Fav pta character redux- ladies' choice

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AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#30
May 14, 2003, 03:46:15 PM
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Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love

and to think i just thought you were being pretentious

One man's pretension is another man's ability and willingness to understand words, sentences, and concepts.

again cut and dry, every thing else is just semantics

some people think taking a tennis ball and painting it blue and throwing it inside a hot tub, is playing basketball

its not

however somebody out there could arguee that this is their way of playing b ball

that does not make it so.

but back to your name, i respect a lot of people in the creative world and non of these people would use the name " Godardian" unless they were using it in a ironic way, like in a spinal tap-ish version of what a pretenious film snob would be like , what i mean by that , they would only use that name if they were making fun of someone who would use that name with out irony.

like i just can not see say i dunno paul thomas anderson using that name

i say him as a point of refernce being that you and me both are fond of his work

godardian

#31
May 14, 2003, 04:00:16 PM
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and to think i just thought you were being pretentious

One man's pretension is another man's ability and willingness to understand words, sentences, and concepts.

again cut and dry, every thing else is just semantics

some people think taking a tennis ball and painting it blue and throwing it inside a hot tub, is playing basketball

its not

however somebody out there could arguee that this is their way of playing b ball

that does not make it so.

but back to your name, i respect a lot of people in the creative world and non of these people would use the name " Godardian" unless they were using it in a ironic way, like in a spinal tap-ish version of what a pretenious film snob would be like , what i mean by that , they would only use that name if they were making fun of someone who would use that name with out irony.

like i just can not see say i dunno paul thomas anderson using that name

i say him as a point of refernce being that you and me both are fond of his work

Umm... you actually expect me to defend my screen name to you? I thought that was the joke. Why the fuck should I? Do you think I owe that to you, or something? Do you take my screen name that personally?

In my experience, "pretentious" is a catch-all word stupid people use to make themselves feel better. All words are subject to semantics, you know.

And I think Godard had an excellent sense of humor, personally. He was the thorn in the side of the film snobs of his day.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#32
May 14, 2003, 04:06:53 PM
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Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love
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And I think Godard had an excellent sense of humor, personally. He was the thorn in the side of the film snobs of his day.

ahh the irony, that the children of these snobs would someday name drop the fuck out of him, now i just have to sit and wait for your children to talk about me

by the way i do not care about your screen name i am just pointing out how lame it is, and as someone who finds screen names to be a good measure of what a person is like well you do the math

what does my name say, well that i do not really care much, and that it is my words that i want people to care about, not the movies i like or the bands i like . Its all about the words, and not even how i spell them, more so how i connect them

All of this of course will someday lead to me and world domination via DANCE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I SHALL take over the world someday with my love of MAMBO

bonanzataz

#33
May 14, 2003, 05:33:03 PM
Let's make Hot Puerto Rican Love!

By the way, I voted Mary Lynn. She makes me laugh, i thought she kicked. close second is linda, because she also made me laugh in a demented woe is me way.
The corpses all hang headless and limp bodies with no surprises and the blood drains down like devil's rain we'll bathe tonight I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls Demon I am and face I peel to see your skin turned inside out, 'cause gotta have you on my wall gotta have you on my wall, 'cause I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls collect the heads of little girls and put 'em on my wall hack the heads off little girls and put 'em on my wall I want your skulls I need your skulls I want your skulls I need your skulls

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#34
May 14, 2003, 05:36:20 PM
Quote from: bonanzatazLet's make Hot Puerto Rican Love!

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Thats what I'm talkin bout , now if only my town would have a Puerto rican pride parade

:: gets the mayor on the phone::

brockly

#35
May 14, 2003, 07:22:35 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Brock Landers

BTW why is Rollergirl on their. She is a character PTA intended the audience to HATE.

I have a really, really hard time believing this. I may not think Heather Graham is much of an actress, but I think Rollergirl is just as sympathetic as any of BN's other major characters...

How do you infer this? I hope it's wishful thinking ("I don't like Rollergirl, so PTA must have intended us to hate her") and not something PTA said...?

I don't think PTA ever said this, but that's the impression I got from the "on the lookout" scene, where Rollergirl is cracking that guys head open with her skates screaming "you can't ever disrespect me" as if she thinks she's a god or something. Well, I sure as hell hate her. But Im going to have to take back my comment. Ofcourse, just because I don't like her, doesn't mean I think she's a bad character.

godardian

#36
May 14, 2003, 07:36:29 PM
Quote from: Brock Landers
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BTW why is Rollergirl on their. She is a character PTA intended the audience to HATE.

I have a really, really hard time believing this. I may not think Heather Graham is much of an actress, but I think Rollergirl is just as sympathetic as any of BN's other major characters...

How do you infer this? I hope it's wishful thinking ("I don't like Rollergirl, so PTA must have intended us to hate her") and not something PTA said...?

I don't think PTA ever said this, but that's the impression I got from the "on the lookout" scene, where Rollergirl is cracking that guys head open with her skates screaming "you can't ever disrespect me" as if she thinks she's a god or something. Well, I sure as hell hate her. But Im going to have to take back my comment. Ofcourse, just because I don't like her, doesn't mean I think she's a bad character.

Yes, it was an extreme reaction... but that guy is really viciously cruel to her and torments her every single time we see him in the movie. In fact, what he's done in the limo borders on rape, when he keeps going even though he's asked and told to stop. I wouldn't go so far as to say "he had it coming"- I think PTA sees the violence at the end of the film as a tragic consequence of overinflated egos and too much money and too much drugs, part of a vicious circle- but I have to admit, I like that guy a helluva lot less than Rollergirl, and I'm guessing PTA means for him to somehow epitomize the petty, judgmental attitude in America at that time, the same moral-majority Reaganism that took Amber's son and gets Dirk gay-bashed, and Rollergirl is the only one who gets to fight back for them.

And that scene is what kept Rollergirl from being just a bimbo. It showed the rage she had going on underneath. It didn't make me hate her at all. It made me feel bad for everyone involved, and wonder why that guy had to keep trying to put her in her place every single time he saw her. I think HE hated her, but why? Because he couldn't have her? We never see her do a thing to him until she finally loses it, but he's taunting her and treating her like she's nothing- and worse- before that. Her action was too much and not really excusable, but it was totally provoked by him, and his provocations didn't seem to have any reasonable root, just that he liked to keep this girl in her place, liked to use her to feel better about himself, I guess.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#37
May 14, 2003, 07:37:53 PM
See what I mean about PTA making me feel protective of his characters?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#38
May 14, 2003, 08:19:01 PM
godardian can i now call you tanya ?

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#39
May 14, 2003, 08:25:32 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Brock Landers
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Brock Landers

BTW why is Rollergirl on their. She is a character PTA intended the audience to HATE.

judgmental attitude in America at that time, the same moral-majority Reaganism that took Amber's son .

WHAT ???????????????? She is one of my fav characters in the movie, but i do not think she should of kept her kid, and i don't think paul did eighter

julianne moore more or less said the same thing in inside the actors studio .

what makes you think she would be a good mother , her coke habit or her porn career ???? She looked at dirk like a son, yet she was the one who gave him coke . Way to go

i think amber was a beautiful soul, but she was flawed which made her all the better a character , but that does not make her a great person.

why do you think her last scene in the movie was her looking in the mirror at herself, with that sad look that says " well this is it, this is what i have made of my life"

how cliche-full of you to throw fault on the republicans all the while ignoring ones fucked up nature.

you may be protective of pta's characters , its just a shame you do not get them .

godardian

#40
May 14, 2003, 08:56:35 PM
It's hard to decide who's more fucked up, the people with problems or the petty Reaganites who would unequivocally judge them as "sick" and ruthlessly punish them out of proportion to their violations. In the movie, it's the small, petty husband, the uncaring judge, the bank teller who disguises the racism of his institution by claiming they "don't finance pornography." Reaganism's goal wasn't to help- it was to politically punish and socially browbeat those who didn't fit into their concept of "traditional" into silence/submission. Thatcher, if you're in England.

I think Amber has problems, like all of them, but it's brutally unfair that they won't even let her see her son, using him as a moral judgment, punishing her (not to mention the kid, who might like some occasional supervised visitation with his own mother, regardless of her problems).

If "getting" Anderson's characters means seeing them as unworthy or sick somehow, judging them because I'm supposedly morally superior, I'm glad I don't. My interpretation is that the characters PTA shows us are supposed not to be that fundamentally different from you or me or anyone. They have the same basic human needs, but their lives have not worked out in ways that let them fulfill those needs in the traditional ways. They get hurt more that way- the world isn't kind to people who don't go about things the "right" (wing) way- but they're trying, and our hearts are with them.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

godardian

#41
May 14, 2003, 09:04:07 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love

why do you think her last scene in the movie was her looking in the mirror at herself, with that sad look that says " well this is it, this is what i have made of my life"


That is a beautiful scene, but it would destroy the beauty of it for me to be simplistic and say, "Oh, she sees how bad and wrong she was." I like to think she's having a moment of contemplation and maybe regret for some of the choices she's made. But I think we've already seen, with her second career, how she's taking a small step out of that. How she's allowed to learn from her destructive choices and try to make better ones. That she didn't need to be punished by her vindictive ex-husband and the state. Maybe she's looking into that mirror and missing her kid. I think it's a beautiful moment because it's such a simple image, yet it's loaded with interpretive possibilities. It resonates.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#42
May 14, 2003, 09:11:16 PM
you didnt answer my question

would amber be a good mom ?

the more you talk about that film the less you understand it

what the fuck does race have to do with buck at the bank ????

it was a little more complex then that, i am sure if the banker was a radiohead lovin bull dyke she may of turned him down flat also, for her reasons.

the republican banker looks at porn as amoral, so he shoots it down
the bull dyke, thinks porn degrades woman so she shoots it down

however their is also a yin and yang factor

the republican banker may see that their is lrage amounts of money to be made by porn so he kiss's up to buck to get in good
or the ugly fat gross bulldyke , gives buck the loan in hopes of getting to meet rollergirl

see life is not always black and white, even if all of your cliche filled opinions are.

I think PTA Created a much deeper film then the one you are short changing with your opinions

godardian

#43
May 14, 2003, 09:13:55 PM
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Loveyou didnt answer my question

would amber be a good mom ?

I think she could be allowed to see her kid.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

AlguienEstolamiPantalones

#44
May 14, 2003, 09:14:45 PM
Quote from: godardian
Quote from: Hot Puerto Rican Love

why do you think her last scene in the movie was her looking in the mirror at herself, with that sad look that says " well this is it, this is what i have made of my life"


That is a beautiful scene, but it would destroy the beauty of it for me to be simplistic and say, "Oh, she sees how bad and wrong she was." I like to think she's having a moment of contemplation and maybe regret for some of the choices she's made. But I think we've already seen, with her second career, how she's taking a small step out of that. How she's allowed to learn from her destructive choices and try to make better ones. That she didn't need to be punished by her vindictive ex-husband and the state. Maybe she's looking into that mirror and missing her kid. I think it's a beautiful moment because it's such a simple image, yet it's loaded with interpretive possibilities. It resonates.

again you missed the fucking point, why did pta save that for last and not the scene where she is directing.

because that scene says as much as some things change some things will always be the same.

i think he was pretty fucking clear with that shot, it was him saying

its not all fun and games, its actually a pretty fucking sad way to live a life
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