have just been the timing."

The programming guru added that both "The Nine" and the poorly rated freshman drama "Six Degrees" still have a chance to return to the sked this spring despite having been pulled. "Six Degrees," in fact, is currently in production to finish out its original 13-episode order.

In the main McPherson stressed that things are pretty good in ABC-ville. The ballyhooed move of "Grey's Anatomy" to Thursdays opposite "CSI: Crime Scene Investigation" this season has worked out better than anyone could have expected, with "Grey's" regularly beating "CSI" in the coveted adults 18-49 column, and "we have two of the top three new shows in 'Ugly Betty' and 'Brothers & Sisters,'" he pointed out. "We're up in total viewers on Monday night without 'Monday Night Football.' We're the number one network 18-49."

That said, many of ABC's rookie series have struggled to find their footing. That includes the comedy "The Knights of Prosperity," a half-hour built around the antics of an oddball group of New Yorkers who set their sights on robbing Mick Jagger. But McPherson maintains he is still committed to the genre. "The great thing is that people are taking chances," he believes. "I mean, for us, taking chances is what redefined us. ... We hope we can get a bigger audience for (comedies). But I also don't think that the sitcom is dead. I don't think I could point to a great multicamera show that has been put on the air, marketed well, and failed. So it's frustrating. It's challenging. We definitely want bigger audiences for them. I believe that comedy is due to kind of explode."

McPherson gamely fielded a number of other conversation threads during the Q&A that ranged from his opinion of the controversial "The Path to 9/11" -- which he said the network "loved" and stood by despite accusations that key facts were distorted to make the Clinton administration look bad -- to the bleak state of TV movies on broadcast TV.

McPherson noted that ABC is likely to go the entire season without airing a made-for ("Path to 9/11" aired on the fifth anniversary of the terrorist attacks and outside of the regular season.) but he said he still believed there were "select opportunities" for longform programming on the network. McPherson's sole news bulletin for the scribes who turned out for his Sunday early-a.m. session was that "Dancing with the Stars" will return to ABC's schedule with a pair of two-hour editions on March 19 and 26.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 17, 2007, 01:27:32 AM
Lindelof Talks Lost's End
Source: SciFi Wire

Damon Lindelof, co-creator and executive producer of ABC's hit show Lost, told SCI FI Wire that 100 episodes is the magic number for the series, and that he would like to see it end in the fifth season. "Personally speaking, from the word 'go,' it always felt to me somewhere in the neighborhood between 90 and 100 episodes was going to be a version of Lost where we never had to do the bad season," Lindelof said in an interview after a press conference at the Television Critics Association press tour in Pasadena, Calif., on Jan. 14. "We knew season one was going to be introduction, season two was going to be into the hatch, season three was going to be the others. I don't want to tell you what season four is going to be. And then there was a wrap-up season, a shortened version, that would put you somewhere in the neighborhood of 100 episodes. At the end of season four we'll have produced 93 hours of the show. And I would imagine that would be very close to where it would end, ideally."

Lindelof and co-producer Carlton Cuse created a stir at the press tour when they announced during the panel that they are in discussions with the network about finding an end point to the show. They didn't give any details on the discussions, or a specific end date for the show, but Lindelof said in an interview that they have always had one in mind.

"We all looked at each other at the very beginning and said, 'By the grace of God will this show even survive 13 episodes,'" he said. "So Carlton and I are able to now sit down with [the network] and say, 'Remember in the very beginning when you were having us convince you that this thing could go on for years and years and years and we all agreed it couldn't? Well, now, just because it's successful doesn't mean that that's changed.' The reality is, they can produce a sixth or seventh or eighth season, but would anybody be watching? Because the show will be so miserable by that time. Was it really The X-Files anymore when [David] Duchovny and Gillian Anderson weren't on the show? For me, The X-Files wasn't about, 'Have aliens invaded?' It was about Mulder and Scully—a skeptic and a believer—and once that element of the show was gone, the show was over. So we don't want to produce those episodes of Lost, and in fact, we're not going to produce those episodes of Lost."

As for what Lost is about, Lindelof has a clear idea, and a specific plan about what needs to happen to the characters before the story concludes. "This show is about people who are metaphorically lost in their lives, who get on an airplane and crash on an island and become physically lost on the planet Earth," he said. "And once they are able to metaphorically find themselves in their lives again, they will be able to physically find themselves in the world again. When you look at the entire show, that's what it will look like. That's what it's always been about."

Lost returns with the first of an uninterrupted run of episodes on Feb. 7. It will still air on Wednesdays, but in a later timeslot, at 10:00 p.m. ET/PT.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Mikey B on January 19, 2007, 11:24:57 AM
The number of 100 episodes seems logical and the really the way to go. It makes sense that all the weird unusual mysteries would be discovered and done by that time. Its now only a matter of how and and what the answers are. I'm so glad they made that decision for it not to be dragged out, like a mental patient kicking and screaming and intead they're just gonna end it, peiod during the middle or late begiing of the first season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 22, 2007, 11:48:57 AM
Lost Gets Back To Basics
Source: SciFi Wire

Daniel Dae Kim, who plays Jin in ABC's hit SF series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that the upcoming second half of the third season will focus on the entire cast, rather than the story of Jack, Kate and Sawyer, which was showcased in the first six episodes of the season. "It's been a season of transition, I think," Kim said in an interview at the Television Critics press tour in Pasadena, Calif., last week. "Because we went from an ensemble show to one that focused on a smaller number of characters. So for a lot of us, it's meant having more free time than we originally thought. But now it's changing again, and we're getting back to the island, and we're finding a rhythm."

Kim is bilingual in real life, but his character is just beginning to learn English, and as his character becomes more fluent in the language, Kim said that he looks forward to interacting more with the other cast members. "It's something that the producers and I have been talking about for a little while," he said. "It just leads to different kinds of interaction with the other characters on the show. I think it would be great to have a change of pace for Jin in that way. ... Part and parcel of speaking English is becoming involved with the main action of the island. Right now, I don't think Jin and Sun are that involved with the mythology of the show. They have a kind of separate subplot that exists independent of what the other characters are doing a lot of the time. And I'm looking forward to seeing how they fit into the big picture."

Another change coming in the latter half of the season is a lighter tone, Kim said. The relationship between Jin and his wife, Sun (Yunjin Kim, who is no relation in real life), will grow even stronger in the next few episodes. "Everyone talks about the island having redemptive qualities," he said. "And I think it was redemptive for their relationship as well. As far as where their relationship goes from here, I'm curious to see myself. I'm sure a baby will change our dynamic. It generally does. ... We've already shot a few things where it's lighter. It's a different kind of feel to a scene with Jin in it. It's a welcome change."

As for the rumor of an impending character death, Kim didn't deny it, but hoped that audiences would be watching the show for reasons other than finding out who will be the next to be killed off. "Our show for some reason has taken on this mystery of who's going to die next," he said "And I'm not sure how that happened or why it's happening. And I'm hoping that it doesn't become the main focus of what the audience is looking for."

Lost returns on Feb. 7 in a new, later timeslot, 10 p.m. ET/PT on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 02, 2007, 01:32:28 PM
All will be revealed, 'Lost' team promises
By Bill Keveney, USA TODAY

When ABC's Lost returns on Wednesday, fans will find answers and favorite characters over the course of 16 consecutive new episodes, executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof say. Specifically:
Expect these answers

•How Locke ended up in a wheelchair before arriving at Lost's island.

•How Jack got his tattoos.

•What The Others' Ethan was doing before he came to the island.

•What happened to Desmond, who may be having premonitions, when the hatch exploded in the second-season finale.

•The effects of the purple sky, which followed the hatch explosion, on the island.

•More details about the Dharma Initiative, the island psychosocial experiment.

Look for these story lines

•Resolution of much of the November cliffhanger (Wednesday), with Jack operating on Ben and urging Kate and Sawyer to escape. The episode will feature Juliet's first flashback.

•Relationships, including Kate-Sawyer, Claire-Charlie and Juliet-Jack. Interestingly, Kate still has some feelings for Jack.

•The surprise pregnancy of Sun, with some relevant questions: Who's the dad? How does being pregnant put her in danger?

•The return of favorite beach castaways, who were mostly left off-screen in the fall, in a Feb. 14 "beach-centric" episode, Lindelof says. Lost will get off The Others' island after the third episode, the first of four featuring flashbacks of original characters.

•Coming back to the second season's final moment, when Desmond's lost love, Penny Widmore, apparently tracked the location of the island.

Catch these guest stars

•Cheech Marin as Hurley's father in a Hurley flashback.

•Bai Ling appearing in a Jack flashback.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 06, 2007, 01:36:02 AM
Lost Special Goes Online

ABC is posting the Lost Survivor Guide, a special on the SF show, on ABC.com and Yahoo! TV, starting Feb. 6. Hosted by executive producer and co-creator Damon Lindelof and executive producer Carlton Cuse, the Survival Guide will bring viewers up to date in anticipation of the show's return on Feb. 7.

The special focuses on the flashbacks of a core of characters, illustrating who they were and what they were doing before the crash, and how the island has changed their lives, for better or worse. The special will also explore the island and may reveal secrets that might have been missed upon first viewing.

In addition to the Lost Survivor Guide, ABC.com has made available all six of the current third season's previously aired episodes on its broadband video player. Lost returns in a new Wednesday 10 p.m. ET/PT timeslot and will air new episodes without reruns and interruptions.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 06, 2007, 10:21:08 AM
FUCK IT STARTS TOMORROW!!!!!!!!

 :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 08, 2007, 09:45:55 AM
MINOR SPOILERS

God, I missed this show!  Such higher quality "holy shit" moments than 24 can ever really deliver. Hopefully, they realize just how pissy the hardcore fans got at a three month break just 6 weeks after another 3 month break, and how the casual fans (like my mother) may not tune back in again because it was too long a wait.

This was definitely a better episode than the first 6 this season.  I'm not fond of Juliet's permanent smirk but I like the character more now.  And I haven't had a chance to check the message boards or re-watch the episode but now we have a new company connected to Dharma and hopefully, some deaf lip-reading geeks can tell us a little of what Ben said to Juliet when Jack left the OR.

The big winner, though, was the "wookiee prisoner gag."  Priceless.

I feel whole again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2007, 10:43:38 AM
ok, LOST is my reason for living BUT i will say these things.  this season, like Arrested Development Season 3, is not up to par.  it's not bad, it is just not as great.  i'm not usually in the camp of 'it's not going anywhere!' lost watchers, but i think this season is not on the right track so far.  we're 7 episodes in and really are just now starting to go anywhere.  (and not in the clever season 2 way where it kept doubling back on itself, that was brilliant). 

number one, the others were a terrifying presence because they were such a mystery.  THE OTHERS.  creepy henry gale shows up and has got to be evil.  they're snatching people out of their camp for nefarious purposes and showing up in the woods.  ethan.  to actually have to show the others and explain this mystery and humanize them takes away this element from the show.  i had secretly been hoping the 'we're the good guys' was to mean that THESE others are not the REAL others on the island, but i don't think thats the case.  i guess it had to be done at some point BUT still, its like Young Hannibal Lecter or The Keyser Souze: The Movie.  its scarier knowing less.

in regards to 24, i'll tell you: i have watched 4 seasons in the last month and am currently going through season 5 and the entire time the show has been slowly winning me over with the caveat: it's still no LOST.  and maybe absorbing SO MUCH of that show has also changed my viewing of LOST with fresh eyes to be more slow as molassas.  sure it can't compete with 24 for thrills but there were elements of mystery and the bigger picture that make it more satisfying viewing.  i'm not sure if thats still the case.  i hope the show finds its way and starts to reapproach greatness because right now i'm not so sure.

i hate juliet, i don't care about her backstory, i will never sympathize with her.  she is the new ana lucia.

2nd deadwood chick.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 04:58:17 PM
(and not in the clever season 2 way where it kept doubling back on itself, that was brilliant). 

Don't make me go back through the pages and search for proof, but weren't you very critical of Season 2 for much of its duration?  Is it possible that you only recognize brilliance in hindsight?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2007, 06:25:09 PM
no, season 2 is easily as good as season 1 EXCEPT there were about 4 consecutive episodes midway through that were a season 3 level of quality. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 08, 2007, 07:54:40 PM
no, season 2 is easily as good as season 1 EXCEPT there were about 4 consecutive episodes midway through that were a season 3 level of quality. 

Okay, I went back and looked through the old posts and you're right; it was just those few of your "hated it" episodes that I was remembering.  You're still wrong about this season, though.  As far as I'm concerned, they could make this entire season about the Others and not even go back to the main island until season 4, and that would be cool with me.  The more bits and pieces I find out about them, the more compelling the remaining mystery becomes.  And Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.  For as long as we don't have to sit through another Charlie flashback episode, this season owns.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 08, 2007, 08:51:24 PM
And Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.

She has completely taken "Henry Gale's" place as the-one-you-love-to-hate. And yet, she's almost like the female version of Jack.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 08, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
And Juliet is one of the best characters on the show now.  Top five, easy.
And yet, she's almost like the female version of Jack.
I got that same vibe during last night's episode. A lot of the mystery behind her persona has been dispelled, which is really my one complaint with last night's show. She's still one of the more compelling characters right now. And I'm with polka in that at this point I don't give a shit about the main island. For the most part I always thought their stories were not as interesting, so this focus on Jack/Kate/Sawyer and The Others is refreshing because it's actually interesting.

Also, that brainwashing bit was one of the weirdest things I've ever seen on network TV.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 08, 2007, 09:29:55 PM
I agree, Juliet is probably my favorite character right now. She's a really terrific actress.

What was with the guy from Portland wearing eye-liner? Or was it just me?

Did I miss any references back to seasons 1 or 2? I feel like Edmund Burke was familiar, perhaps other things...it's been so long, my brain hasn't retained all that information about the first two seasons. Burke did kind of look like a manorexic Chapelle from 24.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2007, 10:01:59 PM
some of you seem mad that a lot of the mystery has worn off, but i'm willing to bet that within a few episodes, we'll have a few more mysterious characters.   

anybody catching references to "jacob?"  

i love this show. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 08, 2007, 10:31:28 PM
besides the Biblical quotation during the techno clockwork orange scene, where are other instances?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 09, 2007, 02:03:56 PM
the room 23:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvp2PF8XilY

http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Room_23
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 09, 2007, 04:20:48 PM
besides the Biblical quotation during the techno clockwork orange scene, where are other instances?

they referrenced him in "I Do," where Danny says something like "he wasn't on Jacob's list." 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 09, 2007, 04:28:54 PM
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'Lost' and Found
The cast and creative forces behind ABC's revolutionary drama spill secrets, answer critics, and mull over how and when they would like to seal the hatch for good

No more mysteries. No more clues. No more questions wrapped inside questions with secret compartments for extra questions. What you need from ABC's castaways-in-paradise cryptodrama Lost are answers, and we're going to give you one — right here, right now. The exact wording is being formulated by star Matthew Fox as he sits in the shade of a twisted tree, pulling tufts of grass from the Hawaiian soil. The answer is simple and definitive, and his brown eyes flicker with defiance as it passes through his lips: ''No.''

Don't worry: Elaboration is forthcoming. We're nestled in the lush foothills of Oahu's north shore, where Lost is shooting the 13th episode of its controversial third season. If you recall the opener in October, you'll recognize this idyllic village setting, with its cookie-cutter cabins and garden gazebo, as hostile territory. ''Welcome to Othersville,'' says Michael Emerson, a.k.a. Ben, the creepy-cunning leader of Mystery Island's devious denizens, the Others. ''Everything's relaxed. The stakes are low. And naturally, all of this is a big setup for...something.'' The spoiler cops won't allow us to reveal that something, let alone expand upon such intriguing sights as Others-recruited fertility doc Juliet (Elizabeth Mitchell) pushing Ben in a wheelchair, or Jack (Fox) cheerfully lobbing a football to his sworn enemy Mr. Friendly (M.C. Gainey). ''Everyone should be wondering what the hell is going on,'' explains Fox during a break. ''Has Jack been converted by the Others? Drugged? Is he pretending? All sorts of scenarios could be happening here.'' (At that moment, Evangeline Lilly — a.k.a. Kate — buzzes by and interjects: ''Don't believe a word he says. He's a liar!'')

Intriguing possibilities followed by maddening murkiness — that sentiment seems to sum up Lost lately. As the show ends its three-month hiatus with 16 consecutive episodes (designed to eliminate momentum-killing repeats) in a new 10 p.m. time slot on Wednesdays (to shield it from that Nielsen polar bear called American Idol), Lost finds itself at a crossroads: its heady pop-phenom days in the rearview, and life as just a really good show looming ahead. The problem? A nagging sense that ''really good'' isn't good enough. Sucks to be a piece of highly profitable game-changing genius, doesn't it?

Coming off season 2's explosive finale, season 3's initial batch of six episodes fell short of lofty expectations and triggered concerns that Lost's mojo was as ephemeral as its infamous smoke monster. There's too much emphasis on the Others! Where are old faves like Sayid and Hurley? Mr. Eko's death was lame! I hate the new castaways Nikki and Paulo! Locke's sweat lodge was too...sweaty! While the demand for satisfying resolutions to dangling plot questions intensified and suspicions of written-out-of-their-rears hucksterism multiplied, the audience began to dwindle (down 19 percent from the same period in fall 2005). Lost's geek buzz teleported over to NBC's Heroes, and the drama drew fewer viewers in its last two fall episodes than — oh, the unsexy horror! — Mandy Patinkin's Criminal Minds on CBS. Suddenly, the show everyone loved to theorize about had become the show everyone loved to bitch about.

Yet cast and crew see another side to the story: The critics are wrong. Those who pine for episodes filled with beloved characters and familiar situations can't appreciate the true ambition of Lost, which is to tell a deep, sprawling, intricate saga; one that is slowly, if sometimes tangentially, building toward an ultimate end. Mistakes have been made (Mr. Eko's sudden demise, a lackluster fall cliff-hanger), concede executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse, but they also believe that their allegedly dubious creative choices are about to be vindicated. Hopefully. ''I feel like we're playing a chess game,'' analogizes Lindelof, ''and in the first six moves, we've lost our queen and two bishops, and the audience is saying 'They are the worst chess players in the world!' What they don't realize is that we're nine moves away from checkmating you. If we lose, we lose. But that's the play, and we're standing by it.''

Nobody is more proud — and more defensive — about Lost than Fox. The fall from amazing grace? That's just the headline-hungry media tearing down what the cast and crew built up. The ratings decline? Those were simply hype-intrigued looky-loos who've decided Lost isn't for them and gravitated toward less complicated fare. ''Good riddance,'' says Fox. Besides, as the actor rightly points out, the show still ranks No. 5 ''in the category that makes this world go around'' — the 18-to-49 demographic. And what of the devotees who yearn for those innocent invisible-peanut-butter-flavored beach days? ''The people who rag on it that way aren't strong enough fans, really,'' he says. ''Those people are copping out.''

So...Lost hasn't lost it? ''No.''

It's an answer. Simple. Definitive. Defiant. The question is, Do you buy it?

To be clear, the creators of Lost don't have their heads buried in the sand. They hear the grumbling. They recognize that Lost's future is dependent upon making viewers happy. And guess what? Lindelof even considers some of their complaints to be ''legitimate...but that doesn't make them any easier to hear.''

So what happened? The producers believe the primary cause of discontent stems from the way they made use of season 3's weird if well-intentioned scheduling. Their plan was to utilize the fall ''miniseason'' to set up an array of story lines and tell one complete arc: Ben's scheme to manipulate Jack into operating on his tumor-choked spine. But with too much plot to deploy, the scribes opted to craft narrowly focused episodes that left no room for other characters, much less the show's myriad of ongoing subplots. Lost's pilots concede that season 3 should have emulated 24's model of consecutive installments. Next year, it likely will, says ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson: ''The show is best when [episodes air] in big chunks, if not all together.''

There are other regrets, too, none bigger than the clumsy killing of Mr. Eko (Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje). The producers wish they could have sicced Smokey on the warlord-turned-holy man later in the season, but the death was moved up to accommodate the actor's wish to exit the show. Not that anyone sounds terribly bothered by the accelerated execution. ''I don't miss him at all,'' says Terry O'Quinn, whose Locke matched wits and sticks with Eko. ''They cast people so perfectly that you confuse the actors and the characters. You feel an affinity for the ones you're supposed to, and friction with the ones you're supposed to. That was a very friction-filled relationship.'' (Akinnuoye-Agbaje declined to comment.)

However you viewed those half-dozen hours, the producers hope that you'll look at the big picture, three-quarters of which has yet to be unveiled. And they believe that you won't be disappointed by the masterstrokes yet to come. ''If the viewers don't like season 3 as a whole,'' says Cuse, ''then I'll be upset.''

What to expect in coming weeks? Plenty. There's flashback action for Claire, Hurley, and Sayid, the secret of Jack's made-in-Thailand tats (somehow connected to guest star Bai Ling), and the long-awaited tale of how Locke wound up in a wheelchair. (''I was afraid it'd be anticlimactic,'' says O'Quinn. ''It's not. It's pretty stunning. You're gonna go, 'Man, no wonder this guy wants to stay here!''') Also, the castaways discover that the Others possess a submarine. Want mythology? You got it. The kidnapped kids and stewardess Cindy (Kimberley Joseph) make an appearance in episode 9 (Feb. 21). The Others' connection to that utopian weird-science project, the Dharma Initiative, is slated to be revealed in episode 11 (March 7), which also features a visit to a new hatch (dubbed the Flame). And throughout, expect to see the repercussions of Ben's spinal surgery. ''There is a period of not being at full power, and in any hierarchical organization, that is a period of danger,'' says Emerson. ''That leaves a vacuum at the top, and other people may try to swoop in and occupy it.''

Meanwhile, back on the beach (Remember that place? Kinda sandy?), the Oceanic 815-ers will finally be dealing with the aftereffects of Desmond turning the fail-safe key, which imploded the hatch and lit the sky purple. In episode 8 (Feb. 14), the lovelorn Scottish soldier — new and improved with precognitive abilities! — informs a central character that he or she will die; he is also the subject of a flashback device employed ''in a way we never have before and never will again,'' hints Lindelof. ''It'll either blow people's minds or chase them away for good.'' (That sound you just heard? ABC execs chuckling nervously.)

Viewers were certainly interested in chasing away Nikki (Kiele Sanchez) and Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro), those heretofore unseen comely castaways whose wedged-in entrance would've been more stilted only if they'd been wearing winter parkas. While even Lindelof acknowledges that they are ''universally despised'' by fans, that's going to change, he vows: ''We had a plan when we introduced them, and we didn't get to fully execute that plan. But when the plan is executed, Nikki and Paulo will be iconic characters on the show.''

Speaking of icons, the love triangle of Kate, Sawyer, and Jack morphs into something of a quadrangle as Juliet cozies up closer to Jack. ''I don't think she knew he'd be the right person to help her [escape] until she started talking with him, and then, yes, I firmly believe her intention was to get him on her side,'' says Mitchell. ''But I think she also likes him. That's unexpected for her.'' Their nebulous relationship may not sit well with Kate, who for now has made her bed with Sawyer. ''I don't think that book is closed at all,'' says Lilly. ''Kate has a real journey to go on with Jack, in that they've never addressed the underlying current of attraction and love between them.... It has to be addressed.''

And yet, the talents behind the show concede that none of this may prove satisfying to those who pine for what Lilly calls ''the golden year'' of season 1. Lost is an evolving entity that is growing toward a final payoff, they say, and it must be allowed to switch focus (see: the Tailies, the Others) or plant slow-cooking subplots (see: Penelope, the four-toed statue) that serve the larger saga. Moreover, this is a mystery — which means the Big Answers (What is the island? What is the monster?) come much later. Get used to this, folks: ''None of the big questions are going to be answered until the end of the series,'' says Cuse, adding that according to the master plan, the Lost story has just passed its midpoint. ''How could we tell you those answers without deflating the central mystery of the show?''

Therein lies the inherent conflict surrounding this drama as it segues away from the romance of its beginnings. Call it Paradox Lost: The very thing that titillates fans and has them furiously creating conspiracy-theory websites also frustrates the bejesus out of them. Perhaps execution is everything. When Lost captures the imagination (and it surely can, as evidenced by Feb. 7's top-shelf return outing, ''Not in Portland''), there's no better mythology-rich pop culture puzzle. When the show doesn't — or, at least, when it decides to get all poignant and stuff with those Jin/Sun or Bernard/Rose episodes — the whole thing starts to teeter-totter like an ill-conceived game of Jenga. Occasional misfires are acceptable to hardcore fans, but they no doubt feel suspicious to those for whom the flameouts of Twin Peaks and The X-Files still burn. Which leads us to a critical question: Are the producers just screwing with us until the grand finale, stretching out story lines like taffy because they're out of ideas?

To paraphrase Mr. Fox: No. Or at least, not yet. They very much fear the day that they'll have to start filling time until they can unleash the finale they've already been plotting. That's why Lindelof and Cuse have begun talking to ABC about settling on an end date for Lost, before the show runs the risk of degenerating into irrelevance and/or self-parody. (Lindelof has publicly stated that episode 100 would be the ideal stopping point.) ''We know all the big moves we have left,'' explains Cuse. ''The reason we're having these discussions now is that we don't want to stall. By defining an end point, it gives the audience the confidence to know that this is going someplace.'' In theory, ABC's McPherson agrees with the producers' logic: ''It's important not to let things just peter out and end because they've lost traction.'' That said, he remains cryptic about the finer details of Operation Kill Cash Cow: ''At this point, it's just notions that everyone is kicking around.''

Those conversations could prove tricky. ABC may have come up with the concept for Lost, but it was co-creator J.J. Abrams, Lindelof, and Cuse who managed to make something artistically and financially remarkable out of it. And with their deals set to expire after season 3, Lindelof and Cuse have more than a modicum of leverage. Negotiations with the producing pair are said to be friendly, although with other Lost writers recently renewing their contracts, a contingency plan may be in the works. Asked if he's prepared to continue Lost without the duo, McPherson says, ''We'll keep them as long as we possibly can. We're going to lock Damon and Carlton in the basement.'' (Okay, but isn't that what the hatches are for?)

Among the cast members, there is actually considerable support for the idea of losing their jobs sooner rather than later. Establishing a farewell date ''is really necessary for our enthusiasm as actors,'' says Lilly. ''The idea that the show could go on ad nauseam is very crippling as an actor, because then you start to degrade the idea of the material in your mind.'' She adds that if ABC agrees to wrap the show at a creatively optimal (if financially premature) time, it sends a message that ''Lost didn't just set out as a precedent-setting television show, it's going to finish as one.''

And that's essentially what Lindelof and Cuse want: a happy ending to their trippy, trying, triumphant fairy tale. For Cuse, it looks like this: ''We get to end the show on its own terms. Whether other people like what we've got planned is TBD, but we think our ending is cool, and that's always been our criterion.'' Adds Lindelof: ''Then we want a big parade, like when John Glenn comes back from space in The Right Stuff.'' You deliver on your promises, guys, and we'll take care of the confetti later.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on February 09, 2007, 06:48:31 PM
i got a very strong 2001 vibe from the most recent episode -- ben's voice sounds sort of like HAL when he's lying down, and then that immediately gets followed by jack watching the conversation through the glass, unable to hear.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 09, 2007, 09:41:11 PM
there was also a red light looming in the background in the operation room. 

the episode had a kubrick feel in general, as this scene (http://youtube.com/watch?v=lvp2PF8XilY) was like something out of a clockwork orange. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 15, 2007, 09:03:34 AM
I don't think it needs to be said, but spoilers below.

Well I thought last night's episode was definitely a worthy follow-up to last week. Desmond is the most interesting character on the main island at the moment. Charlie is the most annoying, but this new mystery about his impending death (and Desmond's foresight) is interesting enough to rival what's happening on the Others' island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 15, 2007, 10:03:34 AM
Now even mod has to admit that last night's episode was of top-shelf season 2 quality if not season 1.  Unless he decides to be skeptical about it and writes it off as a Quantum Leap rip-off.

REQUISITE SPOILERS

This episode reminded me, for you Six Feet Under fans, of the Season 3 premiere when Nate was in limbo during his brain surgery.  The woman in the jewelry shop must be Desmond's subconscious (either that or Dharma can manipulate everyone much better than anyone realizes) in the same way that the dead were to the living on Six Feet. 

I'm kind of torn between accepting his quantum leap as having really happened and looking at it as a Wizard of Oz (referenced by the man's red shoes)-type thing.  With Charlie singing on the street (and Wonderwall... "Maybe/You're gonna be the one that saves me...") and the woman, I think it's more an internal rationalization that everything happens for a reason.  But then again, there's still the fact that he has memories of his entire life including things that have yet to happen.  So who knows?

Two things I was let down about: 1) I don't know that I like the Final Destination subplot introduced for Charlie.  I'll have to see where it goes because it will get tiresome if Desmond is constantly pushing him out of the way of falling trees and out of the way of ditches and shit; and 2) I was that I was hoping this episode would tie in directly with Penny's search for an electromagnetic anomaly in the South Pacific.  Maybe that he would have told her about it or something.  But no.  Not a complaint, just disappointed that my hunch was incorrect.  But other than that, it's the best episode since the one with Hurley's imaginary friend, I think.

And there were Hanso, Apollo Candy and Oceanic Airlines ads on the sidelines at the soccer game. (http://lost.cubit.net/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=220)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 15, 2007, 11:13:14 AM
Now even mod has to admit that last night's episode was of top-shelf season 2 quality if not season 1.  Unless he decides to be skeptical about it and writes it off as a Quantum Leap rip-off.
honestly, i was not feeling it.  and here's why.  LOST at its best is an extremely complicated juggling act.  there are a dozen main characters, and in order to keep all of them in the air, it takes a lot of skill.  last night, when we saw sayid and charlie and sun and claire (new bangs) i had almost forgotten they are on the same show it had been SO LONG since they had anything to do.  granted we just came back from a 4 month break but even earlier this season i don't remember them having too much to do either. 

even though or if jack and kate and sawyer are some of the main or most interesting or most popular characters, when you reduce LOST to focusing on only/mostly them for so long you lose the other characters and even they become less interesting.  so to come back from this break and have the first episode be again ONLY jack kate sawyer i think was a mistake.  and for the following to be ONLY desmond, an even bigger one.  they shouldnt ignore jack kate and sawyer just like they shouldnt have ignored the rest of the island the previous episodes.  its more interesting when you have both storylines to cut back and forth to.  obviously its not possible to feature every character in every episode but if they were able to focus on multiple storylines concurrently it would be better than this whiplash of going in opposite directions episode to episode. 

i see that last nights episode was somewhat breaking the mold of the show but didn't feel like it had very much to offer otherwise.  to switch subjects, 24 is great and everybody loves jack bauer.  but if 24 were ONLY jack bauer for episodes on end and there werent any other peripheral storylines and characters to cut to, it wouldnt be as interesting.  LOST is great because it (was) a true ensemble show whose structure enabled every character to be the MAIN character for at least one episode.  but even if they become the focus, when you lose track of too many other characters for too long, you are failing them and the show. 

i think the main problem is tv is ruining this for me.  if these could be watched without commercials and without a week between them i think the bigger picture would be seen easier than episode by episode.  if i had the willpower to wait till these were out on DVD (and attempt to block out all the spoilers floating around, probably impossible) i would.  i do not enjoy doing this.  i want TO LOVE THIS SHOW.  its ALL I WANT.  and i sit there and i watch and i'm feeling nothing. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 15, 2007, 12:02:12 PM
the scene where desmond throws down his tie reminded me a bit like the one in "out of sight".

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ithica45/lost_desmond.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ithica45/oos.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on February 15, 2007, 12:36:55 PM
a bit?  that was intentional, no doubt.  even when he pulls back his hair.  thought that homage was quite nice. 

fantastic show, friends... desmond is definitely in the top 3 characters I’d wanna see a whole entire episode devoted to.  Right behind jack & benny.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 15, 2007, 02:34:01 PM
It's sad that mod's heart is turning to stone, but that was one of the best episodes of the series so far.  In a lot of ways, Desmond is the true protagonist of the whole story; everyone else's goals mostly involve surviving the island and figuring out what's going on, but Desmond actually has this one overriding purpose that goes beyond all that.  Seeing that goal wrenched from him was heartbreaking.  And...

TINY LITTLE SPOILER

...could this mean the most pointless character on the island is going to die soon?  Is it Christmas again already?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 15, 2007, 05:41:38 PM
I was that I was hoping this episode would tie in directly with Penny's search for an electromagnetic anomaly in the South Pacific.  Maybe that he would have told her about it or something.  But no.  Not a complaint, just disappointed that my hunch was incorrect.

Ninth question down:

The Isle Files
Will Michael and Walt return? When will we get the Others' backstory? Just in time for the show's Feb. 7 return, ''Lost'' producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof tackle the best of the many tough questions you sent in

''LOST'' AT SEA Rest assured, we haven't heard the last of the Michael and Walt story, say our exec answer men.

You've got questions, we've got answers — straight from the mouths of Lost exec producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse. We sifted through more than 2,000 queries from EW readers and presented the most pressing to the powers that be.

What happened to Michael and Walt?
CARLTON CUSE: We put a pin in the Michael and Walt story for the season, but by no means is it over. It would be very strange for the end of Michael and Walt to just send them off in that boat without any acknowledgment of what has happened. But if you look at the bigger picture of Lost, there's a circularity to the way that story is going to unfold in the overall mythology, and that is a long, planned approach. Yes, we'll get back to the Michael and Walt story, and it will be really compelling when we do. But that's most likely a year 4 story.
DAMON LINDELOF: Michael and Walt are the first characters on the show to ''get off the island.'' But the pervasive question remains: What is ''off the island''?

Are we going to get the history of the Others in one shot, or will this be revealed over time?
LINDELOF: It's definitely unfolding. We will begin to find out how certain members of the Others joined the Others. Episode 7 should play as a surprise to some audience members that Juliet was not born on the island — she came off the island and was recruited by the Others. So some of them were born there and some of them were recruited, but what they are there to do will be revealed before who put them there and why.
CUSE: The connection between the Others and Dharma gets revealed in episode 11.

When will we see Libby again? Will we ever learn how she got into the mental hospital with Hurley?
CUSE: Given everything else we have to tell, that's going to be a mystery that's going to have to get answered in year 4.
LINDELOF: There's really one significant missing piece to Libby's story. We saw in the season finale last year that she met with Desmond, she gave him his boat, and we know that her husband died — and then we know that subsequent to that, she spent some time in a mental institution, the same one as Hurley. The question the audience wants answered is, How did she get from A to B — from Desmond to the mental institution? We know the answer to that question, but the only way to tell that story is through another character's flashback, and that character would have to be another character on the show who is not among the beach dwellers.

What is the significance of the horse that Kate saw?
CUSE: People seem mystified by this. I would say this: We have seen a number of apparitions on the island, from Jack's dad to Kate's horse. You'll be getting more of an understanding of those apparitions during the course of this season.
LINDELOF: What is the nature of those apparitions? By definition, an apparition shouldn't be something you could go up and touch, or that other people should be able to see. And yet, Kate's horse is real. It is living in the physical world. Sawyer sees it; Kate goes up and touches it. Does the horse bear a striking resemblance to a horse that provided her an escape in her past as a fugitive, or is it the same exact horse? That is a fundamental question. But look at the show in total. Here's Christian Shepherd [Jack's dad]. Here's Yemi [Eko's brother]. Here's the horse. Here's Walt. [Remember, Walt appeared to Shannon, and later to Shannon and Sayid in a backwards-speaking vision.] Are all those things the same thing, or are some of them different things?
CUSE: We're also using these things to set up an animated sitcom spin-off called ''Kate's Horse and Sayid's Cat.''
LINDELOF: That's right. Sayid's cat is coming up in episode 11. We're not joking.
CUSE: Except for the animated part.

What is the meaning or significance of the two skeletons that Jack and Kate found in the cave of season 1?
CUSE: The answer to that question goes to the nature of the timeline of the island. We don't want to say too much about it, but there are a couple Easter eggs embedded in [the Feb. 7 episode], one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons and hints at a larger mythological mystery that will start to unfold later in the season.
LINDELOF: There were certain things we knew from the very beginning. Independent of ever knowing when the end was going to be, we knew what it was going to be, and we wanted to start setting it up as early as season 1, or else people would think that we were making it up as we were going along. So the skeletons are the living — or, I guess, slowly decomposing — proof of that. When all is said and done, people are going to point to the skeletons and say, ''That is proof that from the very beginning, they always knew that they were going to do this.''

Last season, we saw in Ana Lucia's flashback that she witnessed an argument between Christian Shepherd and a woman in Australia, in which Christian demanded to see his daughter. The burning question/conspiracy theory that fans have is this: Is Claire Jack's half sister?
CUSE: We're not going to answer that question — but the show will. In the next six episodes.

Did Desmond's failure to press the button REALLY cause the plane to crash — or is there more to this story?
LINDELOF: In terms of the pragmatic reality, Oceanic 815 never would have crashed had Desmond pushed the button. But is there a larger, more faith-based, spiritualized reason that these people happened to be on that plane when he failed to press the button? If Desmond hadn't run into Jack at that stadium, would he have made the same choices that he made in his life? They all impact each other's lives. The fact that that guy is on that plane up there, and Desmond brings that plane down, it speaks to an interrelatedness among characters, why these people, why do they all connect. No amount of mythological answers will ever speak to this. That's the one thing that when the show ends, you won't have a causal explanation for why did all these people interconnect. Why some, why not others? The answer is just that they just do. The show is a massive Rube Goldberg device, in which all the components of the machinery are humans.

Even though The Hatch blew up, will we return to the mystery of the Dharma map that Desmond's previous Hatch occupants were painting on the retractable blast door?
CUSE: We will be visiting another Dharma station soon. But the map becomes less important, because when they visit this new station, they'll be getting some new information that helps them understand where the Dharma people lived and where their stations are.

Will Penelope ever become a significiant character, and when will we get a follow-up to the monumentally dramatic revelation at the end of season 2 that the EM burst was detected off the island?
CUSE: Penelope's story continues in episode 8 [Feb. 14] in Desmond's flashbacks. We put that scene at the end of the season finale for a reason, and like the anagram, they're components to a larger revelation. You'll learn more about why we put that scene at the end of season 2 by the end of season 3.

Does time pass differently on the island than off the island?
LINDELOF: That's a really perceptive question. We know that the Others taped the Red Sox win the World Series in 2004... so that would seem to indicate that time flows the same both on and off. But then again, when the sky turns purple and the ground shakes... wait. Hold on. Carlton is wringing my neck.
CUSE: Yes. Time passes very slowly because they don't have American Idol to watch.

In the ''death of Mr. Eko'' episode, it was my interpretation that the Monster was able to assume human form, i.e., Eko's brother. Am I crazy for thinking that? And will we learn anything more about the Monster's origins this season?
LINDELOF: You're not crazy. You will see the monster again this season. Its origins, however... well, you'll have to wait.
CUSE: Whether or not you learn more about it will depend on how obsessive you are. If you enjoy recording the program and studying individual frames, you might. But really, is that healthy?

Is there a mystery you will never solve?
LINDELOF: We will never give story time to revealing the construction of the infamous rope bridge.
CUSE: And honestly, we're never going to tell you why the French lady has a Yugoslavian accent.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 15, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

Also, what in the hell did they mean by this: "one of which is an anagram that actually sheds some light on the skeletons"......I have that episode on my computer, but I'm not about to go looking for an anagram. Unless it's got something to do with Jacob. They didn't even vaguely mention the skeletons, they haven't brought them up since season 1, and it seems like a pretty random/obscure time to do it in that episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 15, 2007, 10:07:42 PM
These guys have so much fun with people like us going crazy about this... its excellent.

I wish someone would stop Desmond from saving Charlie next time  :)

BTW, I just read that last nights episode had the lowest ratings ever for a new Lost episode... which is NOT good at all.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 16, 2007, 09:02:16 AM
BTW, I just read that last nights episode had the lowest ratings ever for a new Lost episode... which is NOT good at all.

But it's still the number one show on iTunes and iTunes can keep The Office in business, so who knows?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 16, 2007, 10:37:47 AM
It was very low but its still higher that most shows... however its bad because it shows how stupid people already think the show is not good anymore and stopped watching.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 16, 2007, 10:44:36 AM
New 'Lost' episode hits a ratings low

LOS ANGELES - "Lost" crashed in the ratings this week, hitting an all-time low for a new episode. ABC's drama about plane crash survivors stranded on a mysterious island drew an estimated 12.8 million viewers Wednesday, according to preliminary figures from Nielsen Media Research. That's well off the peak of more than 20 million for the drama that became an instant sensation when it debuted in September 2004.
 
ABC has worked hard to try to protect a show that helped turn the network's fortunes around, moving it to 10 p.m. EST Wednesday this year to steer clear of Fox's blockbuster "American Idol" and CBS's increasingly strong "Criminal Minds."

After "Lost" fans complained about reruns interrupting the show's serial flow last season, the network tried an experiment: It split the current season in two, airing six episodes before an extended break and then resuming with 16 additional episodes.

The show's Feb. 7 return was heavily promoted and drew nearly 14.5 million viewers. But the bounce didn't last, with the show slumping this week.

Although protected from top-rated "American Idol" in its new time 10 p.m. time slot, "Lost" now has the disadvantage of trying to draw viewers at an hour when fewer people are watching television. This Wednesday, Valentine's Day put a 7 percent dent in overall TV viewership.

In the show's defense, ABC noted that it beat the competition among the advertiser-favored young adult crowd, drawing 7.3 million viewers age 18 to 49 compared to the 5.8 million that tuned in to CBS' "CSI: New York."

"Lost" also handed ABC nearly 4 million more viewers in the time slot compared to last year, when short-lived drama "Invasion" aired, the network said.

But there's no question that "Lost," once riding big ratings, buzz and cachet, has lost significant ground.

Some fans and critics complain that the story has gotten confusing and unsatisfying. The show, named best drama at the 2005 Emmy Awards, was shut out at the 2006 ceremony.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 16, 2007, 11:38:07 AM
Pfft, whatever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 16, 2007, 02:25:21 PM
i wonder if they're ever going to factor in how many people watch it online. ever since abc.com put the episodes online the next day, thats usually how i watch the show.

it's a shame so many people think it's jumped the shark. as soon as a show requires viewers to exhibit the least amount of patience they lose interest. The only good thing i can see coming from this is that the dip in ratings will convince abc to end the show sooner as opposed to dragging it out 4 seasons too long like x-files.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 16, 2007, 03:14:57 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

or pretty intentional?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on February 16, 2007, 03:16:44 PM
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070216/ap_en_ot/tv_lost_is_lost

Will 'Lost' ratings plunge doom series?
By LYNN ELBER, AP Television Writer

LOS ANGELES - The show was smart and intriguingly spiked with supernatural and sci-fi twists. It featured hot new stars who graced glossy magazine covers — until the ratings tumbled. So much for "The X-Files," which enjoyed a nine-year run before misguided plots and a time slot change eroded its appeal. Flash forward to today and you'll find its counterpart in "Lost," another spooky, cerebral, sexy show — which may end up killed off before its time.

"`Lost' is the tragedy of the season," said Marc Berman, TV analyst for Media Week Online as well as a fan aggrieved by what he considers ABC's bungled handling of a favorite show. "They really prematurely put the nail in the coffin. It's too late to save it."

The saga of plane-crash survivors stranded on a dangerous and surreal island once drew an impressive 20 million-plus viewers as it helped raise ABC from ratings purgatory, gained cultural-phenomenon status and won the 2005 Emmy for best drama. But eight episodes into its third season, "Lost" has taken a painful nosedive, with an audience of 14.5 million for its Feb. 7 episode and 12.8 million — its lowest ever — for this week's show.

"Lost" will return for one more season, Berman predicted, and then likely sink from sight. (ABC declined requests for comment.)

Like Fox's "The X-Files," "Lost" has been pelted with viewer complaints (especially on many formerly adoring Web sites) about confusing plots and dangling mysteries — who the ominous "Others" are; whether the survivors are part of an elaborate scientific experiment; what is real, imagined, important or trivial. It has endured scheduling changes that were intended to help but ended up hurting, including a prolonged midseason absence that Berman called "suicide" and a move to 10 p.m. EST Wednesday.

Also like "The X-Files," "Lost" proved that offbeat tales and characters can mean a limited shelf life.

"Whenever you get outside one of the big three franchises — cops, doctors or lawyers — and into the more high-concept shows, they tend to burn bright but burn out faster," said veteran network executive Tom Nunan, now a TV and film producer ("Crash," "The Illusionist").

"Our expectations are higher, they're expected to reach greater milestones in a more original fashion," said Nunan, a follower of the show who believes it still deserves hit status.

"The X-Files" managed to maintain ratings growth into season five and didn't crash until its final year, 2001-02. "Lost" is slumping badly in year three.

"Viewers have become very unhappy with the show because they've left people hanging for too long," Berman said. "They've opened up too many cans of worms and haven't resolved enough issues."

Taking the focus away for long stretches from lead characters including Hurley (Jorge Garcia), Locke (Terry O'Quinn) and Sayid (Naveen Andrews) is another fan grievance, voiced even by those who feel warmly toward "Lost."

"You won't see characters for a bit, then you see them again and you have to recollect what was going on," said Chris Becker, 43, of Newport Beach.

But Becker, who admits to a fondness for science fiction, said he intends to stick with "Lost" to the last: "You're this far into it, you want to see how it ends."

That final chapter should have been years off for a property which, along with "Desperate Housewives" and "Grey's Anatomy," helped ABC (owned by Walt Disney Co.) regain ratings traction and buzz. The network tried to protect "Lost," moving it out of the way this month of returning Fox juggernaut "American Idol" at 9 p.m. Wednesday.

Switching "Lost" to 10 p.m. also created a stronger lead-in for lucrative local evening newscasts, important for ABC and its affiliate stations.

"The networks own a lot of affiliates. Strategically, as a business plan it's a little more clever than some people are giving it credit for," said Nunan, who was president of the now-defunct UPN network and worked at ABC, Fox and NBC.

But he dings ABC for failing to provide a strong lead-in for "Lost," which now follows either its own reruns or sitcoms. Another challenge: There's a smaller pool of viewers available during the 10 p.m. time slot than earlier in prime-time.

The series' producers said earlier this year they don't want to outstay their welcome, as they believe "The X-Files" did, and that they were talking with ABC about setting an end date for "Lost."

Certainly, however, no one had anything immediate in mind.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 16, 2007, 05:56:14 PM
As much as I hate to admit it and somehow disagree... they are not so off with those predictions and reasons.

The break was too long, the fact that there are so many unanswered questions from season 1 and 2 bothers a lot of people, and the inclusion of new characters (some of them with no purpose) also left important characters behind. Some of us love the show and dont want to admit it, and we defend it and wait for answers with more patience, but the truth is that the show has changed a lot from what it was and they made some decisions (artistic and commercial) that made a lot of people lose interest.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 17, 2007, 06:23:30 AM
http://www.decalgirl.com/browse.cfm/4,4309.htm
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 17, 2007, 08:36:34 AM
yes this is terrible news.  as much as i gripe, i still have the faith that the next episode will always be the one to turn it all around.  getting cancelled early would be terrible.  lowest ratings ever DURING SWEEPS!  not good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 17, 2007, 11:42:52 AM
Well, to an extent it does seem like the creators are losing grip on their own material. But I keep watching because individual episodes are still so damn good, and I have confidence that by the end of the season they will know what they're doing. Whether the general public will stick it out with them is uncertain, but I also feel pretty certain ABC will let them do their thing for two more seasons. They owe the show that much.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 18, 2007, 06:52:54 PM
Hm, if Malcolm David Kelley (Walt) was 13/14 when we last saw him, and the next time we see him will be when he's 15/16....that will be a pretty awkward bit of show continuity.

or pretty intentional?

I mean, considering not even a year of being on the island has passed, time moves slowly, and if we were to return to Walt from the time they left in year 4, as Lindelof described, that wouldn't work so hot.

or would it?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 18, 2007, 07:32:36 PM
i think something like 75 days has passed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 21, 2007, 10:43:32 PM
i hope isabelle is not a dude.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 22, 2007, 08:48:21 AM
OK, last night's episode was the first major disappointment for me... maybe ever.  I've defended the less than stellar episodes and, in retrospect, have even grown to appreciate certain episodes I wasn't so hot on the first time around.  But Jack's flashback this week was far and away the most uninteresting one in the run of the show. 

Maybe it's partially because of the fact that I enjoyed last week's as much as I did and this paled in comparison.  And definitely it's partially because the marketing people were pressured by ABC execs to act desperate overhype this week's episode that "reveals 3 mysteries" while, with the exception of the translation of part of Jack's tattoo, it reveals nothing more than we saw in the ads.  Yeah, that's gonna bring back the people who tuned out because they felt like the show was fucking them around.

I'm starting to get where mod is.  I've been content with them having little mini seasons that work an entire subplot over a couple of episodes without focusing on any of the other characters.  But this episode was one too many.  I know this is "the season of the Others" and I'm fine with that; it's just feeling like they're stretching it too thin.  Give us something else already. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 22, 2007, 11:09:15 AM
minor spoilers:


the lack of communication between the characters is starting to grate on me.

"you had a back yard?" "yea"..... (where?)
"you can't go back, they will kill you".... (why? why the hell are you here kid?)

"we're here to watch"...(watch what? no don't talk to the little girl, answer me!)

sorry. i'm always first to defend the new season among my friends, but last night was really just treading water, seemingly existing only to get jack and ben to the main island. i still love the show, but i really hope the storyline gets a little more focused.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 22, 2007, 01:31:41 PM
Last night's episode was probably the worst I've seen from this show. They're really pushing the Jack-Juliet thing a little too forcefully and a little too fast. The ending was cheesy. The flashback was lame, and I typically like Jack's flashbacks the most. After the last two episodes this was a major drop-off. But whatever, here's hoping they come back next week and beyond.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 22, 2007, 01:44:32 PM
Just a thought: this wasn't the episode they had to reshoot because some dumbfuck x-rayed the film at the Honolulu airport, was it?  Because unforeseen time constraints could potentially contribute to the awkwardness of the ending and the episode in general.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 22, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
Even if they had to reshoot it, the problem here was the script I think.

The flashback sucked. The rest kept going slowly in the same direction.

I also agree that I was waiting Jack to ask Cindy and the people staring at him what the fuck was happening instead of yelling like an angry gorilla.

I think Mod said it, if we were watching the DVD and one episode after the other, maybe you wouldnt notice what is happening so badly. However, not seeing Locke for over 4 months is fucking stupid. I think that is what ABC/Producers dont realize. It may have been only 3 days in the island, but for the audience its 4 months of not knowing what the fuck happened with Locke, Sayid, etc. We know a lot about the Others and the other island, and we know about Desmond, Charlie, Hurley, whatever...

I think this show is a lot about the characters and for the 3 million people who loved Locke or Ecko this show sucks now and thats why they are not watching it anymore.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 22, 2007, 09:57:23 PM
I'm agreeing only slightly with the sentiment about the episode. It was slow. Next to nothing was revealed. However, Jack's Thai girlfriend was very beautiful, but is it really against some custom of theirs to not tattoo people for whatever reason? Seemed a bit unexplained. "We're here to watch." What? You just got to see Jack, the guy from the same flight as you, the same reason you're trapped on the island. Why aren't you spewing answers at each other?!?! That was frustrating.

Overall, my devotion stands. It's still amazing for many reasons, and even this episode had its moments, eg Sawyer lighting Kate's torch, I found it compelling.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 23, 2007, 09:57:40 AM
Even if they had to reshoot it, the problem here was the script I think.
Yes, but if that was the case then it would be possible that they couldn't reshoot the original script as originally written because of the time/money constraints.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 27, 2007, 01:24:39 AM
Lost Revisits Hurley's Past

The upcoming Feb. 28 episode of ABC's Lost will revisit the backstory of Hurley, played by Jorge Garcia, co-executive producers Adam Horowitz and Edward Kitsis told SCI FI Wire. "What's exciting about the next one is it's really in the tradition of some Hurley episodes, like 'Everybody Hates Hugo,'" said Kitsis, who co-wrote the episode with Horowitz. "It's kind of a lighter episode. It's emotional, but what also, I think, people will really be excited about is we're back on the beach. You'll definitely get another piece of Hurley backstory."

"And I would say, make sure you watch 'til the very last second," Horowitz added.

As Lost fans know, Hugo "Hurley" Reyes is a reluctant lottery-winning millionaire who spent time in a mental institution and believes his special lottery winning numbers are cursed.

"Adam and I are lucky enough that this is our third Hurley story," Kitsis said. He and Horowitz also wrote 'Dave' and 'Everybody Hates Hugo.' They say that they've become the Hurley specialists on the show.

"We fell in love with him, and we tell everyone to back off," Horowitz said with a laugh. "We love writing for Hurley. ... It's a challenge coming up with any story, but the truth is, actually, the story this week was something that was conceived a really long time ago. So it was one of those stories we've been waiting to tell."

The writers added that there is more story coming for Locke, the troubled character played by Terry O'Quinn, who was in a wheelchair when he crashed onto the series' mysterious island. Why? "I don't want to give away anything, and I can't give away anything," Horowitz said with a laugh. "I value my job. But I will say that that episode, it's been a long time coming. It will create some new story paths for the audience to be interested in Locke. And we fully hope the question in everyone's head is answered, and they're all very happy with the answer and excited by it. But we're excited, because it has opened up some new things with that character that we hope you guys will like."

Kitsis and Horowitz confirmed that the rest of the season will also explore the backstories of Claire (Emilie de Ravin), Sayid (Naveen Andrews) and two characters new to this season, Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro) and Nikki (Kiele Sanchez). Lost airs at 10 p.m. ET/PT on Wednesdays.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 28, 2007, 01:05:23 AM
'Lost' navigates its way back to the beach crew
By William Keck, USA TODAY

PASADENA, Calif. — Hugs abound on tonight's Lost as Kate and Sawyer return to the beach after a 9-month absence — finally restoring the increasingly gloomy ABC drama to an upbeat ensemble.
For the past year, many of Lost's supporting players have been left stranded by the shore, sifting the sand from their shorts as the series turned a darker focus on new villains and a handful of heroic holdovers.

Fan favorites from the first season such as Charlie, Claire, Sayid, Hurley and Locke have been seen only sporadically. And perhaps not coincidentally, the former top-10 show's ratings have taken a dive. (The last two episodes in the new 10 ET/PT slot have drawn fewer than 13 million viewers each, down from a peak of 23.5 million.)

But Lost loyalists are buzzing in anticipation of tonight's beachside reunion, kicking of a string of flashbacks focusing on Hurley tonight, followed by Sayid, Claire and Locke. Charlie will also have considerably more to do on screen until his flashback airs at a later date in an uninterrupted, repeat-free run continuing all the way through to the two-hour season finale (May 23).

And, says Dominic Monaghan, who plays Charlie, "As the rollercoaster hits the end of the season, they're going to start relying on us quite a bit more."

Over lunch at the Ritz Carlton Hotel last month, Monaghan, Emilie de Ravin (Claire), Naveen Andrews (Sayid) and Jorge Garcia (Hurley) expulsed frustrations and toasted their resuscitated roles.

The most outspoken of the group, Andrews parades about with the bravado of a lion, getting an immediate laugh by noting, "Even though I like getting paid for doing nothing, it is nice occasionally to work."

Monaghan agrees. Having "done a lot of surfing this year," he has come to understand that "With 14 members in a cast who all want to work, as one person works more, thus work is being taken away from another actor. You have to make your peace with that."

But all are careful not to appear ungrateful. After all, on Lost, unhappy or troublesome actors have seemingly found their characters shot in the chest or hurled through the air to untimely deaths.

"Legitimately, the actors are frustrated," acknowledges executive producer Carlton Cuse in a later phone interview. "They're all really good at what they do, and it's difficult when they don't get a chance to do it."
 
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Flash back with Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Charlie

Hurley - February 28

"This focuses on the relationship with my dad," Garcia says. Cheech Marin pops up in the papa role, and viewers will get their first glance at a fit, young Hurley.

On the island, Hurley will demonstrate his continuing heartache for his murdered love interest, Libby: "You finally get to see a moment," Garcia says.

Expect Charlie and Jin to play significant roles. "Hurley sees it as his responsibility to try to make Charlie move into a different head space," Monaghan says. "So he takes Charlie on a little mission to shake him up."

Claire - March 14

"It goes back to when Claire is 17," de Ravin says. "There's a big jump from where her life is now to where it was then. I play a completely different character because her life is so dramatically different — a lot of very deep emotional issues there that she's still dealing with on the island."

De Ravin sports a black wig for this flashback to Claire's dark teenage phase. "You meet her parents and see what she's been dealing with," de Ravin says.

A flashback last season led viewers to believe that Claire's father and Jack's father might be one and the same. True? "You'll see," she says with a grin.

Sayid - March 7

"We learn about Sayid's time in Paris and find out what happens to a torturer when he's forced to answer for past sins," says executive producer Damon Lindelof. In present time, executive producer Carlton Cuse adds, "Sayid leads an expedition to the mysterious Dharma station known as 'The Flame.' " A cat from Sayid's past makes an island cameo.

All Andrews will offer up is: "There's loads of heavy emotions … and I'm cooking in it."

Charlie - Date not announced

Producers have chosen to keep secret when Charlie's next flashback will air, which probably has something to do with Desmond's premonition in the Feb. 14 episode that Charlie is destined to die. (Characters' deaths traditionally have occurred at the conclusion of their flashback shows.)

"I have to be careful to not tell you too much," says Monaghan, hinting only that "the Charlie stories are going to be coming toward a bottleneck. The Hurley, Sayid, Claire and Locke stories are all pushing together into a Charlie journey."

And if Charlie does in fact die? "That's fine," he says with a shrug. "This job is going to end for everyone. I've achieved everything that I wanted to do. It's been a fantastic opportunity for me, and it's done exactly what I wanted it to do: distance me from playing a hobbit (in TheLord of the Rings) and have people in America know I can act."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 28, 2007, 01:26:24 AM
Michael Ausiello said that there is a new character to be introduced in April. It's a girl, and apparently she is not a 815 survivor or an Other.

The casting? Marsha Thomason from Las Vegas (HOT!)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SHAFTR on March 01, 2007, 02:30:23 PM
I finally caught up with Lost a few weeks ago and I thought this week's Hurley episode was awful, perhaps the worst Lost episode yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 01, 2007, 02:48:07 PM
Did you see SEE last week's?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 01, 2007, 03:26:28 PM
really dissapointed... :(
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on March 01, 2007, 07:10:07 PM
heroes is the younger brother who eventually outgrew his older brother, lost and is now able to kick his ass. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 01, 2007, 07:15:39 PM
heroes is the younger brother who eventually outgrew his older brother, lost and is now able to kick his ass. 
i still have no respect for Heroes because it feels so much like an also ran.  i will try to resist as long as i can, stewing in the hate i have for all the promos.  if Heroes can get to the third season without starting to stumble as Lost has, then i will respect it.  but until THAT DAY...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 01, 2007, 07:29:01 PM
mod, forget heroes for now... although i know eventually u'll be hooked on it

arent u worried about what is happening with lost?

i mean this was the first episode was in the beach, and everyone was back... except for jack. what the fuck was it? nobody really asked questions in detail of what happened, how are they like, etc...

i love hurley and i would have loved that flashback a year ago... but i saw no point in todays episode... his personal fear and problems are too small for what is happening with the entire show i think...

and the car? the beer? that car was there maybe for 10 years or more... i have trouble starting my car when i leave for a month. when i had the accident with another car and it was parked for 3 months we couldnt start by rolling it down in the garage...

the beer has expiration date... they should show sawyer with fucking diarrea.

i was not mad enough the past episodes, but this one really made me angry. im all week looking forward to what happens next and it feels like they are fucking wasting everybodys time. episodes are short enough and there is too much going on for them to waste time without moving forward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 01, 2007, 09:36:58 PM
them to waste time without moving forward.


The ironic thing is that when you watch the episode on their website, that's the slogan Toyota has on top of the video.

I guess I'm just not greedy. I really have faith in the writers that they're taking this show somewhere great. I'm pretty patient, and I do enjoy these episodes where it's just about character. This was much better than past Hurley episodes, like the one with his imaginary friend, that one is pretty bad. This episode was a lot of fun. They don't have to discover a new hatch every week for me to like the show. Time passes slowly on an island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on March 02, 2007, 01:14:21 AM
I thought ast night's episode was a welcome breather (I bet it'll be more appreciated on DVD) from the gravity of the situation. Every episode does not need to reveal something, nor does it need to advance the main plot; last night was the first episode this season where we just saw some decent interaction between the supporting characters. These kinds of episodes work for what they are, nothing to get angry over.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 02, 2007, 02:47:30 AM
I'm just frustrated because we used to have more interesting interactions between the characters... I mean Locke... he hasnt said more than 4 lines this season... I'm looking forward to get more from him because he is one of my (and a lot of fans) favorite character. Or at least usted to be...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on March 06, 2007, 08:19:07 PM
Season 3 so far is really, really bad. 10 million people seem to agree...

I think they are really getting over their head by starting thousands and thousands of little mysteries that make no sense. They make situations enigmatic while a single easy question by a character would clarify everything, which is VERY frustrating since it creates a total suspension of disbelief.

Killing off Ecko was totally silly he had became a top 3 character.

I'm so disapointed by this show.

Desmond is the new Locke btw it seems
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on March 07, 2007, 11:10:52 PM
Did anyone else think tonight's flashback story was totaly dope?  :bravo:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 08, 2007, 01:05:24 AM
Did anyone else think tonight's flashback story was totaly dope?  :bravo:

The woman's cat story gave me chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 08, 2007, 02:10:14 PM
Lindelof and Cuse on The Treatment (http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt070307damon_lindelof_and_c).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 15, 2007, 11:45:38 AM
nobody here watching this anymore?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 15, 2007, 12:45:08 PM
with no doubt the best episode so far this season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 15, 2007, 01:39:57 PM
Agreed. One of the all-time best endings, too.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 15, 2007, 03:44:49 PM
So Jack and Claire are brother and sister? I'm glad I've kept watching. I almost stopped after those first few episodes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 15, 2007, 08:26:58 PM
I can't believe it...a Claire and Charlie storyline that wasn't completely awful! In fact, it's probably my favorite. One of the better flashbacks, and I agree, one of the best episode endings. Jack's goofy spike was absolutely perfect. Can't wait for the rest of the season. Overall, I'm glad the way they've structured this season. It's good to know I don't have to wait until April like other shows (The Office, Heroes) to get more, better quality shows.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 16, 2007, 12:13:41 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.

the rest was pretty good too... i really look forward to next episode about locke (where apparently we finally find out what happened to him and the wheelchair)

im getting excited about this again... yay
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 16, 2007, 06:48:55 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.
i pretty much wanted to post this with "intriguing" and "most" somewhere in it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 09:20:31 AM
best. ending. ever.

jack's face, kate's face... priceless.
i pretty much wanted to post this with "intriguing" and "most" somewhere in it.
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 16, 2007, 10:37:46 AM
you are missing the last shot when he had the touchdown and his face... it was the best jack face
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 11:35:40 AM
you are missing the last shot when he had the touchdown and his face... it was the best jack face


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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 16, 2007, 01:20:32 PM
you are missing when it cuts to black and says LOST... it was the best cut
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 16, 2007, 02:20:22 PM
you are missing when it cuts to black and says LOST... it was the best cut
my version doesn't have that cut. it continues with mr friendly dropping his pants and jack running like a girl towards him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 21, 2007, 10:14:02 PM
pappa Anthony Cooper looked absolutely terrified tonight
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on March 21, 2007, 10:26:43 PM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.  the past three weeks have all been great.  i didn't want to speak too soon before and jinx it, but i knew it could redeem itself and it definitely has.  hurleys ep was good and lightweight but at least a good re-introduction to many of the characters we had left behind.  sayids episode was great, so was claires, and locke's was amazing.  thank you god(s).  LOST is back.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 21, 2007, 10:41:38 PM
SPOILERS!!!



great episode really... how fucked up was jack walking towards the submarine ready to leave and the shit blowing up... the locke story is still one of the best in every flashback... ben was excellent too... and the ending was superb like last week... i agree LOST is back!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2007, 01:07:25 AM
sayids episode was great, so was claires, and locke's was amazing.

All three of their flashback endings have left me misty-eyed. Just seeing Locke seem so small in the wheelchair...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 22, 2007, 01:10:19 AM
It's nice to see Locke, after he's been singing castrato for about a season and a half, back with a pair of balls again.  We might finally be getting closer to the Jack vs. Locke epic struggle for island domination that we've been waiting so long for.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 22, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
We have our third Magnolia cast member on the show!  Marcy was Locke's benefits clerk at the beginning.

SPOILERS
 


"You fell eight stories and survived so don't tell me what you can't do."

 :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup:

LOST is back.

Reading this made me more emotional than the episode did but you should have waited until after next week if you were afraid of jinxing it.  Lindelof and Cuse said it's a Nikki/Xerxes Paolo flashback.  I'm a bit skeptical but it looks good so far.


So if Locke's dad is on the island and it's not the black smoke taking his form, then A) it's a set-up because; B) Locke's dad, Charles Widmore, and Christian Shepard are all in cahoots with Hanso and the Dharma Initiative; and C) Locke's dad is definitely the real Sawyer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on March 22, 2007, 11:44:51 AM
Reading this made me more emotional than the episode did but you should have waited until after next week if you were afraid of jinxing it.  Lindelof and Cuse said it's a Nikki/Xerxes Paolo flashback.  I'm a bit skeptical but it looks good so far.


Very Spoilery



so next week is the nikki/paulo episode.  i have a feeling they have a slick explanation for their sudden "appearance". have you noticed rose and bernard have been MIA for a while? i think when desmond went back in time he inadvertantly changed who got on the plane, with nikki and paulo taking their place. check this out:

again, spoilery images (if i'm right, that is)

http://gallery.lost-media.com/displayimage-1085-1241.html

and

http://www.thetailsection.com/expose/lost-expose-10.jpg


so yea, i need to get a life....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 22, 2007, 01:04:57 PM
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Will Locke be the key to 'Lost'?
Series mythology has cast him as the show’s most enigmatic character. Actor Terry O'Quinn just hopes they let Locke keep his mojo.
Source: Los Angeles Times


Spoiler alert: TiVo viewers be warned. This article contains plot points from recent episodes.



In the last two episodes of "Lost," John Locke told a few lies, killed an "Other," blew up a hatch full of communication devices and then set off more explosives in the Others' submarine to prevent anyone from leaving or arriving on the island. It's a far cry from the weeks he spent in a hole in the ground last season, punching computer buttons, only to emerge feeling like he wasted his time.

"Lost" mythology has cast Locke, played by the Emmy-nominated Terry O'Quinn, as the show's most enigmatic character. When Locke has his mojo, it seems, so does "Lost." In fact, the arc of Locke, and even O'Quinn's own story, closely parallel the highs and lows of the ABC serialized ensemble drama that changed television three years ago. Now, 80 days into the journey of the plane crash survivors, what most viewers intuited from the beginning seems to hold true: Locke is one important dude.

But is he the most significant castaway? The creators of "Lost" would never say anything that definitively, but they were willing to offer a glimpse of the way they've embedded some of the series' most telling elements in his story from the beginning. Co-creator Damon Lindelof confirms that in the end, Locke will be among the ones who matter most. Executive producer Carlton Cuse added this, with all the finality he could muster: "The character of John Locke is just the very heart of the show."

When Locke boarded Oceanic Flight 815, he was in a wheelchair. But when the plane crashed, he could mysteriously walk, and that seemed to bond him to the island forever. Wednesday's episode finally revealed to viewers how he became paralyzed: His con artist of a father, who years ago manipulated Locke into giving him a kidney, pushed him out a high-rise window, hoping to kill him. Then it did what "Lost" does. It delivered another whopper: Locke's father is tied up and gagged on "Other" territory.

"That was a big 'What?!' " O'Quinn said, describing how he felt when he first read the script. "It leaves you with a big question mark, but there was plenty revealed in this episode too."

Mysteries, loads of them, are the hallmark of this ABC series, sometimes frustratingly so. Since "Lost" returned in February from its three-month hiatus in a new 10 p.m. slot, it has shed nearly 2 million viewers, though it continues to rank as a top 10 show among the advertiser-coveted 18- to 49-year-olds.

As a fan of his own show, O'Quinn says he understands the audience's frustrations with schedule changes and the questions that outnumber the answers in the series, a dilemma brought on mostly by the flashback device that focuses on one character per week and the large number of characters.

"If I take Locke's story individually and just follow it from its beginning point to now, to me it's cohesive and it's understandable and it's interesting," O'Quinn said. "But because there are so many people, it's very patchy. It comes in fits and starts, and that's tough for the fans of the show to have to work to tie everything together."

Strong man

In the first season, Locke was a self-assured survivor who motivated Jack (Matthew Fox) to leadership, helped Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) work through his heroin addiction, built a crib for Claire's (Emilie de Ravin) baby and insisted that they blow open the hatchway. The unflinching Locke also sacrificed fellow castaway Boone's life, deliberately broke a transceiver, won his round against the menacing polar bear and dared to look inside "the eye of the island."

"I would get mail and e-mails from people that said the character had given them hope," O'Quinn said. "It was touching, and I thought the character was serene and strong. But then he became weak and addled, and I was upset that a strong card had become a weak card."

After the castaways went down the hatch in the second season, Locke was more than happy to save the world by pushing a button every 108 minutes. But when he learned that the hatch is supposedly a psychological experiment, he assumed the task he had been performing was meaningless, and that's when his faith began to unravel. Slowly, Locke regressed into the man he had been before the crash: a depressed office worker with no direction. And O'Quinn's discontent mounted.

"It's interesting because the actor took a parallel journey to the character," Cuse said. "Terry's frustration was really a good thing. And his growing disillusionment with his role was also a really good thing, because that's exactly what we wanted the character to do."

As the creators dreamed up Locke, Lindelof couldn't help but think of the Charles Atlas comic book ads he used to see when he was a child: the scrawny kid on the beach who gets sand kicked in his face by a bully, then starts weightlifting and whacks the bully in the face when he returns.

"I think that's basically who John Locke is," Lindelof said. "We keep showing you stories about him making bad decisions and being abused and conned and suckered, all because he wants to be loved. Now, he's on the island, he's not preoccupied with needing to be loved anymore. He just wants to know his place in the world, which I think is something Terry is also experiencing as a human being."

O'Quinn acknowledges that his fans' concerns that Locke was being emasculated troubled him because he felt he had never before had the chance to play a "person of strength and clarity, but with a lot of dimension."

"Maybe that's because I wasn't good enough to do it before," O'Quinn said. "Or maybe nothing suited me quite as well before, but it was a character that evolved, that had a lot of doubt and angles and strength and clarity. I guess what was unique to me was that I was playing a character to whom people responded really strongly and positively."

Fans have surmised that Locke was named after 17th century philosopher John Locke, who theorized that the mind is a tabula rasa (the title of the third episode of the series) — that is, individuals are born with a clean slate, without innate mental content, and build knowledge from their experiences.

Dead right, Lindelof said. The fictional Locke had lived a life marked by pain and disappointment until he regained his ability to walk on the island, which he interprets as a sign that destiny brought him there to give him a second chance. In this way, Cuse said, the character is a springboard to explore the issue of faith versus empiricism.

"The very original idea for Locke was that we needed a character who was going to have some sort of mystical quotient going on with him," Lindelof said. "He was going to be very mysterious and quiet. This plane crash is the best thing that's ever happened to this guy."

Whether Locke holds the key to the deepest mysteries of the island, O'Quinn has no idea.

"I don't know how central he is," he said, "but ... it usually means something when he's around. I think it's because of the deeper quality in him. Of this group of characters, he's the one that's actively looking for an explanation, not just a way home."

O'Quinn, who had worked with co-creator J.J. Abrams on "Alias," fit the role, Cuse said, because like Locke, he "marches to the tune of his own drummer." The actor often walks two hours barefoot on the beach from his home on the North Shore of Oahu, Hawaii, to the set.

"While all of the other actors are gathered on Kailua or Lanikai, the populated side of the island, Terry has set up camp away from civilization," Cuse said. "In many ways, he has the qualities of a kind of powerful and intuitive loner who are in close parallel to Locke as a character. He's a very self-reliant guy who really forged a life outside his work as an actor, and I think that gives him a quiet strength."

To the endgame

Through Locke, the creators set up the show's premise in the only scene in the pilot in which he speaks. In it, Locke and Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) are about to play backgammon and Locke explains the game: "Two players, two sides. One is light, one is dark." The scene ends with Locke asking, "Walt, do you want to know a secret?"

"That hook coming out of the pilot wasn't just that secret that he told Walt — that he used to be in a wheelchair and now he's mysteriously healed," Lindelof said. "That's everything the show is. Do you want to know a secret? And cutting away before you actually answer that question."

To this day, Locke and the other survivors — not to mention the viewers — do not fully understand how momentous it was when the sky turned purple and the ground shook when Locke finally refused to push the button, forcing Desmond to activate a fail-safe device.

"At one point, Locke believed he had found the answer — the meaning — and was yet again disappointed," O'Quinn said. "Although I don't think he was disappointed to be disappointed. I remember when I was very young, my appendix ruptured and I was unconscious for several days because I had gangrene and everything. And when I woke up, I was surrounded by nuns. And I thought, 'Oh, I'm in heaven and it's really gonna suck.' I think that's what Locke felt after pushing the button for about a month. 'Oh, this is my destiny. OK, it sucks.' "

Although O'Quinn is not fond of the weaker and unstable version of Locke inhabiting the island, he understands the journey the writers have outlined.

"I think what they're suggesting is that Locke hasn't dealt with his past," O'Quinn said. "That maybe it's impossible for the past to be simply wiped away. And maybe that's what they're saying about the island or the people or the story — that everyone has something to deal with."

Now that Locke has blown up the submarine, it seems all of the castaways will have plenty of time for introspection. And fans will have lots of time to ponder. It will be five weeks before viewers see Locke and his father again, but when they do, the results will be an intense set-up for the season's climax, Lindelof said.

"I think when Locke blew up the submarine he was saying, 'I'm not going to think too hard about this anymore,' " O'Quinn said. "I like it here. I don't want anybody to come here and mess it up, and I don't want anyone to leave. It's not a socially responsible choice. But, hey, if that's who he is, that's who he is. Maybe we'll find out it's all for a good reason. But I'm not particularly concerned with whether John Locke is a good guy or a bad guy. Just that he's an interesting guy and he comes from a source of strength."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 22, 2007, 05:33:41 PM
WOW. One of the top episodes of the entire season.

And a great article, thanks Mac.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 28, 2007, 12:30:32 AM
Andrews: Lost Mulls January Start

Naveen Andrews, who plays Sayid on ABC's hit series Lost, told SCI FI Wire that he believes the network may be mulling a later start for the upcoming fourth season, which would begin in January and run straight without a break, a la Fox's 24. "I believe that's the plan," Andrews said in an interview while promoting Grindhouse, in which he has a role.

This year, Lost premiered in the fall, ran for six weeks, then took a 13-week hiatus before returning in March with original episodes. The audience for the once-white-hot series cooled considerably, though it remains a top-10 show. The show also moved to a later timeslot, Wednesdays at 10 p.m., which may have been a factor in the audience drop.

"I think they should make it sort of like what it was before," Andrews opined. "I liked it when it started a little bit earlier, because a lot of the audience are kids, aren't they? I thought, hmm."

ABC recently announced that it was renewing Lost, but made no mention of start dates or timeslotes.

As for future episodes involving Andrews' character, a former intelligence officer for the Iraqi Republican Guard? "It would be nice if he were seen a bit more," Andrews said. "That's a start."

Andrews added about the show's direction: "I loved the first season. Now I'm really proud of it, and I put it up there with the work that I'm most proud of, and we'll always have it. They can't ever take it away. It'll always be there. And, you know, I'm not a writer. It's their choice to do what they want to with that show, and they will."

Lost remains in production, with four or five episodes yet to film, including the season finale, Andrews said. Grindhouse opens April 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on March 28, 2007, 10:10:23 PM
LOST is officially dead again. 

what a waste of an episode. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 28, 2007, 10:26:44 PM
FUCK THAT!

They turned Lost into a self-contained episode of Alfred Hitchcock Presents.  I don't really care that Nikki and Paolo were written into the show simply to be written out in this way.  Bottom line is they're gone.  Lost has always been suspenseful but that ending was straight up morbid, which I don't think they've ever done before.  They won't get away with that sort of thing again but for what it was, it was good.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on March 29, 2007, 04:13:36 AM
Yeah, screw the haters.  This was the best episode of Tales from the Crypt ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 29, 2007, 11:46:58 AM
Yeah, screw the haters.  This was the best episode of Tales from the Crypt Expose' ever.

I thought it was brilliant. A really interesting revisit of many things from the past seasons, including Charlie kidnapping Sun. That was a really nice touch, I thought. Also, Nikki and Paulo's lives are very indicative of live together, die alone, which they alluded too. I think for a nonepisode, this and the Hurley-centric one were both as good as they could've been. And I thought they were great.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on March 29, 2007, 12:04:02 PM
Even though it was the most pointless, uninformative filler episode in the history of television, it was still entertaining. I felt like I was watching some kind of freak meta-Lost fan-made spin-off or something. It was fun to revisit the pilot, see Shannon and Boone, and Mr. Artz, who I wish was a regular and hadn't been blown up. Though I hope this whole episode wasn't made just so they can say "Ooo look, we can listen to everything the Others do with this convenient walkie-talkie now".
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on March 29, 2007, 03:46:39 PM
Count me in for those who enjoyed last night's. LOST is so aware of itself as a show now that they can pull stuff like this off and still make it enjoyable.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on March 29, 2007, 03:58:31 PM
the last shot with nikki looking up gave me the chills.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 02:16:36 AM
Quote
Even though it was the most pointless, uninformative filler episode in the history of television, it was still entertaining.

a lot of people have said this episode was nothing more than a filler episode. "self-serving" was a quote from the lostpedia forum. i'm not so sure it is, given what i take to be hints throughout the episode: 1) when nikki died on the set of expose, her "con-target" said that they could always bring her back to life somehow. i thought this was the writers being self-referential. 2) john locke stating that nothing on the island stays buried for very long.

i don't think the writers went to the trouble of slowly introducing, and then post-fitting paulo and nikki into scenes just to kill them off in this episode leaving the rest of the survivors with a walkie talkie. i think this is the beginning of a new plot twist and thus not pointless and not a filler.

the whole story of paulo finding the "tv screens hatch" (i forget its name) and knowing of ben before any of the others is just a little bit too much to be just thrown away by the writers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on March 30, 2007, 06:21:27 AM
1) when nikki died on the set of expose, her "con-target" said that they could always bring her back to life somehow. i thought this was the writers being self-referential. 2) john locke stating that nothing on the island stays buried for very long.

Good points but I'll bet their acting in this episode made the producers change their minds.

Welcome to Xixax, pzyktzle.  You'll want to introduce yourself here (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.0).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 30, 2007, 07:09:54 AM
Good points but I'll bet their acting in this episode made the producers change their minds.

 :-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows. i'll bet the producers won't change their minds.

Welcome to Xixax, pzyktzle.  You'll want to introduce yourself here (http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=2.0).

cheers. will do.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 30, 2007, 06:41:40 PM
:-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows.
it was on par with a bad soap at best.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on March 30, 2007, 09:54:04 PM
Did anyone saw how Sawyer repeated "Who the hell are you?" like three more times in the episode? It was funny when he said it last week because its what everyone else was asking about them, but this was already mocking the show and telling us they know how bullshit those characters are.

I liked also seeing the older scenes and getting some clues... the fact that that douchebag was at the station before and didnt say anything really bothers me... but how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

And also, that fucking plane was full with assholes, criminals and crooks... Sawyer, Kate, these two idiots, Jin did his share of dirty work, Sayid was a torturer... and everybody else... a pretty fucked up group of passangers on the same plane... which explains why they all ended up there maybe
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on March 30, 2007, 11:14:23 PM
but how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

The way I understood it, if you listen carefully, before Nikki gets surrounded by the spiders, you could hear the mechcanical noise of the smoke monster.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:19:46 AM
:-D agreed. the acting is sub-par in terms of lost standards, but still light years ahead of a lot of other shows.
it was on par with a bad soap at best.

so basically you think the acting was the worst acting possible? what is worse than a bad soap?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on March 31, 2007, 02:39:02 AM
what is worse than a bad soap?
bad audition for a bad soap.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 02:43:43 AM
what is worse than a bad soap?
bad audition for a bad soap.

check mate  :-D
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on March 31, 2007, 03:03:34 AM
... and while i'm youtubing:

*possible spoiler*
if you don't know what the valenzetti equation is then you haven't seen this video. old, but good the "sri lanka" video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-eHEYswgK8) is the culmination of the lost experience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_experience)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on March 31, 2007, 02:11:04 PM
but how come we never saw a fucking spider (especially that kind of spider) before on the show and suddenly they are surrounded by dozens?

The way I understood it, if you listen carefully, before Nikki gets surrounded by the spiders, you could hear the mechcanical noise of the smoke monster.

They explained this with Arzt saying that the pheromones of a female spider could attract males from miles. The ones that bit her obviously were very close by.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 05, 2007, 02:12:38 PM
I can see why no one has posted yet. Definite eh.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 05, 2007, 02:28:31 PM
Nah, there was lots of tasty stuff in that episode.  It was just more of a transitional story than anything: "how do we get these people out of here and back to there?"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 05, 2007, 02:33:32 PM
I wasn't too thrilled with the flashback stuff but the island stuff was good.  In any case, the show has its confidence back; they had the balls to raise more questions instead of answering them for the first time in a while and I missed that.  This was the first episode all season that didn't have a "make or break" kind of feel.  

It didn't overdo it with the "OMG, Vincent turned into the smoke monster and killed Hurley but Libby's back from the dead" type stuff to keep people interested.  It wasn't "the biggest, baddest, most ball-draining episode of Lost ever in your fucking life!!!"  It was just an episode of Lost.  Now that people are starting to watch again, I'm glad they can get back to this kind of episode.

The big thing for me is, if the others have dossiers on the survivors and have no desire to kill any of them, what could they possibly gain by sending Juliet as a plant to the beach that they couldn't do already?

And where could they possibly have gone that Juliet wouldn't be able to find them?  She was with them for years.  What new spot could she not imagine they went to?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 05, 2007, 03:59:29 PM
for some reason i can't find a torrent of this ep anywhere.. it's episode 15 right? if anyone has a link gimme a pm as i don't want to check the thread.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 05, 2007, 04:06:13 PM
You can watch the episodes at ABC.com:

http://abc.go.com/site/allshows.html
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 05, 2007, 04:13:20 PM
not if you're canadian.

okay i'll never check the thread again startinnnnnnnnng now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 05, 2007, 10:53:20 PM
I think what I found weak about this episode, and maybe it explains why I wasn't upset by episodes strictly about the others or Nikki/Paulo and Hurley/VW Bus episodes, is that they divided their attention between too many stories. Sawyer and the vote, Kate's flashback, Kate and Juliet....it felt like the show's energy was spread too thin. It wasn't bad, it was just a very bland episode.

And why was Jack still passed out in the hallway if Kate woke up so quickly? They were away for days, and they come back and he's still lying there? That was strange to me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 06, 2007, 12:13:43 AM
I just hope they dont wait until Locke's next flashback episode to show what happened with him and his dad... I liked the Hurley-Sawyer story more than the others in this one. I do think Juliet has to know something... it cant be that everyone knew they were leaving and had everything done but her... she was not a prisoner or anything... I dont know it seems like the story developed a little confusing from the night when Locke blew up the submarine and then found his dad, to this...

 

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on April 06, 2007, 01:23:31 AM
did anyone else notice that locke returned from the sub completely soaked and without a gun (as well as his backpack), and yet we see him board the sub from the jetty/pier without any need to get into the water at all?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on April 06, 2007, 04:05:00 PM
not if you're canadian.

okay i'll never check the thread again startinnnnnnnnng now.

I found it on Torrentz.com THROUGH google but not through the site (wtf!)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 06, 2007, 04:45:45 PM
got it thankyou
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 07, 2007, 12:39:13 AM
best site for torrents is mininova.org
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on April 07, 2007, 02:22:18 AM
www.tvrss.net
is your friend.  it will pick you up when you're in trouble downtown, and call you when you're sad
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pzyktzle on April 07, 2007, 03:38:02 AM
supertorrents (http://www.supertorrents.org) does it for me.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on April 07, 2007, 03:51:48 AM
thank you all for coming to my aid repeatedly during this struggle, friends.

had i the interest, i would download and watch the episode several times more to show my gratitude.

special thanks goes to meatwad who supplied me with the very first link to the torrent in a pm late last night.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 10, 2007, 11:58:05 PM
SPOILERS for Tonights Episode (in Ask Ausiello). He says its 'the best episode of the season so far'.


Question: Any chance of some Lost scoop?— Roisin
Ausiello: As a matter of fact, there's a pretty good chance, since I illegally and unethically obtained an advance copy of tonight's Juliet-centric outing. Now, before we get to the spoilers, I feel it's my responsibility to tell you that this is easily the best Lost episode of the season. Bar none. You want answers? This one's got 'em in spades. Not only will we find out how Juliet came to the island, but we'll learn why she stuck around and the reason her people gassed her. And unlike some of the show's other "answers," these make perfect sense in the context of the overall narrative.

We'll also discover that:

* Claire's kidnapping didn't exactly go as planned.
* Juliet carried on an affair with an Other whose name wasn't Ben or Henry.
* There are real feelings between Sawyer and Kate. I know because there's a moment between the two of 'em that made me go all misty-eyed and sniffly, and that's never happened to me while watching these two before.
* Sun's fetus has bigger problems than figuring out who its daddy is.

And stealing a page from Ain't It Cool News' playbook (thanks, Herc; wish I'd thought of it myself!), here are some of the episode's standout quotes:

* "I had the day off."
* "If you choose to stay, I promise you we will *a** ******'* *i**."
* "The last thing either of you needs right now is more blood on your hands."
* "Because I did it to her."

One question this episode didn't answer is which category Elizabeth Mitchell will win her Emmy in: lead or supporting. You've come a long way, Dinah Lee Mayberry.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sigur Rós on April 11, 2007, 07:50:32 AM
Something better happen tonight! I'm starting to doubt that they have an idea for a cool ending and it's just gonna be polarbears and Smokemonster going crazy...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 11, 2007, 10:03:01 PM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.

what a great episode. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 12, 2007, 01:18:36 AM
LOST is officially back on its feet again.

For the last time, Lost was never off its feet.

I hereby revoke your seat on the bandwagon.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on April 12, 2007, 10:07:57 AM
i LOVED last nights episode.  don't think it was the best of the season, (didn't quite top Locke's from the recent batch) but it was goddamned good. 

MAJOR SPOILERS

everytime Juilet is onscreen i can hardly help myself from saying aloud how much i hate her.  i loved that the episode spent the bulk of the backstory trying to make her sympathetic only to pull the rug out at the end to say NOPE SHE IS FUCKING EVIL.  LOVE it. LOVE IT LOVE IT.

i loved that Sayid and Sawyer tracked her down.  Sayid has never been fooled by anyone. ever.  he knows who is not who they say they are, he knows if you're lying, he will hang back to not upset the Jack relationship but be waiting and watching her close.  LOVE IT.

did i misinterpret this or do you think that The Others are all cancer patients (and doctors/researchers)?

the thing i love about LOST that i can't think of any other show that does this (as well) is the way it constantly doubles back on its own timeline.  midway through the episode when they got to the first episode of season 3 was amazing.  and then seeing the events that happened just after that, filling in the grey areas.  and then it jumps forward in a later flashback and there is still so much to learn of how Juliet went from only wanting to leave the island to participating in evilness.

i love that "see you in a week" sets up such great tension for the upcoming episodes.  we know she's evil, sayid and sawyer know she's evil.  nobody else knows.  what could she possibly be doing there? and if the show follows the rough 1 day per episode model that means that a week will coincide exactly with the 2 hour finale, which means its going to be a(nother) mindblower.

on episodes of LOST like this one there is such a sense of forward motion that it makes it so disappointing on the inbetween weeks when you know there are places to go and you're not going there.  the last few weeks have been good but this week was great. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 12, 2007, 10:33:40 AM
Juliet isn't evil EVIL.  She's just this season's Michael.  "I'll do whatever it takes to see my sister again."  Except she's better at lying.  I really wasn't expecting a confirmation that she was full of shit until closer to the end of the season.

And when she finally grabs Sun to take her back to the Human Project others, who's gonna be able to stop her with her awesome karate skills?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 12, 2007, 11:36:41 AM
This is the best show on TV.

No other show makes you feel like you cant wait a week to see what is next, not even 24.

The episode was amazing and Juliet's acting was superb. She did great in both flashback episodes.

One of my favorite scenes of Lost is really when the Others gather out there and see the plane going down... amazing moment.

And its great that they jump back and forth in the timeline, its great to see all those dead characters over and over again.

And these are the moments when I'm so happy they had that 3 month hiatus and we dont have to see repeats, because this is the typical episode that they would put a repeat after last year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 12, 2007, 12:05:23 PM
i feel that the episodes is better when the whole cast is gathered. minus locke who will probably appear in the next episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 12, 2007, 01:55:16 PM
This is the most Lost episode of Lost since Season 2. Absolutely amazing, agree with everything that's been said...except mod's 'hatred' of Juliet. She's so beautiful, I can't help but be on her side no matter what.

The writing on this episode was so pitch perfect, but in a way not risky. I found myself completing many of the characters' sentences. In any case, one of the best in terms of developing plot, but not full-blown answering questions.

I don't think Lost has ever lost its footing. For christ sake, judging it one episode at a time doesn't take into account the entire arc of a season.

So Sun is preggers too. Is she next?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on April 14, 2007, 12:29:56 AM
Indeed, very good episode. I was worried last couple of episodes when Juliet started becoming a good character. That final scene was a brilliant stroke of manipulation on the writers' parts, completely shattering everything we've seen of her this past half-season.

The montaging toward the end was a little silly, is my only complaint.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 14, 2007, 01:36:53 PM
'Lost' in Transition
Finally, some answers! The show's producers come clean about sagging ratings, the Nikki/Paulo debacle, and the beginning of the island's end
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Jack is back on the beach! The Others can't make babies! And ding-dong...Nikki and Paulo are dead! Yes, the stormy third season of Lost is finally clearing up, in case you haven't noticed — and judging by the ratings, you haven't. Since the castaway drama returned to ABC in its new time slot (10 p.m. on Wednesdays) on Feb. 7, viewership has slipped by nearly 20 percent to 11.7 million, and the series is down 12 percent from its season 1 highs. Exec producer Damon Lindelof is blunt about the ratings drop: ''It sucks.''

To be fair, numbers alone don't tell the whole story of Lost's health. Despite the decline, the show still wins its time slot in the 18-49 demo, and it's also one of the most watched shows outside of its time period, thanks to Internet downloading and DVRs. ''Because we moved it to 10, it does seem as if the percentage of DVR recording has gone up. It's tough for people to stay up,'' says Larry Hyams, ABC's chief of research. ''The numbers should be building toward the season finale.'' While ABC has renewed Lost for another year, the producers admit that their demanding enterprise isn't the weekly must-see that it once was, especially during this strangely scheduled, awkwardly crafted third season. ''We've always felt Lost was a cult show at heart. I think what we're seeing now is a marketplace correction,'' says exec producer Carlton Cuse. ''The research shows that for the most part, the audience that started with the show is still with us, though they may be watching it in different ways.''

The producers are working very hard to keep the fans who are still watching satisfied and tuned in. That's why they (literally) buried Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro's unpopular newcomers, Nikki and Paulo. Originally, the diamond-swiping crooks were to have anchored a winking arc of stories; one twist-ending episode would have devoted its flashback to actress Nikki's cheeky TV show, Exposé about strippers who solve crimes. But faced with mounting disdain toward the abruptly introduced characters — and ramped-up viewer frustration with the show's aggressively enigmatic storytelling — the producers decided in December to telescope their ideas into a single, kiss-off episode. ''Back when we had more good faith with the audience, we could have gotten away with these shenanigans. Given the backlash against them, we had to clean up the mess,'' says Lindelof. ''We're now judged on an episode-by-episode basis. There's not a lot of room for error.''

The encouraging news: A sneak peek at upcoming episodes finds Lost delivering some serious storytelling goods. The April 18 outing sheds more light on Desmond's future flashes and brings a new character to the island. The April 25 installment — building on the recent disclosure that women who get pregnant on the island appear doomed to die — reveals the paternity of Sun's baby and has an ending that will leave theory spinners reconsidering their scenarios. And on May 2, fans will learn the answer to one of Lost's biggest mysteries, ''something we set up way back in season 1,'' says Lindelof. Care to be more specific? ''No way.''

The season's final three episodes are cloaked in mystery. Will the May 9 hour, entitled ''The Man Behind the Curtain,'' finally lay bare the Dharma Initiative mythology? ''No comment,'' teases Cuse. ''But it would be interesting if we finally met someone who was actually part of the Initiative.'' As for the two-hour May 23 finale, rumors of war and death abound. (RIP, Dominic Monaghan's Charlie and Michael Emerson's Ben?) Lindelof says they wrote the finale mindful that viewers probably won't see Lost again until January 2008 — when it would launch a rerun-free season, and perhaps the beginning of the end of the show itself. The producers have long approached Lost as a novel with a definitive final chapter, and have been in negotiations with ABC about determining and announcing an end date for the series. Such a move would be fairly unprecedented in broadcast television — and could imbue Lost with renewed urgency. But for now, neither side is commenting on the talks. ''Discussions continue'' is all Cuse will say.

However season 3 ends, Lindelof hopes Lost will again be on friendly terms with its rabid — but easily frustrated — audience. ''We made a promise back in the pilot,'' he says. ''We believe by the end of the season we'll have made good on it. And don't start pestering us about which frigging promise. Trust us. You'll know.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 18, 2007, 11:30:02 PM
Past midnight and still no posts? Thats strange.

I really liked this episode. SPOILERS.

I honestly loved it when this bastard got killed in the first minute, but it was too good to be truth. I did not care much about the flashback, but it did reveal some interesting things about Desmond and how he got there.

Jin telling ghost stories was the best part. I liked also that Sawyer knew that something happened with Jack after Kate came in crying and wanting to have sex. Still, it was good that he did not care about it and still had sex. The ping-pong between Jack and Sawyer was cool too, as they didnt have a moment like that since last season.

I wonder how that helicopter got there, as the range of a helicopter is not much. If there is a ship somewhere close by, I'm sure Penny is on it and that is what we will see in the finale.

It was a really good episode. Too bad Charlie is still alive though  :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2007, 09:19:49 AM
(http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t255/hutchy_boi/vlcsnap-10028353.png)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 19, 2007, 10:07:01 AM
^ i thought there was something weird about that picture (besides being a horrible photoshop job)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 19, 2007, 10:40:49 AM
If the Jay and Jack podcast callers are any indication, that is the most universally noticed easter egg of the run of the show.  I think that shitty photoshopping was what caught the eye.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 19, 2007, 01:38:24 PM
Wow, I did not see that before :yabbse-undecided:

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 19, 2007, 07:30:20 PM
For some reason, I couldn't remember that that was future lady and assumed it was Barbara Bush....  :doh:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 19, 2007, 10:51:24 PM
If the Jay and Jack podcast callers are any indication, that is the most universally noticed easter egg of the run of the show.  I think that shitty photoshopping was what caught the eye.

yeah! damn. i thought i was special then realized everyone on the internet had already caught it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on April 26, 2007, 11:28:43 AM
I love this show. Great episode.

I really want Juliet to be good, and I sat through this entire episode wondering if she just took Ben's intructions as a chance to leave them behind and help out the people on the beach. That tape message at the end was great.

However, I also sat through the episode thinking "I hope Sawyer doesn't knock up Kate and turn the island into a baby farm." But it will get interesting anyway, so I don't really mind.

Also, I could tell that the parachute girl didn't really say "Thank you for helping me" and that the guy lied about the translation, but I couldn't tell what she'd said. Apparently she said "Eu não estou só" which is Portugese for ""I'm not alone." The guy lied about it for some reason.  :ponder:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 26, 2007, 01:31:14 PM
The guy lied about it for some reason.  :ponder:

You mean, the guy whose head exploded a couple weeks ago and is now, somehow, still alive?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 26, 2007, 02:14:55 PM
the guy must be a robot or something.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on April 26, 2007, 02:44:25 PM
anyone read this dude's lost diary over at tmz?

http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/26/lost-diary-d-o-c/#continuedcontents (http://www.tmz.com/2007/04/26/lost-diary-d-o-c/#continuedcontents)

i like it.  and i like this:

"Assuming they aren't all in purgatory, and assuming this woman isn't lying (after all, she was looking for Desmond) here is a quick theory that will no doubt be proven wrong: Once the plane crashed on the island, Henry Gale called back to the Hanso/Dharma people to tell them what happened. The powers that be decided they couldn't have rescue teams come looking for the plane because they might find the island. So they somehow staged a fake crash site to keep people from looking. Could be, right?"

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on April 26, 2007, 02:58:25 PM
I agree with that because at that point, the only other possibility I can think of is that the island itself is one constant across a number of alternate realities and so people can potentially come into that bubble from any of those realities.  Maybe this woman came in from an alternate existence in which Biff is the richest man in Hill Valley Flight 815 really crashed and everyone actually died.

But smart money's on the Dharma cover-up.

Oh, and Kate's pregnant.  What's up with that?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on April 26, 2007, 03:20:23 PM
Smart money indeed - is it too far-fetched to think they could have actually gotten the plane that drifted into the sea?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on April 26, 2007, 05:51:09 PM
my initial impression was that island time is different than real time, something that has been tossed around a lot this season (mittelos = lost time).  thus, the parachuter comes from sometime in the near future, a future where the losties have died and their bodies have been found.

but that theory has its flaws as well.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 26, 2007, 08:20:59 PM
Smart money indeed - is it too far-fetched to think they could have actually gotten the plane that drifted into the sea?

possibly, but she mentioned that there were no survivors. if people were missing from the plane they would have said so.

the others are pretty brilliant manipulators (locking kate in an easy to escape cage, putting her in that dress) they're playing matchmakers!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on April 26, 2007, 08:37:56 PM
the others are pretty brilliant manipulators (locking kate in an easy to escape cage, putting her in that dress) they're playing matchmakers!

Good call!

And I don't know if this is still part of the lore of the island, but the idea of being able to leave and arrive to the island...it seemed before that it was both impossible to find and impossible to leave. Desmond in the second season talking about how he couldn't leave the island...maybe he just meant fatalistically. Now, it seems that this was completely made up by the Others. Am I slow, or is this something that's been slowly eroded away over time?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 27, 2007, 12:53:44 PM
I think the cover-up is probably what happened. They made sure nobody will come looking for the island. When such a big plane goes down, there will be an important search and rescue operation.

The rest about the others playing matchmakers could be very interesting with Kate and Sawyer. They seem to know that something is already happening to her. Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

One thing I was wondering is that Sun is pregnant for only 53 days. They've been on the island 90 days. I dont remember at what point exactly Sun took the test but the timing is kinda weird. I mean usually women dont feel pregnant until the 3-4 week. I did not look into that because Im hoping the writers know what they're doing.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on April 27, 2007, 07:42:55 PM
Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

Juliet said that sperm counts on the island were five times higher than normal.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 27, 2007, 11:48:09 PM
Maybe they gave them hormones or something before hoping they would bang, or maybe the island not only makes people heal but also conceive easier.

Juliet said that sperm counts on the island were five times higher than normal.

There you go. I forgot that.

Kate's pregnancy would be interesting also for Jack.

Thank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer. Maybe even Bernard and Rose can have a baby :)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2007, 12:01:41 AM
Thank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer.

Or imagine a Libby/Hurley baby.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on April 28, 2007, 12:14:50 AM
...amusing how juliet and the others are only concerned with sun and kate's possibly pregnancy. 40 survivors and no one else has been gettin' busy?  what else is there to do?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on April 28, 2007, 10:42:08 AM
Thank god Ana Lucia is dead, or she would also be pregnant with a baby from Sawyer.

Or imagine a Libby/Hurley baby.

or imagine them having sex. :saywhat:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on April 28, 2007, 10:58:48 AM
what else is there to do?

Ping-pong.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on April 28, 2007, 05:17:20 PM
No joke. They had a golf course also and I guess they got bored of playing golf after 2 days?

What the hell do all the other survivors in the background do? They never know what is happening, never get involved. Sometimes I feel it would have been better to have less survivors. But then they would not be able to introduce stupid new characters like Nikki and Paulo... Mmmm thats great!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 03, 2007, 02:00:58 PM
So I really liked last nights episode, maybe my favorite of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 03, 2007, 04:12:42 PM
holy balls, it was so awesome.
Even though we all knew about locke's dad...It was really funny how he believes the island to be hell "ain't it a lil hot fo heaven" me likey.

I can't wait for Michael to come back.

And should Jack be trusted? What's goin on there?

Oh. And i want to eight rope Juliet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 03, 2007, 04:27:22 PM
I got goosebumps so bad during the entire scene from when Locke's dad says, "Tom Sawyer," until the end. That was so fucking intense, Josh Holloway definitely has pure rage pegged. Interesting that Locke managed to con Sawyer, really poignant, subtle way of saying the apple doesn't fall too far. Probably the most intense episode ever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2007, 12:43:51 AM
It was great... I was waiting for so long to see that look on Sawyers face... and its one of the first 'connections' between characters that is openly revealed to them.

Locke has once again found his purpose and he is focused like in Season 1 with the Hatch... and its great to see how the situation with Jack and the rest is getting worse... I wonder if Jack became stupid or if he is smarter than Juliet and everyone else.

I loved that Locke's dad called Ben "bugeye"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 04, 2007, 09:29:21 PM
ABC to Announce Lost End Date
Source: E! Online

Kristin Veitch at E! Online has learned that ABC is planning to announce the end date for "Lost" very soon. Veitch says that "the exact number of remaining episodes and seasons is still muddy—and might not be exactly two seasons."

She added that ABC is planning to push back the return date for the show to January of next year in order to air new episodes back-to-back, and it is also very likely that "Lost" will change time slots next season.

Veitch also says that fans can expect a "massive, mind-blowing, cast-related 'game-changer'... which is revealed in the season finale."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 04, 2007, 10:42:59 PM
Smart money is on a full fourth season with a commitment to an abbreviated fifth season, with the possibility of a full-length fifth season if ratings come back into form.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 04, 2007, 11:45:34 PM
As much as they want the ratings to increase with this press and making it seem like 'its ending, so the questions will be answered soon', I think ABC is happy with the ratings at this point. Its still one of the best rated shows and one of the top 10 in the demographic.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 05, 2007, 12:10:38 AM
Also, if I'm not mistaken, it's still the most-purchased show on iTunes.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stefen on May 05, 2007, 01:56:48 AM
You guys are still watching this show? I watch the promos from the show their having this week, about the show they had last week, and it doesn't even make sense from the show they showed a promo about three weeks ago.

How are they gonna get new fans if they don't even make sense? They need to take some pointers from the OC. Now that's a show that made me make sure I watched the promos they had from the week before about the week before, so I could catch up for next weeks episode. I'm an OC expert and I never even watched a full episode. Just every weeks promos. Seth better get back with Summer and Ryan needs to chill with the agro shit. When do Ryan and Kirsten get together? Major milf.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 05, 2007, 07:03:29 AM
The promo they showed a few weeks ago was a "last few episodes of the season" promo.  They smashed up to 5 episodes of shit into 15 seconds.

What I don't think anyone is connecting, which polka kind of referred to on the last page, is that the ratings are going down because so many people are watching it on iTunes, or getting it for free on torrent sites.  I have only seen one article so far that connects online viewing with Nielsen ratings and that was in reference to The Office.  I don't understand why this isn't a bigger thing or one that's taken into greater consideration. 

I don't think it's possible for a show with a story arc that requires you watch the first 2 seasons will attract new viewers towards the end of season 3 with easy-to-follow promos.  At this point, the only new viewers the show will get are people who have finally been worn down by their friends who watch the first season or sci-fi geeks who have recently come out of long comas.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 05, 2007, 07:24:44 AM
or sci-fi geeks who have recently come out of long comas.
Man: Do Sonny and Cher still have that stupid show?
Kent: No, uh, she won an Oscar, and he's a Congressman.
Man: Good night!

in other news i've become really good at reading this thread without actually reading any posts.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 05, 2007, 08:29:10 AM
about 8 weeks ago i decided i'd had enough of the promos and stopped watching them completely pausing the show in the moment the show ends.  abc's ad dept is too desperate and makes every week seem like it will be the most dramatic week ever!  not to mention spoiling everything like SOMEONE WILL DIE!  i just don't need that.  i think it's improved my viewing.  i listen to the podcasts though where they give you a small tease of whats coming up without totally ruining everything. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 06, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
One mystery solved: 'Lost' to end in 2010
By Gary Levin, USA TODAY

The end is in sight for ABC's acclaimed island mystery Lost, but fans will have to wait until 2010 for all the answers.

In a highly unusual move, the network announces plans today to end the show after three more shortened seasons of 16 episodes each. The episodes will air consecutively, repeat-free, from February to May.

ABC's bold step marks a response to the show's producers, who have been eager to set a finish line to better plot out their convoluted mystery of plane-crash survivors and to placate fans who are frustrated that the show seemed to be vamping its way to a conclusion.

"Among fans there was an unease that they were making an investment in a show that's complicated without any sense of where that's going to lead them," co-creator Damon Lindelof said in an exclusive interview. "From the very beginning, fans and even critics have been saying, 'Are you making it up as you go along?' " which was "a legitimate question."

Now, with a still far-away ending in sight, Lindelof says he and executive producer Carlton Cuse have "specific designs for ending the next two seasons" and promises that with the answer-filled season finale May 23, viewers "will begin to get an idea of what that design will be, and it will not be at all what they expect."

The finale completed filming in Hawaii on Saturday, a day after Lindelof and Cuse signed new contracts that will keep them working on Lost exclusively for the duration. With 48 more episodes due, the show will have completed 60% of its planned six-season run.

"It's practically unprecedented in network TV to announce the end of a show this far out," Cuse says.

ABC Entertainment president Steve McPherson says the unusual long-term commitment is "a unique situation" he would be unlikely to repeat for other series. "It's one of the best shows that's ever been on," he says. "It's got brilliant storytelling, incredible character work, and takes chances beyond anything that's on the air now."

With Desperate Housewives, Lost re-energized ABC in fall 2004 and became a top 10 series. But after two time-slot switches, interruptions for low-rated repeats and a mystery that tried the patience of some fans, Lost has lost some steam. Ratings are down about 14% this season, though Lost still ranks highly among young adults and is the most heavily recorded show on DVRs.

McPherson concedes that splitting the current third season in two "was not the best for the show" and says the network also is discussing a return to an earlier time slot to draw more family viewership.

Shorter seasons will allow plots to be more tightly constructed and "will make it a real event," Lindelof says. "We won't have to do episodes where people are standing on the beach looking at the water and wondering what's going to happen next."

Will Lost risk losing fans' interest with an eight-month lag? "People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says. "We have faith that our audience, knowing exactly how much of the story we have left, is going to be with us for the rest of the ride."

But, Lindelof says, "the last five minutes of (this month's) finale are going to seal our fate."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 07, 2007, 12:04:40 AM
That's actually great news.  I think the show will thrive creatively with short seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 07, 2007, 01:12:22 AM
"People wait longer than eight months for the next books and films in the Harry Potter story and they don't seem to lose interest," Cuse says.

yeah but once they're out we don't have to wait a week before turning a page.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 07, 2007, 01:31:08 AM
I just dont like the idea of waiting 8 months and only getting 16 episodes instead of 22 or 24... it reminds me of how much I hate the HBO strategy for their shows. But at least its good to know the show will have 3 more seasons.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 07, 2007, 09:24:10 AM
I think this is ideal.  I'm not thrilled about having to wait 8 months for the next season but it's better than the shit they did in season 3.  However, I am very thrilled about 16 episodes. That means those 16 episodes will be tight as hell, presumably.  Each of us can go to every season and pull out at least 5 episodes (more for seasons 2 and 3) that could have been cut or incorporated into other episodes.  So let's hope they take this opportunity to not switch hands when jerking us off like they like to and just go hard and fast so they can get out of the car.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 07, 2007, 05:39:41 PM
Next on Fox: When Analogies Go Horribly Awry.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: sickfins on May 09, 2007, 11:16:49 PM
!!?!!?!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 10, 2007, 01:03:56 AM
!!?!!?!

That was Jacob.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 10, 2007, 11:18:23 AM
!!?!!?!

That was Jacob.

a.k.a christian shepherd?

(http://surl.se/pictures/20075/43268.png)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 11:22:07 AM
I still think Jacob looks more like Locke in a wig but... shit yeah, that could very well be Christian.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 10, 2007, 11:39:57 AM
on another note, remember how young ben could see his mother? and that she told him that he wasn't ready or something, correct me if i'm wrong. but this reminded on how jack could see his father a couple of days after the plane crashed on the island. just something i noticed, i don't know if there's a connection. if ben can see and talk to dead people, then jacob is christian?

hm....
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 10, 2007, 01:25:23 PM
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's all well and good, but what's up with Nestor Carbonell not aging?!!??!?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 02:20:44 PM
We may get the answer to that in the next couple of episodes.  I doubt they'll touch on it that much in season 4, depending on what the theme of that season is.  Because if he's a native and Ben is the only Dharma employee there, then there's a whole lot that we don't know about these people.  Namely, what is their scientific agenda?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 10, 2007, 04:45:41 PM
This is fucked up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 10, 2007, 06:49:05 PM
soooo fucked up,

Do you think Ben shot Locke where his missing kidney was?

Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 10, 2007, 07:15:57 PM
Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

And what kind of parents would give woodworking tools to a seven-year-old girl?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 10, 2007, 09:17:23 PM
Also, I wonder what happened to Ben's "girlfriend"...did she die in the gas too?

Bet in his next flashback we find out he knocked her up and she died from pregnancy.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 10, 2007, 11:15:37 PM
Ok this is fucked up still... but some comments...

- Amazing how much the kid looked like Michael Emerson... even some gestures. Good casting.

- I hope Locke doesnt die. Right after he beat the shit out of the russian I was thinking he was the best character and how happy I was that he is back being like in the first season.

- I dont know if I want this to get more supernatural than what it is. Its cool when some of the weirdest things have a simple explanation. I have enough with the black smoke and now the invisible man...

- Jack is officially a dick. Sawyer and Sayid should beat his ass.

- I missed Hurley and Desmond this episode.

- I want Charlie to finally die.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on May 11, 2007, 10:42:35 AM
Ok, a guy from work and I went over it, and there are SO MANY f'in daddy issues:

-Jack and his pops
-Kate and her stepdad
-Ben and his dad
-Locke and his dad
-Alex and Ben
-Michael and Walt
-Hurley and Cheech
-Sawyer and his alter ego, and his dead daddy
-Claire and Jack's dad
-Desmond and Penny's dad
-Sun and Jin and Sun's dad, also Jin's dad, but that's a stretch

That's quite a few.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 16, 2007, 11:28:34 PM
Tonights episode was blah... but I guess it makes sense... the calm before the storm.

I hate that this is the second time they do the 'Charlie is dying' thing and its obvious that he will not die when everyone is expecting it... so I knew something was going to happen.

The highlights were:

- Rose and Bernard
- Hurley in his 2 minute appearance
- The excitement/sadness that the finale is next week, meaning there is only one more episode before a 9 month break  :(
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 17, 2007, 08:12:15 AM
could this be cassidy? who was conned by sawyer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ithica45/cassidy.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on May 17, 2007, 10:20:32 AM
^that does look a lot like cassidy.

this felt more like the first hour of a three hour finale, but it did have a lot to set up. i like how they tied in where the cable on the beach led to. next week is gonna be intense!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 17, 2007, 10:35:17 AM
Man, I got so choked up when Charlie gave Hurley a goodbye hug.  That really got to me.  I haven't had a lump in my throat that big since Rose and Bernard reunited. 

I thought it was a good episode but yeah, I knew that they were faking us out with the flashback, that he wouldn't die at least in this episode.  Killing off Charlie would be kind of shitty but if it actually does get Claire off the island, fine.  They wrote themselves into a corner with her and the "you have to raise your baby or some bad stuff will happen" shit.  But if she leaves with Aaron, the world's biggest 2-month old, it's fine by me.

Fuck, I may cry at work because I keep thinking about that hug. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 17, 2007, 10:42:37 AM
could this be cassidy? who was conned by sawyer.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ithica45/cassidy.jpg)

the one conned by sawyer and then helped kate, no? could very much be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 23, 2007, 10:26:54 PM
Wow that was the strangest most beautiful ending. What a doozy.

Was the deceased Ben, maybe? They took care not to mention a sex, or at least I didn't notice one mentioned...so maybe it's some girl but I think Juliette would have had some people show up.

Ah whatever, what a wild way to end the season. Best episode yet, I think.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 23, 2007, 10:53:35 PM
SPOILERS - PUBRICK, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST YOU READING ANY FURTHER ON THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF SEASON 3.


Fucking fantastic!  Best season finale so far, no question about it.  But they're lucky that they got that end date locked down because with it, that was a legendary episode, the kind that geeks will be talking about for years like the JFK assassination.  Without that end date, it would have been the mother of all shark jumpers.  Now that we know something about the future, I think that would have been the last straw for a lot of people.  But since we know we have 48 more episodes after this, it's all good.

Sad to see Charlie go.  I really hoped he would make it.  Hurley's deus ex bus was a great moment, cheese-filled as it was. 

I first thought it was Ben in the box, since no one went to the funeral, but who knows?  All we know is it definitely isn't Hurley since the coffin was normal-sized (unless the producers know that Jorge Garcia is going to get his stomach stapled).  It could be Locke as well.  Kate's reaction to the idea of going to this person's funeral makes me think it's someone whom she's currently not on the outs with. 

A friend of mine suggested that they might change the show now to be closer to something like The Nine, that the island stuff will become the "flashbacks" and they'll show us this future.  Not sure how I feel about that but it's not a bad way to go.  Might be a stretch for the casual fan to stay with but it just regained its title (if it ever lost it) of TV's most gripping show, in particular with Jack's line of "You go upstairs and find my father and if I'm drunker than him, you can fire me."

It was a good day today.  Aced my math final, Jordin Sparks won American Idol like I predicted back in January, and Lost's season finale was kickass!   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 23, 2007, 10:58:02 PM
LOST IS THE BEST TV SHOW OF ALL TIME.

yes.  my mind is fucking blown.  i'm so sad right now i can't believe it.  thank you, season 3.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 23, 2007, 11:10:36 PM
Ah yes I agree all around. That episode truly did solidify this show's status as one of the best experiences since, shit, moving pictures. Fuck, I can't even think about it clearly. Can't wait to see where it goes from here. Hopefully they'll continue with these future flashbacks if only every now and then. That last clip was such a downer and a tease.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 23, 2007, 11:27:05 PM
Was the deceased Ben, maybe? They took care not to mention a sex, or at least I didn't notice one mentioned...so maybe it's some girl but I think Juliette would have had some people show up.

after a tivo reviewing the newspaper clipping says...

LOS ANGELES
A Man found
downtown


and thats all i could make out.  when he goes to the wake, the guy asks him "friend or family?" and he says neither.  that leads me to believe Ben is the most likely candidate.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on May 23, 2007, 11:32:13 PM
I thought Michael or Locke, personally.

And yeah, hurrah for Lost. Is this only coming back in January? Or February? If so that hurrah owns a hint of sadness.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 23, 2007, 11:34:08 PM
SPOILERS

I'm like everyone else here, completely shocked, excited, happy and sad.

Besides the final seconds of the show which were unbelievable for anyone who's been watching this for the past three years, the whole 2 hours were fantastic. I kinda hated the amount of commercials every 2 seconds, because I'm used to download the show with no commercials. I just could not wait until tomorrow to watch this.

The whole flashback scene, and Jack beating the shit out of Ben, and Locke seeing WALT and then the moment at the end. Everything was so so well done. Charlie speaking with Penelope and then dying. We know that Naomi was not sent by Penelope after all, so who is she? We know for the future-flash that they were rescued, but that doesn't mean they got rescued at that moment or how many years into the future they went. The mother-daughter reunion was not so great, but whatever everything was too much.

I also think it was Ben, or maybe Locke who died. But then again when you start thinking about it many of the castaways had no family (Sawyer, Sayid, etc.). It was probably Ben though, because of Kate's reaction.

The fucking one-eyed guy is invincible, apparently like Locke. Hurley's moment was great because he did not get much action in all these plans and nobody wanted his help cause he is fat and draws too much attention, so its great that he did that.

I cant believe how good this was, and that we have to wait until February to see what happens... I thought last year that I could not wait after the finale but now its really something else. Best TV show by far.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on May 24, 2007, 12:11:27 AM
I watched this with no commercials biatch. thank you tivo.
Agreed, best ending/season finale ever. Best show of all time.  :bravo:

How CRAZY would it be if season 3 marks some sort of symmetry and season 4-6 will all be future flashbacks?

Did anyone else think Charlie had a chance at swimming out the window?

Also it was a nice touch how Jack was using a Crazr phone to hint at the future.

I pity people who don't watch this show..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 24, 2007, 12:44:11 AM
I'm seriously so ecstatic. I was just pacing the floor for twenty minutes reexplaining the episode to my brother, who only watches the show once in a while but always likes being filled in.  this episode is going to make me watch all of season 3 in a new way, even the seemingly lightweight episodes like hurley's flashback (where he finds the car), take on new meaning.  i'm just satisfied on every level. 

in addition to the episode providing some of the coolest twists and revelations EVER, it was probably the most well done episode of the year. from the music to charlie's bad ass acting (loved the good vibrations bit), everything felt so incredibly epic.  it was like watching the best movie of 2007 (so far) on network television.   

cool parts (in addition the obvious, obviously): 

good vibrations/"you all everybody!"/charlie's heroic death
jack beating the shit out of ben
mikhail's [lack of an] eye
jack's beard
epic shots (arriving to the tower; 2001 homage when we see the two jurls talking from charlie's POV)
the notion the christian shepperd could still be alive. 

i unno, i still have a lot to think about,  but i'm gonna get all crazy and write in big fonts now...

LOST IS INCREDIBLE. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 24, 2007, 01:07:27 AM
SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dead man seems to be LOCKE. The paper seems to say "Jo........". But who the hell knows. Look at his image.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)

Also here is a link from someone creepier than us that already has screenshots about every single scene of the episode.

http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/ (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 24, 2007, 01:11:23 AM
So wait, Walt hit puberty in a matter of days?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on May 24, 2007, 01:16:19 AM
Can I go around and kick in the nuts all the people who spent the whole season complaining about how the show had lost its way?  Can I please?  Is it too much to ask that we never doubt Lost again?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on May 24, 2007, 08:51:00 AM
SPOILERS - PUBRICK, I WOULD STRONGLY ADVISE AGAINST YOU READING ANY FURTHER ON THIS THREAD UNTIL YOU'VE SEEN ALL OF SEASON 3.

thanks sparrow!

i managed to even avoid the pic above your post. and for the record tonite's episode finished just a few hours ago and it was the one where we find out how locke lost his groove/legs. next week is about the useless new characters.. i now bid this thread adieu. i'd also appreciate it if you guys don't refer to anything spoilerful outside this thread, obviously. i saw a comment about nikki/paulo in the heroes thread and it confused me.

see y'all in human giant!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2007, 09:38:20 AM
(http://gallery.lost-media.com/albums/ep-caps/season3/3x22-2/normal_3x22-glass1877.jpg)

(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/210/512131234_0465839520.jpg)


I also think it was Ben, or maybe Locke who died.

I know that between the moment Jack makes the call to Not Penny's Boat and that moment with him and Kate at the airport in the future (2007?), a lot is going to happen.  But I can't see Locke or Ben leaving the island without being dead first.  Ben hasn't been off the island in 30 years and has NOTHING for him out there.  Same with Locke more or less.

SPOILER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The dead man seems to be LOCKE. The paper seems to say "Jo........". But who the hell knows. Look at his image.

http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg (http://bp0.blogger.com/_RrObyQ3XzcY/RlUe-1YihSI/AAAAAAAAFkw/ucINFuG1jfo/s1600-h/newspaperclipping2.jpg)

That clipping has a name like Jo... Lantham, it looks like.  Either someone we haven't met, an other whose name don't know, or maybe a Sawyer alias.

And whoever Kate had waiting for her at home... maybe it was her son as opposed to husband. 

Too many things... too many things... too many things... too many things...




So wait, Walt hit puberty in a matter of days?

He must have seen kal's avatar.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: elpablo on May 24, 2007, 11:32:36 AM
Fuck. I just realized I downloaded and watched a torrent of the second hour and didn't realize it was split into two. Either way, I was able to follow it and it was amazing. I've been thinking that it was dumb of them to announce an end date because now every time they found a way off the island I would know it wasn't real, but of course they knew exactly what they were doing all along.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 24, 2007, 12:09:54 PM
this was a complete wtf moment:

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v720/ithica45/lost.jpg)

sayid killing one of the others, the easy way. :yabbse-smiley:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 24, 2007, 12:39:00 PM
Sayid has seen combat, knows when people are lying, is not above torture as a means of getting people to tell the truth, ALWAYS knows what's going on but no one listens to him most of the time, and can snap a man's neck with his feet still bound.

He's the Jack Bauer of the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2007, 01:46:58 PM
Going by that intense close-up of the newspaper clipping, it looks like Jo-- Lantham of New York. I don't remember any characters being from New York off the top of my head.

And I agree about the Charlie scenes (nice correlations, JG and sparrow). He was never a character I particularly liked but he had some awesome, awesome scenes here (big kudos to Dominic Monaghan) and it was the best death of a major character yet. That look in his eyes when he shows his hand to Desmond, and the slow cross he forms on his head and shoulders. Powerful.

Also, Matthew Fox did an awesome job as usual. He managed to balance a character that's a likable leader but still not really sympathetic because of his seeming obsession with getting everyone off the island, and the flashforward scenes are all incredible, taking that more subtle obsessive quality that's been bubbling under the surface all along and making it palpable. The flashforward is great because it really does feel like a direct result of what's happening in the main storyline, for instance the transition of Jack's character, or the mistake made by calling the boat.

I'm thinking in some way they'll be playing with time in future episodes. Jack will find a way to reverse his decision next season, and then we'll see what should have happened and the island's story come to an end in the fifth season (is my guess). Perhaps all the electromagnetic shit/purple sky on the island will be involved. Being rescued and recovering in civilization certainly can't fill up 48 more episodes, at least.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 24, 2007, 04:42:12 PM
The point is we have no idea when that future was taking place... and if they got indeed rescued at that moment or maybe later on.

There are many island mysteries for them to leave the island. Now that Walt is back (or maybe he is not) maybe Michael will be back as well. The Jacob storyline is there, and a bunch of other things like the smoke monster and other Dharma-Others questions.

The amazing thing is that feeling, which reminded me of Castaway, of going back to the real world and not being able to understand things or adapt. Who knows that else happened to them in that time, but we have seen Jack in fucked up situations before, and he never was like this. He wanted to die, he wanted to go back at any cost. He says in the finale that he loves Kate, but then they are not together in the future.

My point is, there is enough on island and off island stuff for them to do 48 amazing episodes. The thing now is for us to wonder how it will go from here to the season premiere. Its a long way to go, but it will be amazing I'm sure. I loved the beginning of season 2, and season 3 was also excellent. So after a finale like this I will expect the next episode to be even more mind blowing.

The show got a lot better ratings last night, and I'm sure with everyone talking about the incredible finale a lot of people will catch up and tune back in next year.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: john on May 24, 2007, 05:42:43 PM
This is a damn fine show, highlighted by a very good season finale.

But this board cuts television shows a lot more slack than films. Maybe, collectively the interest here for television is more passive and not as passionate as it is for film.

Because Lost has degenerated numerous times into bullshit theatrics and soap opera tactics. Last night, while very good, still wasn't much of an exception.

I mean, I like it... it has some really elevated moments.

It just really seems like well made, superficial fun to me. Not bad by any regard, just not as weighty as it believes itself to be.

And Charlie's death, while nicely shot, seemed really forced.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on May 24, 2007, 08:39:01 PM
Now that Walt is back (or maybe he is not) maybe Michael will be back as well. The Jacob storyline is there, and a bunch of other things like the smoke monster and other Dharma-Others questions.
I doubt it was Walt in the flesh. That wouldn't make sense, as he would have been with Locke in the final scene, or with Michael....or something. It was staged in such a way that it looked like an hallucination. I'm thinking Jacob (or the island) was talking to Locke in the form of Walt. Wasn't there a thing in the first season where Walt could hear voices and see the future? Also, the Others wanted Walt back when he was on the island. Sawyer even took care to bring that moment up when he shot Tommy. I think the Others wanted Walt for the same reason they wanted Locke, because they suspected he could converse/interact with Jacob (the island). So it makes sense to me at least that Jacob would use "Walt" as his messenger. Perhaps Shannon's run-in with Walt last season was also the same thing.  I dunno, just an idea.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 25, 2007, 02:08:50 AM
Sayid has seen combat, knows when people are lying, is not above torture as a means of getting people to tell the truth, ALWAYS knows what's going on but no one listens to him most of the time, and can snap a man's neck with his feet still bound.

He's the Jack Bauer of the island.

I remembered Jack Bauer at the beginning when Sayid is telling Jack not to come back. He said that he would give his life if it meant that they were getting rescued. But after he says that he says "do you understand me?". Thats classic Jack Bauer.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2007, 02:50:05 AM
Perhaps Shannon's run-in with Walt last season was also the same thing.  I dunno, just an idea.
i think that's almost certainly what it was.

- when it went to jack sitting against the wall at the end, just then i was thinking oh my god this is the future and the brilliance was paralyzing.

- i think it would be incredible if the next season took place in the future and was about getting back and the reason for getting back was informed by flashbacks to the island/ultimate rescue. i don't think the standard coverage of events on the island will show it now that they're all together. and standard flashbacks are pretty much obsolete now that they've done this. really this is one of the most brilliant twists ever. they remain lost in the real world. the show can only end the moment both we and they aren't. or can it?

- for the first time ever i fully trust the people in charge of this. it's been difficult to trust such a thing ever since the matrix.

- i loved the locke gun-pointing at jack. you don't want jack to die but you just know he shouldn't answer the phone but you don't know why but he really shouldn't! it was a great moment for locke when he said "jack.." and lowered the gun too cause he's been bordering on monster for a while.

- if the guy in the casket is someone we haven't met, he's got a lot to live die up to.

- i've heard a theory that when they get back to the real world the present they remember has been altered in some way, which explains why jack's dad is alive and kate isn't a fugitive and (pure speculation) perhaps other things like hugo isn't rich.. good, yet unexplainable changes and they all know it's not their world. this might be what jack means by "I'm sick of lying!" and it would explain his addiction a little.

- i don't know why the "ahahwoo-oooooh ooh. yea yea yea yea ya"-music wasn't playing in hurley's van. aside from maybe killing the element of surprise. but it would've been an awesome addition throughout the whole scene. i might have to re-edit/youtube it.

- easily the best use of the phrase "through the looking glass" since the original.

- even though i can't wait 9 months, they couldn't have given everyone more to talk about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 25, 2007, 03:22:43 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on May 25, 2007, 04:06:55 PM
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on May 25, 2007, 04:11:55 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on May 25, 2007, 04:33:17 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
Very tarantino in its violence and music splicing together.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on May 25, 2007, 04:51:34 PM
WHO THE HELL IS JOHN LANTHAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on May 25, 2007, 10:40:42 PM
hmm, michael?  maybe he was forced to change his identity upon leaving the island?  edit: hey now, a google search for john lantham led me to a wikipedia page for artist john latham..

either way, the fact that this episode will have us guessing for so long is awesome. 

i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.

yeah, this is really great. 

edit 2:  more on john latham from wikipedia. 

"Perhaps the culmination of Latham's fusion of art, science and sociology was the concept of Flat Time. In its most basic form, it is represented by a canvas attached at the top to a cylinder which rolls up and unrolls on an electric motor. The back of the canvas faces outwards so that the image is only visible along the cylinder at the point where it unrolls. This represents the present moment in passing time which can only be made sense of when related to what has already gone, the past, represented by the image on the back of the canvas."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on May 26, 2007, 06:33:19 AM
"The body of John Lantham of New York was found shortly after 4 am in the 4300 block of Grand Avenue.

Ted Worden, a doorman at the Tower Lofts complex, heard loud noises coming from the victim's loft.

Concerned for tenants' safety, he entered the loft and found the body hanging from a beam in the living room.

According to Jaime Ortiz, a police spokesman, the incident was deemed a suicide after medical tests. Latham (sic) is survived by one teenaged son.

Memorial services will be held at the Hoffs-Drawlar Funeral Home tomorrow evening."

So where did you read that?

EDIT: Never mind. (http://losteastereggs.blogspot.com/2007/05/newspaper-through-looking-glass.html)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on May 26, 2007, 08:04:43 AM
that must be michael who died. and is survived by his teenage son (walt?).
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on May 27, 2007, 07:11:39 PM
i youtube'd it (http://youtube.com/watch?v=0dJKnG4IDlY).
that is incredible(y funny).  it will have a billion views in a few weeks.
UPDATE FROM YESTERDAY: #20 - Most Viewed (Today) - Autos & Vehicles - English

woo.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on May 31, 2007, 11:41:55 AM
"Lost: The Complete Third Season -- The Unexplored Experience" streets Dec. 11 on DVD and Blu-ray Disc. The 23-episode, seven-disc set comes with a one-on-one with star Matthew Fox, a featurette on "The Others," a documentary chronicling 24 hours in production and a selection of never-before-seen flashbacks. Also included are behind-the-scenes looks at 10 episodes, audio commentaries, deleted scenes and bloopers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on June 08, 2007, 11:36:52 PM
I heard that Harrold Perrinau (Michael) was considering an offer to return as series regular for S4.

Let the fucking S4 rumors begin while we fucking wait like idiots...

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on June 13, 2007, 04:33:21 PM
Producers: 'Lost' won't end 'with a blackout'
Source: Hollywood Reporter

NEW YORK -- Even after Sunday's controversial conclusion to "The Sopranos," two "Lost" executive producers said Wednesday that they weren't planning a murky ending to their hit ABC drama.

"We will not be ending with a blackout," executive producer Carlton Cuse told an audience gathered in Midtown Manhattan for the second day of Promax/BDA's annual conference.

He and co-creator Damon Lindelof answered questions -- but not any of those questions -- and said that they do have an ending for the show that was fleshed out along with the last three seasons during a recently completed writers' "minicamp" before the start of production in August.

"Lost" will end in spring 2010 after 48 more hourlong episodes, 16 per season. Lindelof said "Lost" has to move from asking more questions to answering the questions posed during the series' run.

"Obviously, we can't wait to the 48th hour to say, 'Here are all the mysteries of the show,' " Lindelof said. But Cuse also noted the reality of the sometimes vociferous and heavily engaged viewership of the show, which uses the Web to advance theories and post explanations and even freeze-frames to parse further meaning.
 
"I'm not sure there is any ending that will satisfy everyone," Cuse said. "Our hope is that the ending will be ... the logical conclusion of the story."

Cuse said the first season was about the Oceanic Flight 815 survivors landing on the island and realizing they weren't going to get rescued. The second season was about the hatch, and the third season was about the Others.

"Next season, well, we'll talk about that later," Cuse said.

While "Lost" viewers will have to wait till next year to see the next TV episodes, Cuse and Lindelof said in the fall there will be a series of "Lost" mobisodes featuring the entire cast and rolling out first on Verizon Wireless and then probably appearing on ABC.com. They said they're keenly aware of the eight-month gap between last month's finale and the return of "Lost" at the beginning of next year.

"How do you keep the show alive in the minds of the audience in that time?" Cuse asked. They're also planning to go back to San Diego's Comic-Con International, where the show was launched, to address May's Season 3 finale and what they had in mind.

Cuse said the mobisodes, about 90 seconds each, will give the hardcore "Lost" viewer more information that they probably weren't going to get through the show itself. What it won't be, they said, was a mini version of "Lost."

"It needs to be interesting enough and well produced enough that people feel they're getting enough bang for their buck, even if it's free, the bang for their time," Lindelof said.

Lindelof said the negotiations for the talent took a long time, but they wanted to make sure that all of them were involved in the mobisodes.

"Nobody wanted to see two people sitting on a beach that we've never heard of talking and saying, 'Hey, did you hear what Jack and Kate did today?' You want to see Jack and Kate. It's taken us three years to get those deals in place," Lindelof said.

Cuse said that being a showrunner now is much different than it was 10 years ago. "You have to be more of a brand manager," he said. He said there are 37 ancillary parts to the "Lost" brand from T-shirts to mobile phone applications to a planned video game. It led to a discussion of several missteps, including the tie-in novel "Bad Twin" that Cuse said didn't meet their bar and the introduction of two previously unseen survivors, Nikki and Paulo.

The characters came out of "Lost" viewers' questions about why the show focused only on the same 12 characters and not the "socks," the unnamed survivors who provide the background around the camp. Cuse said "socks" comes from the term "sock puppets," which the writers call the extras.

"We're like, 'Trust us, you don't care about those guys,' " Lindelof joked.

They said they realized almost immediately that adding Nikki and Paulo was a mistake, even before the viewer outcry. Many of the scenes they shot would get cut on the editing room floor, not because of the actors but because they were concerned about how they fit into the story. Lindelof said that it was a lesson for the writers to stay true to the show's vision even if the viewers don't seem to like it.

"We buried them alive," Cuse said of Nikki and Paulo. "OK, you guys don't like Nikki and Paulo, there."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 25, 2007, 11:49:37 PM
Perrineau Returns to Lost
Source: Sci-Fi Wire

Harold Perrineau, who played Michael on ABC's Lost, will be returning to the series next season, network president Stephen McPherson reluctantly admitted on July 25 to reporters.

Pressed in a news conference at the Television Critics Association's summer press tour in Beverly Hills, Calif., McPherson admitted the casting after an emergency phone call to the show's executive producer and co-creator, Damon Lindelof. The announcement will also be made July 26 at Comic-Con International in San Diego.

"We just spoke to Damon because of the fury that is going on here, and he told us we could tell you that Harold Perrineau is returning to the show," McPherson said.

Perrineau played Michael Dawson from 2004 to 2006 on the show and was last seen taking his son, Walt (Malcolm David Kelley), and heading off to parts unknown in a small boat. (It's not clear whether Kelley will also return.)

McPherson said that Lindelof will make the announcement at Comic-Con. "The show has a long history with Comic-Con, and we made the decision that the announcement should be made there," he told the disgruntled critics. The network executive agreed to give away the big secret after the reporters grumbled.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on July 27, 2007, 08:45:10 AM
Pubrick, are you there?  Thoughts on season 3 please.   
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on July 27, 2007, 10:48:53 AM
The Lost Panel at Comic-Con!
Source: ComingSoon

"Lost" co-creator/executive producer Damon Lindelof and executive producer Carlton Cuse attended the San Diego Comic-Con on Thursday. A brand-new exclusive clip of Dharma footage was shown, coyly introduced as footage discovered in a Norway vault that has been restored to be shown first to the Comic-Con crowd. The video begins with the Dharma training video spokesman introducing Station Six, or The Orchid. He explains it is not a botanical research station and apologizes for the necessity to deceive family and colleagues. Holding up a rabbit marked as number 15, there is some kind of confusion and another bunny is suddenly in a cage above. There is a quick frame with text about "loves Jacob". The spokesman screams to turn off the camera. There is a subliminal upside-down image of someone riding a bicyicle. The video starts again with a second take, and the film melts away.

Here are the highlights from the presentation:

Damon Lindelof: Thanks to the fans, we've been given an ending to the show. There will be three more seasons of 16 episodes each. We're not going to be on until February of next year, that's the bad news. But we will be running straight, no re-runs.

Carlton Cuse: Now we know for certain that there are going to be 48 episodes left. We know exactly how much time we have to fill, which is really helping us as storytellers. Three seasons of 16 episodes is also good because unlike a show like "24" that resets every year we have all this carry-forward mythology. It's a very hard show to write and keep fresh, so it gives us more time to do our work and keep the show good.

Q: The violence in season 3 was really amped up. Please tell me that in the end we're not going to find out that The Others are the good guys.

Cuse: We wanted to make the season tell a complete story, the story this season was the story of The Others, with a beginning, middle and an end. We wanted a final conflict between the groups and that involved a body count. That's just the way the story unfolded.

Lindelof: I would argue though, that were you to go back and look at season 1, that more acts of violence that our guys committed against each other than the violence committed by the others against our guys. It's just that our guys are much prettier. When Sawyer is punching you in the face, you're kind of like, "More please. You're so attractive, do you want to take your shirt off and continue the beatings. When Picket or Friendly is beating you up it's like brutal violence, not the kind of violence we subscribe to. So we promise as the show moves forward, that violence will be perpetrated by catastrophically good looking people.

Q: Where's Michael?

Cuse: Probably most of you saw this, but it was announced yesterday at the television critic's meeting that Harold Perrineau will be back on the show.

Lindelof: This was kind of a bummer for us because we got spoiled. That was an announcement we were hoping to make at the con...

Cuse: We'd planned to announce that to you guys here, but we hadn't been aware that the other event was the day before Comic-Con, so the timing wasn't really in our brains. Harold will be returning.

Lindelof: But we won't be talking about how or when.

Q: Will there be any more flash forwards?

Cuse: The answer is yes. Going forward, the show is going to feature flashbacks and flash-forwards.

Lindelof: The question becomes how forward are we going to go? If you continue to watch the show you're going to be pleasantly surprised and we'll leave it at that.

Q: Did Ben get caught in Rousseau's trap on purpose?

Cuse: He got caught by accident.

Lindelof: We will be revealing why Ben was heading across the island when he accidentally got caught.

Q: Will the story stay on the island?

Cuse: Going forward, you're going to be seeing story in the past, present and future, in all three timezones. What you saw with Kate and Jack was not the end of the show.

Lindelof: We wanted to communicate to the audience that the show has never really been about getting off the island. People have been asking us all along, 'Is there going to be an After-Lost?", to see what their lives are like once they're rescued. We've been sitting on this knowledge that there's a whole chapter of the story that takes place off the island. But we couldn't start telling that until we could say that the show was going to end, because if you'd seen the Kate & Jack story as just another episode instead of "one less" episode, you probably would have thrown up your hands and said, "they're f-ing stalling!" But in the context of moving toward the end, we're saying come with us to the end. We're not wasting time.

Harold Perrineau comes out.

Lindelof: I know I speak for everyone on the show when I say how excited I am to have Harold come back. Harold is actually the first and only actor who's ever left the show and part of a design to have them come back. It was excruciating to keep our mouths shut for a season.

Harold Perrineau: And for me. And they've had more information than I had. I'm really excited to be back in Hawaii and hanging out with friends.

Cuse: Michael's story is one of the most compelling for us on the show. Here's a character who will do anything for his son, and took some very extreme actions. In a series that deals a lot with the power of this island to be redemptive, and what characters need to do to redeem themselves, we feel that Michael's foray is going to be really compelling next season.

Lindelof: We can confirm that Harold's not coming back for a quick pop. He is coming back to the series as a regular. He has rejoined the cast. We just won't tell you when, but it will be early in the fourth season. I think the way that we're doing it is going to be fairly awesome.

Q: What questions are we NOT asking that we should be asking?

Lindelof: That's kind of the Möbius loop of questions.

Cuse: Who's in the coffin?

Lindelof: Another question I would ask is, who's on that freighter out there, and what do they want out of the island?

Cuse: The other question I would ask which we're not going to answer is, Kate and Jack obviously got off the island. Did anyone else get off the island?

Lindelof: What about those skeletons from season 1? What about those guys?

Q: There has been speculation that Libby possibly worked for Dharma, will we have a flashback with her in the future?

Cuse: It is our intention to get to her story, and we think you'll be very happy when we do finish that.

Lindelof: You're not exactly barking up the wrong tree with your speculative online questioning.

Q: Will Rousseau be getting her own flashback soon?

Cuse: Yes, we're not sure if it will be next year or the year after.

Lindelof: Some very important things will be revealed in that story. Barring unforseen circumstances you'll be seeing that story in the next season or two.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on July 30, 2007, 03:36:16 AM
Pubrick, are you there?  Thoughts on season 3 please.   

good timing, it just ended last week.

unfortunately, i had a bad experience with the season finale and i don't think i'm ready to talk about it yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on July 30, 2007, 04:16:36 PM
you're turning into sphinx.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on July 31, 2007, 07:57:17 PM
i wonder if next year's schedule will mean that new zealand and australia will get to watch with us.  i don't really know how it works, but the more the merrier. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: bonanzataz on July 31, 2007, 10:44:55 PM
so, i haven't started watching lost yet (when i move into my new apartment, my new roommates and i were all planning on starting it up), but i found this and didn't see it posted here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bTvAUVPyLI
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 08, 2007, 12:50:04 AM
Has Mars been Lost?
Source: Moviehole

Imagine being stuck on a deserted island with Veronica Mars?

Man, I’d be burying the wood required to build a boat… deep.

According to TV Guide, Kristen Bell may be in talks to join the cast of the castaways caper, “Lost”.

She would play a new character called Charlotte – who’ll potentially stay-on full time (so long as she doesn’t get busted for drink driving in Hawaii).

The character breakdown for Charlotte says:

Charlotte: Late 20s. Very attractive in a naturalistic, athletic way, her looks are only one small part of charms. Precocious, loquacious, and funny, Charlotte a very successful academic who also knows how to handle herself in the real world. On a personal level it is hard to crack the hard shell of poise and certainty around her, but when it DOES crack its like an egg; lots of repressed and pent up emotions spill out. (Starts with Episode #402 - August 29, 2007 in Hawaii). RECURRING ARC WITH A POSSIBLE OPTION FOR SERIES REGULAR FOR NEXT SEASON.

Sounds like spot-on casting, and so long as someone with a bigger name – say anyone connected to “Friends” – doesn’t come in and swoop up the gig, we might see Neptune’s spunkiest spy back on duty shortly.

Whoever they cast will be flown to Hawaii pronto – their first episode films in less than a fortnight.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 08, 2007, 01:54:52 AM
That is the best news I've heard in my life... unbelievable!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on August 08, 2007, 08:23:21 AM
wow, seriously.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on August 08, 2007, 10:41:45 AM
Yippeeeee...sorry for the giddiness but fuck it...yipeeee!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on August 08, 2007, 11:35:55 AM
(http://files.blog-city.com/files/O05/148581/p/f/kristen_bell_shape_july11_4.jpg)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 08, 2007, 11:49:04 AM
(http://files.blog-city.com/files/O05/148581/p/f/kristen_bell_shape_july11_4.jpg)

wow, suzanne somers joined the cast too??!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 11, 2007, 10:27:03 AM
Official... its NOT happening.

She rejected the offer cause she doesnt want to relocate to Hawaii. Damnit :(

It was too good to be true!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Stefen on August 12, 2007, 12:29:58 PM
lol
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 19, 2007, 02:28:07 PM
Sopranos Scene-Stealer Gets Lost!

Uncle Junior's poker buddy just hit the jackpot.

Ken Leung – whose memorable turn as Uncle Junior's mentally unstable protégé on The Sopranos last season turned many a head in Hollywood (mine included) – is joining the cast of Lost next season, sources confirm to me exclusively.

It's believed Leung will be playing the recurring role of Russell*, a brilliant mathematician who is capable of great insights and has a tremendous knowledge across various scientific fields. He's expected to first turn up in February's season premiere.

Non-Sopranos fans may know Leung from his role as Kid Omega in Brett Ratner's franchise killer, X-Men: The Last Stand.

* May not be the character's real name.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on August 19, 2007, 10:35:19 PM
Official... its NOT happening.

She rejected the offer cause she doesnt want to relocate to Hawaii. Damnit :(

It was too good to be true!


this sucks for 2 reasons. 

1. she was already in hawaii filming Forgetting Sarah Marshall

and 2. she just joined Heroes for a mulit-episode arc instead.

damnit!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on August 19, 2007, 10:48:26 PM
no it's good. i would hate for Lost to suddenly become overrated.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on August 22, 2007, 12:02:36 AM
Lost has found more new blood.

Sources confirm that The Wire's Lance Reddick has been cast in the recurring role of Arthur Stevens, the intimidating corporate recruitor character. Reddick also had a lengthy arc on HBO's Oz, where he starred opposite returning Lostie Harold Perrineau.

This comes on the heels of another key piece of Lost casting: the addition of Sopranos scene-stealer Ken Leung. However, the specifics of his character remain shrounded in mystery. Rumors had him playing a brilliant mathematician named Russell, but now there's buzz that he's coming on in a top-secret role that no one (save for Darlton) knows anything about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on August 22, 2007, 02:17:43 AM
Sopranos scene-stealer Ken Leung
augh this guy belongs in the annoying actors thread. i could totally see him on lost though.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 23, 2007, 01:10:51 AM
Exclusive! Meet Your New Lost Castmembers!
Source: E! Online
 
We're hearing that creepmaster Jeremy Davies (Saving Private Ryan) is doing eight eps of Lost this season, and one Rebecca Mader will have a major recurring role as well...perhaps as the much discussed Charlotte? More as we hear it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on August 28, 2007, 05:20:46 PM
'Lost' Scoop: Jeff Fahey Joins Cast
The star of the cult flick ''The Lawnmower Man,'' most recently seen in ''Grindhouse,'' has ''exactly the right sensibilities'' for the island, say Lindelof and Cuse
Source: EW

The new season of Lost is still over five months away (arrrrggggh!!!), but shooting on the first episode is underway, and the show's five new cast members are officially in place. Yes, we said five: Executive producers Damon Lindelof and Carlton Cuse tell EW.com that Jeff Fahey — a cult-pop fave most famous for The Lawnmower Man and most recently seen in Grindhouse — has been added to the show, joining previously announced newcomers Jeremy Davies (Saving Private Ryan), Lance Reddick (The Wire), Ken Leung (The Sopranos), and British actress Rebecca Mader (The Devil Wears Prada, Love Monkey).

The producers wouldn't comment on the character that Fahey will be playing, but said he was the first and only choice for the role. ''The Lawnmower Man and [the 1995 TV series] The Marshall are personal faves,'' says Cuse. ''And he has the most intense eyes of any guy out there, and I say that as a non-gay man.'' Adds Lindelof: ''Fahey is one of those actors who feels like he fits into the Lost model: He's enormously talented and will be vaguely recognizable to some people, but he'll be able to land on our island without most people going, 'Oh, I know who that guy is.' And especially for the part we cast him for, he has exactly the right sensibilities.''
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on September 16, 2007, 09:17:55 PM
"Lost" star Terry O'Quinn takes early Emmy

LOS ANGELES (Reuters) - "Lost" co-star Terry O'Quinn was named best supporting actor in a drama at the Emmys on Sunday, as the U.S. television industry opened an awards gala expected to shape up as a farewell bash for "The Sopranos."
 
The bald-pated actor won the award on his second nomination for his role as the heroic John Locke, who mysteriously regains use of his legs on ABC's hit castaway thriller. He edged out a field of nominees that included Michael Imperioli, who portrays a sociopathic mob lieutenant on the "Sopranos."
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on September 20, 2007, 06:00:51 PM
Lost resurrects Libby!

OK, so technically, the ABC hit isn't bringing Cynthia Watros' short-lived character back from the dead. But Lost executive producer Carlton Cuse confirms to me exclusively that the actress will be playing Hurley's dearly departed sweetheart again this season for multiple episodes, presumably in more flashbacks.

"She'll be in enough of the show for us to fill in the missing pieces of her story," says Cuse. "We could not be more pleased. Cynthia is a smart and engaging actor, and [executive producer] Damon [Lindelof] and I have some very cool parts of her story left to tell."

It's by pure chance that Emmy winner Watros was even available for the return engagement: Her fall pilot, The Rich Inner Life of Penelope Cloud, wasn't picked up, which left a spot open on her dance card.

Libby Theory: http://www.thetailsection.com/lost-theories/lost-theory-the-libby-factor.php
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on September 30, 2007, 02:42:36 PM
lost season 3 dvd - blooper reel (spoilers!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9cfWCh9evM
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on September 30, 2007, 03:24:57 PM
Michael Emerson gives me the creeps, even when he's laughing  :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 01, 2007, 01:14:39 AM
Lost Season-Four Spoilers Leaked

Producers of ABC's Lost offered SCI FI Wire a few spoilers for the upcoming fourth season and said that more questions will be answered and more flashbacks and flash-forwards likely when the show returns early next year.

Executive producer and co-creator Damon Lindelof said the fourth season will continue "to answer and ask a lot of questions." But, he added, "season four is going to be a whole new show in a lot of ways. We're really excited with what we're doing and hope that it'll offer as many surprises as the finale did."

Among the spoilers Lindelof revealed: "Michael [Harold Perrineau] is coming back. Definitely. As for Walt [Michael's young son, played by Malcolm David Kelley], we've always known Malcolm was going to grow faster than we could shoot the show. And we planned for it. Trust us. Please trust us."

The show's producers have already figured out what they will do with the mysterious character of Jacob, who was introduced at the end of season three. Picking his words carefully, executive producer Carlton Cuse said, "Yes, we do know how Jacob will be depicted. Notice the careful wording of my answer. And no, Jacob did not appear before he was met by Locke." Cuse also declined to say whether an actor had been chosen to portray the character.

Flashbacks will continue to explain the backgrounds of some of the characters, but there will also be glimpses into the future, the producers said. (In the season finale, viewers saw what appeared to be a flash-florward to Jack [Matthew Fox] and Kate [Evangeline Lilly] after they had been rescued from the island.)

The producers said that it is inevitable that the time-bending story of Lost will continue to use both looks backward and forward. "It's absolutely inevitable, not to migrate completely away from flashbacks, but at least to find a new paradigm for storytelling that changed up the nature of the show," Cuse said. "Moving forwards, you'll get a mix. Every week will hopefully be a guessing game as to not just WHO will be focused on, but WHEN we're focusing on them. Flash-forwards will be a part of season four, yes."

The reverberations of the death of Charlie Hieronymus Pace, played by Lord of the Rings's Dominic Monaghan, at the end of the last season will inevitably continue at the beginning of season four. "The reverberation of that death echoes right into the premiere of season four," Lindelof said.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on October 01, 2007, 03:12:08 PM
Only 7 years to go until the Season 4 Premiere... thanks for making me pee my pants again. I hate this fuckers.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 02, 2007, 01:28:07 AM
Lost Listens To Fans?

Producers of ABC's SF series Lost told SCI FI Wire that they are heeding the feedback from fans, some of whom have fallen away from the once-smoking-hot series.

In an exclusive Internet interview to promote the upcoming season-three DVD release on Dec. 11, executive producer Carlton Cuse said producers have made decisions on which characters to highlight based in part on fan feedback.

"People asked questions about the other characters on the beach," Cuse said. "Are we ever going to learn anything about them?" In response, the writers expanded the storylines of Nikki Fernandez and Paulo (played by Kiele Sanchez and Rodrigo Santoro). "But once we did it, people were angry that we were taking time away from our main characters and giving it to Nikki and Paulo, so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive," Cuse added.

As for the upcoming fourth season, Cuse remained coy when asked about what fan ideas they're heeding. "Yes," Cuse said. "Got any?"

The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 04, 2007, 02:30:30 AM
Lost Writers Eye The End

Producers of ABC's Lost told SCI FI Wire they know how the show will end, though the series finale won't happen until 2010. The producers even know what the final shot will look like, they said in interviews.

Co-creator and executive producer Damon Lindelof said that the writers will be working toward the end of the series over the next two years. "We always knew the ending," he said. "We just didn't know how much time to take before we got there. So, yes, it still completely fits with where we're at in the storytelling right now."

Lost will become more focused because the end is in sight, the producers added. "With 48 episodes to go, it's exciting to be working towards an endpoint we're already familiar with," Lindelof said.

During a press conference for the release of the Lost season-three DVD set on Dec. 11, executive producer Carlton Cuse said that the show will be using flash-forward scenes, but warned cryptically that "it would be wrong to think that the flash-forward you saw is the end of the series." Viewers got their first glimpse at a possible future in the third-season finale last spring.

Cuse added that he already has the final image of the series in mind. "Yes, we do know what the last image of the show is," Cuse said. "And it won't be a black screen!" he added, alluding to the controversial cut that ended HBO's The Sopranos. The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2007, 12:16:17 AM
Voice cast: 'Lost' calls for Stevens
Source: Hollywood Reporter

The mysterious Minkowski, whose voice was heard on the other side of the satellite phone found by the "Lost" gang, now has a face as Fisher Stevens has been tapped to play the role on the ABC/ABC Studios series.

Stevens will recur as Minkowski on "Lost." The character, which was referenced several times toward the end of last season, was only heard talking to Jack (Matthew Fox) on the phone and told the survivors in the third-season finale in May that they will be rescued.

In the "Lost" fan blogosphere, the name of the character has been tied to German mathematician Hermann Minkowski, whose Minkowski space -- a four-dimensional system including the three dimensions of space plus the dimension of time -- was used in Einstein's theory of special relativity.

Stevens, who recently co-directed the critically praised documentary, "Crazy Love," is repped by Fortitude and the Collective.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on October 25, 2007, 06:53:43 PM
Kiwi stuntwoman Zoe Bell's acting career is rocketing ahead with a role in the hit television series Lost.

Bell, who grew up on Waiheke Island, makes her acting debut playing herself in the Quentin Tarantino movie Death Proof, which is to open in New Zealand on November 8.

Bell said from Los Angeles yesterday that her next project was in Hawaii filming episodes of Lost, starting next week.

The series, now in its fourth season, follows a group of passengers marooned on a mysterious island after their plane crashes.

Bell described it as "a little acting role" that would involve some stunt work.

She also has two upcoming action movie projects in which she has the lead role.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on October 25, 2007, 11:59:20 PM
'Lost' actor Daniel Dae Kim arrested

Actor Daniel Dae Kim was arrested on suspicion of drunken driving early Thursday by Honolulu police — the fourth actor on ABC's "Lost" to run into trouble with the law while filming in Hawaii.

Kim, who plays Korean tough guy Jin-Soo Kwon, was taken into custody before 3 a.m. local time and released after posting bail, police said.

A telephone message left with Kim's publicist after regular business hours was not immediately returned.

Other "Lost" stars facing problems with the police in Hawaii include Michelle Rodriguez and Cynthia Watros, whose characters were killed off in 2005 after they both were arrested and pleaded guilty to drunken driving.

Rodriguez, who played Ana Lucia, was sentenced to five days in jail and $357 in fines. Watros, who played Libby on the show, had her license suspended for 90 days and paid a $312 fine.

A year ago, Adewale Akinnuoye Agbaje, the actor who played "Mr. Eko," was arrested for a traffic violation and accused of disobeying a police officer and driving without a license. The charges were dropped, but his character also was killed off.

Kim, 38, was born in Busan, South Korea, but grew up in Easton, Pa., and has a masters degree from New York University.

On the show, he portrayed a chauvinistic thug who at first was overly protective of his wife, but then began to warm up to other characters on the mysterious island where "Lost" is set.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on November 07, 2007, 05:24:51 PM
uh oh, someone asked for a raise!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on November 08, 2007, 06:09:22 PM
Strike Splits Lost Season

With the airwaves likely to be dominated by reality programming and reruns in the months ahead, Lost fans still have something to look forward to.

In the wake of Fox's decision to postpone the seventh season of 24 indefinitely, ABC has taken the opposite tack and decided to air the eight episodes of the castaway drama that were completed before the writers' strike, show runner Damon Lindelof said Wednesday.

But don't expect too much resolution before the series goes dark once again—the final episode, Lindelof said, will end in a cliffhanger that won't be resolved until the strike concludes.

"It's as much of a conclusion as, say, Ana-Lucia and Libby getting shot," Lindelof told E! Online TV columnist Kristin Dos Santos.

"An eight-episode season is an incomplete season, and I am not going to try to spin it any other way."

After wrapping up its third season in May, Lost was slated to return to the air with an uninterrupted, rerun-free 16-episode stretch, but obviously the strike has thrown a wrench into that scenario.

"I can't look the fans in the eye and tell them we're executing the original plan anymore," Lindelof said, adding that the storyline will likely have to be tweaked to accommodate the change in schedule.

The partial season is expected to kick off in February.

With the strike in its fourth day, networks now look likely to run out of fresh programming far sooner than anticipated, with most shows expected to be forced into reruns by Thanksgiving.

The networks had initially estimated that a backlog of finished scripts and completed episodes would keep most shows on the air into early 2008.

However, with many show runners refusing to cover nonwriting tasks on their series, including casting, editing and directing, production has stalled entirely on a number of prominent shows.

"When we're off the job, pretty much everything stops," Desperate Housewives creator Marc Cherry told the Los Angeles Times Wednesday.

Stars continued to turn out to show their support for the writers, with Ray Romano and the casts of shows including Ugly Betty and General Hospital taking their turns on the picket lines in L.A. Thursday. Robin Williams, David Duchovny, Julianne Moore, Tim Robbins, Roseanne Barr, Holly Hunter and David Hyde Pierce were spotted New York.

Meanwhile, speaking out in opposition of the strike Wednesday, former Disney chief Michael Eisner called the protests "insanity" and "too stupid" while warning writers they were giving up real income in the hopes of securing digital revenue that studios do not yet have.

"For a writer to give up today's money for a nonexistent piece of the future, they are misguided, they should not have gone on the strike," Eisner said at the Dow Jones/Nielsen Media and Money conference in New York. "I've seen stupid strikes, I've seen less stupid strikes, and this strike is just a stupid strike."

With no new talks between the WGA and the Alliance of Motion Picture & Television Producers on the horizon, Industry watchers now fear the strike is likely to continue well into 2008.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 06, 2007, 12:42:35 AM
Lost Deaths Necessary
Source: Sci-Fi Wire

Producers of ABC's Lost told reporters that they did a lot of soul-searching before they killed off characters at the end of the third season to pave the way for the upcoming fourth.

"This year was about the Others," co-executive producer Carlton Cuse said in a news conference. "The ending of the show we felt had to resolve the story of the Others. We promised a showdown. That showdown had profound consequences on both sides."

Damon Lindelof, the show's co-creator and producer, said the character of Charlie (Dominic Monaghan) was the hardest for him to accept. "It was incredibly hard to say goodbye to Charlie," he said. "We really felt the season needed to end with the loss of one of the major characters and began setting it up very early in the year. Charlie's sacrifice was brutal for us to write, and Dom's performance made it particularly brutal to watch. The reverberation of that death echoes right into the premiere of season four."

Less difficult to lose were Nikki Fernandez (Kiele Sanchez) and Paulo (Rodrigo Santoro), who were buried alive in the middle of the third season. They were introduced at the beginning of the third season because "people asked questions about the other characters on the beach," Cuse said. "Are we ever going to learn anything about them? So we decided to bring Nikki and Paulo out of the chorus. But once we did it, people were angry that we were taking time away from out main characters and giving it to Nikki and Paulo, so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive."

The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6, 2008. The DVD of the third season hits retailers on Dec. 11.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on December 06, 2007, 12:46:08 AM
Quote from: damon lindelof
"so we listened to the fans and decided to bury them alive."

if only they could bury Tim Kring alive..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 08, 2007, 12:39:11 AM
Lost Answers Offered
Source: SciFi Wire

The producers of Lost offered up a few answers behind the mysteries in season three and a few hints about the upcoming fourth season. The third season drops on DVD on Dec. 11.

Executive producer Carlton Cuse admitted that the people who were on the jet that crashed into the island all have to pay a price for being there. "Yes, and that price is $3.95," he kidded. "In seriousness, the show is about redemption. All the characters on this island are confronting the failures of their past and revisiting issues that go to the core of their emotional makeup."

Cuse also 'fessed up about the person in the coffin seen at the very end of season three. Was it someone we've seen before? "Yes," he said without elaboration.

Damon Lindelof, a co-creator and producer, was asked about why the expectations set up for the return of young Walt (Malcolm David Kelley) never seemed to materialize in the third season. Will he be seen again? "Oh, you'll see him again. But you're going to have to be patient. Sorry."

Fans first complained that not enough answers were revealed in the first half of the split-up season, but Cuse said, "We think the balance at the end of the season was right. We see each season of the show like a book. The answers were essential for this book of the show to feel complete."

One of the pressing questions by hardcore fans is how many days the survivors have been on the island. Lindelof said, "By the end of season three, the survivors have still been on the island for less than a hundred days ... but don't forget that you may be jumping into the future next year, so anything goes!"

The space-and-time-travel element was explained when the creators nailed down an end-time for the series. "When ABC/Disney allowed us to end the show in 48 more episodes, it was time to begin a new modality of storytelling, which includes flash-forwards," Cused said. "The show is like a mosaic. There are tiles in the present, in the past and now in the future as well. When all the tiles are in place, the story of Lost will be complete."

The third season seems to push Kate (Evangeline Lilly) and Jack (Matthew Fox) even further apart and more toward Sawyer (Josh Holloway), but the last episode muddied the waters a bit. Cuse teased, "The Jack/Kate/Sawyer triangle is something that will go on for a long time. And who says they don't have a chance?"

The creators don't think of their characters as ambiguous when it comes to good and evil, specifically Ben (Michael Emerson) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn). "We would use the word complex," Cuse said. "We are interested in exploring how good and evil can be embodied in the same characters and the struggles we all have to overcome the dark parts of our souls."

The unveiling of Jacob, the mysterious leader of the Others, didn't necessarily satisfy questions in season three. "If you felt the unveiling of Jacob provided answers, you are probably in the minority! We felt it was important to introduce Jacob as more than just a name at this point, as he will become important downstream," Cuse said. The fourth season of Lost starts Feb. 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 12, 2007, 02:03:34 PM
Season 4 trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcdfL7tejkc
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 14, 2007, 04:53:13 PM
'Lost' returns: Half empty or half full?

TV viewers will begin the new year without Jack Bauer, but they will spend at least two months with their favorite castaways.

Soon after the strike began, Fox announced it would indefinitely postpone the midseason premiere of its Emmy-winning drama “24” to protect the integrity of its time-stamped story line.

Today, ABC announced it was moving ahead with plans to air “Lost” but, in a surprise move, will do so in the "Grey's Anatomy" Thursday night time slot, beginning Jan. 31. This is the third time-slot move for "Lost" in four seasons and the first time it will not air on Wednesday nights, even though doing so means possibly cutting the season in two halves and potentially alienating more viewers. 

Both "Lost" and "24" have done better in the ratings when the networks air episodes without interruption in the scheduling. To that end, ABC, in a highly unconventional move in May, announced that “Lost,” the series that helped lift the network out of last place, would have three more seasons of 16 uninterrupted episodes each, airing from February to May each year.

The decision came after a tumultuous year for the series, after ABC aired its third season in two parts — six episodes in the fall and 16 in midseason — and the size of its audience declined by 14%. When the show returned in midseason, it picked up momentum, convincing ABC executives that Losties, as the show’s fans call themselves, prefer their show to have a straight run.

But the strike has altered those plans. Instead of shelving the series a la “24,” ABC is taking the chance of possibly having to air the series in two parts because the producers completed only eight episodes before the strike began. But giving it the slot occupied by "Grey's Anatomy," which has run out of original episodes because of the strike, could give it a boost. "Lost" will also serve as the lead-in for a new ABC drama, "Eli Stone," starring Jonny Lee Miller. 

"Lost" executive producers Carlton Cuse and Damon Lindelof could not be reached on Friday. But in an interview last month, Cuse said they both hoped the network would hold out.

“This is a very tough dilemma,” Cuse said. “The lesson last year was six episodes was an exercise in frustration. I think eight episodes would only be slightly less so. We hope that when the show airs, all 16 would air consecutively. That’s the way we’ve designed our season and that is our hope.”
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 16, 2007, 12:41:41 AM
'Lost' fans: Look out for that cliffhanger!

Okay Losties, here's what "Lost" co-creator Damon Lindelof has to say about the move to Thursday night: It's a boost for the mysterious castaways because it guarantees that they will not have to face off against the "American Idol" machine and it also protects them from going head-to-head with original episodes of "CSI" as long as the strike continues.

"I think it's awesome," Lindelof said. "If they had told us last year we were going to get the 'Grey's Anatomy' time slot, I would have been thrilled, especially since there's no new 'CSI' to go against," he said. "But the time slot is completely colored by the fact that we're still engaged in this writers strike. It's bad for the entire town. The only show you don't want to be up against in January is 'American Idol,' and there were very few time slots that would afford us to not compete with 'Idol.' It's great to not be up against 'Idol' but [it's a shame] that we're not up against 'Idol' because there's a writers strike."

"Lost" performs better in the ratings when the networks air episodes without interruption in the scheduling. Lindelof and Executive Producer Carlton Cuse designed the new season as a 16-episode arc and were hoping the strike would be resolved in time for ABC to be able to air the season without interruption. But with the end of the strike increasingly uncertain, Lindelof said Friday that ABC felt it had no choice but to go ahead.

"What I would not want to do is hold these episodes of 'Lost' indefinitely," he said. "I feel like the fans haven't seen any 'Lost' since the end of May, and I completely understand the network's decision to air these eight episodes. We certainly designed our season as 16 straight and this is not ideal by any stretch of the imagination. But we can't go on strike in one breath and then complain about the fact that the series isn't airing the way we want it to in the other. I believe in the strike and why we're on strike, so that supersedes what my preference is for the ideal way for the show to end."

Because of complaints from fans last year that the show poses more questions than it answers, the writers learned to wrap up their seasons more conclusively, Cuse said. To that end, they designed the first half of the fourth season as set-up and the second as pay-off.

“The audience just needs to be warned,” Cuse said. “There’s a very cool cliffhanger at the end of the eighth episode. But most of the major questions were designed to get answered at the second half of the season. The whole idea that we’re actually looking forward as well as looking back is something we’re very excited about as storytellers. But there is a fear that if the strike continues and we’re not able to complete the season, that people might feel a little frustrated because those eight episodes aren’t conclusive.”
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on December 18, 2007, 07:00:28 PM
S4 bigger better trailer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=irEAuBdhRN0&eurl=http://lj-toys.com/?journalid=3616053&moduleid=14159&auth_token=sessionless:1198022400:embedcontent:3616053iurl=http://img.youtube.com/vi/irEAuBdhRN0/default.jpg)

WE HAVE TO GHO BHAAAAAAACFDKJ


Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pubrick on December 19, 2007, 12:34:06 AM
alright, it goes without saying but i'm finally venting it: i can't WAIT to see this again. i'm in major LOST withdrawl.

spoilers if you havn't seen the ending of last season and plan to

that bullshit trailer reminded me how amazing kate looked in the last flashforward. and the f*ing PERFECTION of the new structure. maybe it's time i told the story of my near death season finale experience.

my dad spoiled it for me. it's a tradition that me and him hav that we watch lost together. since the beginning. i don't know anyone else who loves it as much as me. and the thing is i dont' think he even gets half the stuff that's going on cos his english isn't perfect. so in explaining some stuff it helps to clear it up in my own mind. the problem was he had taped the episode, and when i was watching it for the first time, it was his second. cut to the last episode of season 3:

the scene on the bridge, jack's in the car and he's making a phone call to someone. he's crying. he says "..ng-hey, i need to see you". his nose is runny cos of the crying, and makes him speak really nasally. THIS IS IMPORTANT. then he gets out and is about to jump and you know the rest. WELL.. at this point, i'm watching it with my old man and i'm thinking out loud as usual. "why the fuck is he crying, who's he calling?? that's quite a beard.." and then at this point we're at Ground Zero Time (GZT) that is the island. and my dad goes "it's cos of her!" referring to KATE. the implication spoils the whole thing, jack and kate did NOT know each other in the past. this was the future.

ok. dudes. as you know, the episode is structured so that we THINK the future stuff is all flashback of a period we havn't seen before, and that the person he's going to meet by the airport is his ex wife, cos she turned up at the hospital and all that. any suspicions are then confirmed in the beeeeautiful moment where kate emerges from the shadows in all her blue porcelain ghostlyness. well my dad had pretty much spoiled the whole thing from the first scene. BUT not cos he had seen the ending and figured it all out then. he thought it was revealed from the start cos when jack said "ng-hey", dad thought he said KATE.

CAN YOU BELIEVE THAT?

well anyway. the greatest possible revelation of any season finale i've ever seen in my entire life was ruined. i would never hav thought it was in the future. dad only realised later that yeah that would be STUPID for them to reveal it in the first scene since the whole episode is structured to blow your mind in the last scene.

i wish i could go back. please tell me the revelation was not as amazing as i imagine it musta been for the unspoiled. because i honestly believe there will never be a greater EVOLUTIONARY MOMENT in television as long as i live. this was the moon landing. and i missed it.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on December 19, 2007, 01:08:22 AM
season 3 end spoils

- when it went to jack sitting against the wall at the end, just then i was thinking oh my god this is the future and the brilliance was paralyzing.

...

- easily the best use of the phrase "through the looking glass" since the original.
i basked in its genius despite figuring it out before the show 'wanted' me to, but the whole ep was like a spoiler we were meant to read.

and even if you can't let yourself believe you got the rush of awesomeness there's still three more finales. one of which will be the final finale. but i think you got it. maybe not like FFWSSHWAAA but that's just a momentary thing. you clearly grasp how big it is. "we have to gho bhaaack!" is easily my favourite moment in the show for all the reasons you list/didn't miss.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 01:24:58 AM
p, you're bringing it all back for me..

first thing: watching lost with dad is a thing for me too! i once almost made a top 5 list of 'things to do with your dad' in our top 5 thread, and watching lost with dad was going to be on there (or did i make that post?)..

anyways, it was spoiled for me.  i only have myself (and my friend) to blame.  it was a stupid decision that was the culmination of a boring, uninteresting story. 

i too wonder what could've been.  i didn't get to watch it w/ my dad but i asked him what he thought about it the day after, and he didn't get it at all. i had to explain it to him! 

thoughts on season 3 in general, p?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on December 19, 2007, 07:57:08 AM
i welled up with tears during the fucking commercial. 

WE HAVE TO GO BACK.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 09:48:12 AM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on December 19, 2007, 10:05:21 AM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?

Are you talking about the guy that says, "You wanna know why we're here? I'll tell you why we're here" at the 1:06 mark? Because that's:

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6799.msg248443#msg248443
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on December 19, 2007, 10:57:48 AM
The first time I clicked on that link, it took me right to Kristen Bell's underwear. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on December 19, 2007, 12:29:20 PM
hey is that the asian doctor from knocked up in that trailer?

Are you talking about the guy that says, "You wanna know why we're here? I'll tell you why we're here" at the 1:06 mark? Because that's:

http://xixax.com/index.php?topic=6799.msg248443#msg248443

oh you know what i recognized him from?  the squid and the whale.  haha dude looks nothing like the knocked up asian dude.  i was putting ken leung's face on that doctor's body. 

looks like they got a pretty good cast together for the other others. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on December 19, 2007, 05:02:12 PM
i welled up with tears during the fucking commercial. 

WE HAVE TO GO BACK.

I got kind of drunk, just enough to be hyper emotional. And someone said paralysis earlier. It was just like that, I was crying because I was sort of drunk, and couldn't move because it was the most brilliant television I had ever witnessed.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on December 21, 2007, 03:19:48 PM
you guys might like this
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Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 04, 2008, 11:21:37 AM
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'Lost': Matthew Fox Flash Forwards to Season 4
In an extended Q&A, Dr. Jack spills secrets, talks about what went right (that amazing finale) and wrong (Nikki and Paulo) last year, and looks ahead to his movie work in ''Vantage Point'' and ''Speed Racer''
Source: Entertainment Weekly

Seven and a half months later, we're still picking brain matter off the wall. There we were, innocently watching Lost's season 3 finale on May 23, trying to figure out the direction of the flashback sequence in which Dr. Jack Shephard (Matthew Fox) had become an oxycodone addict/Grizzly Adams look-alike, when suddenly...WTF?! This is a flash-forward?! He and Kate (Evangeline Lilly) are both off the island?! Wait...now he wants to go back? This stunning episode — in which Jack led the castaways to near rescue (or not, depending on those freighter folks), and Dominic Monaghan's Charlie embraced his watery fate — represented a return to glory for ABC's acclaimed island drama, which had left critics and fans disgruntled earlier in the season. It also marked another potent acting performance by Fox, 41, who's served as a Lost leader, on screen and off, ever since Flight 815 crashed in 2004. ''I felt, and heard many other cast members say, that the show had hit a new plateau — and that Matthew in particular had gone there with it,'' says Michael Emerson, who plays Jack's eerie nemesis, Ben.

During a strike-created break from shooting season 4 — eight episodes were completed before the shutdown — we caught up with Fox (who also stars in next month's political thriller Vantage Point) near his Manhattan Beach, Calif., home. He looked back at the finale as well as the producers' decision to end Lost for good after 48 more episodes, and even offered us a peek into the future before the series returns on Jan. 31 (now on Thursdays at 9 p.m. — set those DVRs!). ''I think the show's going to be better in its last three seasons than it was in the first three,'' he notes, adding, ''There's going to be some huge mind-blowing s---.'' You heard the man: Helmets on.

ENTERTAINMENT WEEKLY: What was your first reaction to the big twist in the season finale?
MATTHEW FOX: Something like ''Holy s---!'' It really caught me off guard. I'm not sure I ever thought that people were going to get off the island.... Damon [Lindelof, who co-wrote the finale with fellow exec producer Carlton Cuse] did such an amazing job of orchestrating something that when you're looking at it for the first time it feels like a flashback, but there'd be little things that are a little odd — like why Jack seems so ridiculously messed up. You think it's in relationship to his marriage falling apart, and then boom, you go, ''Oh, my God, this is a leap forward in time. What does that mean? Why is he suicidal?'' I just think that's great.

How hard was it to keep the big twist a secret?
I was walking around with the cat-that-ate-the-canary look on my face. And when I would get questioned on it, I would say, ''I can't say anything, but, man, I can't wait for you to find out.'' Even a lot of the crew didn't know. When the scripts went out, the last scene of the episode was missing. So when we started shooting, the crew was just like, ''Oh my God!''

Did you guys shoot any decoy endings?
We didn't, for that. But that has been done, which I just recently discovered.

Do you mean for last season or this one?
This one coming up. I wasn't part of that particular scene. I thought I knew what was going on in the scene, and then found out that I didn't.

Fans have been analyzing this Jack line from the flash-forward: ''You get my father down here.... And if I'm drunker than he is, you can fire me.'' Given that his dad is dead, what was your take on that?
He was so loaded and emotionally distraught that he talks about his father as if he's still alive. I called Damon on it, and he gave me a couple stories — actual accounts of people whose very close relative [died], and in a moment of being really f---ed up, talked about them as if they did not know they were not alive. In that moment, Jack is losing track of any concept of time. I knew that there was a way to look at it and go, ''Well, that's kind of manipulative.'' But when you [realize], ''Oh, it's in the future,'' you can believe that the man — years after his father has actually passed away — says that about his father in that moment. I totally buy it.

What is Jack referring to when he says to Kate: ''I'm sick of lying. We made a mistake''?
Jack and the other people, upon getting back to the world, are not being honest with the world. They are covering up [something]. That's an agreement that they've all reached. And it's a weird, gross little bond that they have with each other. They don't see each other much, but when they see each other, it's incredibly awkward. And this lie — you can cut it with a knife amongst them.

Now that we know Jack and Kate have made it off the island, has some of the death scare been taken off them?
There's no question. People are like, ''Well, it's not going to be Jack or Kate for a while.'' We have to get from the island to that point in the future before it can become a real threat again. But it can become a threat again — and it will. When Jack Shephard goes, ''We have to go back,'' that means he's f---ing going back. And if there's 48 episodes [remaining], you know that Jack is going back on that island for a certain section of episodes. That means that he could die.

With the new flash-forward device, does the guessing game become ''Who else is getting off the island?'' instead of ''Who's dying next?''
That's the question for the first part of this year, for sure. Jack gets people off that island, [and] suddenly he and the other people are very well-known — it becomes this massive story because everybody thought that every person on this plane was lost.... Who are they? What is everybody else doing? Jack's mission was to get all of them off. It's the overriding force behind him. So, the fact that he ends up getting off and doesn't get that accomplished — I'm very curious to find out how that all goes down. And part of that is going to be part of the reason why he wanted to jump off the bridge in the future.... If I start giving you words about what I think it's really about, I'm going to be honing in on some stuff that I'm not sure I'm authorized to talk about. A truck might pull up and a bunch of dudes in suits get out and mow us down with Uzis. [Laughs] Seriously.

How soon into season 4 do we learn who was in the casket?
It hasn't been revealed yet. I'm pretty sure I know who it is, but I'm not 100 percent sure. I remember saying to Damon, ''I can play that scene without knowing.'' But I wanted to know. And I got an answer. I'm not sure that the answer that I got will end up being who's in the casket.

This season supposedly deals with time travel and other supernatural elements. Is that accurate, and, if so, are you happy with this direction?
Yes and yes. Really fascinating stuff. Last year, we find out Jack and Kate are off the island. How the f--- did that happen? And why does he want to go back? In answering those questions, you have to start addressing the bigger, epic scope of the show. In doing that, you're going to get into questions about the show that the audience is just dying to start finding out. What is this island? Where is this island? When is this island?

We'll meet some new characters from the freighter, played by Jeremy Davies, Ken Leung, Jeff Fahey, and Rebecca Mader. Obviously Michael Emerson's Ben and Elizabeth Mitchell's Juliet have been great additions to the show, yet Lost's track record with new cast members has been mixed. Why has it been difficult for new characters to join the show?
Any time people come in, they're always so excited to be a part of it. There's always a new energy coming in, like, ''Oh my God, I'm so happy to be here.'' That's always a good thing to have. It could be the other way around.... [But] it's always hard to have a total vibe on the appetite of the audience for a new character. There are moments where the show is too mind-blowing and fragmented and confusing for people to put together, and if that's the moment when they're getting new characters, maybe they get less of a shot. And not all new characters are introduced to become characters that stay. They are going to be a mechanism that is going to push a certain arc forward to its final moments.

For example, Nikki and Paulo?
Those characters didn't work for me from the very beginning. I was part of the camp that was like, ''What? Huh?'' That was one of those experiments where [the producers] were like, ''Can we suddenly introduce characters that were part of the crash victims but we've never seen them before, and have them become characters on the show?'' And the answer to that question is...no.

Many fans and critics were harsh on the show early last season. What was it like being hated a little? And did you feel any vindication with the finale?
I kind of liked that. There's something really frightening about when the bandwagon-jumping starts, when it's all the rage. That's when you're like, I don't believe that everybody that's doing this is a completely truthful Lost fan. So there's something cool about now — I know we've got 15 million people watching the show, and these people are the same 15 million that have been die-hards from Day One. Those are the ones that we're making it for. I do enjoy proving people wrong. I'm kind of contrary that way, I guess.

When the producers were pushing for a definitive end to the show, was that something you wanted too?
I was happy. Damon said it to me best once: ''It's like running a marathon and you don't know how long it is.'' If he has a story in his mind, how does he tell that story if he doesn't know how long the book is? I'm telling you, the story is going to charge and move rapidly in the next 48 episodes. One of the knocks on the show is that it hasn't moved fast enough. Part of that was because Damon felt like he didn't know when to let it go. Now he knows when to let it go.

You were able to shoot only eight of this season's 16 episodes before the strike. What was that experience like?
It's a difficult thing to go through. Very odd for everybody. The crew has to go home. We're not sure if we're going to come back and do more this [season]. The audience only getting eight would really be a bummer. But I'm optimistic.

Let's talk about your movie career. Next up, you play a secret service agent in Vantage Point. What attracted you to the role?
I was attracted to the project because of [director] Pete Travis. I'm fascinated with the concept of perspective and vantage point. It's amazing to me how 10 people can look at the same events and depending on the point of view that they're looking at it from, they can see it differently. I'm constantly trying to remind myself of perspective and how much control I have over how I perceive things...I can't really talk a lot about the role without giving away parts of the picture, but that was attractive to me as well.

In May, you play Racer X in the Wachowski Brothers' highly anticipated Speed Racer. How did that come about?
I'm a cartoon and comic book fan, and I love anime. [But] I didn't know anything about Speed Racer. I grew up without a television. So when I found out that the Wachowskis were doing Speed Racer and were interested in me for it, I immediately went on the Internet, and as soon as I saw Racer X, I was like, I think that looks like me. I kinda think I would be a good Racer X. [Laughs] So then I was like, Dammit, I'm going to win this role! I went and read for it, and then waited quite a while.... It was the project last spring that I was dying to do, and I would have been so incredibly disappointed if I didn't.

What can you say about your interpretation of Racer X?
Racer X is all about mystery. And it's all about not just disguise of suit, but it's disguise of voice — he's, like, impenetrable.... Part of the fun that I had was that I got to be a badass, and work with the most insane stunt guys. I'm proud I did it all. They didn't double me. The stunt guys were like, ''We think you can do everything. Do you want to do everything?'' ''Damn right I want to do everything. I want to do everything to the point where you think it looks like crap. That's when I need you to step in and help me out.'' [During] some of it I was just dying. I would do these fight sequences in this leather thing, and the amount of sweat was extraordinary. I was coming home ultra-dehydrated.

Is your goal to make the leap into movies full-time?
There's no question. For me, it's more about my own quality of life. It's better for me to do films because it gives me much more flexibility in my life. I love the idea of becoming all-consumed in this one thing for four months, and then it's done, and I'm just floating around going, F---, I don't know what I'm doing next. You're in that process of looking, and then you're like, Oh, this is the inevitable next thing. Then you dive into that. Also, I love to play new roles. [But] the beautiful thing about Lost is that even though I'm playing Jack Shephard, I get all these new things to do with him. It's not like playing Charlie Salinger on Party of Five. It was tough to play that same character for six years because I don't think I got to evolve that character and play new elements of him and have him be as many different things as Jack Shephard can be.

People associate beaches with relaxation and vacation. When you see a beach, what do you think about? Work?
Yeah, because I spend a lot of time on the beach working. I've never been a huge fan of beaches. I'm a fan of mountains. I grew up in the mountains. So, I've been on the beach, either here or in Hawaii, for 12 years. I'm looking forward to a future in which I'm in the mountains again. I'm [in the process of] moving north. I've never been the type of person who was going to lay out my blanket and sunbathe.

After graduating from Columbia with an economics degree, you interviewed for a job at Prudential-Bache selling stocks. Do you ever wonder if you missed your true calling?
I don't think I'm very good at selling, and I don't think I'm very good at dealing with people on the phone. [Laughs] I think I would have sucked, actually. I have a hard time not being good at things, and I don't think that's necessarily a very good thing. I can't do anything just because I love it. I can only do it because I want to be good at it. It makes for a pretty dissatisfied life in a lot of ways because you're constantly always falling short of your own expectations. But it also drives you.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Raikus on January 04, 2008, 10:45:56 PM
http://www.flyoceanicair.com/ (http://www.flyoceanicair.com/)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on January 05, 2008, 01:11:05 AM
so my wife and i had never watched the show until we started burning through the dvd's a few months ago. well, tonight was the big night...all we had left was to watch the two part finale. and what do i see laying out at the office today (seven hours before we're to watch the finale)? that fucking entertainment weekly with the big ol' season 3 finale spoiler on the cover.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pas on January 05, 2008, 08:47:35 AM
Do you like these websites like flyoceanic.com and find815.com ???


I think they are incredibly stupid and ruining. They have no relation with the feel of the show for the most part and only make the whole mystery less dignified with stupid clues and obvious stuff.

It's a fucking shame. But still I am convinced NOTHING of importance whatsoever is revealed in these shitty website and videos.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 05, 2008, 10:31:39 AM
there's no way they would reveal anything on those websites, seeing as the vast majority of people who watch the show won't visit them. It's surprising too because it seems like a lot of money went into the find815 one.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 25, 2008, 01:22:05 PM
ABC to Air Enhanced Lost Season 3 Finale
Source: ABC

Get ready for the Season Four premiere of "Lost" with a special presentation of the Season Three two-hour finale, "Through the Looking Glass," enhanced with on-screen facts and back story about one of the most talked about dramas on television.

Whether you already watched the amazing conclusion of "Lost" last season or this is your first time viewing it, the special enhanced "Lost" catches viewers up on the story of the Oceanic 815 survivors in a way you've never experienced before.

Be there for the enhanced "Lost" Season Three finale, Wednesday, January 30 at 9:00 p.m., ET/PT on ABC.

The enhanced version of "Lost" will include text on the lower third of the screen and will "let viewers in" on clues in the show, as well as give back story to catch new viewers up for Season Four.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 28, 2008, 05:41:22 PM
Some day, the TV screen will be filled with 90% text and publicity and 10% that makes for a small square where they show shows.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on January 29, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
during the christmas break i went back home to my mom's house in good old south carolina for 10 days and, not surprisingly, found myself with a lot of free couch time. i was netflixless, and i had already exhausted my mom's modest yet still pretty damn good dvd collection (11 discs in total, mostly Woody Allen and Almodovar), so when my little brother came home with the first season of lost i figured okay, here it is, a perfect opportunity to finally start watching this.

i watched season 1 in about 3 days. then i preceded to rent season 2 from blockbuster 2 discs at a time (so stupid, should've just bought the whole damn season) and then when i got back home to nyc i started netflixing season 3 and just yesterday, i finally finished the season 3 finale.

so of course i love it. the show is cinematic heroin. part of me is kicking myself for waiting so long but another part is glad i experienced it on dvd, sans commercials or repeats or having to wait months and months between seasons. i must say had a blast reading this thread as i went along. i'd watch a few episodes, then read y'all's insightful, overzealous and often hysterical commentary (the tricky part was not accidentally reading too much and spoiling myself). off the top of my head some of the greater moments were mac's adamant hatred of ana lucia (i actually ::gasp:: kind of liked her!), mod the tough critic with his "lost has lost its way" reviews only to be immediately followed the next week by a "LOST IS THE BEST THING EVER CREATED" post, the more level-headed analysis from polka and RK, p popping in every now and then, sickfins.... i must say i was pleasantly surprised to disagree w/ most of you on the lull in season 3, for i thought it was by far the best season, save that one episode w/ nikki and paulo. but i think the DVD factor definitely helped.

i guess the only buzzkill about catching up w/ a show on DVD is that it's a lonely endeavor. jumping about my apartment in complete freakout mode after seeing the season 3 finale was fun but also kind of a drag. like waiting in a ridiculously long line for a club only to finally get in and see that everyone already had the fun, drank the bar dry and left. i called my little brother and a few friends to talk about it and they took pity and entertained me for a little bit but it wasn't the same as experiencing, as picolas so eloquently said, the completely paralyzing finale with the collective lost audience. 

but anyway, the point remains, i'm now a lost junkie. and i can't wait for my next fix in two days.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 29, 2008, 04:34:21 PM
©MBBrad, Your experience basically equals mine, I just beat you for a few months, but I went through all that, including reading the whole goddamn thread and also liking Ana Lucia as a character. Also, I watcheded the finale with my brother who got me hooked on Lost in the first place, and it was great and we kind of discussed it and couldn't wait to see it again. I then saw with my younger brother again, and was delighted that he was as thrilled as I was when I saw it for the first time. He was like "hey... is that KATE? What the fuck? When does it start?".

It's just a show that keeps getting better and, well, either they fuck it up the next three seasons or it's going to be, indeed, the best thing ever created (on TV anyway)...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on January 29, 2008, 07:10:51 PM
Glad you're hooked cbrad, maybe you can give some nice, fresh, objective insight...

So one thing that I've found weird was a group of friends, who are huge fans of the show, recently qualified it as "cheesy," and when I was said wtf? they said at the very least "very melodramatic." While I guess I can understand this, the show doesn't seem to overindulge any more than any other tv drama. Every show's a bit ridiculous, I guess being on this island makes it moreso. But I haven't ever had the word cheesy or melodramatic cross my mind the entire time watching this show. Do you guys think these apply? Maybe I just don't worry about whatever conventions (manipulations?) the show utilizes as it moves forward.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 29, 2008, 07:26:43 PM
also liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 29, 2008, 07:46:27 PM
melodramatic would certainly be the word i would use.  cheesy? perhaps in some parts, but only when the show is at it's worst (i'm specifically referring to the infamous "jack's tattoo" episode.)  a show that relies so heavily on character development in order to stretch out it's storyline can't help but be melodramatic, and even thats a somewhat negative word to describe it.  every serialized drama can easily be pinned as melodramatic, but as long as it has the right scripts and the right actors it will work.  if not, it will end up like heroes, a show that relies ENTIRELY on cheesy, obvious melodramatics. 

one thing the show does to redeem itself of this is to become self referential. in the finale when rose says to jack "if you say live together, die alone, i'm gonna punch you in the mouth"(not sure of the exact line), it shows that the writers are aware of how melodramatic or "cheesy" some of the concepts can be. These elements are necessary to make such a high concept series work. when the show is over, it will be easy to describe the basic story arc to someone rather quickly.  In order to stretch the storyline out to a multi season series, it's necessary to have a large cast of characters, each with their own complicated (melodramatic) past. you never know what information is valid, and the constant guessing game is the reason the show is so fun to watch. 

it's basically a combination of a great story, mixed with the conventions of a television series. (cliffhangers, transitional audio cues to commercial breaks, etc.)  you could make a series with the same exact concept and very easily have it turn out horribly. the show as it is has teetered on the mundane, but the investment in the characters are what keep us defending it's flaws. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 29, 2008, 10:43:08 PM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 30, 2008, 07:23:28 AM
also liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:

I really think the character was interesting, and her backstory really worked for me. Plus I kind of think she's hot. I don't know why, but she has something. And she can act (maybe only in these kind of tough girl roles who would smack me against a wall and eat the pieces of the brain the came off, but still...).

the investment in the characters are what keep us defending it's flaws. 

Couldn't agree more. That's why it kind of (because I can understand) pisses me off when people say that Lost is sucking because the story doesn't evolve. It DOES evolve, but it takes some time with the characters, and that's what makes it so special.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 30, 2008, 08:41:53 AM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.

Me too and yes, it is!

And Gamblour, your friends are ridiculous if they're watching TV and expecting anything to not be melodramatic.  Are they hoping Lost will go mumblecore and just have the characters spend an entire episode talking about sand or what type of fish/fruit combination they had for dinner last night?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cron on January 30, 2008, 08:44:22 AM
I'm going to be watching Lost in HD for the first time this season.  Its gonna rock.

Me too and yes, it is!

And Gamblour, your friends are ridiculous if they're watching TV and expecting anything to not be melodramatic.

(http://xixax.com/index.php?action=dlattach;attach=1614;type=avatar)?

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on January 30, 2008, 10:07:07 AM
It's not TV.  It's HBO.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 30, 2008, 10:27:36 AM
also liking Ana Lucia as a character.

The fuck is wrong with you people?  :elitist:

I really think the character was interesting, and her backstory really worked for me. Plus I kind of think she's hot. I don't know why, but she has something. And she can act (maybe only in these kind of tough girl roles who would smack me against a wall and eat the pieces of the brain the came off, but still...).

Need I remind you?

(http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1423/1412513162_286b663936.jpg?v=0)
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on January 30, 2008, 03:44:46 PM
There's a new preview of S4 on the front page of ABC.com just in case you want to get hyped up just that little bit more before tomorrow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on January 30, 2008, 07:17:55 PM
it's stuff you've already seen with brand new text.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 30, 2008, 08:12:57 PM
wow, this "enhanced" version of the finale is nothing like i thought it would be. i wish i could disable it somehow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 31, 2008, 07:41:27 AM
I had to stop watching after 30 minutes.  They should never do that again.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on January 31, 2008, 08:12:01 AM
i missed it. what was it exactly?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on January 31, 2008, 08:32:03 AM
They had a small black bar that came up every 30 seconds to give you the backstory of what the characters were emoting on screen. It felt a tiny bit like CNN. A real pain in the ass to watch.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:13:23 AM
yeah i got through about half as well.  unfortunately the tidbits on screen were not helpful to anyone who WATCHES the show.  it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.  like

THIS IS JACK.  JACK IS NOT VERY HAPPY RIGHT NOW.  HE HAS BEEN ON THE ISLAND FOR SOME TIME.

totally vague and retarded.  i wanted to put in the dvd but i went to sleep instead.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on January 31, 2008, 09:22:27 AM
it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.

Thank you for solving that mystery.  I was trying to figure out exactly whose viewing experience they were trying to enhance because the hardcore fans already know more than this crap and anyone who's never watched the show wouldn't know what the hell was going on anyway. 

Though that still doesn't quite explain why the pop-ups were spoiling things that happen later in the episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on January 31, 2008, 09:43:52 AM
Though that still doesn't quite explain why the pop-ups were spoiling things that happen later in the episode.
because the people who stopped watching are impatient.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on January 31, 2008, 11:12:15 AM
yea that was the most annoying part. like when it flashes back(or forward, heh) to jack for the last time, the bottom of the screen says "jack is a changed man". i can see what they were trying to do, but it was pretty embarrassing. it was as if some exec at ABC had his 13 year old daughter narrate the show.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Ravi on January 31, 2008, 02:02:21 PM
yeah i got through about half as well.  unfortunately the tidbits on screen were not helpful to anyone who WATCHES the show.  it was like a catch-up for anyone who abandoned it during the 3rd season and wouldn't know what was going on.  like

THIS IS JACK.  JACK IS NOT VERY HAPPY RIGHT NOW.  HE HAS BEEN ON THE ISLAND FOR SOME TIME.

totally vague and retarded.  i wanted to put in the dvd but i went to sleep instead.

I watched about 10 minutes of it and turned it off.  I thought they would some interesting clues, production notes, etc.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 31, 2008, 02:22:44 PM
I watched about 10 minutes of it and turned it off.  I thought they would some interesting clues, production notes, etc.

Same here. I wanted interesting facts or ancedotes like they do on the fact tracks of some DVDs.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Pozer on January 31, 2008, 03:59:08 PM
what about interesting insight such as:

Ben just drew a triangle on the map.  Speaking of triangle, here we are at our love triangle with Kate, Jack and Sawyer.  Are you a Jater or a Skater?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on January 31, 2008, 04:58:35 PM
Are you a Jater or a Skater?

New xixax marquee.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on January 31, 2008, 09:14:13 PM
Just watched the new episode. I love where the show is going. Flash forwards are really livening up an element of the show that was starting to sag. I didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

Also, Jeremy Davies!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 01, 2008, 12:10:48 AM
Same as Chest. Loving the flash-forwards. They add a whole new mystery to the show.


Also...

Quote
Ana Lucia was... gorgeous.

I threw up in my mouth a little.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:14:38 AM
Fuck yeah, Jeremy Davies!

I loved how pre-bearded Jack poured himself the weakest screwdriver of all time.  Clearly, bearded Jack could teach him thing or two about drinking.

And it is interesting how the flash-forwards give the show a very different dynamic now.  Similar to "The Nine" from last year, except, you know, not boring and awful. 

"I'm one of the Oceanic 6!"   :shock:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 01, 2008, 12:26:30 AM
Still waiting for what mod is thinking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 12:44:16 AM
I'm sure he loved it.  It won't be until at least the second episode before he convinces himself that the show has lost its way.   :yabbse-wink:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: MacGuffin on February 01, 2008, 12:54:25 AM
I didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUw9o2L4oAg
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 01, 2008, 07:35:29 AM
Having watched the entire first three seasons on DVD, I don't like having to watch and wait with the masses. But it was a good episode (the shot of jiggly Hurley running to do a cannonball not withstanding), and of course the teasing in the flashforward "I'm one of the Oceanic Six," the hinting that some people are still alive hidden on the island (since the S3 finale I've been predicting that Locke remains on the island and that the last shot of the series will be Jack and Locke shaking hands on the beach and walking into the jungle), and the fact that Hurley makes such a big deal of being sorry he went with Locke - like that decision is going to have a big effect on all of them. Interesting too that Hurley can also see Jacob. But still - I want to know what the fuck is up with that giant four-toed foot!!! And I was anticipating that they would actually play a little joke on us all and have the first episode of season 4 just be all about Michael and Walt since they left the island, but obviously not. Hopefully they will get their own episode pretty soon though, rather than just turning up on the freighter once everyone else gets there. I wish I could just have the whole thing on DVD right now.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 09:42:21 AM
Great premiere!  The only thing I'm getting nervous about is that they've dug such an incredible hole that they just won't be able to get out of.  Like Sleepless mentioned with the 4-toed foot.  I know there are 47 more episodes and 40 of them haven't even been written or shot yet but is that enough to explain EVERYTHING, or are some mysteries just going to end up as bad ideas that seemed like a good idea at the time, like Nikki and Paulo?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 01, 2008, 09:46:57 AM
"I'm one of the Oceanic 6!"   :shock:

Does that mean they only rescued six? We have already seen Jack, Kate and Hurley, someone died also and I had the feeling Kate is with someone, I wonder who the other three are.

And more mysteries:

- Jack in the future is sick of lying and thought they made a mistake leaving. (already a known fact)
- Hurley from this not so distant future already thinks they made a mistake.
- Jack wanted to know if Hurley was gonna flip.


Also, Cedric Daniels!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 09:52:22 AM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 01, 2008, 09:52:35 AM
the "i'm one of the ocenic six!" line is such a clever way to add another mystery to the story...loved it. the "i'm thinking about growing a beard" line (aka "hey, audience, this happened before the other flash forward episode")...not so clever.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 01, 2008, 09:55:52 AM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.

i think there's more to it than that. if there's only six of them, a whole bunch of people must have gotten left there...i think that's what they're lying about.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 01, 2008, 10:36:17 AM
so hurley can see dead people, right?

(http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/a/a5/Cap08.jpg)

it's been a long wait and worth it. this episode was very enjoyable on all levels. i feel so sorry for claire.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 01, 2008, 12:09:52 PM
it was good but it didn't feel like a season premiere. it just sort of jumped into it with the hurley flashback. thats fine. i liked it, can't wait until next week!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 01, 2008, 12:39:21 PM
I think that Sun would have to be one of the 6 as well.  Because if not, she's dead.

And I just think that they're lying about what happened on the island, simple as that.  They probably just said, "We crash landed, some of us died, and we survived until Naomi found us."  No mention of Dharma, Hanso, the hatches, the others, or polar bears.

i think there's more to it than that. if there's only six of them, a whole bunch of people must have gotten left there...i think that's what they're lying about.
I think you're right. The VISITOR asked Hurley about the others left on the island, so clearly some suspicious people are still looking for them.

I'm also puzzled by the Oceanic Six. Jack, Kate, Hurley. I figured Sawyer only because Kate referred to going back to "him" in the S3 finale, but it appears that might not be the case. Rose and Bernard didn't go with Locke, neither did Sayeed or SunJin, I think. So how did Hurley go from being the main support behind Locke in favor of not being rescued to being rescued? And who else change their minds? And I guess all the other fuckers who have no name must have gone with Locke.

And is that Jack's dad in Jacob's house? That whole scene was just great.

I didn't feel like sitting through Eli Stone for the whatever Oceanic "announcement," so either someone fill us in or post the inevitable youtube link.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUw9o2L4oAg
That's pretty weak. I had already started thinking that Oceanic was somehow involved in the whole thing. My guess was that the VISITOR was from Oceanic.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 01, 2008, 01:14:58 PM
That's gotta be Jack's dad.

The red camero at the beginning was the same car that hit michael, kate, and locke.

There's so much talk about going back to the island now that I'm thinkin season 6 will be the return...

Has anyone seen the episode list for these 7 eps? I'm super excited for next weeks episode

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 01, 2008, 02:11:07 PM
The red camero at the beginning was the same car that hit michael, kate, and locke.

You mean it hits the same car that hit Michael, Kate, and Locke.

Michael. (http://lostpedia.com/images/2/2e/PON1.jpg)
Locke. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/2/2e/Auto-locke-deus.jpg)
Kate. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/8/89/PON2.jpg)
Hurley. (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/f/fa/4x01_hurleycrash.jpg)

And even though the thread title has a spoiler warning, we're not going to start divulging spoilers for future episodes, right?  Just the ones that aired, right?  Because I for one don't know any episode titles, no subplots, no idea which character is the focus in what episode, and I want to stay that way. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 01, 2008, 02:38:58 PM
This is probably just a minor little easter egg, but I'm pretty sure the guy with the video camera right next to where Hurley crashed the car was the same guy who was Hurley's old boss at the fried chicken place and Locke's boss at the box factory.  I could be wrong; he was only on screen for a moment, but I felt pretty sure at the time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 01, 2008, 04:58:40 PM
I think someone on here said the looooongest time ago that Jacob was Jack's dad, from when Ben and Locke first go there. Whoever that was, excellent job.

That was some scary shit when Hurley just stumbled upon Jacob's lair. I screamed. I think the other Oceanic 6 are Michael and Walt, maybe. I've been a fan of the theory that it's Michael in the casket, so it would make sense if he was one of them.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: diggler on February 01, 2008, 05:42:58 PM
i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

i still like the link between jacob and the smoke monster, as if jacob can manifest himself as the dead (jack's dad, eko's brother, maybe walt?) but perhaps that's too supernatural. i want to believe that there's a rational explanation for everything, and that all of the wild theories can be put to rest somehow.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 01, 2008, 06:49:56 PM
i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

Desmond said that he had a vision of Claire and Aaron getting into a helicopter.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 01, 2008, 09:32:08 PM
Okay, I was sooo happy to see Lance Reddick AKA Cedric Daniels in the premiere. I smiled wide when I saw him. So impressed with the new episode and if Jacob can turn into dead people, why would he appear to Hurley as Jack's dad?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 02, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
This is probably just a minor little easter egg, but I'm pretty sure the guy with the video camera right next to where Hurley crashed the car was the same guy who was Hurley's old boss at the fried chicken place and Locke's boss at the box factory.  I could be wrong; he was only on screen for a moment, but I felt pretty sure at the time.

yes, it was him:

http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/10/RandyFFfilm.jpg (http://cache.lostpedia.com/images/1/10/RandyFFfilm.jpg)

i always assumed it was claire and aaron who were part of the six, i swore i saw an image of them being lifted off in a helicopter (or did i dream that?)

i still like the link between jacob and the smoke monster, as if jacob can manifest himself as the dead (jack's dad, eko's brother, maybe walt?) but perhaps that's too supernatural. i want to believe that there's a rational explanation for everything, and that all of the wild theories can be put to rest somehow.

when matthew abbadon (http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Matthew_Abbadon) leaves after hurley calls for a nurse, he exits the door and a trail of black smoke exists behind him. so matthew could've been the smoke monster for all i know.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 02, 2008, 02:53:25 AM
LOST IS AWESOME! I WANT MORE OF IT. I'M DRUNK. CHEESEBURGERS AND VODKA DON'T MIX EXTRE,MMLY WELL.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 02, 2008, 01:15:14 PM
Still waiting for what mod is thinking.
saw Joanna Newsom with the Brooklyn Orchestra on Thursday so i didn't have a chance to watch it until this morning.

i'm SO glad to have LOST back, it terrifies me to think we're already 1/8th of the way through the season.  (next week we'll be 1/4th!)  if the writers strike were solved this week, how long would it be before we saw a new episode?  6 months?  9?  a year?  will they roll the other 8 into the 2 remaining 16 season to make them each 20.  will we get another mini-pod of 8 before the other 2 16's resume?  how are they going to do this!

if there is anything LOST excells at it's season premieres and finales, and while it's probably not quite as strong as some previous premieres i loved it anyway.  i probably spent half the show in tears (charlie!!!!!)  the beginning of the episode felt like there were a lot of dramatic strands to pickup midstream but it was thrilling to see everyone again.  the flash-forwards are an incredible device to enliven the show and the oceanic 6 is a great hook (save the cheerleader, save the world!)  something about seeing everyone AFTER they get off the island, seeing that its not a happy ending (though it may only be the middle!), its incredibly depressing (in the best way).  hurley commenting on jacks beard looking weird is a funny way to address the beards phoniness.  i can't BELIEVE jack tried to shoot locke.   :shock:  i thought the episode would include more jeremy davies since it was in all the promos but its probably better they didn't rush that stuff.  can't wait for next week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 02, 2008, 07:39:16 PM
the fact that abc.com has all three seasons up for viewing is beyond awesome
i stopped watching at the beginning of season 3 (don't ask) and had forgotten most of season 2
and my cousin had just recently gotten me back into the show in time for the 4th season premiere.
watching the episodes online for free (despite the minor commercial interruptions) is a perfect way to breed more fans.
there's no excuse to not get into the show.

that said, the end of season 3 blew my mind. and Jacob.. wow.
i have high hopes for the last three seasons.
i'm back on, and staying on this time.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 03, 2008, 10:52:26 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ponceludon on February 04, 2008, 12:16:52 AM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: pumba on February 04, 2008, 01:24:41 AM
oh snap!!!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 04, 2008, 06:56:40 AM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.

I also think that.

Anyway, I wasn't completely blown away by the premiere, but it could have been because I couldn't see the episode from start to finish (downloaded a bad file that stopped about midway through the episode and had to download another and watch from there). That said, I soooo hooked on Lost that even that can't disappoint me. Season 3 took it to a whole new level, and I'm loving being a Lost lover.

I also have the problem of having watched everything on DVD/internet, so I hope it doesn't ruin it for me having to wait a week for every new episode. I can't wait for the next...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: edison on February 04, 2008, 11:46:15 AM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.

OR the person waiting for her is someone else's SON
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 04, 2008, 01:44:45 PM
I just saw this last night because I was super busy the past few days, and fuck I cannot wait until Thursday. After waiting so many long months I did not get enough LOST for the first episode...

The only thing it disappointed me was the very beginning, as we saw the flash forward but it did not seem as unique as the other beginnings of seasons that really made you feel 'lost' (hatch and desmond, and then the others village with plane crashing down).

Anyways I'm very excited about the episode and Jacob, and Locke and the fact that Hugo was the star in many ways. The Oceanic 6 was an awesome way to give something away, create another question mark, and its also a cool name and it will generate soo much buzz.

CANT FUCKING WAIT UNTIL THURSDAY!
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 05, 2008, 03:35:58 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
I think I thought about that at one point but then forgot. In any case it's a good theory. Probably true. I guess I can see the man in the coffin being Sawyer, but after spending the last few seasons building up a likable Sawyer I don't think it'll end with him being an asshole.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 06, 2008, 07:14:51 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 06, 2008, 08:14:40 PM
Theory....
Sawyer is the one in the coffin. It seems entirely too obvious that the "he's waiting for me" would be Sawyer and it's obviously sort of a big deal who that person is. At some pont in the future Sawyer will do something selfish that will cause Kate and the other survivors to hate him, hence Kate's refusal to go to the funeral. I think Kate's love interest in the future is someone we haven't met yet.

OR the person waiting for her is her SON.
I think I thought about that at one point but then forgot. In any case it's a good theory. Probably true. I guess I can see the man in the coffin being Sawyer, but after spending the last few seasons building up a likable Sawyer I don't think it'll end with him being an asshole.

Perhaps he won't actually be an asshole but just end up misunderstood. One of those selfless acts that he can't explain to the others. I think them "building a likable Sawyer" is all the more reason that they will kill him. Also...review of new episode is up at IGN...looks like we might find out at least one or two things but nothing huge.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: abuck1220 on February 06, 2008, 09:03:24 PM
if jack's signing autographs at coffee shops and they're commonly known as the "oceanic six," there's no way ZERO people show up to one of the survivor's funeral.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Kal on February 07, 2008, 01:11:48 AM
if jack's signing autographs at coffee shops and they're commonly known as the "oceanic six," there's no way ZERO people show up to one of the survivor's funeral.

we dont know if the guy in the coffin is one of the oceanic six... or how many years in the future that happens... by then it looks like nobody remembers much about any of them... remember how fucked up jack looked then

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 07, 2008, 06:27:38 AM
I don't know if this (http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/index?pn=nickname) was already posted, but it's kind of fun.

I'm BRAINPAN
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 07, 2008, 08:38:00 AM
damnit. i'm ladybug.  :?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 07, 2008, 08:59:37 AM
:lol:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 07, 2008, 10:32:48 AM
Hawking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 07, 2008, 10:39:06 AM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: mogwai on February 07, 2008, 10:40:42 AM
STICKS
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 07, 2008, 11:01:22 AM
The first time it was Imelda, then I didn't select brunette and got Babar   :yabbse-undecided:
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 07, 2008, 12:25:56 PM
There's no "Average" or "Somewhere Imbetween" in those physical descriptions. I'm 5'10", average tan, dirty blonde/light brown hair. Totally invalidated.

But I wound up with Hawking.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 07, 2008, 03:00:28 PM
"Rinse 'N' Repeat"
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 07, 2008, 03:03:21 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: SiliasRuby on February 07, 2008, 06:44:58 PM
'So It Begins' just blew my mind..

wait who said that? was it in a promo for tonight's episode? i haven't turned my tv on all week.

http://abc.go.com/primetime/lost/missingpieces/index
that is the best missing pieces segment, hands down.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: noyes on February 07, 2008, 09:08:04 PM
"Charlotte Staples Lewis"

nice reference

crazy episode.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 07, 2008, 09:22:26 PM
So that's who that guy is.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 08, 2008, 12:05:15 AM
(talk about episode 2...)

Kurtz was the best ref. i liked that episode way more than the premiere. the LOST universe keeps expanding! i also loved how out of nowhere Locke asked about the monster. and the briefing. and the finding of the plane. and the whole mysterious dynamic right now etc etc..
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: john on February 08, 2008, 12:14:57 AM
This is good.

I'm actually a excited about the new characters. A pretty good accomplishment, especially this far into the series.

If I had any gripe, and it's a real minor one... it's that the show has a way of attempting a balancing act with it's subtlety, only to come crashing down every once and a while...

Examples:

Last episode with Jack's, "I think flash-forward Jack, but not entirely super-flash-forward Jack is totally gonna grow a beard. And, by that, I mean whatever you've seen before, as an audience, where I had a beard... TOTALLY HASN'T HAPPENED YET!"

This episode, with Locke's "I got shot right here... where my kidney was! See! I don't have a kidney anymore! Ergo, where I was shot, the bullet went clear through my body.... on account of my having no kidney! Right here! Where my kidney was!"

But, you know, that's minor... and compared to most of the shows on network television that I don't watch... I'm sure Lost is a shining example of subtlety.

Compared to most movies, even.




Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 08, 2008, 12:22:42 AM
i agree about the beard but the kidney reference was just clever. that is a clever plot point. it deserves to be trodded out and shown off. if it was mentioned before, i'd forgotten.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 08, 2008, 01:52:30 AM
THIS was the season premiere. its clear why this episode couldn't come first, they just had to deal with a few other things before this would make sense..

i thought this was a continuation of the great informative episodes we were getting at the end of last year. there wasn't any real tense drama here, but the episode did all the right things and made me really optimistic for the (half) season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: modage on February 08, 2008, 09:19:41 AM
I'm sure he loved it.  It won't be until at least the second episode before he convinces himself that the show has lost its way.   :yabbse-wink:
hahahah.  yeah, whats up episode 2?!  i think this was an hour of what should have been 10 minutes.  we saw jeremy davies arrive last episode and this episode, what has happened?  the other 3 landed too and they found the helicopter.  streeeeetched pretty thin.  i liked that they flashbacked the new characters right away to break with formula of letting everyone be mysterious forever and then explaining what the deal is.  even though we still don't know much about them, it was cool. 
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 08, 2008, 11:44:52 AM
yeah i thought it was pretty awesome. the opening scene in the submarine when they find the plane gave me chills! and i agree i love how they introduced the new characters. besides the obvious question (why are these people here and what do they want from ben) i'm also a bit confused as to what exactly each of their roles are on this trip. obviously the pilot is there to fly the helicopter (he was supposed to fly oceanic 815!!) and maybe the asian dude is there to communicate with jacob? (btw he is the one new character i already can't stand and i only pray someone drowns his ass or maybe runs him over w/ the bus). what about jeremy davies tho. he's just kind of a big pussy that doesn't really seem to possess any unique skill or anything...

i need to watch it again b/c like last week i made the mistake of watching it w/ a bunch of drunk fuckwads who wouldn't shut up.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 08, 2008, 06:20:50 PM
What was cool about this episode was that it wasn't all about bullshitting. It's like they wanted to make an honest episode for once, so there weren't many ostensible layers of secrets added. The one new thing to think about is who this man is and what/where this boat is. This might just be a crazy theory but could it be Michael having to work for Ben? I still don't think we've seen the last of him.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 08, 2008, 06:27:23 PM
I'm still adapting to the show's new dynamics, but am enjoying the hell out of this. The opnening was great, and I think Jeremy Davies is going to end up being the most important character of them all, maybe because we don't really know who or why he's there (he saw the news, he cried... why is he really there). Also a great moment when Jack said his friends were around there with guns pointed at them and Miles (and us) goes "how stupid do you think I am?"... BANG BANG... Jack turns to Miles (and us): "I dunno. What do you think?". It was a great moment, just like Locke asking about the smoke monster as if he was a crazy Lost fan :lol: (reminded me when Juliet told Sawyer about the aliens).

What about Zoe Bell being credited but only using her voice? That's kind of ironic for a stunt woman ("What did you do today, Zoe? Car chase? Explosions?" "I talked to a microphone for a whole 10 seconds"). Hope we see more from her in future episodes, because I became a fan since "Death Proof".

When does next week come?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 08, 2008, 06:27:57 PM
I still don't think we've seen the last of him.

I'm sure we haven't.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 09, 2008, 10:18:02 AM
Spoiler for eps not yet aired at all:The producers have already said that it was always planned for Michael to be absent from the whole of season 3, it was meant to be that way, but that he will return in S4. I'm anticipating one episode will be given over to just Michael and Walt and what they've been up to since they left the island.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Fernando on February 11, 2008, 01:33:55 PM
WGA: Carlton back to work on Monday.
by Santa, Lostpedia staff

WGA show-runners will report back to work Monday, according to Patric Verrone, WGA West chief, at a special press conference held today at WGA West headquarters in LA. This action is in advance of a 48-hour special membership vote to be conducted Monday and Tuesday to end the strike action. That vote is itself in advance of a 10-hour membership vote to ratify the new writers contract. But the bottom line for Lost fans, WGA negotiating board member and Lost show-runner Carlton Cuse will likely be among the show-runners returning to work tomorrow. So we'll await word from ABC's building 23 at the Disney lot tomorrow, as we assume he'll begin work reassembling the film crew and cast in Hawaii, and the post-production and writing teams with him in Los Angeles.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 11, 2008, 08:46:10 PM
Is there a chance we could even transition smoothly (i.e. no gaps after the already finished 8 episodes)?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: picolas on February 11, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
ignoring the schedules of everyone involved and getting back into the swing of things, the strike lasted for.. three months? we have a month and a half of eps left. so no.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 11, 2008, 10:41:47 PM
I also read somewhere that there may only be 13 episodes this season instead of the promised 16. Anyone know any specifics on this?
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: polkablues on February 11, 2008, 11:00:04 PM
POSSIBLE EXTREME SPOILERS, MAYBE... POLKABLUES TAKES NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR RUINING YOUR LOST EXPERIENCE IF YOU READ IT.


Of all the LOST theories floating around out there, this one is probably my favorite: http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm (http://www.timelooptheory.com/index.htm)

It's comprehensive, well thought out, and in certain aspects makes an awful lot of sense....  He also updates it with each new episode to include the new information that we learn.  Is it correct?  Maybe, maybe not, maybe in bits and pieces.  Either way, it's a fun read, and it opens up some good discussion points.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 11, 2008, 11:06:10 PM
TV Bosses Reveal What's Next (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/detail/index.jsp?uuid=b163d6b8-3327-49da-b8d8-16696cec775d)

Executive Producer Damon Lindelof Says:  "Indeed, it would appear that we are in the endgame of the strike. Personally, I couldn't be more psyched to be part of this union. Like any negotiation, some parts suck and some parts surpassed my wildest expectations for what we could accomplish, but most of all I'm left with a feeling of pride.

"As for Lost (pending the actual lifting of the strike, which we vote for on Tuesday), a game plan should begin to manifest by the end of the week. All I can say is that Carlton and I and the rest of the writers have every intention of making sure you guys get more episodes this season beyond the eight already completed. How many and how they will be aired is a conversation we'll be having with our bosses, but as soon as we've got a plan, we'll tell the fans first."

+++

there's no reason to think that there couldn't be at least a season of 12 or 13 consecutive episodes.. but really is there anything wrong with taking a few weeks off here and there so we can get all 16 during one period of time? airing the episodes consecutively is a nice idea, but it doesn't have to be that way.

if it takes 8 days to produce an episode (does it? i remember hearing that) then they should at least have four more in the can by the time the 8 we are getting now are through, right? i mean its not like they literally weren't writing during this time. its not like there was a lock on their word processors. the actual "writing" of the episodes should not be obstacle at all.

i guess there's a question of drawing less viewers if its playing in the summer? would it really matter that much? i don't know.

Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: cinemanarchist on February 12, 2008, 08:25:22 AM
Source: Aintitcool

“Lost” showrunner Carlton Cuse says the fourth season of his acclaimed sci-fi drama will be no more than 13 episodes this season, cut down from an order of 16 due to the writers’ strike expected to end today.
Eight episodes were scripted before the strike. Cuse hopes to produce five more to air this spring.

It sounds like Cuse and the rest of the “Lost” writing staff will end the fourth season at the same story point they always intended, cramming eight episodes of plot into the season’s final five installments.

“We will have to condense some stories,” Cuse tells The Hollywood Reporter.

The third episode of the fourth season airs this Thursday. Sources say all 13 fourth-season episodes could conceivably run between now and the end of the season without a break.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Chest Rockwell on February 12, 2008, 03:12:37 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: RegularKarate on February 12, 2008, 03:27:13 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

Okay, just for you
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ©brad on February 12, 2008, 04:24:55 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

not me man. breaks blow hard (didn't season 3 teach you anything?). and just think of how much more intense and economic those 5 episodes will have to be.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on February 12, 2008, 05:24:14 PM
I'd rather have 16 episodes with a break than 13 with no break.

not me man. breaks blow hard (didn't season 3 teach you anything?). and just think of how much more intense and economic those 5 episodes will have to be.

But I like it when they take their time with some of the characters...
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Sleepless on February 13, 2008, 07:55:58 AM
If they've planned out the season to be 16 episodes, then by forcing them to cut 3 of those episodes, some things are inevitably going to be lost. That doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining episodes are going to be any more intense or economical that they would have been anyway. Rather, they're going to have to cut some corners and slack on character development in order to get everyone where they want by the end of the season.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: grand theft sparrow on February 13, 2008, 02:19:33 PM
If they've planned out the season to be 16 episodes, then by forcing them to cut 3 of those episodes, some things are inevitably going to be lost. That doesn't necessarily mean that the remaining episodes are going to be any more intense or economical that they would have been anyway. Rather, they're going to have to cut some corners and slack on character development in order to get everyone where they want by the end of the season.

This is exactly my concern.  They'll do their best but it's going to feel rushed.  If they're smart, they'll try to push ABC to let them do an extra 7-8 minutes each episode so they can squeeze an extra episode's worth of time into the remaining 5. 

And hopefully, this means they'll be allowed to add a couple of episodes to seasons 5 or 6.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: JG on February 13, 2008, 02:31:31 PM
And hopefully, this means they'll be allowed to add a couple of episodes to seasons 5 or 6.

It does. (http://community.tvguide.com/blog-entry/TVGuide-Editors-Blog/Ausiello-Report/Exclusive-Ilosti-Boss/800033076)

What will happen to the three "lost" episodes? Will they roll over into next season's 16, or will they vanish forever?
Cuse: Damon and I remain committed to producing the 40 additional hours of the show that we promised. We haven't figured out exactly when we'll put those other three on, but we're not eliminating them from the show. You will get those three episodes downstream.
Title: Re: Lost (SPOILERS)
Post by: Gamblour. on February 14, 2008, 10:21:25 AM
So I'm all caught up for tonight. I think this new season is very interesting so far. Jeremy Davies is exemplary of the way the writers/creators are poking and prodding with the show's boundaries established so far. His style of acting, unfortunately this also includes Miles, play with the tension in the show, and I think it's challenging the principal actors in a good way. Davies has a sort of earnestness and compassion in his performance that will probably attract and repel the survivors, and he's not totally doing the whole scatter-minded twitchy bit, which is wonderful to see.

His character is obviously going to be very important because we have absolutely no grasp on his purpose. He has a gun but he