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The Director's Chair => Quentin Tarantino => Topic started by: Satcho9 on January 19, 2003, 10:18:06 PM

Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Satcho9 on January 19, 2003, 10:18:06 PM
I have read the script and I have to say I enjoyed it very much. But from what I hear, Quentin has changed the script around alot so hopefully I will be surprised. The trailer looks different from what I expected. But I can not wait to see the House of Blue Leaves scene and some others as well. I have a feeling the reaction to this is going to be very mixed. Somehow I dont feel critics will like this, yet the fans will get a kick.

BTW-Uma looked really good at the golden globes. Its probably the "intense" training.
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Post by: jtm on January 20, 2003, 02:31:05 AM
I actually wasn't that crazy about the trailer,  looked like a John Woo movie or something.  I still have high hopes thought....after all, Pulp Fiction was the movie that made me look at film different.
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 20, 2003, 09:48:01 AM
Quote from: jtmI actually wasn't that crazy about the trailer,  looked like a John Woo movie or something.

If it looked like a John Woo movie, Uma would have a gun in each hand and doves or pidgeons flying around in slow motion.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Satcho9 on January 20, 2003, 03:59:35 PM
Fucking pidgeons!
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 20, 2003, 07:05:35 PM
Tarantino's ''Kill Bill'' blows deadlines, budget. The thriller, starring Uma Thurman, will miss this year's Cannes fest

Bill may have finally died on the 135th day of shooting of Quentin Tarantino's ''Kill Bill,'' but the thriller starring Uma Thurman as a trained assassin looking for revenge on her former colleagues -- which was supposed to have wrapped sometime in October -- still isn't finished. After Miramax gave the director a drop-dead completion date of Dec. 25, Tarantino scaled down a climactic beach fight between Thurman and David Carradine and wrapped principal photography. But with a grab bag of minor scenes and pickup shots left, the production -- which has already landed in Beijing, Tokyo, and swaths of Southern California -- will head down to Mexico for finishing touches in late January.

Needless to say, its once-planned debut at this May's Cannes film festival (where Tarantino famously took the world film community by storm with ''Pulp Fiction'') is now out of the question. ''When we started, like, going over, executives were saying 'Do we have a runaway train on our hands?''' says Tarantino. ''When I heard that, I got mad, because [the budget overruns] are just a bureaucratic curlicue. I'll worry when I get a call from Harvey Weinstein. And he called me in China after seeing the dailies and said, 'Quentin, just make your movie.'''

Even with the extended shoot, exotic locations, and staggering amount of film (the director has shot more than 700,000 feet), Tarantino says he's only $11 million over his $39 million budget. ''No one can believe it. They think we're lying,'' he says. ''Oliver Stone and Kathleen Kennedy [friends of the director of photography, Bob Richardson] were saying 'How?' My answer is, 'Well, try to make it for 39!'''
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Post by: Duck Sauce on January 20, 2003, 08:12:53 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinTarantino scaled down a climactic beach fight between Thurman and David Carradine and wrapped principal photography.

That sucks, how much was it scaled down?
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Post by: Satcho9 on January 20, 2003, 10:34:17 PM
Where is that article from? Well, everytime we hear something new about this I grow more and more wary.
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Post by: MacGuffin on January 20, 2003, 10:35:55 PM
Book is up for preorder @ Amazon:

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Picture of Bill and The Bride.

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Post by: ©brad on January 24, 2003, 07:10:38 AM
Wow, $39 mill is a rather modest budget these days.

Tarantino on the fight scenes in Kill Bill-

"Apparently there's one scene — which Tarantino explains thusly: "either it would be the greatest thing anyone's ever seen as far as this shit's concerned, or I would hit my head on the ceiling of my talent" — in which Uma Thurman's character hacks up a total of 76 attackers. The scene called for 100 gallons of fake blood. Tarantino also said, "I want it to be to kung fu fights what the Apocalypse Now 'Ride of the Valkyries' scene was to battle scenes." (Empire Online)
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Post by: Cecil on January 24, 2003, 11:22:31 AM
this article says that tarantino is 11 million over budget

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,406623%7E1%7E0%7Etarantinoskillbillblows,00.html
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Post by: Duck Sauce on January 24, 2003, 11:38:13 AM
Quote from: cecil b. dementedthis article says that tarantino is 11 million over budget

http://www.ew.com/ew/report/0,6115,406623%7E1%7E0%7Etarantinoskillbillblows,00.html

And heres to $11 million more....
Cant wait
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Post by: xerxes on January 25, 2003, 01:21:26 AM
i know there was a thread about this on the old board, but is the script still online somewhere, and if so, where might i find it...

...some help mac
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Post by: sphinx on January 25, 2003, 01:27:37 AM
http://www.bol.ucla.edu/~alexward/script.htm

remember that it's a very early draft, and there have been quite a few changes made.
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Post by: xerxes on January 25, 2003, 01:31:30 AM
thanks for the help sphinx
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Post by: sphinx on January 25, 2003, 01:32:49 AM
cheeeeeers

fun kill bill trivia:

During filming, the actors would often provide a "Hello, Sally!" take.  This involved the actor finishing his or her take, turning to face the camera, and yelling "Hello, Sally!".  Whether or not editor Sally Menke actually appreciates this has yet to be reported.

It's been rumored that Bill delivers a very traditional Tarantino style monologue about Superman at some point in the film.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on January 25, 2003, 02:42:59 AM
Quote from: xerxesi know there was a thread about this on the old board, but is the script still online somewhere, and if so, where might i find it...

...some help mac

Does reading a script like this potentially hurt the movie watching experience?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: xerxes on January 25, 2003, 03:10:51 AM
i don't usually read a script before seeing the movie, and i actually don't plan on reading this one either... just wanted to check out a couple things

...it would hurt the suprise of seeing a movie for the first time, which is something that no one should mess with
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Post by: jtm on January 26, 2003, 01:08:26 AM
i sometimes read a script for a movie that i think will be good.  just so i can imagine it in my head how i might do things and then see what someone else did. its been very helpful to me experience wise.
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Post by: Newtron on January 26, 2003, 04:44:11 AM
Sometimes I cut myself to see how much it bleeds.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on January 26, 2003, 12:27:41 PM
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Post by: Pedro on January 27, 2003, 06:17:54 PM
I've already read the script...I don't think it ruins anything.  If anything it made my excitement and anticipation for the film even higher.  Tarantino's script is very detailed visually and he somehow has the same mind as me, because the images in the trailer almost perfectly matched my mind's.  Plus, it will be fun to see how much the movie changes in it's transformation from script to screen.

come.to/killbill
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Post by: Cecil on January 29, 2003, 10:34:53 AM
this article by mtv

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1459670/20030124/index.jhtml?headlines=true

claims an october 10th release date
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Post by: MacGuffin on February 18, 2003, 09:11:58 AM
Vivica A. Fox Talks Tarantino's Kill Bill

Vivica A. Fox tells columnists Marilyn Beck & Stacey Jenel Smith that Quentin Tarantino's Deadly Vipers in his upcoming Kill Bill should not be confused with Charlie's Angels.

Fox co-stars in the film with Uma Thurman, Daryl Hannah, David Carradine and Lucy Liu, who's in both movies. She declares, "Ours isn't campy. This film is very dark, very raw and very Tarantino. The only similarity it has to 'Charlie's Angels' is they both have chicks kicking ass, but that's where it stops."

Fox, who underwent heavy martial arts training for more than seven months in the United States and Beijing for the flick, is hoping that "Quentin's movie gets critical acclaim. The script was great, the shoot was great."
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Post by: ©brad on February 18, 2003, 01:21:29 PM
okie dokie, sounds good to me. I think Vivica A. Fox is a babe.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on February 18, 2003, 01:34:19 PM
Whoever this is is a babe, too.  jtm?

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Too bad we can't see her face.
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Post by: jtm on February 19, 2003, 01:17:17 AM
Quote from: PawbloeWhoever this is is a babe, too.  jtm?



Too bad we can't see her face.

wanna see more?

http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?t=511
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Post by: Raikus on February 19, 2003, 10:05:19 AM
Fake poster from Japan:

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Post by: MacGuffin on February 24, 2003, 12:46:24 PM
Kill Bill to be Split Into Two Films?

Columnists Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith spoke to actor David Carradine about Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill. Carradine says there might be plans to make it into a double feature.

"Shooting has been going on so long -- with Quentin continuing to write scenes -- that plans are afoot to turn 'Kill Bill' into two 90-minute features that would be released within five weeks of each other," he says. "The first film would end with a cliffhanger, so that everyone would want to see the second half."

Carradine adds that if these plans go through he would have to come back for more filming. "I was called back in January to do an additional scene Tarantino had written, and was back again twice in February. Dividing 'Kill Bill' into two films would mean my returning to the cameras again for some connective tissue."
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Post by: ©brad on February 24, 2003, 01:01:34 PM
Holy smokes, that's news.
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Post by: Cecil on February 24, 2003, 01:04:44 PM
its cool that we wouldnt have to wait 1 or 3 years between each part.

i hope the dvd will include both.
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Post by: ©brad on February 24, 2003, 01:14:56 PM
Yeah but it looks like a sneak studio ploy to make more $$, a fucking cliffhanger to another movie?? Like Melrose Place style, at the end of part 1 you see "scenes from the 5th movie by Quentin Tarantino"

I expected the film to be long. Both Pulp and Jackie are 2&1/2 hours+.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on February 24, 2003, 01:22:16 PM
I dont like this idea really. I just want one movie and then T to move onto his next movie. More diversity. I wont complain if it happens, Id just rather it be KILL BILL and not KILL BILL I and KILL BILL II. (I know they arent sequels)
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on February 24, 2003, 06:17:51 PM
The thing is, this still will be one movie. With this idea, Tarantino is able to show more of what he really wanted to show. I'm sure after both are released to dvd and 10 years have gone by, it will be seen as one movie by everyone. Just with this, Tarantino is able to make the film he wants to make. *Thinks about Apocalypse Now and its history and starts to reconsider it necessarily being a good thing*

~rougerum
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Post by: sphinx on February 24, 2003, 09:19:27 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinKill Bill to be Split Into Two Films?

Columnists Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith spoke to actor David Carradine about Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill. Carradine says there might be plans to make it into a double feature.

"Shooting has been going on so long -- with Quentin continuing to write scenes -- that plans are afoot to turn 'Kill Bill' into two 90-minute features that would be released within five weeks of each other," he says. "The first film would end with a cliffhanger, so that everyone would want to see the second half."

Carradine adds that if these plans go through he would have to come back for more filming. "I was called back in January to do an additional scene Tarantino had written, and was back again twice in February. Dividing 'Kill Bill' into two films would mean my returning to the cameras again for some connective tissue."

the core of the idea is stupid, personally: it'll only buy tarantino a maximum of five more weeks, and will probably give him even more work to do.  but if the length exceeds 3 and a half hours, i suppose he'll be forced to do it or something.
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Post by: bonanzataz on February 24, 2003, 10:11:26 PM
Quote from: cecil b. dementedi hope the dvd will include both.

Oh Cecil!
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Post by: Cecil on February 24, 2003, 10:20:49 PM
hey i wouldnt be surprised if they sell part 1 seperately from part 2. well have to pay 2 times to see it in theatres anyway.
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Post by: bonanzataz on February 24, 2003, 10:24:45 PM
Oh Cecil!

That's just my funny way of saying... "you're such a crazy mother fucker, but I love ya in a loosely heterosexual way!"
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Post by: Cecil on February 24, 2003, 10:38:35 PM
loosely... i hear ya  8)
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Post by: Duck Sauce on February 25, 2003, 12:09:24 AM
I thought about it, and it does seem like an alright idea from a cinephile stand point. I get to see more of a movie. They just better hope this thing is good.
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Post by: Ghostboy on February 25, 2003, 01:27:54 AM
I kinda like this idea, kind don't...it's a cute homage of sorts to Saturday afternoon serials, but I'd still rather see the movie in one sitting, however long it may be.

Not that it's going to happen, since AICN already debunked this one. I'll trust that, since Harry is pretty tight with Tarantino.
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Post by: Pwaybloe on February 25, 2003, 09:22:40 AM
Quote from: GhostboyNot that it's going to happen, since AICN already debunked this one. I'll trust that, since Harry is pretty tight with Tarantino.

Why in the world is that hog so popular with Hollywood?  If I was his buddy, the first time he came over I would lock up my refrigerator so he wouldn't stay long.
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Post by: Raikus on March 06, 2003, 09:52:47 AM
Check out this cool Kill Bill site for Japan.

http://www.killbill.jp/

(hint: type in "killbill" to get an interesting tagline trailer)

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Post by: ©brad on March 06, 2003, 10:32:32 AM
that fourth film by qt shit is really starting to make me cringe. what a big fucking head that man has. I guess all directors do though...
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Post by: Raikus on March 06, 2003, 10:52:47 AM
Quotewhat a big fucking head that man has. I guess all directors do though...

At least on Tarantino it's genetic.
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Post by: Cecil on March 06, 2003, 09:24:01 PM
Quote from: cbrad4dthat fourth film by qt shit is really starting to make me cringe. what a big fucking head that man has. I guess all directors do though...

i think its suppose to kinda mean "FINALLY the 4th film by qt"
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Post by: ©brad on March 07, 2003, 05:54:18 AM
yeah but should he be proud of that? only making 4 movies in almost 10 years if he is god's gift to 'cool cinema' as he claims to be?
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Post by: Cecil on March 07, 2003, 11:45:28 AM
yeah it does suck that he takes his sweet ass time. but he says that he wants to have fun making films and only makes films when itll be fun to make them (being how he doesnt need to actually make a living anymore).

if he shoots glorious bastards right after this it would be cool.
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Post by: jmj on March 07, 2003, 01:54:50 PM
Quote from: PawbloeWhy in the world is that hog so popular with Hollywood?  If I was his buddy, the first time he came over I would lock up my refrigerator so he wouldn't stay long.

I understand if you don't think he deserves his insider status based on some principle but why you gotta be such a dick about him being fat.  What the fuck does that have to do with ANYTHING?
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Post by: Travis Bickle on March 09, 2003, 12:56:28 PM
chill dood. it was funny.
but i wouldn't go so far as to call the brotha fat. He's got a weight problem. what's the nigga gonna do, he's samoan.
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Post by: ©brad on March 10, 2003, 05:18:51 AM
i dunno about him being fat, but he sure is getting pretty bald.
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Post by: Ernie on March 12, 2003, 05:25:31 PM
Harry Knowles fucking sucks, not because he's fat...just because he's arrogant and self obsessed.

Quentin rules though, Kill Bill looks damn cool. I can't say I'm looking forward to it as much as I was looking forward to PDL this time last year but I think it looks cool. I just realized this is the first time I've ever been looking forward to seeing a Quentin Tarantino movie in theatres.
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Post by: Pedro on March 12, 2003, 08:14:50 PM
Sometimes I get the feeling that Quentin Tarantino is a genius of film and nothing else.  Like he's a complete idiot in all things except for film.  Actually, I did read and/or hear somewhere that he was a hell-raising asshole kid who payed no attention to school at all....I dunno...he doesn't seem too smart, and doesn't seem to be the nicest guy.  But as a filmmaker he is fucking great.  I love his stuff.
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Post by: MacGuffin on March 26, 2003, 04:52:13 AM
Seems like legendary movie score composer Ennio Morricone is contributing music to the score of Kill Bill. What a mix: RZA, Lars Ullrich and Ennio Morricone. Morricone's music will be used for the Spaghetti Western stand-off scenes in Kill Bill.

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Kill Bill to Include Animated Sequences

Production I.G. has announced it will produce anime work for Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill, starring Uma Thurman and set for release in October.

"We would like to announce that Production I.G is currently in production for Quentin Tarentino's next film entitled, "Kill Bill." Production I.G will be animating several sequences for the upcoming live-action film," says the company.

"We are very excited about this project and hope you enjoy it when it is released".
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 26, 2003, 10:47:12 AM
I hope the animation is just during the credits. That was something I didnt much care for in Run Lola Run
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Post by: bonanzataz on March 26, 2003, 02:28:34 PM
that would be fun though to see a still frame of uma thurman kicking in the air, slowly getting closer, with the flashing background making it look like she's moving ultra fast. I don't know. I'd get a kick out of it.
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Post by: Cecil on March 26, 2003, 06:48:50 PM
Quote from: Duck SauceI hope the animation is just during the credits. That was something I didnt much care for in Run Lola Run

i think its in the movie, to explain bills backstory. thats what i read, but that was a long time ago when qt was just considering having some manga added in.
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Post by: Pubrick on March 26, 2003, 08:55:49 PM
Quote from: Duck SauceI hope the animation is just during the credits. That was something I didnt much care for in Run Lola Run
i'm pretty sure u hav consistently astounded me with bad taste and ignorance for almost a year.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 26, 2003, 09:08:01 PM
Quote from: P
i'm pretty sure u hav consistently astounded me with bad taste and ignorance for almost a year.

Make up your mind. You have lost your edge.

And about my statement, now that I have thought about it, I shouldnt really say that seeing as how I have no idea how the movie is being done. Its like hearing "He Needs Me" is in PDL without seeing it.
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Post by: ©brad on March 27, 2003, 06:02:13 AM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
Quote from: P
i'm pretty sure u hav consistently astounded me with bad taste and ignorance for almost a year.

Make up your mind. You have lost your edge.


duck I'd start runnin if I was u, don't know how long I can hold p back.

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Post by: Ghostboy on March 27, 2003, 10:39:02 AM
If I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure the script specified one or two sequences that would turn into anime style action.
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Post by: Duck Sauce on March 27, 2003, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: GhostboyIf I recall correctly, I'm pretty sure the script specified one or two sequences that would turn into anime style action.

Is it intercut with real footage?
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Post by: cine on April 07, 2003, 12:06:28 AM
I can't wait for QT's "Kill Bill".. normal filmgoers are going to see this and very likely be blown away. and when they deconstruct it, they'll see a film that tips its hat to anime, Bruce Lee, and Spaghetti Westerns (among other things of course)... what an astonishing feat.
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Post by: Ernie on April 09, 2003, 05:27:19 PM
Quote from: P
Quote from: Duck SauceI hope the animation is just during the credits. That was something I didnt much care for in Run Lola Run
i'm pretty sure u hav consistently astounded me with bad taste and ignorance for almost a year.

Be astounded again...anime sucks dick, it could ruin this potentially very cool film. God forbid it's in anymore than the opening credits.

(I agee with Duck Sauce).
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Post by: Ghostboy on April 09, 2003, 06:23:24 PM
Well, hate to disappoint you guys, but in answer to the query above its interspersed with other footage throughout the movie, at least in the screenplay (which admittedly was a somewhat earlier draft). I think if you naysayers had actually read the script, you'd think it's cool. The whole movie is such hodge podge of Asian and American cinema genres that animation is actually quite appropriate. The whole movie is very cartoon-like anyway.
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Post by: Cecil on April 09, 2003, 07:23:36 PM
anime is cool
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Post by: Sleuth on April 09, 2003, 07:34:40 PM
I don't understand any sort of dislike toward anime.  There's all different kinds, and it's a very large generalization to say you hate it.  Bu the way, for those of you that don't know, the best anime will not be found on Cartoon Network; judging anime by that is like judging all movies by only box office smashes
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Post by: cowboykurtis on April 09, 2003, 08:14:24 PM
i think the whole throw back to kung fu films and blaxploitation film has lost its novelty. i love tarantino but i wish hed do something new. this seems to be a parody of himself -- all that i can hope for is an entertaining action film -- there is nothing wrong with action films, i like action films -- i just expected more from him after being so quiete for so many years. i may be eating my words once the film comes out, but, if the trailer is any indication of the actual film its going to be a let down.
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Post by: RegularKarate on April 09, 2003, 08:30:33 PM
Quote from: ebeaman69
(I agee with Duck Sauce).

Far from surprising
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on April 09, 2003, 08:59:40 PM
The anime debate is getting dumb. To the people that simply dismiss it as nothing worth while, then shame on you for missing out on movies like "Grave of the Fireflies" and "Spirited Away". Anime is like any genre that at levels can be astonishing feats of masterful work but on its lowest levels, can be terrible. I think people should put trust in QT here that he will be doing fine with his inclusion of anime in the movie even if in two scenes. It reminds me of what someone must have thought when they heard that in Godard's Band of Outsiders there was going to be a dance sequence. They could have been, "Ah the musicals fucking suck! Godard has lost his mind!" Of course the final result was magnificent and fitting for Godard and also for the sense he had so much freedom in associating different elements in his movies. Trust QT and believe that he is not a fan of Dragonball Z.

~rougerum
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Post by: markums2k on May 20, 2003, 01:00:28 PM
Damn you, MacGuffin, for making me scroll horizontally.  You wouldn't believe how big that picture is on this crappy monitor.  :-D

Anyways, the Anime thing.  While I'm a fan of Anime, I keep thinking: Natural Born Killers.  Which sucked.  Really bad.  Especially the animation stuff.  It just stops feeling like a movie and more like a confused, aimless piece of shit when you mix things up too much.
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Post by: Keener on May 20, 2003, 01:47:59 PM
Quote from: markums2kNatural Born Killers.  Which sucked.  Really bad.  Especially the animation stuff.  It just stops feeling like a movie and more like a confused, aimless piece of shit when you mix things up too much.

How many times have you seen Natural Born Killers. If once, you should watch it again. It's much better the second time around.
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Post by: ©brad on May 20, 2003, 03:19:13 PM
hey i got a question for ya thats off the anime subject, as interesting as that is. ( :sleeping: ) So the Kill Bill trailer is playing before the matrix along with many others from many different studios. how does this work? does miramax have to pay money to WB to get Kill Bill in front of the Matrix? Are there only a certain number of trailer spots available for a given film?
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Post by: markums2k on May 20, 2003, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: cbrad4dhey i got a question for ya thats off the anime subject, as interesting as that is. ( :sleeping: ) So the Kill Bill trailer is playing before the matrix along with many others from many different studios. how does this work? does miramax have to pay money to WB to get Kill Bill in front of the Matrix? Are there only a certain number of trailer spots available for a given film?

Uh, I certainly didn't see any Kill Bill trailers when I saw Reloaded.  And hey, if you don't like Anime, what the hell are you doing in the Anime thread-- oh wait...  :roll:

Quote from: KeenerHow many times have you seen Natural Born Killers. If once, you should watch it again.

Keener, you are correct; only once.  I will see it again.  Based on your sole recommendation.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Keener on May 20, 2003, 04:45:00 PM
I really didn't like NBK the first time I saw it but the second time it was a little clearer. It's really a fabulous film. You just have to get used to it's form of story telling.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on June 05, 2003, 03:45:20 PM
this blurb is from Dark Horizons.  pretty exciting.

Kill Bill: Every now an then a star will say a quote which makes you go 'Wooooh', well Lucy Liu did that just the other day to press in Beijing about the new Tarantino movie: "It's so violent. People will leave the movie theatre or get sick in the movie theatre. But there's so much violence that it becomes not numbing, but almost comedic. There's a scene where there's so much violence that the color of the film goes into black and white, so that the blood looks like oil. It's cinematic, it's art. You can take it to a different level, and show what violence is, in such a heightened manner that you don't think of it as violence anymore, you think of it as a language. If you go to Kill Bill, you know there's going to be violence - that's your option".
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on June 05, 2003, 04:40:21 PM
im numb with anticipation.
Title: I'm still not sure
Post by: pixelnixel on June 05, 2003, 05:25:27 PM
I'm still not sure I'm going to like KillBill, but that doesn't mean I'm NOT going to see it.
Is there so much blood that I'll need to bring plastic to cover my body, kind of like- Gallager ape sh*t shows?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pedro on June 06, 2003, 03:14:44 AM
When reading the script i kept asking myself: How will this get an R-Rating?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: polkablues on June 24, 2003, 02:04:19 PM
There's a "Kill Bill" trailer on the "Equilibrium" DVD, for those who are interested in renting a pretty decent movie that got buried in its theatrical release.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Sleuth on June 24, 2003, 02:05:26 PM
I thought Equilibrium was pretty damn good, I'll probably see it again now that I know it has a KB trailer
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 11, 2003, 07:24:05 PM
from EW...
Put it this way: Anyone who is excited about Quentin Tarantinos new movie today may be able to double that excitement tomorrow. According to sources close to the production, Miramax chief Harvey Weinstein screened sequences of the long-gestating kung-fu revenge flick last week. Given the 197 page script-one page often, but not always, corresponds to one minute of movie- and over 1000 rolls of film used during the shoot, its no surprise that Kill Bill, which is still being edited, may be one jumbo action film.  But there could be a headline-making solution in the works: Miramax and the director are said to be considering cutting the movie into two halves. But fear not, Tarantino-philes.  Whether its the full Kill Bill or just, you know, Wound Bill, Thurman will be wreaking havok in theatres on Oct. 10.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on July 11, 2003, 07:49:03 PM
There is NOTHING wrong with a 3+ hour movie.  Attention deficit disorder in critics (*cough*JamesBerardinelli*cough*) and movie goers in general really pisses me off.  188 minutes of Magnolia is heaven, and I would've been happy if they movie had been ~3:30 and left the Worm stuff in, too.  Although it may have needed an intermission.

That POS, Ted-Turner-financed, Civil War movie was about four hours long, and no one really whined (though it's not as if anyone saw it either ;)).  A movie, as the saying goes, should be as long as a piece of string: as long as it needs to be.  200 minutes of Tarantino?  I can live with that, as long as it's all necessary.  But why do I get the feeling a whole lot of that will be mindless action, a la Matrix Reloaded?

Ironically, though, I'm sitting through La dolce vita (pausing a lot) as a type this, and well, it could've used a trimming.  It's 180 minutes long, and I'm only through the first hour.  It's a VHS copy (no DVD in the US yet :() and it's been cropped, so that detracts from it, too.  Then again, what I'm seeing with Fellini so far is a tendency towards overindulgence.  But I digress.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ghostboy on July 11, 2003, 08:04:40 PM
You're right about the huge amounts of action -- if the draft of the script currently available is any indication. It's pretty insane. I can't wait. One movie or two is fine with me...it doesn't really matter, as long as we're not stuck with one truncated version.  The movie is the type that would work just fine with two installments (if he pulls it off -- if he doesn't, no one will want to see part 2).

Fellini is overindulgent, but gloriously so. Armacord is one giant overindulgement, and it's beautiful.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Raikus on July 12, 2003, 11:14:24 PM
Quote from: themodernage02this blurb is from Dark Horizons.  pretty exciting.

Kill Bill: Every now an then a star will say a quote which makes you go 'Wooooh', well Lucy Liu did that just the other day to press in Beijing about the new Tarantino movie: "It's so violent. People will leave the movie theatre or get sick in the movie theatre. But there's so much violence that it becomes not numbing, but almost comedic. There's a scene where there's so much violence that the color of the film goes into black and white, so that the blood looks like oil. It's cinematic, it's art. You can take it to a different level, and show what violence is, in such a heightened manner that you don't think of it as violence anymore, you think of it as a language. If you go to Kill Bill, you know there's going to be violence - that's your option".
Wait a minute. I've seen interviews with Liu about Charlie's Angels. That's not Liu. That's way too elegant and intelligent to be Liu. I call shenanigans.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: mindfuck on July 13, 2003, 02:24:31 AM
Apparently there is some crazy thing about Kill Bill at the San Diego Comic Con next weekend where people are hoping to get some kind of solid info on the film. The whole idea of mingling with the comic con people really scares the fuck out of me. I might bite the bullet and go though.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on July 13, 2003, 02:53:00 AM
TALKING FICTION
from german Rolling Stone magazine 7/2003

Film maniac Quentin Tarantino about Carradine, the production of Kill Bill and his main source of inspiration – his record collection.

Why haven't you been to Cannes?
- Because I was sitting in the studio cutting. I am behind 60 days and I just couldn't go. I have to finish the movie by October. At this point I have – to be honest – only cut half of the final film.

What's Kill Bill about?
A group of assassins is getting shot by their boss. The leader, at the same time Bill's wife, is only injured pretty bad. 5 years later she wakes up from her coma and takes revenge of Bill. Only that much: The entire genre of 70s film influenced me, not only Hong Kong films. I am a genre lover – everything from Spaghetti Western to Samurai movie.

How did you come up with David Carradine?
He was one of my favorite actors since my early childhood. I always wanted to have him in a movie of mine but I never had a suiting role for him. Up till now there never was a suiting character. Even when I started writing Kill Bill I first had someone else in mind who was available. While I was writing the script I was also reading David's auto biography and the more I wrote and read the more I came up with similarities and then – some day I thought: Hey, David could be this guy Bill.

I heard it wasn't that easy convincing Harvey Weinstein of David Carradine?
That's not completely right. I went to Harvey and suggested David. Weinstein wanted to get to know David before, and after he had met him, he just said: He is really cool – and then he supported the idea. I didn't really had to fight.

Will we see Uma and David in a Kung Fu duel?
Uma will be seen in a sword fight, she trained 3 months for that. Daryl Hannah also had to get into all the Samurai stuff. The hardest stuff were the stunts, because they were intended to be kinda new. Fortunately, it was fun for both the stunt guys and the girls, the have been training for months. David of course, he's the Kung Fu master, but which one of the girls is gonna fight against him, I won't reveal.

Were there any outstanding incidents during the shooting?
You could say that. I was talking with some people of the team about drilling a hole into the ground. And while I'm still talking, one of them picks up the driller and starts drilling. I wanna go, as I notice that he drilled my shoe. I yelled at him, he should hand me the driller. He yelled back 'No, it's mine'. I wanted to switch it off but in that moment he pulled it up and went away cursing.

Is it true that you wanted to make 2 movies out of Kill Bill?
I don't know yet, I am still cutting. But who knows, maybe I decide to do one, two or even 3 movies.

And you already have a DVD for Kill Bill in mind, do you?
Sure, and that's the cool thing about DVD: You can pack stuff on the disc that woul've been too much for the big screen because actually it would've only interested yourself and a bunch of fanboys, who wanna know everything, but the majority of the audience would just be bored with it. I take the DVD very seriously, to me that's like a movie of its own, not just a few pieces put together. But you have to know how to wait until the audience is really going wild for the DVD – then it's twice the fun.

When did you start getting interested in movies?
I think I got that with my babymilk. I also got the job at the videostore with the words I'd be a walking video encyclopedia.

How many movies do you watch during a week?
Hard to say. While I am working, like now, it's only very few. A few days ago I watched 'The Italian job', and I liked it, from the directing to the actors.

Where do you get your best ideas?
Mostly, when I'm in my music room and play old records and sing along to them. In the trailer to Kill Bill you can hear Japanese music, which I ran into while browsing my collection. I liked it so much that I just had to put it in somewhere.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 13, 2003, 12:08:03 PM
wow, this rumor is really picking up steam...

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Kill Bill to be Split Into Two Films After All?
Source: Entertainment Weekly Saturday, July 12, 2003

Columnists Marilyn Beck and Stacy Jenel Smith first learned from actor David Carradine back in February that Quentin Tarantino may be making Miramax's Kill Bill into a double feature.

"Shooting has been going on so long -- with Quentin continuing to write scenes -- that plans are afoot to turn 'Kill Bill' into two 90-minute features that would be released within five weeks of each other," he said. "The first film would end with a cliffhanger, so that everyone would want to see the second half."

His words were quickly dismissed by folks, but the same story has now resurfaced in the latest issue of Entertainment Weekly. They say that, according to sources close to the production, studio chief Harvey Weinstein screened sequences of the long-gestating kung-fu revenge film, starring Uma Thurman, last week.

According to the magazine, given the 197-page script, Miramax and the director are still said to be considering cutting the movie into two halves.

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i actually think that this might be a cool idea.  as long as they were released within a few weeks of each other.  but, if i have to wait 6 months or something, i'll be pissed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 13, 2003, 12:34:22 PM
We probably would have to wait a while after the first is released.  

A part of me wonders how good this is all going to be.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 14, 2003, 05:14:13 PM
more fuel to the fire...

www.darkhorizons.com
A while back David Carradine indicated the film was so long that Miramax was considering splitting it into two parts, the claim later denied. Then last week Entertainment Weekly regurgitated the rumour and this time it seems to have more weight although nothing official has yet been said. AICN indicates they've heard that "Kill Bill Volume I" & "Kill Bill Volume II" may be the potential titles but either way we will be getting something on October 10th. Now this past weekend DH has learned David Carradine has yet again spoken up on the issue at the Dallas Comic Con and 'Daniel' was there to reveal what was said - "He stated that Kill Bill may be broken up in to two parts - apparently they have a rough cut of about 200 mins and Miramax along with Tarantino are deciding whether or not to chop the length into one dose or just do it as two movies. Mr. Carradine seemed to believe that they are leaning towards two films though". A final verdict is expected at this weekend's San Diego Comic Con.

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on a side note, i'm not sure what my new custom rank means...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pubrick on July 15, 2003, 03:53:25 AM
Quote from: themodernage02on a side note, i'm not sure what my new custom rank means...
u know exactly what it means, buckaroo.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: markums2k on July 16, 2003, 07:59:23 AM
I wouldn't mind if the film was cut in two, but I would prefer a three-and-a-half hour movie.  I had no problem sitting through The Two Towers.  I wish it were another three hours LONGER.

Just because 97% of critics suffer from premature ejaculation doesn't mean they should spoil the fun for the rest of us.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 16, 2003, 09:41:59 AM
:lol:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 21, 2003, 05:48:58 PM
from aicn...

Quentin unveiled a great surprise after a few more questions. Apparently Quentin loves the trailer that has been out for the last few months, but his original idea was to cut a trailer that plays up the revenge/spaghetti western aspect of the film. Miramax loved it, but said that it played only to the people that love Tarantino films, not to everyone else that isn't automatically coming to this film. Miramax is cutting the second trailer right now... But for those of you lucky enough to have that great indie theatre or revival house in your area you'll get something special.  

Theatres like the Alamo Drafthouse Cinema (150 or so theatres in the US) will be getting this specialty trailer that Quentin and Co premiered earlier today. It is cut like a classic western trailer. The voice-over begins "In El Paso, Texas..." We see the wedding chapel... we get a glimpse of Buford Pusser as the preacher... We see Madsen, Hannah, Vivica Fox and Lucy Lui as they walk to the church. FLASH on a very quick black and white picture of Uma Thurman's face beaten to a pulp. Very disturbing, very violent looking even in the quick flash that we saw.

Michael Parks (FROM DUSK TILL DAWN) pops up as another Texas Ranger... same one from DUSK? And observes the wedding crime scene. There's an exchange in Japanese between Uma and Sonny Chiba. The subtitles read, "I need Japanese steel." "Why do you need Japanese steel?" "I need to kill some vermin."  

A total Ennio Morricone-ish Spaghetti Western score underscores the whole trailer, including the Aeon Flux-like animated sequences in the trailer. There's an extension to the scene with Vivica Fox we saw in the first trailer. She's chopping veggies and says, "I guess it's too late to say sorry, isn't it?" Then we see an extended version of the knife fight in the kitchen.  

Michael Madsen's Bud appears in profile. He says, "That woman deserves her revenge..." More flashes of some really violent animation and some new pieces of the House of Blue Leaves sequence including a really nifty sword move from Uma where she does this low jump, flipping in mid-air, avoiding one of the Katos and sending a vicious slice to the mid-section. The shot of Madsen returns and he finishes his line. "...we deserve to die." The whole trailer feels like a '70s and earlier trailer, down to the over large quotation marks around the title at the end... it was only missing the quick post-footage "Rated GP."  

The trailer kicks so much ass, but I can totally understand why they're not releasing it in 3000 plus theatres. Most people would look at this trailer and have no idea what's going on. It's light on the action, high on the revenge. I personally think it's a great idea to have the ass-kicking, mass audience trailers out to the mainstream market and have a completely different trailer cut for the art house or revival audience.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on July 21, 2003, 06:17:05 PM
according to this, both kill bill volumes will be 94 minutes each linky (http://www.cinescape.com/0/editorial.asp?aff_id=0&this_cat=Movies&action=page&obj_id=39168)

now this is truly shitty
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 21, 2003, 06:23:05 PM
well, thats quite a bit different from this,

Quote from: Conflicting InformationBoth movies will be longer than 2 hours, making the final product over 5 hours long

so now, i'm a little more upset.  a 3 hour 10 min epic is not that long.  two 90 min movies is bullshit.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on July 21, 2003, 06:26:23 PM
What's shitty is going back and forth between two threads over the same subject.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on July 21, 2003, 06:29:34 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinWhat's shitty is going back and forth between two threads over the same subject.

oh shit, sorry, i didnt realize. i just clicked on the first kill bill thread i saw and posted. maybe someone should move the last few posts into the other.

appy-polly-logies
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on July 21, 2003, 06:36:44 PM
It's okay, we'll just call the threads "Kill Bill" Volume One And Volume Two.

I think what happened was modernage posted new info in keeping this thread about the movie in general and the other one just about the split.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on July 22, 2003, 11:32:50 AM
yep.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: chainsmoking insomniac on July 22, 2003, 01:25:56 PM
It's also aggravating that there are two different time lengths.  So each one will definitely be about 90 minutes???
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: markums2k on July 22, 2003, 02:18:26 PM
Quote from: Ghoulardi GoonIt's also aggravating that there are two different time lengths.  So each one will definitely be about 90 minutes???

I don't think there's a difference in time lengths at all.  No matter how you add them up, they equal RIP OFF.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pozer on July 22, 2003, 08:01:55 PM
So will the trailer for the 2nd half say: THE 5TH MOVIE BY QUENTIN TARANTINO? This will help him ketchup.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on July 22, 2003, 08:10:12 PM
QuoteThis will help him ketchup.

now there is a sharp little guy  :lol:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on July 27, 2003, 07:51:14 PM
"That woman deserves her revenge...we deserve to die."

God, that line gave me chills just reading it! This officially got me more excited about this movie than ANYTHING else...even the teaser...wow. Best fucking line ever, seriously...wowwww.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pubrick on July 28, 2003, 12:22:21 AM
Quote from: ebeaman"That woman deserves her revenge...we deserve to die."

God, that line gave me chills just reading it! This officially got me more excited about this movie than ANYTHING else...even the teaser...wow. Best fucking line ever, seriously...wowwww.
hey, whatever weens u off All the Real Last Year Girls..
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: pete on August 12, 2003, 10:15:58 AM
I saw it last night it was great.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ghostboy on August 12, 2003, 10:56:45 AM
You Bostonian BASTARD!!! Are you going to go into more detail or are we going to have to rely on the mixed review over at AICN?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: pete on August 12, 2003, 05:25:44 PM
there's a mixed review?  everyone who went loved it, I dunno how you could not like it, it was a fun movie with a killer soundtrack, it's good in all the parts that's supposed to be good, and tongue in cheek in all the parts supposed to be cheesy.  yes, I've seen all that gore in a similar fashion in movies like Versus and whatnot, but you know, this one was done with so much more style and budget, not to mention a killer soundtrack.  it wasn't deep, thematically speaking it was a lot lighter than pulp fiction or dogs (even though this one's all about revenge and is abundant with severed limbs, violence involving children--not towards, involving, and whatnot).  It was a great movie.  the soundtrack was one of thes best in an action movie.  you really can't scoff at a movie that doesn't take most of itself very seriously.  all the actors get to deliver meaty speeches, and unlike the matrix that tries to be all deep with their monologues, QT's monologues are just a lot better 'cause they don't really try to be all that much.
and you know, as a huge martial arts snob I thought I was gonna have tons of problems with Uma Thurman's moves, but they even danced around that very gracefully--by getting Sonny Chiba to choreograph it.  for those of you who don't watch Sonny Chiba--he's got some of the ugliest moves in martial arts history, but they're fun to watch because they're so brutal and so clever.  I think most of what I saw yesterday was choreographed by Chiba, so I still have no idea what they're gonna look when they do kungfu, probably shitty, but kill bill volume one looked gooood.
speaking of volume one, it was also entirely appropriate to have it in two volumes, even though in the beginning I thought it was a cheap thing to do, because that was a good satisfying two hours.
the thing is, I thought I would be the one giving a mixed review because I always thought that I was OVER QT, that it was just an adolescent male thing, longing to be cool and badass, and QT just happened to be there during the times.  And then later on we saw all these QT ripoff hip crime movies with blood and irony and say, man, QT ain't all that, and then I analyzed all the QT movies to death--that's just john ford meets scorsese meets john woo meets melville...etc., but dammit, man's got a mind of his own and a voice of his own.  He's probably the flashiest of all directors working right now, and that's probably why he's a star director, because he's reminding people constantly that they're watching a film, and in case of kill bill, a really cool martial arts gore film.
other genre-embracing/crossing movies ain't got nothing on kill bill.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ghostboy on August 12, 2003, 05:44:53 PM
The mixed review said that it was basically all action and no story (he also said that it was hard not to have fun with it, since QT was there and got everyone hyped up). There's another review up there now, though, that says basically everything you said (i.e. it kicks ass). I REALLY REALLY REALLY want to hear that RZA score...his Ghost Dog tracks were awesome, I can't wait to hear what he unleashes here. I'm even MORE hyped now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 12, 2003, 07:44:01 PM
Quote from: P
Quote from: ebeaman"That woman deserves her revenge...we deserve to die."

God, that line gave me chills just reading it! This officially got me more excited about this movie than ANYTHING else...even the teaser...wow. Best fucking line ever, seriously...wowwww.
hey, whatever weens u off All the Real Last Year Girls..

:cry:

I'm afraid nothing will ever "ween" me off of that my friend...sorry....or maybe I'm not actually, we still talk about Boogie Nights close to 7 years after its theatrical release date and Pulp Fiction after almost 10...so yea, I'm shouldn't be sorry. All the Real Girls hasn't even been released on dvd yet.

Only 1 week left!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: atticus jones on August 13, 2003, 05:51:37 AM
in real life...no girls

in movie life...all the real girls

kill bill was enjoyed by me pre silver screen naw whut i meen?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on August 13, 2003, 11:43:19 AM
according to somebody from a screening over at AICN, quentin says volume two should follow in january.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 13, 2003, 12:09:17 PM
Quote from: mein real life...no girls

in movie life...all the real girls

There are no girls in real life? That would suck.

I'm sorry, lately I've been trying to read and understand your posts but it's hard for me. They always look interesting or maybe funny but I just never get them. I want to and I really do try to though. I'm not one to just ignore what I don't understand.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on August 15, 2003, 07:07:05 PM
Couple more production photos:

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmo%2Fkillbillsl04.jpg&hash=9f6da077fe4cf68ac7cdd121929a5406b4fb49a8)
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmo%2Fkillbillsl05.jpg&hash=6c2043a604d193f23c5e566962c78c98ac94271a)
(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fus.i1.yimg.com%2Fus.yimg.com%2Fi%2Fmo%2Fkillbillsl06.jpg&hash=f7bc09298c20d6593d11fed4fa8c88593c595223)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 15, 2003, 09:25:58 PM
Awesome Mac, those will definitely be in rotation as my wallpaper.

Just read a great little (kinda big I guess) article on Kill Bill in the new Premiere magazine. They had their big fall preview and gave Quentin's comback a whole article...pics and a whole little interview within it, it was really pretty nice to read. Anyway, I don't if people already know this but I didn't and I still can't really believe what I read but...there was this little blurb in there about how he likes to dress up according to the scene or scenes that he's filming for the day...like they had a picture of him shooting a scene at a hospital with scrubs on...it was really really weird. My scanner isn't working, I'd scan it if I could. There's some other cool pics in there too. Can't wait!

You guys should pick it up by the way, even if you normally don't. All of their preview issues are worth getting...and they claim this one is their biggest yet. There's even this cool mini preview of The Undertow, David Gordon Green's next film...talks about DGG directing a vomiting scene, it's very funny. Also, they have a full page about Intolerable Cruelty, the Coen's next movie...can't wait to see that too. Check it out, it's a great magazine.

October 10th!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on August 16, 2003, 12:48:46 AM
Quote from: ebeamanAnyway, I don't if people already know this but I didn't and I still can't really believe what I read but...there was this little blurb in there about how he likes to dress up according to the scene or scenes that he's filming for the day...like they had a picture of him shooting a scene at a hospital with scrubs on...it was really really weird. My scanner isn't working, I'd scan it if I could. There's some other cool pics in there too. Can't wait!

i think avary does the same thing (kind of). on mr. stitch he and the whole crew dressed in white, and on killing zoe hed dress accordingly to the color scheme of the film (white beginning, blue second part, red end)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 16, 2003, 12:19:31 PM
Quote from: Cecil B. Dementedi think avary does the same thing (kind of). on mr. stitch he and the whole crew dressed in white, and on killing zoe hed dress accordingly to the color scheme of the film (white beginning, blue second part, red end)

Wow, really!? That's kinda creepy to me, maybe I'm the one that's weird, but I don't know...that's just kinda lame to me. It's definitely dedicated, I will say that. It's just not something I would ever do.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pozer on August 17, 2003, 12:59:32 PM
shad up
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pubrick on August 17, 2003, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: posershad up
*remembering when nelson stood up for martin in 'Lemon of Troy' (s.6)*

hey poser, i think i just saw a horse-like chick from a reality show posting in some thread, u should check it out!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pozer on August 17, 2003, 03:41:57 PM
EezeePeezee
M R jokes

but just out of curiosity, link me to that thread
Title: KILL BILL CINEMATOGRAPHY
Post by: finlayr on August 17, 2003, 07:55:20 PM
Does anyone else agree with me here?  I think Kill Bill (well, Robert Richardson) is a serious contender for the Best Cinematograhpy Oscar next year...  The film is beautifully shot--just look at it--AMAZING pictures... and the film isn't even out yet...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on August 18, 2003, 04:12:50 PM
Quote from: ebeamanJust read a great little (kinda big I guess) article on Kill Bill in the new Premiere magazine. They had their big fall preview and gave Quentin's comback a whole article...pics and a whole little interview within it, it was really pretty nice to read. Anyway, I don't if people already know this but I didn't and I still can't really believe what I read but...there was this little blurb in there about how he likes to dress up according to the scene or scenes that he's filming for the day...like they had a picture of him shooting a scene at a hospital with scrubs on...it was really really weird. My scanner isn't working, I'd scan it if I could. There's some other cool pics in there too.

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After six years, the director who redefined movie violence returns with Kill Bill - a wild, bloody mix of campy comedy and kickass kung fu.

"Uma Thurman versus Daryll Hannah - that sounds a bit like a Japanese monster movie, you know!?" sais an excited Quentin Tarantino, calling from the editing room. "Like Godzilla versus Rodan. It's War of the Blonde Gargantuans!"

Everything you've heard about Tarantino is true. His enthusiasm is boundless, his film references wide-ranging, his sense of humor mischievous. The longer the 40-year-old writer-director talks about Kill Bill, his $55 million-plus revenge epic (and first film since 1997's Jackie Brown), the faster and more flustered his speech becomes. He sounds just like what he is: a former video-store clerk turned-Oscar-winning toast of Hollywood-turned-missing-in-action director, who is now realizing his dream project - and is a little shocked that they haven't shut the door on him yet.

"You've got this two beautiful women and they just keep fucking each other up, getting kicked in the crotch, faces smashed into a wall, lamps cracked over their heads," he sais. "I want every blow to hurt."

The pain has to be real, because the Bride (Uma Thurman) couldn't be more serious. Once member of the Deadly Viper Assasination Squad (or Di.V.A.S), she tries to leave her life of mayhem behind by marrying a square. A few uninvited guests show up with machine guns - her former colleagues (Hannah, Vivica A. Fox, Lucy Liu and Michael Madsen) and the boss of them all, Bill (David Carradine). "Bill," the Bride pleads. "I'm pregnant. It's your baby." Bang!

When she wakes up in a hospital five years later, she embarks on an adventure that takes her from Texas to Okinawa, Beijing, and Mexico, spilling blood with one singular purpose. "When I arrive at my destination," she sais, "I'm gonna Kill Bill!"

If the buckets of blood at the center of the story weren't enough to give Miramax pause, there was the yearlong delay when Uma Thurman got pregnant in early 2001. Tarantino said he never considered replacing the actress, who earned an Oscar-nomination for Pulp Fiction. "This is my Josef von Sternberg movie," he sais, "and Uma is my Dietrich." Martial-arts legends Sonny Chiba and Gordon Liu signed on for pivotal roles, and though Warren Beatty decided not to play Bill, '70s Kung Fu icon Carradine took the part instead. "I've always thought of him as one of our great mad geniuses," Tarantino sais of Carradine.

The film is a starnge brew of the B-movie elements its director loves and twists that can only be described as ... well, Tarantinoesque. And as the genres (lethal-femal blaxploitation-style revenge, samurai swordplay, spaghetti western, Japanimation) change with each chapter of the story, so does the movie's look. "We used to joke that [Uma's] fighting her way through the multiplex," Tarantino says. "When we go to these different genres, it should look as if you're looking at reels from different film prints. At one point, I even thought about using four cinematographers."

All he needed, though, was one Bob Richardson. "I do feel that it is the role of a director of photography to be a chameleon," says Oscar winner Richardson (JFK). "Quentin carried this film in gestation, and he knew virtually every shot. If it didn't match, you could see this look on his face, like a young man being hurt by a lover. And you went at it differently."

The actors went through rigorous training - three months, five days a week, eight hours a day - with a crew supervised by fight-team master Yuen Woo-Ping (the Matrix films), and Tarantino trained alongside them. "It was just like, unless I suffer with these girls, I'M going to have no authority when I tell them, 'It's not right, it's not right, do it again.'"

"When the guys that we trained with left, we were in tears," says Hannah, who sports a wardrobe of eyepatches in the movie and used a see-through one when fighting. "They're really pure and beautiful people."

Filming began in Beijing in June 2002. Because of the many painstaking action shots, Richardson says that "virtually everything was difficult to shoot." But Tarantino's passion carried them through. "My crew has never had a better experience, " Richardson says. "Quentin was making the film with absolute love."

Maybe too much love. In July, Miramax announced that Tarantino's footage would be turned into two movies, the first due October 10, the second probably two to six months later. The plan had always been to make a longer, more explicit cut for the Japanese audience, but, Tarantino says, Miramax's Harvey Weinstein liked what he saw and told him, "'Quentin, I don't want you to have to cut anything. So, uh, what about the idea that we release it as two movies?' Withing, like, two days I had it all worked out. This movie is kind of set up so there is no such thing as one version of it."

One movie or two, six-year layoff and pundits be damned - Tarantino's going to do exactly what he wants to do. "I consider myself an artist. I'm not trying to keep up with the Joneses," he says. "I've followed a lot of directors, and you do a lot of apologizing for those last 20 years when you look at their filmographies. I want my fans to be full of the same piss and vinegar when I make my last movies as they were when I made my first."

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Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on August 18, 2003, 05:20:01 PM
New teaser poster:
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Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pedro on August 18, 2003, 06:00:09 PM
Wow, I hate it.
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Post by: mindfuck on August 18, 2003, 06:09:19 PM
It's okay. I'm pretty sick of having every bit of marketing for the film mentioning that "this is the next QT movie" though. It mean, c'mon. That's almost as bad as the "From the creators of..." shit.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on August 18, 2003, 06:11:51 PM
i love it

the 1795th post by cecil b. demented
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on August 18, 2003, 06:28:42 PM
"here comes the bride" is a nice little tagline, though, donchathink?
Title: fucking ace poster
Post by: finlayr on August 18, 2003, 06:33:44 PM
This is the best teaser poster I've ever seen.  'Here comes The Bride'.  Is there any end to Tarantino's brilliance?  I think not.
Title: Re: fucking ace poster
Post by: Pedro on August 18, 2003, 08:57:01 PM
Quote from: finlayrThis is the best teaser poster I've ever seen.  'Here comes The Bride'.  Is there any end to Tarantino's brilliance?  I think not.
How is that at all brilliant?  I think it's fuckin' stupid, personally.   :?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gamblour. on August 18, 2003, 09:04:11 PM
Yeah...bout as good as "Even Cops Dial 911." That tagline for SWAT was stupid.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: RegularKarate on August 18, 2003, 09:05:21 PM
I wouldn't call it "Brilliant", but I like it... it's very B-horror movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: edison on August 19, 2003, 01:04:57 AM
I also hate how everything has to say, "The fourth film, blah blah" crap, its like ok, thats great, hes on number 4, wonder if when he gets to 12, the saying will be, ".....and now the exciting 12th film from Quentin Tarantino"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: finlayr on August 19, 2003, 08:38:17 AM
I think there's a few people here that are very very jealous of Tarantino's success as a filmmaker.  It's very sad..  Awww...  It's okay, you'll get to make yours someday...c'mon now...let's not rag on a film we haven't seen.. and remember the function of a teaser poster is to make people say "Hmm, what's that about?  Is it about a wedding?  Who's The Bride?"  And not only does it look great but it satisfies peoples curiosity.  So eh...that's why it's brilliant and the movie's gonna rule...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pubrick on August 19, 2003, 09:29:51 AM
tever fyags, tarantino's fuckin awesome.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on August 19, 2003, 11:02:20 AM
Quote from: finlayrI think there's a few people here that are very very jealous of Tarantino's success as a filmmaker.  It's very sad..  Awww...  It's okay, you'll get to make yours someday...c'mon now...let's not rag on a film we haven't seen.. and remember the function of a teaser poster is to make people say "Hmm, what's that about?  Is it about a wedding?  Who's The Bride?"  And not only does it look great but it satisfies peoples curiosity.  So eh...that's why it's brilliant and the movie's gonna rule...

totally. i dont really get why ppl (and by ppl i mean film geeks) r whining so much about the '4th film by tarantino' thing. he's really the only director that could pull it off. besides, he's just teasing his avid fan boy population.
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Post by: edison on August 19, 2003, 04:43:20 PM
Quote from: finlayrI think there's a few people here that are very very jealous of Tarantino's success as a filmmaker.  It's very sad..  Awww...  It's okay, you'll get to make yours someday...c'mon now...let's not rag on a film we haven't seen.. and remember the function of a teaser poster is to make people say "Hmm, what's that about?  Is it about a wedding?  Who's The Bride?"  And not only does it look great but it satisfies peoples curiosity.  So eh...that's why it's brilliant and the movie's gonna rule...

1. not jealous bc im not a filmmaker nor am i wanting to make films.
2. im glad hes very successful, and i always look forward to his newest films.
3. i know the function of a teaser poster, all i was saying was that really all it needs to say is his name in bold, no 4th film, no from the maker of...just his name and that all that is needed.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 19, 2003, 05:04:00 PM
Yea, I guess the whole "4th Film by QT" thing never really bothered me either...again, I would never advertise myself like that but it's cool for him and I love the new tagline too, lol...that fucking rocks.
Title: hey
Post by: finlayr on August 19, 2003, 07:43:21 PM
eez28:  I wasn't giving out to you, I was just strongly disagreeing that's all.  I think 'the 4th film from QT' thing is great, because it totally pumps up his loyal fans, i mean , this is a huge deal for me to know that quentin tarantino's next film is arriving soon and it looks and sounds great.  I didn't read the screenplay 'cause I don't wanna ruin it for myself.  i swear, the second the title card: "A film by Quentin Tarantino' pops up on screen in the film, I'll stand up in the audience and spunk all over the place.  I'll be THAT happy.  The 4th film thing also reminds people that True Romance, Dusk Till Dawn et al were not what you would class as official Tarantino films.  Res Dogs (classic), Pulp Ficiton (classic and changed cinema forever), Jackie Brown (classic)...and now his first original work since Pulp.  God I can't wait...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Fernando on August 26, 2003, 10:32:28 AM
From Latinoreview.

Daryl Hannah On Kill Bill

How did you get the part in Kill Bill? (Daryl plays the ruthless Elle Driver. The type of character you’ll love to hate. Her eye patch incident will have you gripping your seat.)

Daryl: Quentin showed up in my dressing room in a theater in London. Flew all the way there just to tell me he’d written something for me.

Can you talk about your training for Kill Bill?

Daryl: It was actually really good for this film [Casa de los Babys] because of all the training that I had been doing for Kill Bill kind of paid off…I have an athletic disposition, not that I keep it up, but I have that disposition, but it’s definitely helpful because I learned all that stuff pretty fast and of course loved it too. I would sit there and wait for the fight team to be finished with everybody else and be, “Can I get back on the wires?” [Different voice.] “Okay, one more flip.” ‘Cause I just think it’s fun, you get to fly. It was fun.

What do you think about the film being cut into two volumes, two films?

Daryl: I think that it is the only thing to do because this script was that big [puts her fingers into a three inch position.] It was a phone book, it was. It was the size of a telephone book and he added stuff while we were shooting. It’s his Magnum Opus. It is. It’s what he calls it. And it’s all the genres that he is obsessed with, it’s Japanese anime, spaghetti western, and kung-fu all combined into one.

How long did it take you to read the script?

Daryl: As soon as I got it I sat there and read it all at once.

Did you immediately think you wanted to do it?

Daryl: Well, I mean it’s the same thing with Quentin and John Sayles, you just—you don’t even say [dramatic voice] “What’s the part?” [Laughs] You just go, “Yeah, okay. Whatever, and how much will I be paying to do this? How much will it cost me?”

Have you seen the film yet?

Daryl: No, I’ve seen pieces of it.

What do you think it’s going to be like?

Daryl: Oh my God. The parts that I’ve seen, it wasn’t the parts that I’m in, but parts that I’ve seen of--from the House of Blue Leaves, it’s just stunning, it’s just amazing. It was really really really different from anything I’ve ever seen before because the—Bob Richardson is the cameraman and the camera work is just spectacular and it just floats through this scene and every extra has his own story going on, but it’s not—their own story adds to the whole story and the story doesn’t stop for a fight scene. The story evolves through the fight scenes and grows and changes to you know, it’s hard to explain…its really striking.

Did Quentin give you a lot of homework?

Daryl: Seventy-five video tapes…and coming over to his house and watching double features and having to go to work in the morning and having to watch ‘Jackass.’ That was really bad ‘cause he discovered ‘Jackass’ right in the middle of my fight. The week we were shooting my fight scene, so then my fight scene became “And today we’re going to throw snot in your face! And then, now we’re going to smash a lamp in your face, and now!! Flush your head down the toilet!” [Fist in front of her] Johnny Knoxville!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on August 29, 2003, 01:45:20 AM
Thurman to Kill Bill a Second Time on February 20
Source: Variety

Miramax has set the release for the Quentin Tarantino-directed Kill Bill: Volume 2 for February 20, 2004. Kill Bill: Volume 1 will be released on October 10, and there was speculation both halves would be released this year.

Aside from marketing considerations, the split decision has awards implications. "Volume 1" is eligible for Oscars this year and "Volume Two" will be eligible next year. Oscar voters will no longer have to weigh two halves of this franchise that would have been competing for the same vote.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on August 30, 2003, 10:51:27 AM
well, i guess that's not too long of a wait.  i hope i dont die in between those two dates.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on August 30, 2003, 10:18:33 PM
Quote from: FernandoFrom Latinoreview.

Daryl Hannah On Kill Bill!

Cool stuff...I gotta say Fernando, your posts can be described just as John Goodman describes Delmar's sparse speakig habits in O Brother, Where Art Thou...you don't post a lot but, when you do, it's important and to the point. You don't seem to ever fuck around...that's how I got myself into trouble. Just wanted to commend you for what it's worth.

Quote from: ewardi hope i dont die in between those two dates.

Lol...I guess the wait is a little longer than I wanted it to be. I was hoping for a Christmas release for this one. But oh well...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on September 15, 2003, 09:22:29 PM
i was flipping through this months Fangoria and it was on KILL BILL.  It shows some of the gore in the film and it looks fucking awsome.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on September 17, 2003, 10:26:53 AM
Exclusive: Kill Bill Anime
A still from the film's anime segment...
Source: FilmForce

*SOME STORY SPOILERS ABOUT WHAT THE ANIME IS OF*

In Kill Bill, Uma Thurman stars as the Bride, a former assassin betrayed by her boss, Bill (David Carradine). Four years after surviving a bullet in the head, the Bride emerges from a coma and swears revenge on her former master and his Deadly Viper Assassination Squad (DiVAS). The Bride travels from the El Paso backroads to Pasadena suburbia to Okinawa sushi bars to the Tokyo yakuza gang territory hunting down the gang's members, played by Lucy Liu, Vivica A. Fox, Daryl Hannah and Michael Madsen.

Miramax has said that Tarantino fans can expect plenty of the director's signature flavor... homages to Kung Fu movies, spaghetti westerns, and pop culture references.

Another thing that fans can expect is a bit of anime in the film.  There's at least one animated sequence in the movie that tells the origin story of Lucy Liu's character.  We're not sure about the other sequences, if there are any, but we've scored an exclusive first look at the anime from the film – I'm gonna go out on a limb here and guess that that's Bill (he's played by David Carradine in the film). The animation was apparently done by the same studio that does Ghost in the Shell.

Kill Bill Vol. 1 hits on October 10 and the second installment is set to debut in theaters on February 20.

See the still here. (http://ffmedia.ign.com/killbill/image/kill-bill-anime.jpg)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on September 20, 2003, 03:03:24 PM
Reminder:

PRIMETIME MONDAY co-anchor Chris Cuomo talks with director Quentin Tarantino and actress Daryl Hannah about the upcoming film "Kill Bill: Volume One." The interview will air as part of an edition of PRIMETIME MONDAY focusing on Hollywood, airing MONDAY, SEPT. 22 (8:00-9:00 pm ET) on your ABC station.

http://www.abcmedianet.com/progcal/getphotos.htm?assetid=PH4406
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: edison on September 22, 2003, 11:18:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinReminder:

PRIMETIME MONDAY co-anchor Chris Cuomo talks with director Quentin Tarantino and actress Daryl Hannah about the upcoming film "Kill Bill: Volume One." The interview will air as part of an edition of PRIMETIME MONDAY focusing on Hollywood, airing MONDAY, SEPT. 22 (8:00-9:00 pm ET) on your ABC station.

http://www.abcmedianet.com/progcal/getphotos.htm?assetid=PH4406

This interview sorta sucked, i didnt learn anything new from it, and i didnt see and new shots from KB that i havent already seen. oh well.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on September 23, 2003, 12:22:17 AM
Quote from: EEz28This interview sorta sucked, i didnt learn anything new from it, and i didnt see and new shots from KB that i havent already seen. oh well.

Yeah, it didn't really go into much into his interview, and it seems the questions that should have been addressed to him (the reception to "Jackie Brown," for example) were asked to the actors. It should have been the entire hour instead of ten minutes. Although I loved it when he said, "'Master Of The Flying Guillotine' - one of the greatest kung-fu movies of all time."  :yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: martinthewarrior on September 23, 2003, 12:33:47 AM
extremely lame
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Post by: aclockworkjj on September 23, 2003, 12:44:17 AM
damn you guys are harsh...for only 10 mins. I sat through it.  Sure, coulda been longer, and came complete with a commentary track or something...but, shit...I was just happy to see anything about this guy!  He has been MIA.  I guess I woulda probably  found anything talking about his films interestin' thou.  It was ABC, what did you all expect?
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Post by: ono on September 23, 2003, 01:42:23 AM
I liked it for what it was, a fluff piece to boost his movie and give fanboys like us a glimpse at the master at work and play.  But still, I wanted more, too.  Primetime Live isn't the place for that, though.  I'd love to see him on Charlie Rose again or something, or heh, Larry King, if he hasn't been already.  Wish Tom Snyder was still around.  The few times I watched him, he always got good interviews.  That was a while back, though.  Inside the Actors Studio might be cool to see him on, too.  Coppola did it, so why not him?  (Heh, although I realize he might have, and I'm just not privy to it.)

Actually, now that I think about it, I'd rather him sit down with someone who knew as much about movies as him.  He did the foreword for Harry Knowles' book.  He could do it.  Or, Roger Ebert would do a great interview with him.  I never did get to watch Ebert's show during the time it was co-host-less.  Did Tarantino ever guest host?  Not that that's the same as an interview by any means.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: edison on September 23, 2003, 01:05:23 PM
I had high expectations going in this interview, first i thought it was going to be the whole hour, and second i thought it was going to focus more on KB, not his past, and the footage they did show of him on set was PF stuff, i want some KB BTS.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on September 23, 2003, 01:13:34 PM
www.killbill.com


check out all the new shit.  Make sure and see the bootleg trailer
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Post by: Finn on September 23, 2003, 03:07:19 PM
I expected ABC to have a much longer interview with him than what we got. but I guess people would rather hear jewel than quentin! :roll:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gloria on September 23, 2003, 06:42:06 PM
Quotewww.killbill.com

Not to be nit-picky or anything but the real site is at http://www.kill-bill.com.  The other link takes you to some monosomething site.


And I agree that the interview was quite a rip off. But I guess we have to wait til he makes the talk show interviews closer to the Kill Bill release date.  Plug-away time is near.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ghostboy on September 23, 2003, 09:15:48 PM
Potentially old news, but...I just got the press screening pass (won't be able to go, though) and it says that the damn thing is only 93 minutes! Motherfuckers. I want my three hour Tarantino epic back!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on September 23, 2003, 10:26:35 PM
Ugh, that's not good news.  A three-hour Tarantino pic would be a dream come true.

I'm sitting here, though, wondering to myself why this film still "is not yet rated."  He says it's one of the goriest things ever.  It could test the bounds of the R rating, or (something Miramax would probably never do so I don't even know why I mention it), it could go out as NC-17 if it's deserving.  But I don't think the chances of that are too good.  Still, like I said, it's odd there's no rating yet.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: edison on September 23, 2003, 11:56:26 PM
Ghostboy, GIMMIE YOUR PASS!!!!!!!! why cant you go?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: pete on September 24, 2003, 12:07:26 AM
well I've mentioned this before, but the gory version I saw at the test screening felt long enough at the actual half-length.  After that climatic battle you really do need to take a break.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on September 24, 2003, 01:46:10 AM
The gorgeous blonde bombshell Uma Thurman is a mother, an in demand actress, and one of the most natural beauties around. Now she's starring in an ultra-violent, slightly camp tribute too all things B-grade kung fu in Tarantino's "Kill Bill" epic and in a recent interview with Time Magazine she talked quite extensively about her prepartion for the part whilst the article itself revealed some quite interesting details.

*READ FURTHER AT OWN RISK - MINOR STORY SPOILERS*

For example, despite its length don't expect much in the way of subplots in the film - "Whereas Pulp Fiction has three plots, Kill Bill barely has one; Tarantino created no layered subplots, no pathos and no circus of pop references to ground his movie in reality". The first scene Uma shot (just three months after she gave birth) had her stabbing a woman in front of her four-year-old child, whilst combat wise she had to learn "Three styles of kung fu, two styles of sword fighting, knife throwing, knife fighting, hand-to-hand combat, Japanese speaking. It was literally absurd". The finale sequence which has Uma fighting Lucy Liu & 88 Yakuza (the scene in all the trailers) lasts 20-minutes onscreen but took eight weeks to shoot. The writer has also seemed to have seen the film and comments on the performance: "Even though the reasons for the Bride's revenge spree are well set up, there are moments when Thurman portrays her as a beast who has tasted blood and might like more. Certainly there are also plenty of scenes in which Thurman seems to be holding herself together by the memory thread of her murdered child. Overall, it's a rich, nuanced performance in a movie that has lots of visual candy but no other source of depth".

More here. (http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1101030929-488846-2,00.html)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on September 24, 2003, 02:58:04 PM
the NC-17 rating would be okay with me, but it might not be too good for the box office
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on September 24, 2003, 04:45:34 PM
for making us pay twice to see the movie, the least they can do is release it uncut (or at least have some uncut prints for whoever would play them)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on September 24, 2003, 04:51:55 PM
Quote from: Sydneythe NC-17 rating would be okay with me, but it might not be too good for the box office

keep dreaming.  would never happen.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: picolas on September 25, 2003, 12:12:52 AM
from Aicn:
Hey folks, Harry here with a reaction from a film geek that got to see KILL BILL VOL 1 last night in Beverly... Hills that is...
Hola Harry,

Hope this gets your attention. Last night, I was fortunate enough to attend a press screening of Kill Bill Vol 1 in Beverly Hills. And rather than give anything away, as that would be just plain sacrilege, I will share some of the comments made afterward by myself and the friend who took me:

- "What are you doing the rest of the week?" "Masturbating thinking about this movie."

- "Hey, remember when God said, 'And let there be light?' This was better."

- "It's almost like Tarantino *has* to wait six years between every movie, because that's about how long it'll take before the talk begins to die down from this one."

- "I'm glad I'm not reviewing this, because you could pull out every superlative in the book, and it wouldn't do it justice."

- "For the first time in my life, I feel like I know what it must have been like to see Star Wars in 1977."


SHIT!


from Ananova.com (spoilers):
Hot reviews for Tarantino's Kill Bill

Quentin Tarantino's new film Kill Bill has been getting rave reviews ahead of its hotly anticipated release.

Total Film gives Kill Bill, Tarantino's first film since 1997's Jackie Brown, five out of five and declares it a Tarantino masterpiece.

The review concludes: "So good it deserves mention in the same breath as Reservoir Dogs or Pulp Fiction."

More plaudits come from Empire Magazine, which gives it four out of five and also praised its "sly visual wit".

The review, published in next month's issue, also praises Uma Thurman's performance and urges filmlovers to "just sit back and enjoy the splatter".

The critics are divided on the decision to split the film into two. The first instalment hits cinemas on October 10, with the second part due out next year. Total Film declares it "all good news" while Empire reserves judgement until both parts are out.

Kill Bill's cast includes Lucy Liu, Michael Madsen and Daryl Hannah, as well as Thurman who plays an assassin who awakes from a five-year coma with a bullet lodged in her skull.

She sets out to track down her former boss, Bill, who ordered a massacre at her wedding after she tried to quit crime.

According to co-star Liu, who plays Japanese gang mastermind O-Ren Ishii, some of the violence in Kill Bill is so extreme, audiences may be physically sick.

And Thurman adds to the queasiness when she says of her character: "I get shot in the head, raped, kicked, beaten and sliced by samurai swords - they should have called it Kill Uma."
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Post by: ono on September 25, 2003, 11:07:51 PM
Quote from: themodernage02
Quote from: Sydneythe NC-17 rating would be okay with me, but it might not be too good for the box office

keep dreaming.  would never happen.
Well, I just saw the Kill Bill commercial during a break from Leno, and the movie is now rated R.  Didn't see how the gore and violence was classified; I'm sure that can be found on IMDb.  If not now, eventually.
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Post by: Ghostboy on September 26, 2003, 12:40:18 AM
Quote from: EEz28Ghostboy, GIMMIE YOUR PASS!!!!!!!! why cant you go?

Nevermind, I'm going. I'll report back tomorrow afternoon with what I think.

(notice how well I masked my intense anticipation)
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Post by: Fernando on September 29, 2003, 12:45:40 PM
Quentin will be today on Leno, the guest star is Kevin Bacon though.

Lucy Lu will be there this thursday.
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Post by: SHAFTR on September 30, 2003, 01:54:50 PM
for those that care...here is what Kevin Smith said about the film....

"Went to the premiere last night, totally clean: never read the script,
stayed away from reviews, listened to no spoilers.

My God, I love that movie. It is, without a doubt, the best flick I've seen
all year - maybe the best flick I've seen in five years. It made me so
insanely happy. When the credits rolled, I felt proud in a weird way,
just because I make movies at the same company Quentin does.

It was the perfect marriage of "movie" and "film": extremely
entertaining, engrossing and satisfying, and also moving, inspiring
and heart-wrenching. It's a masterpiece. It's "Pulp" good. Shit, it's
better than "Pulp" good.

From the opening quote on the screen (cheekily credited to the least
expected source), to the closing line (the best piece of cliff-hanging
dialogue since "Empire Strikes Back"), "Kill Bill" delivers in ways few
movies ever do.

The whole cast is wonderful (with Uma Thurman and Lucy Lieu being
the stand-outs). "The House of Blue Leaves" segment is brilliant.
The anime' sequence is so great, it may finally introduce
manga/anime into the mainstream. It's shot beautifully. The music
choices are flawless. The sound is rich and daring. It's just flat-out
phenomenal.

I've always loved the guy's work, but this flick is proof positive that
Quentin's a mad genius. I'm gushing like a fan-boy, I know; but I can't
help myself. It's the kinda flick that makes me remember why I got
into filmmaking in the first place. I'm going to see it a few times in
theaters when it's released - something I haven't done in ages.

I wish everyone here had seen it already so we can post back and
forth about it.

Shit, it was great. Great, great, great. God bless Quentin and
Miramax for making this flick."
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Post by: Gloria on September 30, 2003, 02:22:33 PM
I think he liked it.  :)
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Post by: Ghostboy on September 30, 2003, 02:36:26 PM
That's exactly how I felt. Harry Knowles' review is also really good. I'm trying to write my full-length review of it, but I think I might need to see it again first.
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Post by: edison on September 30, 2003, 11:35:13 PM
HELL YES!!!!!!

just got an email and it seems that i will be seeing this tomorrow (oct 1) at 11am.

Thank You Angelika Theater!!!!
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Post by: Sleuth on September 30, 2003, 11:39:04 PM
Whoa, whoa, wait

Is this some sort of special invite, or were you just notified that it would be there tomorrow
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Post by: edison on September 30, 2003, 11:51:04 PM
Quote from: tremoloslothWhoa, whoa, wait

Is this some sort of special invite, or were you just notified that it would be there tomorrow

i knew you would post a reply, its an advance screening, a press one that they also give out extra tickets to.
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Post by: Banky on September 30, 2003, 11:51:18 PM
man i love Kevin Smith

where did he post that?
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Post by: Sleuth on September 30, 2003, 11:54:01 PM
Quote from: EEz28
Quote from: tremoloslothWhoa, whoa, wait

Is this some sort of special invite, or were you just notified that it would be there tomorrow

i knew you would post a reply, its an advance screening, a press one that they also give out extra tickets to.

Sssssssss!  You've got to tell me about these things, bro!
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: tremolosloth
Quote from: EEz28
Quote from: tremoloslothWhoa, whoa, wait

Is this some sort of special invite, or were you just notified that it would be there tomorrow

i knew you would post a reply, its an advance screening, a press one that they also give out extra tickets to.

Sssssssss!  You've got to tell me about these things, bro!

I just did!!! i only got the email about 3 minutes before i posted my first response, you need to sign up for angelika's email thingie so you can get the occasional free pass, and if you havent done so either, sign up for landmarks, they also give out passes, but they will usually do it weekly, whereas angelika does this once in a blue moon.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 01, 2003, 12:22:44 AM
Quote from: Bankyman i love Kevin Smith

where did he post that?

His VA webboard.
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 02:51:57 PM
***Possible spoilers but i will try to refrain from spoling them to you, ths film needs to be seen with as little knowledge as possible, i wish i could have go into this one cold, perhaps having only seen the trailer, but last year i read the first part of the screenplay so i had an idea of how things were going to play out as i was watching this.




Well alrighty, I just had the chance of seeing Kill Bill this morning and this film is going to make every fanboy cream in their pants, this film will be talked about for years and will be copied upon, mark my words.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, the opening title card reads and from there on it never lets up, you dont ever really have a chance to breathe, it hits you with one thing upon the next and when the final words are spoken you will wish for feb to be here tomorrow, fuck that, you will want it now!! God, i dont even really know where to begin and i really hate to say more, i really cant wait until the 10th when every single one of you will be on here and this thread will reach beyond 100 pages. But believe everything you have heard and read, this will knock you on your ass, you will cheer, maybe not outloud but to yourself you will, you are introduced to these characters so fast that you still feel for them, its hard for a movie to do this but this one pulls it off nicely, i really want to go into more but i'll stop here and just wait till everyone else sees it

P.S. Dont even bother standing up when you see Written and  Directed by QT
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Post by: Banky on October 01, 2003, 04:37:55 PM
new international poster
is on the next post
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Post by: Fernando on October 01, 2003, 04:55:01 PM
Let's see if this one works.

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.angelfire.com%2Ffilm%2Ffb1%2Fxixax%2Fkill_bill_intl-poster.jpg&hash=29a8c3bed7e504846157cd70af358d02ce7c8798)
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Post by: nix on October 01, 2003, 05:11:05 PM
I get to go to a free screening on monday! (cream).
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Post by: coffeebeetle on October 01, 2003, 05:19:50 PM
Well, thanks alot.  I've already creamed my pants and I haven't even seen the fucking film.  
J/k...you're just getting me (and I'm sure alot of others) pumped up beyond...well, you get my drift.
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 05:26:47 PM
I pretty much always hate how films are hyped way beyond the release then suck ass, but this is the one time where it is deserved and it does not suck ass.
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Post by: pete on October 01, 2003, 05:44:59 PM
was it still really violent?

Quote from: EEz28***Possible spoilers but i will try to refrain from spoling them to you, ths film needs to be seen with as little knowledge as possible, i wish i could have go into this one cold, perhaps having only seen the trailer, but last year i read the first part of the screenplay so i had an idea of how things were going to play out as i was watching this.




Well alrighty, I just had the chance of seeing Kill Bill this morning and this film is going to make every fanboy cream in their pants, this film will be talked about for years and will be copied upon, mark my words.

Revenge is a dish best served cold, the opening title card reads and from there on it never lets up, you dont ever really have a chance to breathe, it hits you with one thing upon the next and when the final words are spoken you will wish for feb to be here tomorrow, fuck that, you will want it now!! God, i dont even really know where to begin and i really hate to say more, i really cant wait until the 10th when every single one of you will be on here and this thread will reach beyond 100 pages. But believe everything you have heard and read, this will knock you on your ass, you will cheer, maybe not outloud but to yourself you will, you are introduced to these characters so fast that you still feel for them, its hard for a movie to do this but this one pulls it off nicely, i really want to go into more but i'll stop here and just wait till everyone else sees it

P.S. Dont even bother standing up when you see Written and  Directed by QT
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 06:42:31 PM
Yes, it was pretty violent, esp. in Chapter 5: Showdown in House of Blue Leaves(i believe it was ch. 5), but there is one really cool part, where QT does something that if he had not have done it there is no way it would get an R rating. Now, for the guy who saw it at the Boston screening, i really want him to see it now and tell us what was different from that cut if there was anything different at all.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 01, 2003, 07:40:42 PM
That was Pete. Yeah, Pete, PM us (me and EZ) and tell us what the most violent aspect of the print you saw was. I'm thinking that's the same print that got an R rating...I can't imagine it being any more violent.

Also, Uma in that international poster looks more like Aimee Mann than herself.
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 07:43:24 PM
hey pete, add me to that also.
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Post by: godardian on October 01, 2003, 09:36:36 PM
I saw this today. I just got back.

It "rocked," and I say that as both compliment and criticism. You won't be bored. Your eyes will pop with the camera and colors, your ears will hum with the noises and music . Geeks will be chortling and elbowing each other in the ribs on the half-second, what with all the wink-y little references crammed in. It's very, very impressive. I'm not quite sure if I truly like it (it seems designed to appeal to a type of person I'm not one of and not fond of, the type that makes a lot of noise in the theater and bellows, "Oh! That's gotta hurt!" during the big fight-scene moments) but I know I'm high on it right now. It's so surefooted and alive, it's hard to imagine anyone not being riveted, even if they hated it.

The anime sequence, like everything else in the film, is cool. Trouble is, it's only there to be cool. Quentin Tarantino is the coolest of the cool, but there's an extreme limitation to that. The film feels like the work of an autistic savant- brilliant but dangerously narrow.

It's a real cliffhanger,too; we're definitely not talking about two discrete entities, here. It's unequivocally incomplete.
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Post by: pete on October 01, 2003, 10:11:25 PM
huge spoilers.  highlight the text below to see them.


okay, re: the violence thing--we're talking about the black and white right?  Yeah it was black and white for the parts I saw it too.  I just saw a lot of limbs getting severed--there was also a blacked out screen the moment Uma bit someone's tongue off and stuff.  I was probably just thinking the subtle moments may have been taken out--like the number of limbs cut maybe?  I dunno, I bet QT will talk about his struggle against the big MPAA on talk shows soon enough.  Could you see Lucy's brain when she got scalped?  How about when that chick got her limbs severed?  Or how did Go-Go die?
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 01, 2003, 10:41:23 PM
All that stuff was still there, Pete! Hooray, the MPAA held no sway on this one.  Spoilers follow:


Go-Go gets a nail to the head and her eyes bleed. Lucy's scalping is in full effect, brain and all. Julie Drefuss' arm is severed and the stump gushes gratuitously. All the severed limbs are a sight to behold. The lip thing with the cut to black is there, too -- that initially led me to think that Quentin would only suggest the violence. Thank god he didn't! Also, when Oren-Shi chops off that guy's head, the blood gushes for at least thirty or forty seconds. Beautiful.

I love your review, Godardian. The best mixed review a movie could ever get.
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Post by: brockly on October 01, 2003, 11:25:21 PM
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These pics are part of the kill bill advertising campaign. found them at tarantino.info. funny shit, i love em. hopefully they'll get the film some wider recognition.
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 11:43:19 PM
Ghostboy and Pete:

Dont forget when GoGo removed the knife from that guy and his guts fell to the floor.

and Brock, ive seen those ads in the local paper here in houston: Houston Press
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Post by: brockly on October 01, 2003, 11:54:33 PM
well for those of you who don't live in US, like me
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Post by: edison on October 01, 2003, 11:59:08 PM
didnt mean it like that, just saying that the ads are out there generating interest is all, damn.
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Post by: brockly on October 02, 2003, 12:11:48 AM
and i didn't mean to offend you nor did i not understand why you were mentioning you saw it. no hard feelings
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Post by: edison on October 02, 2003, 12:32:43 AM
I mentioned it because you said "hopefully they'll (the ads) get the film some wider recognition," but i wasnt offended and now we are on the same page, so lets hold hands and skip away happily.
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Post by: brockly on October 02, 2003, 12:38:42 AM
you don't want to hold my hand, i just cumed into it.
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Post by: Cecil on October 02, 2003, 12:57:55 AM
i love this place
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Post by: Banky on October 02, 2003, 01:03:52 PM
http://www.joblo.com/index.php?id=2575
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Post by: pete on October 02, 2003, 03:40:04 PM
I just started reading the reviews on rottentomatoes.com.  I guess most of these critics who review movies the night they saw them are not the best ones to begin with, but I don't know why people think the movie is a "parody."  Just because it makes references to other movies and it's funny doesn't mean it's a parody.  And these critics also are unable to name anyone really aside from Karusawa and Sergio Leone as influences, like Kill Bill really had that much to do with Karusawa.  Then I got pissed when they called the 70's kungfu movies badly filmmed.  And I think most of everyone misses the fact that it's a chixploitation-revenge movie at heart (like I Spit On Your Grave et. al.).
I know the Xixax guys here who've seen it EEz and Ghostboy aren't amongst the guilty, but I'm just venting.  Feel my pain.
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 02, 2003, 03:57:45 PM
Quote from: peteFeel my pain.

I guess we could, but the rest of us haven't seen it yet. So feel our pain.
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Post by: edison on October 02, 2003, 04:31:03 PM
Quote from: peteI just started reading the reviews on rottentomatoes.com.  I guess most of these critics who review movies the night they saw them are not the best ones to begin with, but I don't know why people think the movie is a "parody."  Just because it makes references to other movies and it's funny doesn't mean it's a parody.  And these critics also are unable to name anyone really aside from Karusawa and Sergio Leone as influences, like Kill Bill really had that much to do with Karusawa.  Then I got pissed when they called the 70's kungfu movies badly filmmed.  And I think most of everyone misses the fact that it's a chixploitation-revenge movie at heart (like I Spit On Your Grave et. al.).
I know the Xixax guys here who've seen it EEz and Ghostboy aren't amongst the guilty, but I'm just venting.  Feel my pain.

I feel ya, theres this other board where they are already ripping on this film even though not a single one of those fuckers have seen it.
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Post by: pete on October 02, 2003, 08:10:34 PM
yeah EEz, you and me against the world.  Friends forever?
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 02, 2003, 11:28:08 PM
Quentin Tarantino Talks Kill Bill DVDs
Source: Empire Online

Empire Online talked to director Quentin Tarantino about what he's planning for the Kill Bill: Vol. 1 and Kill Bill: Vol. 2 DVDs.

"I can't imagine a better movie when it comes to great DVD stuff... We'll come up with separate DVDs for Volume 1 and Volume 2 and I'll do special stuff for each of those. Then we'll come up with a real big version with them both together but I won't repeat the special stuff I put on Volume 1 and Volume 2. I'll do something whole other from that. I might even do some other little movie thing just to go on that special double feature version."

He didn't reveal any details on what that other 'little movie' might be.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 02, 2003, 11:37:30 PM
Its nice QT is so thoughtful. It sucks he is purposely making them both different. For those who like it, weeks of lunch money is going to be gone. They'll all be forced to buy both. Still, I hope I like the films.

~rougerum
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Post by: edison on October 03, 2003, 12:31:08 AM
Quote from: peteyeah EEz, you and me against the world.  Friends forever?

yeah, forever
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 03, 2003, 01:37:18 AM
Bravo Channel's "Making Of Kill Bill" is up for viewing here. (http://www.themoviebox.net/trailers/kill-bill/making-of/)
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 03, 2003, 01:48:15 AM
Goddamnit, I know I'll be spending my lunch money on all three discs. Unless the extras on the first two really blow, in which case I'll just wait for the full version. But I doubt that will be the case.
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 03, 2003, 12:54:13 PM
Quote from: peteAnd these critics also are unable to name anyone really aside from Karusawa and Sergio Leone as influences, like Kill Bill really had that much to do with Karusawa.

TARANTINO ON IFC:
On IFC, starting this Friday (Oct. 3rd) Quentin Tarantino is going to be introducing several classic flicks in their "Samurai Action Fest." He'll be introducing Kurosawa's YOJIMBO and SEVEN SAMURAI among others.
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Post by: cine on October 03, 2003, 01:08:29 PM
CNN has an article calling this film a "girl power flick"...

?
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Post by: godardian on October 03, 2003, 03:57:34 PM
Quote from: CinephileCNN has an article calling this film a "girl power flick"...

?

A correct but myopic description. You sure get to see a lot of ass-kicking girls, but... it's also steeped in a lot of whatever else is rolling around in Tarantino's mind... Certainly, it has nowhere near the social aspect Jackie Brown had.
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Post by: pete on October 04, 2003, 01:02:34 AM
hollywood doesn't get too many feminist movies so any movie starring a chick is always titled a girl power movie.
I think critics in papers and on tv in general don't really know their film history that well so the reviews will probably get a lot of references to dumb shit americans have seen like the matrix, crouching tiger, akira, karusawa, and if they're REALLY cool, maybe Lone Wolf and the Cub.  And I bet most of these critics don't really respect the genres that Tarantino's working with either.
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Post by: Finn on October 04, 2003, 08:26:39 AM
Well, Ebert & Roeper have already reviewed this movie and gave it two big thumbs up calling it brilliant...and from what they said it did recieve the R rating.
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Post by: brockly on October 05, 2003, 01:47:50 AM
i just found out the house of blue leaves scene is being served in full colour in japan. is it only america that gets the black and white version, or is it all countries but japan? if so, is there gonna be a dvd release for the japanese version?
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Post by: Ravi on October 05, 2003, 09:19:40 PM
Fake Japanese poster:

http://www.aintitcool.com/image/killbilljapanesemockup.jpg

The picture of Uma must be from The Avengers.  Is that Kato and the Green Hornet in the background?

Man, this is going to be one long week.  I might have to watch the last fight scenes in Game of Death over and over to pass the time.
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Post by: Cecil on October 05, 2003, 10:56:24 PM
that weird logo kinda thing in the top left corner looks like a japanese nc-17 rating
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Post by: Fernando on October 06, 2003, 10:32:28 AM
Interviews with Lucy Lu (http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2003/miramax/killbill/lucy-interview.html) and Julie Dreyfus (http://www.latinoreview.com/films_2003/miramax/killbill/julie-interview.html) at LR.

More Interviews can be found at Joblo's (http://www.joblo.com/index.php).
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Post by: nix on October 06, 2003, 02:58:29 PM
Just got back from a free press screening and all I can say is WOW. I'll need to see it a few more times before I post a full review.

There was nothing after the credits at my screening! Has anyone else had this problem?
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 06, 2003, 03:12:23 PM
There's not anything at the very end of the credits, but I'm sure you know that after the first few credits, like writing and directing, there's an epilogue of sorts to volume 1.
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Post by: nix on October 06, 2003, 03:16:26 PM
They might have moved the credits because the one I saw had that before. If what you're talking about is what I think you're talking about. How do I do invisible ink, so I can ask you?
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Post by: brockly on October 06, 2003, 11:11:06 PM
Quote from: nixThey might have moved the credits because the one I saw had that before. If what you're talking about is what I think you're talking about. How do I do invisible ink, so I can ask you?

just pm
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Post by: nix on October 07, 2003, 12:03:12 PM
I figured it out.

On the print I saw the "epilouge" actually came before the written and directed by credits. That is to say, it just felt like the end instead of an epilouge.
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Post by: Finn on October 07, 2003, 03:36:46 PM
Kill Bill is Rated R for strong bloody violence, language and some sexual content. Hmm...
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Post by: edison on October 07, 2003, 04:07:58 PM
Quote from: SydneyKill Bill is Rated R for strong bloody violence, language and some sexual content. Hmm...

did you just now find that out?
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Post by: Finn on October 07, 2003, 04:23:14 PM
Yeah, my computer hasn't been working since Sunday afternoon.
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Post by: edison on October 07, 2003, 11:45:19 PM
but hasnt the rating been known for some time before sunday?
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Post by: Ravi on October 08, 2003, 12:27:23 AM
Anyone seen the Benihana commercial parodying Kill Bill?  It has a blonde woman in a robe fighting a Benihana chef.  Then they show that it was a dream of the woman, who is sitting at the table while the chef makes the food.  The music is almost identical to that of the Kill Bill ads.  

Benihana is a national chain, right?  Otherwise about 3 other people here know what I'm talking about and I'm wasting my time.
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Post by: Sleuth on October 08, 2003, 12:28:13 AM
I live in Houston and I saw that too
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Post by: edison on October 08, 2003, 12:32:47 AM
i also saw this the other night and i thought what the fuck? whatever gets people in the door i guess
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 08, 2003, 03:27:39 AM
I think it's a national chain -- I remember my parents going to it back in my early days in Milwaukee.

Not that Kill Bill needs any more recommendations, but I finally managed to write a predictably wordy review (http://www.road-dog-productions.com/killbill.html).
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Post by: Banky on October 08, 2003, 09:48:38 PM
http://tvplex.go.com/buenavista/ebertandroeper/mp3/031006_kill_bill_volume_i.mp3
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 09, 2003, 12:34:48 PM
The deal, Vol. 1
'Kill Bill' is now two films, and Miramax wants director Tarantino to chip in on the extra costs.
Source: Los Angeles Times

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Quentin Tarantino stands in front of a full house at Grauman's Chinese Theatre. It is the premiere of his long-awaited "Kill Bill" and a big day for Tarantino.

He is still presumably recovering from an inebriated appearance put in just a few hours earlier on "The Tonight Show With Jay Leno." (His publicist, Bumble Ward, says Tarantino was sober, although hungry and exhausted, when he arrived at the studio and sampled the refreshments while waiting to go on.) Now, Tarantino faces an audience that includes celebrities from Chris Rock to Dennis Hopper, eager to see his first film in six years.  
 
Sounding more like a rapper than a revered auteur making his return to the big screen, Tarantino tells the guests how he wanted to add a little spark to the occasion. First, he says, he considered releasing rats in the theater. Or stopping by "the 'hood" to invite some Crips and Bloods to attend. He then would offer the guests either red or blue colors and stand back to watch what came next.

But he does not play out either of these fantasies. Instead, he dutifully greets a group that won passes in a radio promotion, thanks his cast and lets the film roll.

Looking on nervously is Harvey Weinstein, the Miramax co-chairman who has stood gamely behind Tarantino during the arduous and prolonged filming of his much-anticipated fourth directing effort. Tarantino was supposed to film "Kill Bill" in 60 days. He ended up shooting for eight months and going dramatically over budget. At the end, he was awash in footage.

While that might cause tension between any filmmaker and studio — and fireworks when the personalities involved are as outsized as Tarantino's and Weinstein's — the two came to what appears to be a completely amicable solution: Break the film into two installments.

But that didn't mean all was settled. Just days before Friday's release of "Kill Bill Vol. 1," Tarantino and Weinstein have been involved in a behind-the-scenes conflict over — what else — money.

Weinstein has asked Tarantino and producer Lawrence Bender to agree to give up some of their compensation to help cover increased marketing costs — at least until Miramax finds out whether it's going to get its money back.

"We are looking to adjust a certain aspect of the deal, given the significant increase in the [marketing] budget, now that there are two films," Rick Sands, Miramax's chief operating officer, said in a written response to questions about the matter. Sands said Miramax would spend more to market just the first installment of the two-part series than it would have spent if "Kill Bill" had been a one-shot deal. The company might end up paying marketing costs of "$35 million and $25 million ... for Volumes 1 and 2, respectively," Sands said.

He added that "that there is a tremendous amount of respect, trust and collaboration between everyone. Quentin, Harvey, Lawrence all very much want this to be equitable and fair."

While most directors, or at least their agents, would outright reject such an after-the-fact renegotiation, nothing about "Kill Bill" is routine. And William Morris agent Mike Simpson, who represents Tarantino and Bender, says his clients are close to a deal with Miramax. He said they are cooperating because they want to ensure that Miramax will spend aggressively to market the two pictures.

"We could do nothing, but we wouldn't be acting like a good partner, and Miramax would have good reason to feel like they needed to hold back and look out for themselves," Simpson says.

"Kill Bill" is the stylishly told tale of a bride (Uma Thurman) who suffers a vicious attack by a gang of killers. The wedding party is massacred, and the bride is left for dead. But she isn't dead, of course, and "Kill Bill" spins the tale of her quest for vengeance. It pays extensive homage to martial-arts films and has been described by Tarantino, who declined to be interviewed, as "the movie of my geek movie dreams."

Replete with severed limbs and geysers of blood, "Kill Bill" is a festival of violence. On his Ain't It Cool News Web site, devoted "Kill Bill" fan Harry Knowles marvels at its reception from the Motion Picture Assn. of America. "Quentin dosed the MPAA," he exclaims joyously. "They had acid in their coffee the day they gave this film an R rating."

So graphic is the film that it raises questions about what it would take to get an NC-17 rating for violence.

Getting all that gore on film took time. As the grueling filming wore on, some in the industry started calling it "Tarantino's 'Apocalypse Now,' " alluding to Francis Ford Coppola's famously drawn-out shoot of his 1979 film. An executive involved in making the picture says the comparison is not on point. "It wasn't like he was in trouble," he says. "He just kept going."

Many were amazed that Weinstein, the famously hands-on co-chairman of Miramax who tried strenuously to rein in Martin Scorsese during the protracted making of "Gangs of New York," was willing to indulge Tarantino — as the executive put it — "to the hilt." Weinstein has explained his reticence by citing the outsized success of Tarantino's 1994 film "Pulp Fiction," which cost $8 million and grossed more than $100 million. The film was critical to establishing Miramax, and Weinstein refers to his company as "the House that Quentin built."

High-profile conflicts

A former company insider speculated that Weinstein had other reasons for leaving Tarantino to his own devices. At the time, Weinstein was embroiled in a number of high-profile conflicts — with director Julie Taymor over "Frida," with producer Scott Rudin over "The Hours" and with Scorsese over "Gangs."

"Harvey knew if you take Quentin on, if you try your typical strong-arming of Quentin, and he doesn't agree and it gets into the press, you're going to look bad," says the insider. "The one thing he wouldn't do was to take on Quentin."

The film, which the studio said was meant to cost a little more than $40 million, ended up costing more than $60 million.

Between that and the increased cost of marketing two films, Miramax was on the hook for a lot more money than planned, prompting the bid for renegotiation.

According to a prominent agent not directly involved with "Kill Bill," a studio will often insert a provision in a director's contract requiring the filmmaker to pay over-budget penalties. This is particularly true when a director has two of Hollywood's most coveted perks: the creative control of final-cut authority and a share in what is called "dollar-one gross" — that is, the film's profit before the studio recovers its costs.

Tarantino has a rich deal that includes first-dollar gross and final cut. And Miramax, which usually makes films with small to midsize budgets, does not generally seek a penalty provision in advance.

Former Fox chief Bill Mechanic, who routinely insisted on over-budget penalties with top directors, said he believed that trying to insert such a penalty after a film was shot would be virtually impossible.

Instead, Miramax is seeking to recoup by taking another tack — tying the renegotiation to marketing costs, not to the budget overage.

"It's not about going over budget; it's about [marketing] spending being quite a bit higher than it would have been if it was one movie," agent Simpson says.

Once Tarantino stopped shooting, it became clear to many involved that the story would have to be told in two installments.

Several of those who have seen it concur that the film, depicting a series of over-the-top revenge killings, would have been too long and numbing to absorb in one sitting. "Quentin definitely saw it being released as an epic," says the former Miramax executive. "But it was clear that keeping an audience engaged for that long a time didn't make sense. Everybody was in agreement. It's not 'The Godfather' .... Quentin sort of knew that."

Aside from higher-than-expected marketing costs, Miramax also had to increase the salary of the stars, such as Thurman, for appearing in two movies, according to a talent representative with direct knowledge of the situation. The representative says the renegotiation with the stars was only concluded at the beginning of this week. Had the studio failed to reach agreement, this representative said, the actors could have moved to block release of the second installment, scheduled for February. Miramax disputes that point.

Miramax is releasing "Kill Bill" at a delicate time. The company is already under pressure from Disney in part because it has released a spate of expensive films, some of which have failed. "View From the Top" with Gwyneth Paltrow was a flop that cost nearly $40 million. "Duplex," a film that went over budget and cost more than $60 million, sank like a stone.

Still to come this year is "Cold Mountain," starring Nicole Kidman and Jude Law. Industry sources estimate the budget at $90 million. Miramax said it cost about $12 million less because of tax breaks in Europe, where most of the film was shot. Still, the film is expensive, and its Civil War subject matter is grim.

As for "Kill Bill," audience surveys suggest that the first installment will have a strong opening. Its success beyond that is anyone's guess.
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Post by: ©brad on October 09, 2003, 12:56:29 PM
oh please. they are gonna be laughing all the way to the bank, what with the two installment thing, cuz anyone who sees the first is gonna see the second. kill bill volume one will cover all production costs alone, not to mention volume two, international grosses, dvd and video sales.

please. no sympathy.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 10, 2003, 04:56:49 AM
Quentin continues his four star trend with Roger Ebert. (http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-killbill10f.html)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pedro on October 10, 2003, 08:00:32 AM
Today.  
Pedro the Wombat will watch.
Uma Thurman.
Kill Bill.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on October 10, 2003, 09:46:45 AM
a link to probably one of the most poorly written reviews i have ever read.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/click/movie-1126182/reviews.php?critic=columns&sortby=default&page=5&rid=1205313
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Post by: Derek237 on October 10, 2003, 10:19:55 AM
I love that review. You'll never see "*thwapt thwapt thwapt*" in an Ebert review, that's for sure.
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Post by: Teen Wolf on October 10, 2003, 01:02:34 PM
I will try to see this tonight. If not, the matinee tomorrow. God, this is going to be a great weekend!
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Post by: Sleuth on October 10, 2003, 02:32:52 PM
I was trying really, really hard not to spend any money for a while but I know I'll see Kill Bill between now and monday :(



:-D ?
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Post by: Banky on October 10, 2003, 02:49:01 PM
i just got bak from it.  I would say it was good but not great.  I now i will probably be persicuted for this.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on October 10, 2003, 03:09:27 PM
minor spoilers.

u should have seen all the fanboys drooling at the 1:30 matinee this afternoon. i myself was drooling, esp. after that opening shot.

man did i dig this movie.

first thing to say, the photography. this is some of robert richardson's best work, if not the best. man, some of those shots!  esp. that long one reminiscent of the overhead shot in minority report. visually, the movie its stunning.

damn.

goes w/o saying that this movie is cool, the epitome of cool. and the coolest of all cool moments is the slo-mo walk of lucy lui w/ her posse. the crowd went nuts during that part.

i could go on and on- the anime sequence i didn't want to end, the hysterical interchange in the sushi bar, the beautiful exterior shots of the garden w/ the snow falling, the music... anyhow, its all chilling. im no good at movie reviews.

i dunno. my mind is a little fuzzy at the moment. perhaps after a second viewing and a day or so to think about it ill have a better understanding.
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Post by: markums2k on October 10, 2003, 04:10:24 PM
Quote from: ©badminor spoilers.

u should have seen all the fanboys drooling at the 1:30 matinee this afternoon. i myself was drooling, esp. after that opening shot.

man did i dig this movie.

first thing to say, the photography. this is some of robert richardson's best work, if not his best. man, some of those shots!  esp. that long one reminiscent of the overhead shot in minority report. visually, the movie its stunning.

damn.

goes w/o saying that this movie is cool, the epitome of cool. and the coolest of all cool moments in it is the slo-mo walk of lucy lui w/ her posse. the crowd went nuts during that part.

i could go on and on- the anime sequence i didn't want to end, the hysterical interchange in the sushi bar, the beautiful exterior shots of the garden w/ the snow falling, the music... anyhow, its all chilling. im no good at movie reviews.

i dunno. my mind is a little fuzzy at the moment. perhaps after a second viewing and a day or so to think about it ill have a better understanding.

Your enthusiasm makes me all warm inside.  :-D
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Post by: cine on October 10, 2003, 04:11:54 PM
Saw the film a couple hours ago. Best movie I've seen this year. The action puts the Matrix films to shame. When watching this film and how people move and then comparing it to how Neo bends backwards or soars around.. makes Matrix look really goofy to this. This was PURE fuckin' filmmaking and I couldn't stop thinking about that during the film. Tarantino at his directing best. Very, very simple story yet so incredibly compelling. That's what makes it a 4 star film.

Spoilers:

Vivica A. Fox's kitchen scene was fucking fantastic. It only scratched the surface on how brutal the film was going to be. I was actually expecting a cool knife fight scene at the ball park. Silly me. This Quentin fuckin' Tarantino here. The Samurai traditions is this film were so great, and the cool thing Tarantino did was, I guess sort of Americanize it in the speech.. when Bill tells Hannah's character that it would lower them to just kill her right there. God, I was so fucking into this movie. I'll probably type more later because all I can think about was the passionate filmmaking and the amazing score. Oh, and the credits were cool as he gave special thanks to Robert Rodriguez "My Brother" and Peter Bogdanovich, among others. Also an RIP for Charles Bronson and Japanese actors/filmmakers.. not sure who they were.. I'm seeing this again REAL soon.
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Post by: Finn on October 10, 2003, 04:12:25 PM
This is a great movie! Easily Quentin's best since Pulp Fiction. It's extremly creative, artistic and just plain brilliant. All of the fight scenes are astonishing and yes, very violent. The animated sequence was probably the most graphic and very hard to watch. But some of the action scenes are very funny because they look so fake (hopefully that was the intention). Best movie of the year, can't wait for volume 2!
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 10, 2003, 04:16:04 PM
Quote from: CinephileThe action puts the Matrix films to shame. When watching this film and how people move and then comparing it to how Neo bends backwards or soars around.. makes Matrix look really goofy to this.

So what you're saying is the same action/fight choreographer for both sets of movies topped himself with this film.
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Post by: prophet on October 10, 2003, 04:24:58 PM
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whad you know about wrasalning pictures?
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Post by: ProgWRX on October 10, 2003, 04:27:10 PM
I saw it last night, and even though im not a huge fan of QT, i thought it was great!

I really enjoyed everything about it...

The cinematography in the kitchen scene looked like totally like Janusz Kaminski's work, almost as if it were a nod to his back-lit/blown highlights (i dont know if these terms are correct im just trying to describe how i see it). The pacing and editing is masterful, IMO. And i really loved the way the storyline was all over the place..
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: cine on October 10, 2003, 04:27:14 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: CinephileThe action puts the Matrix films to shame. When watching this film and how people move and then comparing it to how Neo bends backwards or soars around.. makes Matrix look really goofy to this.

So what you're saying is the same action/fight choreographer for both sets of movies topped himself with this film.

Yes. They're two different styles, and this one puts the other to shame. Obviously both were great jobs but I'd think people will enjoy the action in this more.
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Post by: Ravi on October 10, 2003, 05:24:11 PM
I enjoyed it immensely, right from the opening ShawScope logo.  Even some of the background music is reminiscent of 1970s kung fu films.  I liked how Tarantino even referenced Pulp Fiction a few times.  I would have enjoyed a 3 hour cut.  Maybe volumes 1 and 2 will be available on DVD as one feature.

Was the black and white portion made that way to avoid an NC-17?
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Post by: Finn on October 10, 2003, 05:28:40 PM
I'm not sure about that, but I know the animation sequence probably was because if it wasn't animated, it would get a very hard NC-17.
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Post by: Rudie Obias on October 10, 2003, 06:33:10 PM
i'm think in march or so, many movie theaters are gonna show both vol. 1 and 2 back to back.  this wold be great!  i know that one theater by me is going to show all 3 lotrs back to back to back in december or january!!

KILL BILL is great!  i actually like it better than RD.  and i can't wait to see vol. 2.  i was glad to see QT give a nod to kinji fukusawu.  definately bloody as hell and not burnt to a crisp!

*rudie*
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Post by: Rudie Obias on October 10, 2003, 06:52:41 PM
Quote from: RaviI would have enjoyed a 3 hour cut.  Maybe volumes 1 and 2 will be available on DVD as one feature.

Speaking to British film site Empire Online, filmmaker Quentin Tarantino revealed some of his plans for the eventual DVD release of his newest opus, Kill Bill. Here's the word directly from the man himself:

"I'm thinking about it big time already," he said. "I can't imagine a better movie when it comes to great DVD stuff. I'm gonna really play fair as far as the DVD's concerned, you know? We'll come up with separate DVDs for Volume 1 and Volume 2 and I'll do special stuff for each of those. Then we'll come up with a real big version with them both together but I won't repeat the special stuff I put on Volume 1 and Volume 2. I'll do something whole other from that. I might even do some other little movie thing just to go on that special double feature version. I'm all about being a collector man. You know? Come out with all the different junk you can."
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Post by: Ernie on October 10, 2003, 06:57:20 PM
Wow, this movie kicked my fucking ass. I LOVED it!!! I seriously haven't stopped thinking about it since the end credits rolled. It surpassed my expectations in every way as cliche as that might sound. It was really much different than I expected to be honest, it was much more dark and serious. I figured it would be a little more cartoonish...I expected more blood shooting out of wounds and cheesy stuff like that. There was a bunch of that stuff of course...but not too much I don't think. Not as much as I was led to believe there would be. Which is good! Don't get me wrong, I didn't want a lot of that stuff! I didn't want too much of it at all actually. On top of the unexpected darkness it had, there was also this BEAUTY that was there, like in every frame...just this passion that never went away, you know!? Like in the music, THAT was fucking beautiful. I didn't expect ANY of it to be so beautiful. One of the best soundtracks I've ever heard, hands down. Um, then there was the constant energy. I literally jumped twice in the first 10-15 minutes of the movie...literally, almost out of my seat. The suspense killed me. I almost walked out of the theatre after a certain scene early on. I LOVED IT...but it was almost too much. I'm officially glad it was cut into two parts cause this was about as much as I could take. The Tarantino-ness was there, I saw it at least. It had that COOL feel to it, that just gave me chillls. I got chills all throught the movie, like I do with any great movie. It really fucked me up, I loved it....GREAT FILM...one of the best of the year! One of the best, KILLER endings I've ever seen...I'll say no more about it.

By the way, anybody else obsessed with finding more French-Japanese women??? God, that girl was fucking gorgeous. What a great, unique combination.
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Post by: md on October 10, 2003, 06:58:28 PM
just saw kill bill in a very unpacked theater, granted it was at the 230 showing and its kinda a small town.  The movie is amazing.  simply put.  amazing.  This movie is an americanized japanese movie, with the humor, the extreme fake looking goriness.  The humor to this movie kept reminding me of austin powers.  The obvious physical humor that is.  Lucy lui is hot as hell.  Acting is great.  Dialogue is great.  Really just a well put together movie in general.
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Post by: Finn on October 10, 2003, 07:01:54 PM
I was kind of surprised that there weren't very many people in the theater when I saw it. I bet it'll be packed tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does at the box office and how the audience will react to it. There maybe some walk-outs tonight, who knows? :?
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 10, 2003, 07:05:33 PM
Well well well.  Just got back from the movie.  First thing I have to say is: that motherfucker is insane.  In a good way.  I have to see it again soon, mostly because I build up expectations and know too much going in-- then have strange reactions (Am I the only who does this?).  What I found most refreshing was that there was this feeling that at any moment, Quentin could do whatever he wanted.  And he did.  It breaks all the rules spectacularly.  
I've heard gripes about the famous Tarantino dialogue being absent.  Sure, it mostly is, but that's fine.   I kinda felt that KB is the exact opposite of Jackie Brown-- which is all talk, almost no 'action'.  People griped, Q turned the tables.
My only *complaints* are some seemingly needless scenes (the sake bit goes on too long, Michael Parks' scene), and I really wish we would have gotten the full color battle.  Oh well, that's just nitpicking.  But overall, I really enjoyed it.
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Post by: Ravi on October 10, 2003, 07:24:33 PM
Quote from: SydneyI was kind of surprised that there weren't very many people in the theater when I saw it. I bet it'll be packed tonight. I'm looking forward to seeing how it does at the box office and how the audience will react to it. There maybe some walk-outs tonight, who knows? :?

I bet college and high school guys will love this film, whether or not they know about the influences.  Maybe even the girls, given that a woman is the main character and she kicks everyone's asses.  I went to a 1:45pm showing and more people were in the theater than I expected.  What competition does it have for this week, Good Boy?

Quote from: ebeaman
By the way, anybody else obsessed with finding more French-Japanese women??? God, that girl was fucking gorgeous. What a great, unique combination.

Her name is Julie Dreyfus.  When I saw her credit at the beginning I thought, "Elaine is in this?"  :)

Lucy Liu, you have made up for Charlie's Angels.
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Post by: brockly on October 10, 2003, 08:48:49 PM
aww, kill bill got 18+ in Australia.  :( I will have to end my life if i can't figure out a way to get in. anyone got any strategies?
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Post by: Banky on October 10, 2003, 08:51:44 PM
Quote from: Brock Landersaww, kill bill got 18+ in Australia. :( I will have to end my life if i can't figure out a way to get in. anyone got any strategies?

yeah, wait fir it on video
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Post by: brockly on October 10, 2003, 08:54:39 PM
Quote from: Banky
Quote from: Brock Landersaww, kill bill got 18+ in Australia. :( I will have to end my life if i can't figure out a way to get in. anyone got any strategies?

yeah, wait fir it on video

:shock: dude..... dude........... don't make me kill you
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Post by: ©brad on October 10, 2003, 09:46:38 PM
i just picked up the soundtrack and it is excellent. the songs r in order as they r in the movie. i luv the sinatra song that was under the title sequence.
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 10, 2003, 10:35:20 PM
Shit Yeah!  This was great!
The two dipshit women next to me left twenty minutes into and the audience was mostly missing the funniest jokes (my wife and I had to cover our mouths, we were laughing in a silent theater during the kitchen scene).  

The Ennio Morricone rip-off score was fucking amazing... worth seeing the movie by itself, but there are so many other reasons it rules.

I've thought about it though... I don't know if I could take a 4 hour version.  like both back to back?

How different would this be if it were one movie?

Did anyone see a trailer after the credits?  I was told there was like a preview or something at the end, but we got nothin'
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Post by: lamas on October 10, 2003, 10:58:29 PM
Everyone in my area must be unemployed or something because I went to a 2:30 show and the theater was packed.  What kind of dumbasses bring their little kids (who proceed to whine throughout) to KILL BILL?!  Pretty cool to see the old ShawScope logo at the beginning.  Not as violent as I would've thought based on what I had heard other people say.  The violence was comical more than anything else.  The anime was very brutal though.  The RZA produced a nice score.  The high-pitched synthesizers during the flashbacks were just ill!  The whole movie was just a great homage to old-school kung fu flicks.  I think alot of people who go in expecting anything but that will be very disappointed.  And I'm VERY pissed that the film had to be broken into two parts.  There's no real cliffhanger and it just doesn't feel like a complete picture.  (Though that might be because I read the rough draft of the screenplay and I kinda know how it's gonna end.  I'm never reading a screenplay before I see the movie again!)  Definitely looking forward to Vol. 2.
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Post by: lamas on October 10, 2003, 11:04:28 PM
RK, I could definitely take a 3+ hour version.  I felt that just as momentum started to build and was at a high point it just stopped.  That sucked!  What a ripoff!  No more splitting movies up into smaller ones!  I stayed until the credits ended and I didn't see any trailer, previews, epilogue or anything.  I noticed a few walk-outs too.
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Post by: Pas on October 10, 2003, 11:04:54 PM
I hated this movie ... so bad... CAUSE I LIVE IN OPPOSITES WORLD ! HAHAHA GOTCHA !

Fuck that was the best time I've had at a theater since maybe Jurassic Park when I was like 10 or 11. The crowd was awesome and people laughed at the right time which is fuckin rare.

The violence brought back my inner child...sweet.

I don't have anything to say about this movie. It is perfect.
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Post by: modage on October 10, 2003, 11:20:12 PM
goddamn.  i was worried about this not living up to impossible expectations, but it blew them out of the water.  i pretty much agree with what everyone else has said here.  this is the fucking movie.  as soon as it was over my girlfriend and i walked into another theatre where it started right up again and watched it a second time.  fucking ruled.  goddamn, hard to describe.  i loved the violence. i loved the music. i loved the anime sequence (which i had been worried about). i loved the cinematography, god did i love the cinematography.  and i thought uma was great.  its like tarantino is playing a whole different ballgame from other directors.  its hardly even the same sport.  it ruled my fucking world.  more later.
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Post by: Pas on October 10, 2003, 11:22:12 PM
You mean you're girlfriend actually wanted to see it again ?!

Wow. You're a lucky bastard. My imaginary girlfriend walked right out when Uma got her head blown off.  :cry:
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Post by: Alethia on October 10, 2003, 11:24:11 PM
i had to miss this tonight, but me and my girlfriend are getting up bright and early tomorrow morning (well, actually, THIS morning, seeing the time it is and whatnot), going to breakfast, and seeing the first showing at the spectrum.  and im about to shit myself, im so fucking excited.

EDIT: it says 10:24 on the thing, but where I live it is 12:24, just to clarify.....
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Post by: Banky on October 10, 2003, 11:25:01 PM
i liked the movie but it sems like some of you are voer-praising it
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Post by: neatahwanta on October 10, 2003, 11:51:00 PM
I don't think this flick can be over praised/

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Title: wow
Post by: SHAFTR on October 10, 2003, 11:59:23 PM
After buying tickets online for the 3:45 show I was very disappointed when b/c of traffic I was unable to arrive on time.  

At 7, with my g/f being dragged along, I went to the same theatre and they redeemed by 3:45 tickets, and I got to see it on the ultrascreen.  
First off, this film was great, amazing, blew me away.  I am pretty sure I felt every emotion during the film.  The fight scenes were very long but not matrix reloaded too long.  I want to see Vol 1 again and I want to see Vol 2 right now.  I think it works perfect as one film, that ending....wow just amazing.  The opening, wow just amazing.  The anime, wow just amazing.  This film is an example of when a filmmaker on top of his craft decides to experiment and pulls it off.  

Edit:
Anyone notice the acronym of the team of assasins.
Deadly Viper Assassination Squad = DVAS (DiVAS)

I just read Ebert's review, this is pretty much what I thought:
http://suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-killbill10f.html
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Post by: lamas on October 11, 2003, 12:04:37 AM
I forgot to ask, whatever happened to the supposed Lars from Metallica/RZA collaborations?  The RZA was the only one with new music for the score right?
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 11, 2003, 12:14:32 AM
Just got back from seeing it again. Goddamn is it great. Banky, I can't speak for anyone else, but I'm not overpraising it in my opinion. There are two films so far this year that I can't overpraise -- Lost In Translation and this.

The only problem I noticed with it this time around was that the animation might have been better if it ended before the rooftop assasination. But that's only like forty five seconds, and heck, it's still damn cool.

Two couples left...one right after Vivica got it and the other two during the anime. Everyone else seemed into it...some more than others.
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Post by: tpfkabi on October 11, 2003, 12:32:08 AM
there were two walk outs......both were parents who brought younger kids.........what were you thinking?
good, good stuff.
uma is so hot.......something about that yellow

so most of the instrumental stuff is RZA? i really liked it. he was a perfect fit since WuTang always had a big kung fu influence in all their stuff.

do we need to start a thread for people who have seen it? i hate to have to give the spoiler alert all the time

*spoiler*
i could not believe the whole hospital scene involving time with a comatose patient (still kind of vague for someone who hasn't seen it)........i had my hand over my gaping mouth for that
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Post by: Steve McQueen's ghost on October 11, 2003, 12:34:40 AM
OMG!!!!! Tarantino is back..... I mean he's REALLY back!!! I love this movie.
Title: HOLY SHIT
Post by: DigitalFriend on October 11, 2003, 01:02:22 AM
Just got back from it.  packed crowd.  This movie fucking ruled, not many movies can get me feeling giddy as hell and this one did.  Everything was awesome. Man, I'm not really adding anything to this thread, but I just wanted to say, fuck man it was good.
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 01:04:22 AM
Quote from: Brock Landersaww, kill bill got 18+ in Australia.  :( I will have to end my life if i can't figure out a way to get in. anyone got any strategies?

Yep. Get a ticket for 'Good Boy' and. . .
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Post by: Rudie Obias on October 11, 2003, 01:35:16 AM
i really liked how go go yubari was the same actress who played chigusa in BATTLE ROYALE.
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Post by: brockly on October 11, 2003, 01:47:01 AM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: Brock Landersaww, kill bill got 18+ in Australia.  :( I will have to end my life if i can't figure out a way to get in. anyone got any strategies?

Yep. Get a ticket for 'Good Boy' and. . .

yah, i was thinking that too, but i want to go see it on the mega-screen which is right at the front of the hall and it'll be too easy for them to spot me. thanks for the idea though.

i got an 18 year old friend who looks kind of like me. ill just borrow his ID, should pass.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 11, 2003, 01:51:56 AM
I haven't felt this happy leaving a movie theatre since seeing Punch-Drunk Love (and maybe About a Boy).
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Post by: smash on October 11, 2003, 02:17:14 AM
Just saw it tonight too and I loved it.  The stylized action and the amazing cinematography was fantastic.  I enjoyed it so much that I've already planned a second viewing on Saturday night
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Post by: brockly on October 11, 2003, 02:26:11 AM
Quote from: SHAFTRI haven't felt this happy leaving a movie theatre since seeing Punch-Drunk Love
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Post by: Ravi on October 11, 2003, 03:09:57 AM
Quote from: smashJust saw it tonight too and I loved it.  The stylized action and the amazing cinematography was fantastic.  I enjoyed it so much that I've already planned a second viewing on Saturday night

I'm going to see it again, but I don't konw if I want to see it tomrorow.  Maybe in a week or two.

February cannot come soon enough.
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Post by: Pas on October 11, 2003, 07:42:41 AM
I heard someone say : "Old school yet revolutionary" Great way to describe the feeling I got too.
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Post by: Alethia on October 11, 2003, 07:52:51 AM
4 hours till i see it.  i feel so left out.
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Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 11, 2003, 08:13:48 AM
Quote from: Pas RapportI heard someone say : "Old school yet revolutionary" Great way to describe the feeling I got too.

That's so true!
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Post by: edison on October 11, 2003, 08:48:56 AM
ok, for all those who are confused as to why we were all saying before the film came out to wait for the epilogue heres Harry with a reason why those who saw it opening night and possibly a few days before were confused:

When I saw the film at the 'critics screening' here in Austin, it was slightly different from the screening I had this Wednesday. Originally - after the "trunk" shot looking up at the Motorcycle Helmet Uma... the "Written & Directed By Quentin Tarantino" credit came up... a couple of other credits passed, then that shot of the Airplane flying and Uma and the notebook occured. These scenes are no longer after a few credits, but now play all the way through as a cohesive part of the film. I can only assume that after my review went up where I reported that some critics left immediately after seeing the "Written & Directed by QT" credit... that Miramax, Quentin, somebody decided to make sure this wouldn't happen again, as it is integral to the film and not the standard insignificant "easter egg". Don't worry - if you have seen KILL BILL VOL 1 - you saw all the stuff I saw originally... just not divided up a bit by credits.

HAHAHA, i got to see it the original way it was presented and from reading what the film does now, they should have left it the other way, made much more of an impact, sucks that people are retarded and have to leave the second the screen goes to credits, just keep your ass in your chair.
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Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 11, 2003, 09:23:44 AM
yeah that really does suck... I can imagine it now...
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Post by: edison on October 11, 2003, 09:34:30 AM
Spoliers*******






Now that most of you have seen it it's time for me to write down what i loved in this film:

EVERYTHING!!

but more specifically:

the music was awesome, love the tune that plays when Uma does her stare-down-im-gonna-fucking-kill-you look and the camera zooms in.

Those two one take shots in the House of Blue Leaves, one goes around the room up across the celing into the bathroom, and the other comes out of the bathroom to the center.

Just hearing Bill's voice, he could actually go on the enitre film like that, his voice is so cool, and really intimidating, wonder how it would have been had Warren Betty been cast instead as once stated he was going to be.

How Uma's characters name is bleeped, funny shit there, wish theyu had done it a few more times, it was only done like 3x from what i can remember

Julie Dreyfus, hot damn, shes fine!!!!!!!!

ok, a question:

1. Why did Vivica miss shooting Uma she was like 5 feet away? I though that was weird, but i blew it off when well, you know what happens after that, really cool finish that Uma gave Vivica by the way.

oh yeah, and for those who dont know, and im not sure if it was posted on here but if it was that oh well im going to say it again: the part when Uma slices the baseball, that was really done, there is no digital work done there, her sword double actually did that numerous times.
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Post by: smash on October 11, 2003, 09:55:21 AM
Quote from: EEz28Spoliers*******



the music was awesome, love the tune that plays when Uma does her stare-down-im-gonna-fucking-kill-you look and the camera zooms in.
Yeah, I LOVED the music during these parts.  Is this part on the Soundtrack, because it just seemed like a short diddy and I wasn't sure if they would include it or not...

Oh man...I'm so excited to see it again tonight.
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Post by: edison on October 11, 2003, 10:30:51 AM
Quote from: smash
Quote from: EEz28Spoliers*******



the music was awesome, love the tune that plays when Uma does her stare-down-im-gonna-fucking-kill-you look and the camera zooms in.
Yeah, I LOVED the music during these parts.  Is this part on the Soundtrack, because it just seemed like a short diddy and I wasn't sure if they would include it or not...

Oh man...I'm so excited to see it again tonight.

Some motherfucker is gonna die if its not on there, countless times i have bought a cd for a specific song or two and they have not been on there, i should be getting this in the mail today or monday, cant wait!!
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Post by: lamas on October 11, 2003, 10:37:39 AM
yeah, volume 1 did a great job of building up Bill as this mysterious pimp-like sweet-talking character.  it's no wonder tarantino wanted beatty for the part.
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Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 11, 2003, 10:53:48 AM
Yeah, Warren would have been great for that role, but David Carradine did a great job, I thought.
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Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 11:02:35 AM
QUESTIONS ONLY FOR THOSE THAT HAVE SEEN IT..............











1. What about the ending though!? I can't believe I'm the only one that's mentioned that so far! That was fucking AMAZING! I didn't expect that at all, not the least bit. That long take of her crying about her loss when she first wakes up in the hospital bed totally convinced me that her baby was gone for good. WOW! I still get the chills. That is so much better than ANYTHING M. Night Shyamalan has ever done or will ever do as far as twists go. It's not a gimmick with Quentin either like it is with Night, that's what makes it all the more great. What did everybody else think?

2. Who does that "Nobody But You" song during the BIG fight with Uma and O-Ren's guards? I love that song. Is it The Turtles?

3. Did Ennio Morricone really do portions of the score or is it all RZA?
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Post by: Finn on October 11, 2003, 11:10:43 AM
When Kill Bill comes out on DVD, we should totally have a chat on it! :lol:
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Post by: Pas on October 11, 2003, 11:14:54 AM
Quote from: ebeaman1. What about the ending though!? I can't believe I'm the only one that's mentioned that so far! That was fucking AMAZING! I didn't expect that at all, not the least bit.

It's probably just because you didn't try to think about it. As soon as we saw she was pregnant during the wedding, someone beside me said to his friend : "I bet her child is alive". Hehe
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Post by: Pas on October 11, 2003, 11:15:11 AM
Quote from: SydneyWhen Kill Bill comes out on DVD, we should totally have a chat on it! :lol:

Hahahaha !
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Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 11:29:04 AM
Oh yeah, does anybody know if they're going to be releasing a different soundtrack for part II? I don't have the one that's out now so I don't know if they only used half of those tracks and are using the other half on part II or if it's only the soundtrack of part I. I wanna know if I can download the whole thing and indulge without ruining any of part II or if I can only download certain songs. I wanna hear part II's music for the first time when I see it.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 11, 2003, 12:31:04 PM
Quote from: EEz28
the music was awesome, love the tune that plays when Uma does her stare-down-im-gonna-fucking-kill-you look and the camera zooms in.

Those stingers are on the soundtrack...the only thing that I think is missing from the soundtrack is that crazy tribal Japansese thing when all the Crazy 88s run into the room (it's also on one of the bootleg trailers). There will clearly be a second soundtrack for volume 2.


Quote
Those two one take shots in the House of Blue Leaves, one goes around the room up across the celing into the bathroom, and the other comes out of the bathroom to the center.

That's actually one shot (if I understand you correctly). Where it follows her into the bathroom, then goes out and upstairs, catches up with Julia Drefuss and follows her back in? That one looks like there's a cut, but there's not.
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Post by: Banky on October 11, 2003, 12:34:21 PM
i must need to see this film again because i really didnt have the same expereince most of you did.  I mean i liked it but some parts just seemed to drag and i wasnt a fan of some of the dialoge.  i really hated the fucking black and white bullshit. And everyone needs to stop say "Wow the fights were way better than that matrix crap" they werent so get over that shit.  

I liked the movie i thought it was good but i mean i dont know...........................................................................

quote me
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Post by: ksmc on October 11, 2003, 12:46:57 PM
There were a few parts that I liked, but overall it lacked the spirit of other Tarantino films in my opinion. I left the theater pretty disappointed.
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Post by: edison on October 11, 2003, 01:04:57 PM
I think when people are talking about the fight scenes they are probably referring to how Matrix had to resort to CGI, esp. during the Burly Brawl, and i didnt once see anything like that during KB, but i could be wrong, but i will agree that Matrix had better fights but i like the realism of KB, not just the standard punch-punch-block-flip-block-hit-blah-blah.
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 01:38:25 PM
Quote from: Banky
I would say it was good but not great.
i really didnt have the same expereince most of you did.  
I mean i liked it but some parts just seemed to drag.  
i really hated the fucking black and white bullshit.
Everyone needs to stop say "Wow the fights were way better than that matrix crap" they werent so get over that shit.  

I liked the movie i thought it was good but i mean i dont know...........................................................................

quote me
Case in point, your views are so negative compared to mine that I can't take your matrix comment to heart.. opinions are opinions and i also loved the realism of them. I mean, hey, QT would at least agree with me. :wink:

Other stuff I loved in the film
the Charlie Brown stuff..
Buck.. and he likes to fuck.. (SLAM)
and did anyone notice that the guy who comes in to fuck Uma is Sandler's friend who played small roles in Waterboy (the lurch-like idiot) and Big Daddy (one of his lawyer friends, i think)..
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Post by: Pedro on October 11, 2003, 02:13:43 PM
Banky, I can see why you thought that it dragged, but I do feel as an overall film, it's anything but slow.  I really loved it and thought that the fighting made up for every flaw...

I'd like to know why the fighting in the matrix was superior to this.  Please, elaborate.
Title: ...
Post by: 1976 on October 11, 2003, 02:41:38 PM
Samuel L. Jackson is in this movie.
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Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 11, 2003, 02:45:53 PM
Quote from: Banky
I would say it was good but not great.
i really didnt have the same expereince most of you did.  
I mean i liked it but some parts just seemed to drag.  
i really hated the fucking black and white bullshit.
Everyone needs to stop say "Wow the fights were way better than that matrix crap" they werent so get over that shit.  

I liked the movie i thought it was good but i mean i dont know...........................................................................

quote me

I normally agree with you, Banky.  Especially on AV's.

But I was completely riveted with the cinemtography, fast-paced well choregraphed action and Uma Thurman's body.

I don't want to talk this up a whole lot for those of you who haven't seen it (like it won't be anyway) but I certainly cannot speak badly about it in any way.

Never have I been so refreshed walking out of a movie theater since Punch Drunk Love.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 11, 2003, 02:50:29 PM
Quote from: Pedro the WombatI'd like to know why the fighting in the matrix was superior to this.  Please, elaborate.

I don't want to get into a whole Matrix/KB argument, but I do agree that fights scenes in both Matrix flicks are *better*, but that's not to say I don't love what KB has to offer.  

To boil it down simply: I think the Wachowski's have a better handle on their shot selection and the staging/choreography.  The shots are carefully planned out, each part flows into the other, and you get a real sense of where the actors (or I guess, cg characters) are in the location.  I felt a little disoriented in the KB fights at times.  Sadly, I think the O-Ren/Bride duel was mis-shot in the finale (held too long on the wide shot before the um, 'end' of it) and I was left a little confused.  Aside from that, I think Wachowski's also have a great handle on the use of music during fights, and know how to heighten the moments.  The fights essentially are musical numbers and have the rythyms/pace of a song.  

I don't know if that makes any sense.  But there's my 2 cents.
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 02:52:23 PM
Quote from: Walrus, KooKookajoob
Never have I been so refreshed walking out of a movie theater since Punch Drunk Love.
For me, it was Lost in Translation.. which says this is a damn good movie season.
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Post by: Pedro on October 11, 2003, 03:06:16 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
Quote from: Pedro the WombatI'd like to know why the fighting in the matrix was superior to this.  Please, elaborate.

I don't want to get into a whole Matrix/KB argument, but I do agree that fights scenes in both Matrix flicks are *better*, but that's not to say I don't love what KB has to offer.  

To boil it down simply: I think the Wachowski's have a better handle on their shot selection and the staging/choreography.  The shots are carefully planned out, each part flows into the other, and you get a real sense of where the actors (or I guess, cg characters) are in the location.  I felt a little disoriented in the KB fights at times.  Sadly, I think the O-Ren/Bride duel was mis-shot in the finale (held too long on the wide shot before the um, 'end' of it) and I was left a little confused.  Aside from that, I think Wachowski's also have a great handle on the use of music during fights, and know how to heighten the moments.  The fights essentially are musical numbers and have the rythyms/pace of a song.  

I don't know if that makes any sense.  But there's my 2 cents.
**SPOILERS**
That all makes a lot of sense, and I mostly agree, but something about me still perfers KB's stuff...I guess the sense of disorder added something for me...but I still think he was able to be beautiful with it...like the silhouetted fight infront of the blue background.  I found that phonomenal...

but what i loved the most out of this movie was the opening...the high contrast B&W.  the dialogue.  the shot.  i jumped like 10 feet...and i knew what was gonna happen too,
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Post by: Alethia on October 11, 2003, 03:07:46 PM
just got back from seeing it.  i cant say anything that hasn't been said yet.  one of the best movies of the year.
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Post by: MacGuffin on October 11, 2003, 03:20:31 PM
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Quentin Tarantino's sanity has been debated more than once in the past couple of years. In fact, nearly everyone who has been questioned about his first film in six years, ''Kill Bill'' -- a production that was so prolonged, freewheeling, and downright goofy that the crew called it ''the traveling circus'' -- has responded with a bemused question of their own. And that question is: Has Tarantino, the star filmmaker behind such cultural touchstones as ''Reservoir Dogs'' and ''Pulp Fiction,'' lost his mind?

''He has this free style and it's terrific, but the movie was totally out of control,'' says Uma Thurman, who stars as an assassin called ''The Bride'' in ''Kill Bill,'' a two-part revenge thriller (''Volume 1'' opens Oct. 10, followed by ''Volume 2'' on Feb. 20). ''It was a wild ride. But that's Quentin.''

Actually, it was his old friend Thurman who inspired Tarantino, 40, to pen the script that became ''Kill Bill.'' At the Miramax Oscar party in March 2000, the actress asked Tarantino, who'd virtually disappeared after making 1997's ''Jackie Brown,'' about an old revenge movie they had cooked up in a bar while shooting ''Pulp Fiction.'' Tarantino's interest flared -- for her 30th birthday, he promised Thurman that she'd have a screenplay in three weeks.

A year and a half later, he was done.

Thurman's birthday gift turned out to be a doorstop of a script (222 pages) that told the story of a character named only The Bride, who takes a bullet to the head on her wedding day, recovers, and goes on a kill-happy rampage, visiting revenge on her former lover Bill and his team of sexy hired guns, the Deadly Viper Assassination Squad (DiVAS). (The similarity between the DiVAS and ''Fox Force Five,'' the fictitious martial-arts TV show Thurman describes in ''Pulp Fiction,'' is far from unintentional.) It was a thin, bloody story with near-endless action sequences and countless stylized touches.

''A cruel older brother, that's what he's like,'' laughs Thurman. ''Me, in the dirt, with blood everywhere is his favorite thing in the world. He wants to rough me up every day. He wants to see me mad. But she's just a great part: She's a fierce, heartbreaking American girl who's very good with a sharp-edged weapon. What's not to love?''

''In one scene, I'm in a car trunk,'' says Julie Dreyfus, who plays a DiVAS associate named Sofie Fatale. ''And the makeup artist was spraying my face with a few droplets of blood and Quentin just stood there saying, 'More.' And she puts on a little bit more and he's like, 'NO! MORE!' Finally, he picks up -- I swear -- five gallons of blood and pours it over my head. It took weeks to get off.'' (The body count in ''Kill Bill'' is staggering. Tarantino himself says it's virtually incalculable, which created a bit of a ratings problem with the MPAA. ''You don't have that many directors saying, 'It was really great working with the MPAA on my really f---ing violent movie!''' says Tarantino. ''But I respect where they're coming from. They asked me to tone it down and I did.'' The movie -- or at least the first installment of it -- ultimately earned an R rating.)

Of course, not everything went as smoothly on set. Miramax suits were beginning to notice that Tarantino, fight master Yuen Wo-ping (''The Matrix,'' ''Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon''), and cinematographer Robert Richardson (an Oliver Stone vet, who won an Oscar for ''JFK'') were showing an expensive tendency to scrap well-planned, elaborate action sequences to improvise on the spot. After much debate, the budget -- originally $42 million -- was bumped up to a reported $55 million. But as production dragged on, it became clear that there was no way that what Tarantino had shot could be contained in a single film.

''If you look at that script, it was massively overwritten, especially for a movie that he said he wanted to be 90 minutes,'' says Thurman. ''You suspect various things. Quentin had gone mad, or was playing with lives, or playing with money. It made no sense. Whether he had intentions to separate the movies from the beginning or it was unconscious, I don't know. But it would have been difficult to include even half that material in one movie.''

Soon whispers started to be heard on the set that ''Kill Bill'' had actually been planned all along as a two-movie epic. Weinstein made an appearance in Los Angeles and suggested the idea himself -- but really, what else could he do, having already gone on record saying that Tarantino built Miramax and could have whatever he wanted? And, besides, there was absolutely no way they could release ''Kill Bill'' at three-plus hours. It was too violent. Too intense. Too giddily over-the-top.

''I didn't ever bring up splitting it up because I had to wait for it to be Harvey's idea for it to ever work,'' remembers Tarantino. ''But the minute it happened and Harvey suggested it, all right? It was, like, within an hour I had it all figured out. Literally an hour. It wasn't hard at all.''


(This is an online-only excerpt from Entertainment Weekly's Oct. 3, 2003, cover story.)
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Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 04:01:07 PM
Wait, so it's not ok to dislike the Matrix and love Kill Bill? Is that what Banky said? I know I'm a little late but I'm just checking cause that's how I feel. I never got into the Matrix hype....granted I was just a little year or two too young for it back in 99. So I kind of forgot about it until the hype for the sequel started up...I ended up finally seeing it earlier this year and I couldn't sit through the whole thing the first couple times I tried to. I tried really hard too...I wanted to like it....but I just didn't. People will probably say "yea, that's the hip thing to do-hate the matrix" or whatever but I don't give a fuck. I'm not going to be a dick and rag on the movie either, I don't even HATE it. It's got some great, exciting moments (talking about the first one)...but that doesn't make a great movie. There's no likable characters, that's the killer. The last movie Keanu Reeves was truly likable in was Bill & Ted's Bogus Journey...no joke, I love that movie. The other thing that annoyed me was how repetitive the movie seemed to be. I mean, the whole "what is real?" thing got old (at least for me) REALLY fast. I don't know if I was just having a bad day each of the three days that I rented it but I just got sick of all that. I love Charlie's Angels as some may know...that's like the opposite of The Matrix to me. It's got likable characters and there's something new at each turn, nothing is repeated...even in the sequel! It's common that they recycle things in a sequel but they didn't. That alone impressed me. Now, I know these two movies probably shouldn't be compared but I decided to anyway since they are both in this new modern action genre...with the wire frames and the stunts and the CGI. Kill Bill is as well.

Anyway, I just didn't understand what you meant. I truly was more entertained by the fight sequences in Kill Bill than in The Matrix. Are you talking about the sequel? I haven't seen that one yet so I really can't argue with you there.
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Post by: Pedro on October 11, 2003, 04:04:18 PM
I think the first matrix is done quite well in parts but Keanu Reeves can't act.  And i think some of the brilliance of the movie is that they worked around his terrible acting, but the way they got support for the movie was by having him in it.  

Um, oh yeah, kill bill is awesome
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 04:04:21 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombatbut what i loved the most out of this movie was the opening...the high contrast B&W.  the dialogue.  the shot.  i jumped like 10 feet...and i knew what was gonna happen too.

Holy shit me too.. I was so pissed off at QT because I was so pumped for the film and then he almost makes me have a heart attack. It was worth it though.
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Post by: ©brad on October 11, 2003, 04:11:45 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: ebeaman1. What about the ending though!? I can't believe I'm the only one that's mentioned that so far! That was fucking AMAZING! I didn't expect that at all, not the least bit.

It's probably just because you didn't try to think about it. As soon as we saw she was pregnant during the wedding, someone beside me said to his friend : "I bet her child is alive". Hehe

what about vivica a. fox's kid? i suspect that kid and uma's kid will eventually cut eachother up w/ knives. sumthin is going on there.
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 04:16:46 PM
Quote from: ©badwhat about vivica a. fox's kid? i suspect that kid and uma's kid will eventually cut eachother up w/ knives. sumthin is going on there.
For a second there, I thought Uma was going to gut her like a fish and then mosey on back to her Pussy Wagon with cereal and coffee.
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Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 04:21:59 PM
Quote from: Pas Rapport
Quote from: ebeaman1. What about the ending though!? I can't believe I'm the only one that's mentioned that so far! That was fucking AMAZING! I didn't expect that at all, not the least bit.

It's probably just because you didn't try to think about it. As soon as we saw she was pregnant during the wedding, someone beside me said to his friend : "I bet her child is alive". Hehe

Well, ok fine fine fine. I'm fucking stupid then.

Even though you saw it coming, you have to admit that he did it right. I mean, how he informed the audience of it. That's an easy thing to mess up I think. That could have been laughable. Like if he let Sophie answer him and then cut or if she looked into the camera or if he faded out instead of cut-to-black. You gotta at least respect the way it was done. It was easy for me to do since I didn't see it coming at all. I wasn't trying not to think about it either like you said, it just didn't occur to me. That long take of her mourning in the bed really eliminated any apprehension that I may have had.
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Post by: cine on October 11, 2003, 04:34:39 PM
I didn't see it coming. I thought it was just another thing for her to seek her revenge with, and it was all laid it really nicely.. Uma's scene when she comes out of the coma is some of her best acting.. and it really added that much needed cliffhanger for the next volume.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on October 11, 2003, 05:00:49 PM
ebeaman, you dont like the matrix cause you have no interest in science fiction movies.  you already stated that on the top 10 sci-fi thread, so its completely understandable that you dont care for the matrix.  its just not your bag baby, its cool.

PROBABLY SPOILERS!!!
okay, some other things that were great about kill bill.  it seemed to be a full-on EXPERIENCE.  like, the soundmix when things were supposed to be shocking, were shocking as shit.  like punchdrunk love, where certain moments are purposely cranked in the soundmix.  the opening with uma lying on the ground getting shot i was like "oh....shit."

also, the violence while being over the top with blood-geysers, which was fantastic, was also more real at times than any other action movie.  it was a mixof uma being able to kick a lot of ass, but also getting the shit beat out of her.  seeing her struggle when shes fighting and not walking away from any of the fights unscathed.  shes getting her ass kicked too, and you feel her pain.  a welcome change from the invincible super-lead's of most action movies.  it was an interesting blend of the real and hyper-real/surreal.

i hardly noticed it the first time, but the second viewing i was like "uhh, you dont get to see bill through the whole movie, do you?" and was a little pissed off that they show him in the previews for this movie.  but, i think its a great device to make you wonder what he looks like.   reminded me of inspector gadget.  but, was so perfect.

i also loved the ending.  the twist was so perfect.  when the house of blue leaves title card came up i was *like "oh no oh no, its going to be over soon, and i dont WANT it to be over soon".  but by the time it was bill and sofie fatale in the hospital, i was like and they revealed the twist. i was like "this is too perfect".  only disappointment is having to wait four fucking months, harvey weinstein you cocksucker.  a month or two would have been so much better.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Teen Wolf on October 11, 2003, 05:08:26 PM
Wow, wow, wow!!!!!! I tried to see KB last night, but like a dumbass I show up at the theatre 30 minutes early and there was a line circling the block, but it worked out okay because I went this morning for the matinee.

I loved this movie. I was actually worried that I wouldn't like it, but I really, really did.

I'm gonna go see it again.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Teen Wolf on October 11, 2003, 05:12:01 PM
Oh, and I also liked the girl in the schoolgirl uniform.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 11, 2003, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
Quote from: Pedro the WombatI'd like to know why the fighting in the matrix was superior to this.  Please, elaborate.



To boil it down simply: I think the Wachowski's have a better handle on their shot selection and the staging/choreography.  The shots are carefully planned out, each part flows into the other, and you get a real sense of where the actors (or I guess, cg characters) are in the location.  I felt a little disoriented in the KB fights at times.  Sadly, I think the O-Ren/Bride duel was mis-shot in the finale (held too long on the wide shot before the um, 'end' of it) and I was left a little confused.  Aside from that, I think Wachowski's also have a great handle on the use of music during fights, and know how to heighten the moments.  The fights essentially are musical numbers and have the rythyms/pace of a song.  

I don't know if that makes any sense.  But there's my 2 cents.


yeah, i agree

im not saying i didnt like the movie i just think it wasnt gods gift to cinema.  I really, really liked the music though but i stand by the fact that it dragged.  Am i the only one who thought the black and white seqeunce was bullshit?
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Post by: 1976 on October 11, 2003, 06:33:18 PM
The dynamics of a fight scene change drastically depending on the weapons involved, such as the use of swords in "Kill Bill." That being said, I really dont think you should compare the fight scenes in Kill Bill with those in "The Matrix."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 07:16:00 PM
Quote from: themodernage02ebeaman, you dont like the matrix cause you have no interest in science fiction movies.  you already stated that on the top 10 sci-fi thread, so its completely understandable that you dont care for the matrix.  its just not your bag baby, its cool.

Right, cool. But just one thing, if I said that I had no interest in sci-fi, I take it back. I do have some interest in it. It's not my favorite genre but I definitely wouldn't love movies as much as I do today if it wasn't for the genre. It's an important genre. I respect and like it.

Glad you loved the ending too man. I felt like an idiot being the only one to mention it. Cause I mean, that's going to be one of the things that I remember in movies. That did something to me. His voice, her face, the music...PERFECTION...wow. It made me LOVE the split.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: pete on October 11, 2003, 07:22:34 PM
back to that matrix vs. kill bill fight comment.  not for one second in the matrix did I believe that people were actually hitting each other.  Keanu's so weak and siff (and sloppy) that most of the exchanges he's had just looked like the longest secret handshake in the world.  in kill bill at least the characters didn't try to do all that fancy wushu longfist crap and just settled with choreography that resembled sonny chiba's.
the style and the choreography in both movies were totally different, but kill bill found one that's better suited for actors that don't know shit about martial arts and it was much better made--the intention and the strategy was much more clear. the music's better, the build up is better, and it's more convincing.
if you were to just single out the matrix's fight scenes they won't even be able to live up to most average fight scenes in actual martial arts movies (whether or not the movies were performed by actual martial artists--I mean chow yunfat's never done sword choreography until crouching tiger, he was older, more out of shape, and trained for far less time than the matrix gang, but his fight scenes were still much better.)  Kill Bill on the other hand, has fight scenes at least as good as the chopsocky movies that inspired it.  Play your own game keanu.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 11, 2003, 07:23:17 PM
Quote from: ebeamanI truly was more entertained by the fight sequences in Kill Bill than in The Matrix.

that's good to hear. hope i feel the same way. matrix fight sequences sucked!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 11, 2003, 07:33:34 PM
Quote from: peteback to that matrix vs. kill bill fight comment.  not for one second in the matrix did I believe that people were actually hitting each other.  Keanu's so weak and siff (and sloppy) that most of the exchanges he's had just looked like the longest secret handshake in the world.  in kill bill at least the characters didn't try to do all that fancy wushu longfist crap and just settled with choreography that resembled sonny chiba's.
the style and the choreography in both movies were totally different, but kill bill found one that's better suited for actors that don't know shit about martial arts and it was much better made--the intention and the strategy was much more clear. the music's better, the build up is better, and it's more convincing.
if you were to just single out the matrix's fight scenes they won't even be able to live up to most average fight scenes in actual martial arts movies (whether or not the movies were performed by actual martial artists--I mean chow yunfat's never done sword choreography until crouching tiger, he was older, more out of shape, and trained for far less time than the matrix gang, but his fight scenes were still much better.)  Kill Bill on the other hand, has fight scenes at least as good as the chopsocky movies that inspired it.  Play your own game keanu.

good post.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 11, 2003, 07:42:16 PM
Spoilers possible.

Just got back from a Lost in Translation/Kill Bill double feature.  Pretty good day.  I was a bit disappointed with Kill Bill, but still, it was a great experience.

I was curious, though, what did The Bride pull from one of the 88s when the film turned to black and white.  I couldn't quite make it out. Were we to assume it was his heart?  Looked a little small, and looked maybe as if she took his eye out of his socket.  And, what scene was it, specifically, that was the one most have thought would've gotten the film an NC-17?

My thoughts are way too jumbled, much like the film itself, for me to provide any sort of coherent criticism or comments or whathaveya.  Good experience, but nowhere in the ballpark of his previous attempts.  Even still, it is one of the best half films of the year.  **** (9/10)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on October 11, 2003, 07:43:23 PM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI was curious, though, what did The Bride pull from one of the 88s when the film turned to black and white.  I couldn't quite make it out. Were we to assume it was his heart?  Looked a little small, and looked maybe as if she took his eye out of his socket.

yeah it was his eye.  check out this months Fangoria magazine for a more detailed picture of that.

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmembers.fortunecity.com%2Fthemodernage%2Ffangoria.jpg&hash=c8b7c27d210457d6986a5a23c1bcc08d042edb91)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Thecowgoooesmooo on October 11, 2003, 09:14:55 PM
Quoteback to that matrix vs. kill bill fight comment. not for one second in the matrix did I believe that people were actually hitting each other. Keanu's so weak and siff (and sloppy) that most of the exchanges he's had just looked like the longest secret handshake in the world. in kill bill at least the characters didn't try to do all that fancy wushu longfist crap and just settled with choreography that resembled sonny chiba's.


I totally agree on that, during the Matrix I was never involved in the theater, what I mean is, it didn't have one kernal of believeability... I caught my mind on several occasions drifting into thinking thoughts such as... "hey that looks cg..." "jesus christ this is getting repetitive..." "wow keanu sucks as an actor..."

Kill Bill was a different story, my mind was in constant movie wonderland as I watched it... I thought thoughts such as... "wow that came out of nowwhere!" "thats beautiful shit" "thisssss is toooo creative!!!!!" "come on, let the little kid go uma...."

Kill Bill was a real movie experience, with style and substance...
Matrix seemed more like overhyped, repetitive, flashy style.....


chris
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: picolas on October 11, 2003, 09:34:42 PM
not sure how to write a real review for it right now so i'll just do some point-forming

- the most violent, shocking thing i've ever seen. it absolutely shot me in the back of the head repeatedly, stopping only to throw my unrecognizably shattered mess of a skull off Mount Everest.
- his best in terms of time-fuckery.
- his worst in terms of dialogue.
- i fear becoming desensitized to this movie, because then nothing will shock me again.
- it left me with a kind of Punch-Drunk Love aftertaste, but it was more like the aftertaste was stabbing me.
- some of the acting was ridiculous
- perfect beginning and ending. so many amazing moments..
- the quality of inventiveness in the camera work is inspiring.
- i've got to see this again in theatres.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on October 11, 2003, 09:40:00 PM
Hey picolas, what movie is your avatar clip from? I know I've seen it somewhere before.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ravi on October 11, 2003, 09:44:10 PM
Quote from: picolas
- the most violent, shocking thing i've ever seen. it absolutely shot me in the back of the head repeatedly, stopping only to throw my unrecognizably shattered mess of a skull off Mount Everest.

It ws bloody, but I can't say I was shocked or grossed out buy it.  The geysers of blood made me laugh.  Maybe I'm a callous asshole.  Now I gotta go torture kitties so I can feel something.

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- some of the acting was ridiculous

I thought the actors did a great job walking the fine line of taking the subject matter too seriously and being overly campy.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: picolas on October 11, 2003, 10:02:15 PM
Quote from: SydneyHey picolas, what movie is your avatar clip from? I know I've seen it somewhere before.
it's a Fargotar.

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- some of the acting was ridiculous

I thought the actors did a great job walking the fine line of taking the subject matter too seriously and being overly campy.
yeah. for the most part i thought it was pretty good, but it got strange a lot. Bill was really great.  the biggest offender was Fox.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on October 11, 2003, 10:46:53 PM
Oh yeah!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on October 11, 2003, 11:12:00 PM
spoilers i guess --


i agree with, ahh i forget who it was who said it, and i don't feel like going back to look, but whoever said they loved the reveal at the end about the bride's baby, i absolutely fucking loved it too.  now, having read the script about a year ago, i knew about it before seeing the film, but it was PERFECTLY executed in the movie.  the only thing that bugged me in this film was when o-ren ishii sliced off boss tanakas head.  it just looked a little too goofy for me.  not the whole scene, just the (i think) two shots of it flying through the air.  the rest of the scene, before and after the decapitation, was great.  and so was the movie.  and the beginning with the bride, then the credits, absolutely kicked ass.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: mutinyco on October 11, 2003, 11:24:32 PM
He knocked Intolerable Cruelty and can't even recognize Fargo...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on October 11, 2003, 11:30:53 PM
My apologies on Fargo.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 11:46:38 PM
Quote from: RaviIt ws bloody, but I can't say I was shocked or grossed out buy it.  The geysers of blood made me laugh.  Maybe I'm a callous asshole.  Now I gotta go torture kitties so I can feel something.

Oh no man, I don't think anybody was very shocked by that stuff. This coming from somebody who didn't have any walkouts (surprisingly) at his screening. But I digress, I thought that stuff was pretty easy to watch myself...it was cartoonish. It was like Wile E Coyote falling off a cliff.

Now, I'll admit that there was some stuff that really got to me. Whether they were intended to or not, I don't know. But I was shocked by the Vivica A fight cause of the kid and all (and the cereal box) and then of course the first gunshot in the movie (you know the one), that got to me...and then I was a pretty disturbed by the whole thing "Buck" was doing...cause that was just awful. I didn't read the script or anything mind you. Not a page of it. So I knew very little about this movie going in. I mean, I knew a lot about it's production and the characters, but I knew so little about the plot. I learned my lesson with PDL, I never want to know that much about a movie before I see it again. It made Kill Bill such a great experience. That's why I was shocked by all of that stuff. That's probably why I loved the end (and so many scenes) more than others. With PDL, I did everything but read the script, and I still loved it to death....one of the best experiences I've had (cause you can never truly RUIN a PTA movie)...but I would have rather known a lot less about it. I know how good it can feel now with Kill Bill.

Other than that stuff, yea, I wasn't grossed out or disturbed or shocked by any of it. The gory stuff didn't get to me at all, nor did the anime. I didn't laugh at it. There were some REALLY forced laughs by some fanboys at some of that stuff...it was really awkward. They were trying to be cool. I'm not saying it wasn't funny, but I didn't think it was something to double over about.

I really think this is a more serious movie than it's been advertised as. The music and the cinematography just makes it so haunting to me. I don't, maybe I'm reading it all wrong or not getting some joke but I think it's a pretty serious movie overall. Sure, there's quite a bit of b-movie level campy stuff...but it's never taken too far or repeated too often. I was worried it would be too silly for my taste since I'm not as into the trashy flicks as Quentin is...I was hoping for more of a spaghetti western, Roger Corman, Kurosawa samurai film than a parody...and it was really closer to the former than to the latter I think. The above shocking scenes, the haunting music, and the absolutely horrible things the many characters have done or went through made it a very REAL, serious movie with heart and a humane quality. Again, the Matrix can not compete.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ravi on October 11, 2003, 11:57:44 PM
Quote from: ebeaman
Quote from: RaviIt ws bloody, but I can't say I was shocked or grossed out buy it.  The geysers of blood made me laugh.  Maybe I'm a callous asshole.  Now I gotta go torture kitties so I can feel something.

I was shocked by the Vivica A fight just cause of the kid and all (and the cereal box) and then of course the first gunshot in the movie (you know the one)...and then I was a pretty disturbed by the whole thing "Buck" was doing...cause that was just awful. I didn't read the script or anything mind you. Not a page of it. So I knew very little about this movie going in. I mean, I knew a lot about it's production and the characters, but I knew so little about the plot. I learned my lesson with PDL, I never want to know that much about a movie before I see it again. It made Kill Bill such a great experience. That's why I was shocked by all of that stuff. That's probably why I loved the end (and so many scenes) more than others. With PDL, I did everything but read the script, and I still loved it to death....one of the best experiences I've had (cause you can never truly RUIN a PTA movie)...but I would have rather known a lot less about it. I know how good it can feel now with Kill Bill.

The Fox scene was startling because of the gunshot and the domestic setting.

I avoided as best as I could any details about the film before seeing it.  I didn't read the script, and I changed the channel when a clip from the film or a commercial was shown.

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Other than that stuff, yea, I wasn't grossed out or disturbed or shocked by any of it. The gory stuff didn't get to me at all, nor did the anime. I didn't laugh at it. There were some REALLY forced laughs by some fanboys at some of that stuff...it was really awkward. They were trying to be cool. I'm not saying it wasn't funny, but I didn't think it was something to double over about.

I laughed when Lucy Liu chopped off that guy's head because of all the spewing blood.  There was one guy in the theater laughing a little too hard at some stuff.

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I really think this is a more serious movie than it's been advertised as. The music and the cinematography just makes it so haunting to me. I don't, maybe I'm reading it all wrong or not getting some joke but I think it's a pretty serious movie overall. Sure, there's quite a bit of b-movie level campy stuff...but it's never taken too far. I was hoping it would be too silly but it was really quite the opposite.

By not ramping up the camp, Tarantino shows some respect for the genres he is tributing.  They're serious films, but they're also fun.  I'm sure with volume 2, the whole story will have a nearly epic feel to it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 11, 2003, 11:59:59 PM
Quote from: RaviI laughed when Lucy Liu chopped off that guy's head because of all the spewing blood.  There was one guy in the theater laughing a little too hard

Yea, you know what I mean. It's funny but there were people really trying to make the movie a comedy. I don't know why but it seemed like that's what they were trying to do. Maybe the guy was with a girl or something and wanted her to be in on the joke or be more comfortable...I don't get it.

Quote from: RaviBy not ramping up the camp, Tarantino shows some respect for the genres he is tributing.  They're serious films, but they're also fun.  I'm sure with volume 2, the whole story will have a nearly epic feel to it.

Can you go around making me sound smarter than I really am all the time? You got it exactly right again man. He really executed it all perfectly. I'm so glad he really did it right and he was smart and didn't just take the easy way out...he didn't get lazy and try to make a one note (campy) film. It's cause he has too many favorite movies...too many favorite genres. He made it complex and like you said, epic. I'm starting to sound like Harry Knowles now, I know, but I'm just excited. I think I have a right to be...one of my favorite directors delivered the movie I wanted after six years...that's something to be excited about. He delivered a better movie than what I wanted. I've waited so long.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: neatahwanta on October 12, 2003, 01:07:50 AM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI was a bit disappointed with Kill Bill, but still, it was a great experience....

My thoughts are way too jumbled, much like the film itself, for me to provide any sort of coherent criticism or comments or whathaveya.  Good experience, but nowhere in the ballpark of his previous attempts.  Even still, it is one of the best half films of the year.  **** (9/10)

You guys watch too many movies.   :shock:
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Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 01:14:10 AM
Quote from: Shadow BoxinThe dynamics of a fight scene change drastically depending on the weapons involved, such as the use of swords in "Kill Bill." That being said, I really dont think you should compare the fight scenes in Kill Bill with those in "The Matrix."

go watch Reloaded buddy


Quote from: neatahwanta
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI was a bit disappointed with Kill Bill, but still, it was a great experience....

My thoughts are way too jumbled, much like the film itself, for me to provide any sort of coherent criticism or comments or whathaveya.  Good experience, but nowhere in the ballpark of his previous attempts.  Even still, it is one of the best half films of the year.  **** (9/10)


exactly
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Sleuth on October 12, 2003, 01:14:24 AM
I just got raped by Kill Bill

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Post by: 1976 on October 12, 2003, 08:05:59 AM
Uma Thurman has the most beautiful ugly feet I've ever seen. I love how he focuses on them for so long, that this uncomfortable silence fills the theatre.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Fernando on October 12, 2003, 11:30:51 AM
*** SPOILERS ***




First things first, I don't want to read any whining about paying to see for both films or DVD's, I already had to travel to see it and you could say this ticket cost me a little over $100 bucks, so don't whine!  :wink:
BTW, went to the 11.30am show and there were just seven people in, it was sweet!

Well, I can say categorically that this film worth every penny spent, it was wonderful and makes you leave the theater wanting to see it again and again. Everything was superb.

Uma's performance as someone already said was truly amazing and most of all, believable and with a purpose, and contrary to what Ebert said about it (he said: 'The movie is not about anything at all except the skill and humor of its making' & in the tv show 'light in its story') also he praised it highly but I differ completely with his comments about story, KB does have a story, it's not just eye candy or a well crafter action flim, the characters had depth, and a reason to be there, I'm sure QT could make a movie out of any of them, and surely in Volume 2 we'll see more of them. We can take Lucy's character as an example, she was like this because of her parents murder.

Even though all members of DiVAS are shit, I couldn't help but care for some of them when they died or were left in agony, like the mutilation of Sofie Fatale (she's so beautiful BTW), one can only wonder what else Uma cut, also for Liu's as I feel she's a victim because of her troubled childhood to say the least; however I won't have this feeling for Madsen's character (don't know why but I feel that way), as I didn't care for the worthless pieces of shit of Buck and the other rapist. Speaking of Buck, am I the only one who thinks he should suffer way more than he did?

Regarding the Matrix vs. KB thing, I think they're so different that is not possible to compare them, I know that you're comparing fight sequences and the staging of them, but, the films are in opossite universes, one virtual one 'real', IMO there it lies why one was made this way or another; besides, can't we just enjoy both films without comparing them? Is it imperative that we have to compare every single thing that comes out? I love both, and they're so different that it won't do any justice to argue which one is better.

Finally, noticed that in some of the trailers are scenes from Volume 2, I guess they were made before the splitting.

A lot of rambling I did, so if you made it to the end, thanks.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 12, 2003, 12:16:02 PM
Quote from: neatahwanta
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI was a bit disappointed with Kill Bill, but still, it was a great experience....

My thoughts are way too jumbled, much like the film itself, for me to provide any sort of coherent criticism or comments or whathaveya.  Good experience, but nowhere in the ballpark of his previous attempts.  Even still, it is one of the best half films of the year.  **** (9/10)

You guys watch too many movies.   :shock:
What does that have to do with anything I said?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 12, 2003, 12:21:51 PM
Nothing...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 12, 2003, 12:22:13 PM
Quote from: Onomatopoeia
Quote from: neatahwanta
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI was a bit disappointed with Kill Bill, but still, it was a great experience....

My thoughts are way too jumbled, much like the film itself, for me to provide any sort of coherent criticism or comments or whathaveya.  Good experience, but nowhere in the ballpark of his previous attempts.  Even still, it is one of the best half films of the year.  **** (9/10)

You guys watch too many movies.   :shock:
What does that have to do with anything I said?

I was thinking he might think that you've already seen multiple movies that conveyed the same things that Kill Bill was trying to convey. Like, you've seen it all before. I could be wrong...I don't know.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Steve McQueen's ghost on October 12, 2003, 12:43:20 PM
Fight scenes?

Kill Bill kicks major ass over the Matrix flicks.

My first point, and it has nothing to do with fight scenes:

"My name is Buck and I'm here to fuck" has more depth to it than every line stonerboy says.  Can't you just see Reeves taking a drag off of a joint and saying "Whoa! Dude! You mean like....like the matrix is ummm.. like..umm...in my head?......Whoa!!! That's EXCELLENT!" I'm sorry, it's just weak. There were some good ideas in Matrix and glossy FX. I can see why you SciFi fanboys love it so much. Just don't try to compare some slick CGI SciFi stuff to a QT epic. It just won't wash. QT is, hmmm, how shall I put this, the Jedi master film maker. You can't fuck with the
Jedi master. BTW, Uma's character is MUCH more interesting.

As for fighting? Ill stick with Bill.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on October 12, 2003, 01:25:46 PM
Tarantino's Kill Bill: Vol. 1 is #1 at the Box Office
Source: Coming Soon! Sunday, October 12, 2003

Quentin Tarantino's Kill Bill: Vol. 1, starring Uma Thurman, topped the box office with an estimated $22.7 million. The action film debuted in 3,102 theaters and averaged $7,312 per location.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: prophet on October 12, 2003, 01:46:57 PM
Rank   Title   Weekend    Total Gross
1   Kill Bill: Vol. 1 (2003)   22.5m    22.5m
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: tpfkabi on October 12, 2003, 02:22:07 PM
i'm thinking this film will do quite well, especially after word of mouth gets going.

if so, this will be great because i don't think anyone will ever question Tarantino on money, length, etc of his films ever again.

has he talked about his the war script he did lately? (i'm guessing not since he's right in the middle of KB hype)

edit.
doing a little surfing i found this interview. it tells some little things about Vol. 2 but nothing major i don't think.....and it answers my question above (or at least as good as it can be answered)

http://www.filmjerk.com/nuke/article640.html
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 03:28:51 PM
Quote from: Steve McQueen's ghostFight scenes?

Kill Bill kicks major ass over the Matrix flicks.

My first point, and it has nothing to do with fight scenes:

"My name is Buck and I'm here to fuck" has more depth to it than every line stonerboy says.  Can't you just see Reeves taking a drag off of a joint and saying "Whoa! Dude! You mean like....like the matrix is ummm.. like..umm...in my head?......Whoa!!! That's EXCELLENT!" I'm sorry, it's just weak. There were some good ideas in Matrix and glossy FX. I can see why you SciFi fanboys love it so much. Just don't try to compare some slick CGI SciFi stuff to a QT epic. It just won't wash. QT is, hmmm, how shall I put this, the Jedi master film maker. You can't fuck with the
Jedi master. BTW, Uma's character is MUCH more interesting.

As for fighting? Ill stick with Bill.

thats a bullshit post
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: smash on October 12, 2003, 04:08:12 PM
I personally had a much more enjoyable experience watching Kill Bill over Reloaded.

As I watched Reloaded all I could think about was how bad Keanu is, how obvious some of the CGI was, and how much I hated the philosophical filler bullshit.  The action was intense and done very very well, but the story was killing me.  The goddamn Architect just tried to talk over the audience's head and that irritated me.

But as I watched Kill Bill, I was loving everything.  The acting, the various shots, the music, and the (while minimal) plot.  Kill Bill just seemed artful and entertaining, while Reloaded seemed like it was too full of itself to be interesting.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 12, 2003, 05:20:50 PM
Quote from: MrBurgerKingKill Bill is like walking into Burger King and ordering three whopper value meals with extra mayo.. having no shame in sitting there eating it all yourself while everyone watches you.

You have me hungry for some Whoppers and Kill Bill, Mr.BK.  I commend you, for I am not a fast food frequent as yourself.

On another note, did anyone notice 5 little red dots on the screen?  It didn't detract from the movie, and it might have been the fault of the theater, but every once in a while, five dots would appear on the screen and it only seemed to happen on the second floor where Lucy Liu wait for Uma Thurman.  

Anyone else catch this?  As random as it was, it seemed to have a pattern.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 12, 2003, 05:28:26 PM
Okay, so I guess I'll end up perpetuating the whole Matrix/KB argument.  IT IS valid to compare to the two-- I mean, both movies have the same fight choreographer and both filmmakers cite the same movies as inspiration.  

And let me just preface this next comment by saying that I really did like Kill Bill a whole lot: but can you honestly say that the wire-fu moments in KB were *good*?  I felt they stuck out like a sore thumb and weren't executed as well as they could have been.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ghostboy on October 12, 2003, 05:29:19 PM
It's definitely a pattern. It's sort of like a watermark to prevent piracy...so they'll know what theater a bootleg might have come from. Not that that actually will help in catching the pirate, but oh well. Pretty dumb if you ask me.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on October 12, 2003, 05:33:30 PM
Oh.  My friends said the 5 dots had to mean something, but then I thought to myself how only Lynch would do somethign artsy like that    haha
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on October 12, 2003, 05:41:34 PM
matrix takes itself way too seriously.  i honestly never enjoyed the first one, and have never even seen reloaded, i doubt ill see revolutions, but hey, you never know.  i loved kill bill tho.  so much so much so much fun.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ravi on October 12, 2003, 06:46:25 PM
Quote from: GhostboyIt's definitely a pattern. It's sort of like a watermark to prevent piracy...so they'll know what theater a bootleg might have come from. Not that that actually will help in catching the pirate, but oh well. Pretty dumb if you ask me.

I guess the theory is that if a print is stolen and telecined, it is likely that a projectionist smuggled the print out, possibly motivating the theater to fire him.  Not that the pirates can't just edit out the offending frames.

I recently read about the dots and was surprised I never noticed them.  They were quite prominent in the b&w House of Blue Leaves fight in Kill Bill, and I noticed them in one or two color scenes.  Now I will notice the dots forever...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 12, 2003, 07:15:29 PM
Quote from: ewardmatrix takes itself way too seriously.  i honestly never enjoyed the first one, and have never even seen reloaded, i doubt ill see revolutions, but hey, you never know.  i loved kill bill tho.  so much so much so much fun.

Yea, that's really what it is. It thinks it's so clever and brilliant and I just can't take that smugness. It reminds me of Fight Club in that way. Kill Bill is beautiful and haunting and the effort it took to achieve all that isn't even obvious...it's more subtle. The violence and the humor is far from subtle, it's in your face as can be...but the sincerity (is that a word) of it is less obvious. It's not as smug.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 12, 2003, 07:21:02 PM
yeah... the matrix is much to "meaningful" and it keeps trying to state its messages and nagging them into your skull... I don't know if I am right
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Ernie on October 12, 2003, 07:31:36 PM
I had no idea so many people didn't like the Matrix. I'm glad, I've really been holding back on what I think of it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 08:21:09 PM
I think everyone needs to come down from thier "Kill Bill" high they are currently running on.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: neatahwanta on October 12, 2003, 08:41:13 PM
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Title: Banky
Post by: Steve McQueen's ghost on October 12, 2003, 09:01:47 PM
Hey Banky, I've read a good number of your posts over the last month and I find myself agreeing with you more often than dissagreeing. I can only guess that you're a Matrix fan and that's fine. I just don't buy the hype. Also I don't buy Reeves as Neo. It's like casting J Lo to play Joan of Arc, it just doesn't work! Need more examples? Tom Hanks to play Dirty Harry, Will Smith to play James West....... oh wait.... they did that. Damn that was stupid. As far as the Kill Bill high we are riding? WE'VE BEEN WAITING 6 FREAKING YEARS FOR THIS GUY TO GIVE US A MOVIE. IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A FEW DAYS. GIVE US A BREAK. We love us some QT!!!
BTW, KB kiss ass! Matrix licks ass. Woo Hoo!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on October 12, 2003, 09:06:19 PM
enough w/ this matrix sucks/kill bill is better shit. 2 different movies, two different contexts, too many film nerds bitching about nothing.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: A Matter Of Chance on October 12, 2003, 09:08:44 PM
Quote from: ebeamanI had no idea so many people didn't like the Matrix. I'm glad, I've really been holding back on what I think of it.

Me too, and it kind of felt good to vent.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Steve McQueen's ghost on October 12, 2003, 09:19:21 PM
Hell yeah it feels good to vent.

Hey Bad, It's a free country and I'll make talk about whatever I want.

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

And another thing, who are you to call us film nerds? I mean, what the fuck are you doing here? The pot and the kettle! You're a film nerd too.

LOL!!!! :-)
Title: Re: Banky
Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 09:26:13 PM
Quote from: Steve McQueen's ghostHey Banky, I've read a good number of your posts over the last month and I find myself agreeing with you more often than dissagreeing. I can only guess that you're a Matrix fan and that's fine. I just don't buy the hype. Also I don't buy Reeves as Neo. It's like casting J Lo to play Joan of Arc, it just doesn't work! Need more examples? Tom Hanks to play Dirty Harry, Will Smith to play James West....... oh wait.... they did that. Damn that was stupid. As far as the Kill Bill high we are riding? WE'VE BEEN WAITING 6 FREAKING YEARS FOR THIS GUY TO GIVE US A MOVIE. IT'S ONLY BEEN OUT A FEW DAYS. GIVE US A BREAK. We love us some QT!!!
BTW, KB kiss ass! Matrix licks ass. Woo Hoo!!

its not even that im a huge fan of the matrix, i mean i kinda am, but thats not whats bullshit.  I just think your "Im Buck" quote was full of shit.  The Matrix is on a whole nother level of depth.  While kill bill is good it is mostly an action driven film with little plot at all.  Bitch all you want but i believe most will agree Kill Bill was a great, fun, visual flick with enough of a plot just to keep the movie going.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 12, 2003, 09:47:18 PM
my brief 2 cents on the Matrix/Kill Bill debate:

The first Matrix mixed fresh, breathtaking action with and involving story. I overlooked the bad acting, and sometimes stupid dialogue:

Neo: What are sentenals?
Dozer: Killing machenes designed for one thing... (killing?)
Trinity: Search and destroy. (Oh, I would've guessed killing. Silly me.)

The second Matrix had way too much obvious cgi, even worse dialogue, went way too far with the philosophy jargon, but still delivered with the fight scenes.

Kill Bill knocked my dick in the dirt. Period. The ammount of love that went into every frame of that movie just makes me want to cream.

Honestly, I think comparing the fight scenes of the respective films is kinda like comparing apples and oranges. Yeah, they had the same fight coreographer, but they are fundamentally different.

Summation: The first Matrix was very good, the second one was so-so, and Kill Bill is pure movie magic.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2003, 09:47:39 PM
Just got back from seeing it and I first have to address this pointless Matrix/Kill Bill comparison. Besides the same fight choreographer, the two films do not warrant being compared to! They are two totally different films, with the action being the sub-genre. Matrix has it's roots in Sci-Fi, KB in Drama. To focus only on the action scenes is a disservice to both films and the respective stories they are telling. The action isn't even similar. There is no point in comparing the films! And to continue to do so will only dampen a fresh slate of those who have yet to see KB, as they will go in thinking they will see Matrix action.


*SPOILERS*

Well, my first reation is that I was somewhat disappointed. I missed some of that brilliant QT writing. I didn't exit the theater reciting memorable dialogue like I did with his other films. The broken structure didn't seem to work with this film. And I felt that it didn't need to broken into two films, it would have played fine straight through. Some of the music kinda overpowered and undercut the action that was going on.

While I did enjoy the fights, I felt that GoGo's death was a cop-out. You create a tough character, and she gets the drop on our hero, but, oh wait, there just happens to be a piece of wood with nails in it. I felt that her death didn't match the power of her character and was an easy way out.

Praise, however, to Uma. She played the character with great embodiment. The scene after she wakes and realizes the baby is gone was so stunning for her acting. The anime sequence was very riveting. Daryl Hannah's entrance was perfect.

Overall, I will see it again and did get hooked by the cliffhanger, but as of now I feel KB didn't top his other films.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: cine on October 12, 2003, 09:48:01 PM
Quote from: Steve McQueen's ghostHell yeah it feels good to vent.

Hey Bad, It's a free country and I'll make talk about whatever I want.

YOU'RE NOT THE BOSS OF ME!

And another thing, who are you to call us film nerds? I mean, what the fuck are you doing here? The pot and the kettle! You're a film nerd too.

LOL!!!! :-)
Okay so this is a perfect time to ask again about this guy's age. Does anyone know what it really is?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 12, 2003, 09:53:45 PM
I think I've finally decided that I'm glad he split it in two. Lots of people (including Quentin himself) have said that you need a breather after the house of blue leaves, and I think that's true. The cliffhanger is perfect. I agree that it doesn't quite feel like a whole movie ( which was inevitable, I guess), but it's got me frothing at the mouth for Febuary.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 10:15:35 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin

*SPOILERS*

Well, my first reation is that I was somewhat disappointed. I missed some of that brilliant QT writing. I didn't exit the theater reciting memorable dialogue like I did with his other films. The broken structure didn't seem to work with this film.
Overall, I will see it again and did get hooked by the cliffhanger, but as of now I feel KB didn't top his other films.

not to go down on Guff or anything but i really agree with this.  I didnt think the non linear story structure was at all nescessary and i felt after leaving that QT is clinging to that being "his thing."  Also with the dialogue i felt the same although for some reason i liked the "son number 1" thing.  Some scences went on to long and with the proper editing i think it would have worked as one film.  Will somone comment on the black and white sequence.  I really thought it was a cop out.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 12, 2003, 10:35:26 PM
Banky,

I think there's a whole thread devoted to the Black and White sequence, but for the record, I liked it. I would like to see it in color, but I feel fine knowing that I saw it how QT intended it to.

I didn't really have a problem with the dialogue. It wasn't exactly like QT's other movies, but I don't think that's a bad thing. It's just a more visually driven film. And I'm sorry, but I fucking love O-Ren Ishii's speech after she slices off boss Tanaka's head. Brilliant stuff.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 12, 2003, 10:38:10 PM
Oh, yeah, about the structure. I thought it worked really well. The Vernita Green fight would've been a letdown after the house of blue leaves, and comming out of O-Ren's origin story to that "wiggle your big toe" line was pure genius.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Steve McQueen's ghost on October 12, 2003, 10:53:12 PM
Cinephile,

I'm 33. How old are you?.... Wait, forget I asked. I don't think age is really important. However it does give a bit of background in what films a person has witnessed. The first movie I went nuts over was Star Wars. I had a bunch of the figures. My fav was my Jawa! :-)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on October 12, 2003, 11:05:37 PM
i actually really liked the fact there wasnt a whole lot of dialogue. i just re-watched Jackie Brown recently, and while it I do like it a lot, some of the dialogue doesnt seem as natural as in RD or PF.  like, in those it was a little more believable, and after pulp exploded some of the people in JB were like "oh okay, we know how this goes", and kind of acted like they were IN a quentin tarantino movie, and less like something that came naturally.  i liked in kill bill how when the characters were speaking it didnt really sound anything like his other flicks.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 12, 2003, 11:05:46 PM
Quote from: nixOh, yeah, about the structure. I thought it worked really well. The Vernita Green fight would've been a letdown after the house of blue leaves, and comming out of O-Ren's origin story to that "wiggle your big toe" line was pure genius.

true
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on October 12, 2003, 11:13:25 PM
Quote from: themodernage02i actually really liked the fact there wasnt a whole lot of dialogue.

For me it wasn't the fact that there wasn't a lot of dialogue, it was what was there. I guess I expected more from QT than a debate about who should go get the sake.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: RegularKarate on October 12, 2003, 11:24:14 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
For me it wasn't the fact that there wasn't a lot of dialogue, it was what was there. I guess I expected more from QT than a debate about who should go get the sake.

***SPOILERS***

But that's the thing... when you watch those old kung fu movies... that's the sort of comic relief banter that goes on.  "Awww... I always have to get the sake, why don't you do it for once?  I should be in charge".  

and one of my favorite lines "We gonna have us a KNIFE FIGHT!"... it was very QT in that it was something someone said in another movie changed enough to make it original again.

I really like KB... Jackie Brown is Mos Def still his best film, but I didn't expect any else with this one, it gave me what I wanted and I still get another one in a couple months.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Sleuth on October 12, 2003, 11:26:26 PM
Quote from: RegularKarate
Quote from: MacGuffin
For me it wasn't the fact that there wasn't a lot of dialogue, it was what was there. I guess I expected more from QT than a debate about who should go get the sake.

***SPOILERS***

But that's the thing... when you watch those old kung fu movies... that's the sort of comic relief banter that goes on.  "Awww... I always have to get the sake, why don't you do it for once?  I should be in charge".  

and one of my favorite lines "We gonna have us a KNIFE FIGHT!"

RK wins!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on October 12, 2003, 11:27:30 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: themodernage02i actually really liked the fact there wasnt a whole lot of dialogue.

For me it wasn't the fact that there wasn't a lot of dialogue, it was what was there. I guess I expected more from QT than a debate about who should go get the sake.


oh i fucking loved that scene - just the way it was shot was so subtley genius.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SHAFTR on October 12, 2003, 11:27:37 PM
Kill Bill should almost have it's own forum here for a few weeks, there is just too much to talk about for one thread.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 12, 2003, 11:32:56 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRKill Bill should almost have it's own forum here for a few weeks, there is just too much to talk about for one thread.
...that's what this forum is for.  ;)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 13, 2003, 12:00:34 AM
I also loved the sushi bar scene. It reminded me of the type of comic relief that was common in so many Kurosawa films. Particularly Hidden Fortress. That Japanese overacting was great. And when The Bride says Hatori Hanzo for the first time and you hear something break in the other room, that was fucking brilliant.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 13, 2003, 12:03:18 AM
Why do I feel like Chris Farley all the sudden?

Remember when Uma splits that guy down the middle?... That was awsome.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gamblour. on October 13, 2003, 12:06:21 AM
Quote from: nixAnd when The Bride says Hatori Hanzo for the first time and you hear something break in the other room, that was fucking brilliant.

I thought that was, as you said, fucking brilliant. The sound proved to have some great punch lines. Besides that, I thought it was hilarious and almost distrubing being able to hear all the dying 88's lying there, moaning in pain, even before we're able to see the actual aftermath.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 13, 2003, 12:18:14 AM
Gambler,

omigod, I can't believe I forgot to mention that!

Only QT would think to do something like that. It's those beautiful little touches that make this film so great. As completely unbelievable as it is that The Bride just chopped up 88 people, QT lets that little bit of realism peek through. If they aren't all dead, they're gonna be moaning in pain. Loved that.

And speaking of the sound. Man, did he make the most of it! Blood gurgling, that crazy, over the top kung fu sound when Uma does backflips. What balls this man has.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: nix on October 13, 2003, 12:20:05 AM
Gamblor, sorry. Hate to misquote the mighty Homer Simpson.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: picolas on October 13, 2003, 01:22:11 AM
i totally agree with Mac about the dialogue. it just wasn't all that great. certainly not QT great. like how almost every use of "bitch" felt out of place in the kitchen scene.

but as i said before, i felt this was his best use of time-fuckery. if the movie had started with the house of blue leaves battle and ended with the knife fight it obviously wouldn't have been as great.. and the history of O-Ren was a perfect fit. when the anime ended and it went back to the toe wiggle, it was like she had really taken that exact amount of time to wiggle her toe, which is more exciting to me than a 15 minutes later card... and the fact that there was a minimal story made it easier and kind of more fun to digest the telling of it.. i could roll with the punches faster.. i'll have to see it again to cite more specific examples, but every little out of order moment felt really right to me.

oh, and for the record, i loved the black and white. i'm a fan of that part.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: samsong on October 13, 2003, 02:36:05 AM
for me, the dialogue wasn't what you would typically expect for Tarantino as mentioned before, but it still fits his style.  It's heavily stylized and I thought fit the genres and films that he was referring to throughout the movie.  I thought the dialogue was dry and overdone so that it created the effect of reading subtitles... except they were speaking them, alluding more to Hong Kong action flicks.  Also lots of B-movie inspired dialogue mixed in too so of course it's going to suck but I thought it fit perfectly in the cinematic world Tarantino creates with Kill Bill.  QT said that he gorged on Hong Kong action flicks and B-movies for some period of time, which lead him to write Kill Bill.  After seeing the movie I knew the dialogue would be the main complaint, but for me that sort of cheapens what Tarantino's cinema is about.  His films are basically self indulgent love letters to film.  Sure his three previous films had that snappy, memorable dialogue but it's not just for the sake of good dialogue; it works with the characters and the "plot" of the film, or the genre/film that he's referencing... I'm assuming the same goes for Jackie Brown, since I havent seen it yet.  

Non-linear narrative worked well for what goes on in this part of the film, but it being the first half of one, I can't really come to any conclusions.  As far as his "time-fuckery" goes I'll stick to Reservoir Dogs (favorite QT film), because it makes the plot juicier and characters more colorful while have a logical order of events as far as suspense and building a crescendo goes.  Pulp Fiction was all over the place... but I loved that as well.  Leone-esque (Once Upon a Time in America).  

Black-and-white, good.  I think Ghostboy made a really good point when he said that it could have possibly been to keep the visual style of the film fresh; the obvious answer for the b & w is that it was for the R-rating.  But it worked really well, I thought, and I loved the transition from black-and-white into color right before the Seijun Suzuki-style fight.

Needless to say, I fucking loved this movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on October 13, 2003, 09:37:41 AM
Quote from: samsongfor me, the dialogue wasn't what you would typically expect for Tarantino as mentioned before, but it still fits his style.  It's heavily stylized and I thought fit the genres and films that he was referring to throughout the movie.  I thought the dialogue was dry and overdone so that it created the effect of reading subtitles... except they were speaking them, alluding more to Hong Kong action flicks.  Also lots of B-movie inspired dialogue mixed in too so of course it's going to suck but I thought it fit perfectly in the cinematic world Tarantino creates with Kill Bill.  QT said that he gorged on Hong Kong action flicks and B-movies for some period of time, which lead him to write Kill Bill.  After seeing the movie I knew the dialogue would be the main complaint, but for me that sort of cheapens what Tarantino's cinema is about.  His films are basically self indulgent love letters to film.  Sure his three previous films had that snappy, memorable dialogue but it's not just for the sake of good dialogue; it works with the characters and the "plot" of the film, or the genre/film that he's referencing... I'm assuming the same goes for Jackie Brown, since I havent seen it yet.  

i agree. u see, at first i was kinda thrown off at much of the dialogue, sum of which was just plain awkward, but i think tarantino did this on purpose, as samsong has said.

and there were sum memorable lines: "this old tall drink of cocksucker/ that depends, when do you want to die?"
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Post by: Banky on October 13, 2003, 09:56:04 AM
i thought Fox's deleveries were pretty painful to losten to.  This might be a dumb question but why did they bleep out the brides name?  Just so it remained a mystery?
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Post by: Alethia on October 13, 2003, 09:59:43 AM
bingo.
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Post by: Gamblour. on October 13, 2003, 10:40:22 AM
Quote from: Bankyi thought Fox's deleveries were pretty painful to losten to.

To be honest, when I heard Vivica Fox say those lines, I heard Samuel L. Jackson saying them. Her delivery sounded just like the way Jackson spoke in Pulp Fiction (every movie, for that matter). It didn't bug me too much.
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Post by: Fernando on October 13, 2003, 01:02:30 PM
I just remembered that in the animation sequence, one of the bad guys looks fairly like Bill, he's the last one to leave the room, also sets it on fire, so, could this be Bill?

When O-Ren Ishi kills the politician, his car has Mexican flags on its sides (or so they look alike); the Mexican goverment is very nit picky about these things, so I wonder if they will have them remove, because as you most know, 'nobody' in the goverment is corrupt, takes advantage of his connections or hires hookers to be entertained.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 13, 2003, 01:25:33 PM
Spoilers, duh.

Question here.  I was wondering what it was The Bride was trying to get out of her mouth before Bill shot her in the head.  I read somewhere else that she was trying to say that she was carrying his baby.  Is this accurate?

And love it, think it's overrated, or just really hate it, Kill Bill's popularity is really soaring.  It's up to #150 on the IMDb's top 250.  Not that it matters, but it sure means among the majority of people, it's popular and a crowd pleaser.  Though I shudder to think how fast Return of the King will climb.
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Post by: modage on October 13, 2003, 01:26:56 PM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaSpoilers, duh.

Question here.  I was wondering what it was The Bride was trying to get out of her mouth before Bill shot her in the head.  I read somewhere else that she was trying to say that she was carrying his baby.  Is this accurate?

yeah.  i think it was "bill, its your baby".
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on October 13, 2003, 01:36:29 PM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaSpoilers, duh.

Question here.  I was wondering what it was The Bride was trying to get out of her mouth before Bill shot her in the head.  I read somewhere else that she was trying to say that she was carrying his baby.  Is this accurate?

From the script *SPOILERS*:



THE BRIDE
                        Bill, I'm pregnant. It's your baby.

              After saying the "y" in "baby", we hear a BANG and The Bride receives a bullet in the side of her head.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 13, 2003, 01:38:32 PM
Thankya.
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Post by: ©brad on October 13, 2003, 02:06:46 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaSpoilers, duh.

Question here.  I was wondering what it was The Bride was trying to get out of her mouth before Bill shot her in the head.  I read somewhere else that she was trying to say that she was carrying his baby.  Is this accurate?

From the script *SPOILERS*:



THE BRIDE
                        Bill, I'm pregnant. It's your baby.

              After saying the "y" in "baby", we hear a BANG and The Bride receives a bullet in the side of her head.

but in the actual movie, she goes "bill, it's your baby" then BANG.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: bonanzataz on October 13, 2003, 02:08:17 PM
no, guys, you're all wrong. she goes, "bill...it's your bab--" BANG!

pfff, douche bags...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on October 13, 2003, 02:32:32 PM
Quote from: ©badbut in the actual movie, she goes "bill, it's your baby" then BANG.

Quote from: themodernage02

yeah.  i think it was "bill, its your baby".

hey!  bottom of last page people...
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Post by: Duck Sauce on October 13, 2003, 05:25:49 PM
All of you know how I must feel when I say there is no way to even attempt to explain how awesome this is. I loved every second of it and just cant begin to talk about how brilliant Quentin is....

The anime part was unbelievable, it amazed me and i was literally sitting on the edge of my seat for the first time at a movie ever. Best action, best style, best everything. I cant wait for Vol. 2....

The seen that shook me the most was when Bill is about to shoot her and she says "its your baby" in this torn fragile voice and then BLAM.... just sad.

I saw QT on jimmy kimmel the other week and he was giving instructions on how, if you are 12 years old how to sneak into Kill Bill by buying a ticket to see Good Boy (explains how well it did). And I am honestly convinced that QT is going to save the children of the world.... at least from growing up on bad movies.....

Cant wait till his next movie, even if it takes 6 years to come out. i think it will be cool if he turns out to be kubrickian in the sense that he waits a while but when they do come out, everybody knows about it, everybody knows he made it and everybody is there to see it.


Quote from: SydneyThis is a great movie! Easily Quentin's best since Pulp Fiction.


why not just say better than Jackie Brown?/

:wink:
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ono on October 13, 2003, 05:35:25 PM
The thing I find weird about QT is he has this Kubrickian tendency where he takes FOREVER to get to his next movie, yet he's been quoted in an article somewhere where he has these aspirations to get to be as good as Sergio Leone is in his opinion, where he has a sequence as good as the end of The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.  But to do that, he's going to have to work at a much better pace than what he's been doing.  So I'm wondering, which is it?  Because he can't have it both ways.
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Post by: tpfkabi on October 13, 2003, 07:00:28 PM
i agree about Fox's delivery......even Uma's in that scene is quite cheesy (yes i know it's supposed to be, but  a little over the top here)

the link i gave to the filmjerk.com article a few pages back asks Quentin about dialogue directly.......it also gives a little preview of things to come in Vol. 2, nothing major i don't think.......and he speaks about his upcoming project.

speaking of sound design, the thing that made me laugh each time was the high vibrations every time a sword was shown.

also, when Uma was checking out the swords on the wall, i thought it was really funny how he edited that.......overlapping frames, and really drawn out
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2003, 07:13:46 PM
Finally saw it:

Kill Bill is both genius and dissapointing. For most of it, Tarantino is at his very best in pure filmmaking. For other moments, he is without point.

To just say it, from the moment Uma Thurman’s character goes to Japan, things really get good and then go into great and hit some unbelievable notes. Tarantino swirls in imaginative filmmaking like never before and like no other now. He sets an environment and a situation up. Lucy Lui’s character is given a breath of notoriety unlike any other I’ve seen in an action movie in a long time. The anime portion not only is stunning in just detailing and giving color to her now; it also paints the movie to what it is going to be, an all out explosion of Asian action film exploration. Then the essential build up: Uma detailing her past and purpose to the sword maker. Her reputation layed on the table; Lu’s already there. Then the color of Lu’s crime world detailed in unbelievable texture, wit, humor and most importantly, established notoriety. This is all sparks for a major explosian of fighting all leading to the one thing we want to see: Thurman finally fighting Lu. Even the world in the room of the major fight is ideas swirling to be explored: the odd 1960s pop scene intergrated with Asian culture all around it. The environment is perfect to just create anticipation to the fight. To say the least, Tarantino hides the limitations of the actors fighting by being at his imaganive best in filmmaking and playing all the chords right in what to show when. The black and white sequence is amazingly good at making the blood look like paint exploding from everyone. The variety of moves and ways to kill is ever expanding through out the film. Then the switch to a blue black drop and realization Tarantino is exploring almost an entire genre in just one sequence. The only dissapointment in the Japan portion of the picture is the Lucy Lui/Uma Thurman fight itself. Given it is just two people, it is expected to be simplistic. It not only is that, but also very quick in ending. It seems the swings of swords connecting could have been counted in a dozen or so. And given the actors aren’t really that good at sword play, the effect is dissapointing to such a wonderful build up.

Then, everything before this. On my nice side, most of it wasn’t needed. On my honest side, all of it could have been disposed. In the pure interest of comparing fight/death scenes between Uma killing who in her hit list, Vivica A. Fox’s fight scene is pathetic and dismal when compared to Lu’s. The only idea is that it is to just get things going. It seems there more for the purpose of oddness in a fight scene taking place in such a place and being able to benefit off the joke of the intruding kid from school. Then the hospital scene and introduction of Darryl Hannah’s character to kill Uma but then abort at the last second....Not needed. All that is gained is a Tarantino introduction and a cheap comedy finish in Darryl Hannah complaining to Bill. Then the attempted rape of Uma, again for its comedy and interest in oddness. This scene is the most amusing, effective and satisfying of all these early scenes. Its just that all these scenes together matched against the Japan stuff feels like two different movies and so easily weaker because Tarantino is less in thought in how to build up it and finish it. They are just amusing little vignettes to what will come later. Tarantino only gets on fire in Japan. My suggestion would have been to explore Japan further. It is worthy and fitting most of the genre at hand.

I also know this suggests change of premise and set up for it all, but hey, it doesn’t work for me. So much time and energy is paid upon one situation instead of the other that the balance is completely off and tonally not even really fitting. One suggestion would be just dump it and change the premise of who to kill and all. Or: just maybe explore the world of each one to kill in a separate movie. The Japan part is so thoroughly thought out for its limited time that it screams for more time and attention. The LA parts are screaming for any attention at all. Take one world, one type of story and just explore it to its brink. This movie is most comparable to Pulp Fiction in how it plays with a genre. Its just that Pulp Fiction kept it all under one umbrella.

~rougerum
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Teen Wolf on October 13, 2003, 07:14:45 PM
In regard to QT putting out movies every five years or so...

In this month's Rolling Stone, he talks about how he could see himself becoming like Kubrick, i.e. only making a movie when he feels he has to. He talks about how some directors (he doesn't name names) crank out movies and after awhile they begin to lose their vitality. I can see that. Kill Bill to me felt like a movie made my a man who was aching to make a movie, if that makes any sense.

Oh, and in the same article he actually refers to M. Night as "Shamalongadingdong."
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Post by: Cecil on October 13, 2003, 07:47:06 PM
oh... this movie was so fucking good... so fucking good... i almost cried
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Post by: md on October 13, 2003, 07:47:15 PM
the one shot that i loved was the double dolly of the man who has the small axe hitting his head in the house of blue whatever sequence....that was pimp
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 13, 2003, 09:00:22 PM
Quote from: Ceciloh... this movie was so fucking good... so fucking good... i almost cried

Me too.

I can forgive the dialogue. I really can. Better dialogue might have been distracting, really. If every other Tarantino movie has been dialogue-based, Kill Bill is all action and technique. I really couldn't have loved it more.

GT... were you disappointed about the beginning only after seeing the epic battle? I liked the awkwardness and disorientation... it makes sense, really. And maybe that lopsidedness will feel more natural after Volume 2.

I also have to say the fight scenes (especially the fight scene) had more impact for me than anything in Matrix 2.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2003, 09:18:50 PM
Well, I wasn't thrilled with the beginning while watching it. Some of it was fun to watch, but then some seemed as if made by a fan boy emulating Tarantino and the idea he would make this kinda movie: entire Vivica A. Fox scene seemed thrown in there and with only a little of the wit that Tarantino is capable of, as if a fan boy made it.  Yp continue the fan boy idea, it even had Uma Thurman doing the imaginary square, ala Pulp Fiction.

It's just that the beginning is suppose to represent a good chunk of what this entire movie is: the beginning, I think, like the entire Japan episode, takes up 2 chapters. But where is the greatest amount of thought and imagination obviously placed? Because the film is off balanced, I get the feeling that more could have been put into each part. Then again is the idea that with each member to be killed, its own movie is deserving.

But to answer the question, No, I wasn't dissapointed with the beginning when I saw it. The rest of the film achieved that. But, I wasn't impressed really with the beginning while watching it either.

~rougerum
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Post by: Ernie on October 13, 2003, 09:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ceciloh... this movie was so fucking good... so fucking good... i almost cried

Haha, me too...literally. I clapped like a fucking geek along with one other person in the theatre when the credits rolled, I feel like an idiot looking back at it now. Glad you liked it though Cecil. I don't know why, but I really am. Disagreements happen too much.
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Post by: Banky on October 13, 2003, 10:01:47 PM
ebert gave it 4 stars
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Post by: Pozer on October 13, 2003, 10:10:02 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, I wasn't thrilled with the beginning while watching it. Some of it was fun to watch, but then some seemed as if made by a fan boy emulating Tarantino and the idea he would make this kinda movie: entire Vivica A. Fox scene seemed thrown in there and with only a little of the wit that Tarantino is capable of, as if a fan boy made it.  Yp continue the fan boy idea, it even had Uma Thurman doing the imaginary square, ala Pulp Fiction.

It's just that the beginning is suppose to represent a good chunk of what this entire movie is: the beginning, I think, like the entire Japan episode, takes up 2 chapters. But where is the greatest amount of thought and imagination obviously placed? Because the film is off balanced, I get the feeling that more could have been put into each part. Then again is the idea that with each member to be killed, its own movie is deserving.

But to answer the question, No, I wasn't dissapointed with the beginning when I saw it. The rest of the film achieved that. But, I wasn't impressed really with the beginning while watching it either.

~rougerum

I WAS

It Did Not seem like some fan boy created it. It was a fun, crowd pleasing, Bang of an opening. It's as if to let you know right off the bat that this movie ain't gonna fuck around. Quentin's refrences were all over that scene, cheesy dialogue and all.

And Man Did You Miss The Point Of The Daryl Hannah Scene if you thought it was pointless. suuuucks.

This movie brought back memories of when I first saw Pulp Fiction. Can't wait to watch friend's reactions as I make my way to tie Pulp's 5 theatrical viewings.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2003, 10:14:40 PM
Quote from: poserAnd Man Did You Miss The Point Of The Daryl Hannah Scene if you thought it was pointless. suuuucks.

What was the point?

~rougerum
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Post by: edison on October 13, 2003, 10:44:09 PM
I also came close to crying at some points in the film, and as i look back it was always because of the music, that is the only thing that can get to me. MUSIC. If you add great music to a great scene I will get goosebumps and the tears will start to well up. Here are the scenes i can remember this happening during:

The slo-mo walk by O-Ren and crew into the House, track 9 on soundtrack

The closing credits song, track 14

The clap-clap-clap song at some point during the House, track 10

The limo driving scene, track 8

those gave me chills

and there were some scenes that gave me a little girl giddy feeling of just seeing a new QT film on screen, Im sure some of you felt the same way.
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Post by: cine on October 13, 2003, 10:45:24 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: poserAnd Man Did You Miss The Point Of The Daryl Hannah Scene if you thought it was pointless. suuuucks.
What was the point?
Can I jump in here? I was going to reply to what you said about it anyhow. I felt it established more of the Samurai traditions.. that it would just lower them to kill her so easily and so cheaply. That's what I got out of it.
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Post by: edison on October 13, 2003, 10:51:52 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: poserAnd Man Did You Miss The Point Of The Daryl Hannah Scene if you thought it was pointless. suuuucks.
What was the point?
Can I jump in here? I was going to reply to what you said about it anyhow. I felt it establish more of the Samurai traditions.. that it would just lower them to kill her so easily and so cheaply. That's what I got out of it.

I thought it was great to have Bill realize that doing this was wrong, that there was no honor in it, that he, if given, might have to chance to fight against her. Then there was the reveal of Driver now being with Bill, which will make their fight later on have two goals, and should thus be more exciting, to keep the man Driver loves and to kill the man (beep) hates.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2003, 10:52:04 PM
Well, yes, the decision by Bill on waiting to kill her is of samuari influence in respecting the villian. But, its only a single line within that scene. The purpose of effect for the scene mainly was for the Tarantino esque introduction of Darryl Hannah and comedy of her having to abort. It is what dominates the scene. The reason that this lines pops up in the end doesn't change what the rest of the focus is for in how to entertain with what direction to take the scene. The idea of them waiting to kill her could have been dropped in almost any part of the movie and gotten across. The matter of the scene is still cheap humor that plays out like most scenes in the beginning.

~rougerum
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Post by: edison on October 13, 2003, 10:56:47 PM
I didnt think that scene was funny.
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Post by: cine on October 13, 2003, 10:58:13 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, yes, the decision by Bill on waiting to kill her is of samuari influence in respecting the villian. But, its only a single line within that scene. The purpose of effect for the scene mainly was for the Tarantino esque introduction of Darryl Hannah and comedy of her having to abort. It is what dominates the scene. The reason that this lines pops up in the end doesn't change what the rest of the focus is for in how to entertain with what direction to take the scene. The idea of them waiting to kill her could have been dropped in almost any part of the movie and gotten across. The matter of the scene is still cheap humor that plays out like most scenes in the beginning.
Quote from: EEz28I thought it was great to have Bill realize that doing this was wrong, that there was no honor in it, that he, if given, might have to chance to fight against her. Then there was the reveal of Driver now being with Bill, which will make their fight later on have two goals, and should thus be more exciting, to keep the man Driver loves and to kill the man (beep) hates.
Good call, EEz... and for Banky, I didn't feel it was funny either.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 13, 2003, 11:01:29 PM
Point taken. I stick with mine.

~rougerum
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Post by: Alethia on October 14, 2003, 07:56:25 AM
i saw this three times in one weekend.  now i cant see it for a very long time again, or else i will ruin it for myself.  although, the third time was the best, particularly because an old woman sat in front of me and laughed her ass off every time someone died (you shoulda heard her during the decapitation).  her husband kept trying to quiet her, and she told him to shut up every time.  at the end she was like "oh my god, that was so great!!!!  oh my god oh my god oh my god."  hehe, it was pretty funny.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on October 14, 2003, 02:57:31 PM
Just wanted to tell everyone that QT is coming on Saturday Night Live on Tuesday (10-21-03) afternoon on Comedy Central.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on October 14, 2003, 08:05:21 PM
Quote from: Teen WolfIn regard to QT putting out movies every five years or so...

In this month's Rolling Stone, he talks about how he could see himself becoming like Kubrick, i.e. only making a movie when he feels he has to. He talks about how some directors (he doesn't name names) crank out movies and after awhile they begin to lose their vitality. I can see that. Kill Bill to me felt like a movie made my a man who was aching to make a movie, if that makes any sense.

Oh, and in the same article he actually refers to M. Night as "Shamalongadingdong."

linky?
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 14, 2003, 09:10:49 PM
..My 2 sense

I finally saw this an d i thoghtit was good not great but good ..really good..
maybe when I see vol. 2 it will and should feel more finalized for me.  I still think Jackie Brown. is his masterpeice..

What this film was to me was just a badass action film w/ the tarantino touch.  The dialouge was not up to par w/ the rest of the other films he has done, ..The acting is good but not soilid across the board like Jackie Broewn or pulp was .   Thie music was killer ..esp. during the scen w/ lucy's click going upstairs to the club or whatever ..Very cool ..as for the cinematography.. it was the best in any of his fuilms IMo.. really phucking goood .."the house of blue leaves"whole sequuence ..(indooors & outdooors)..beautiful....I agree that the fight w/ uma vs. the many villians was aloot motre realistic and cooler than the matrix vs. the many agents..Also the humor  wasn't as presemnt in this film as w/ the other (i thought)./..the funiest scens was when she cut that dudes head off..andd the subsequent dialouge..THere were also some funny moments elsewehre but not as many as his other films .Which is dissapointingg tTO ME.  the Anime sequnece was awesome ........

***1/2    out of *****





..also its reall ystupid that this isi split up..
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Post by: Sleuth on October 14, 2003, 09:16:50 PM
I don't know, I always found the Matrix to have VERY realistic fight scenes

but seriously, I could have seen Vol2 right then and there, as well
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 14, 2003, 09:38:14 PM
..i mean that other than the ridiculous fight scene between neo and the 1000000000000000 agent smiths everthing else is cool...its just thta one scen e is silly where as in kill. bill uma vs. the many thugs its more sans silly..



side note:....i saw the trailer for return of the king before kill bill..And after 20 -somethign years of watching films i have NEVER gotten the chills THE WHOLE TIME WHILE WATCHIGN A TRAILER AS I DID FOR RETURN OF THE KING..

this film is gonna be so damn badasssss
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Post by: Pedro on October 14, 2003, 09:50:15 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURYside note:....i saw the trailer for return of the king before kill bill..And after 20 -somethign years of watching films i have NEVER gotten the chills THE WHOLE TIME WHILE WATCHIGN A TRAILER AS I DID FOR RETURN OF THE KING..this film is gonna be so damn badasssss
i personally felt nothing for it...i did get that feeling with the elephant trailer though...especially on the big screen.

anyone else here not care for the LOTR movies?
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Post by: cine on October 14, 2003, 10:03:16 PM
Um... me...
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Post by: ono on October 14, 2003, 10:03:53 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombati personally felt nothing for it...i did get that feeling with the elephant trailer though...especially on the big screen.

anyone else here not care for the LOTR movies?
Me.  I don't really care about LotR.  First one was underwhelming.  Second, a little better, but still not nearly as great as most people would have you believe.  I am dreading how lauded it's gonna be come this winter.  I am excited (though leery) of Elephant, without having seen the trailer.  It seems like a really unsettling-yet-powerful movie.  Yeah, those types of movies are like train wrecks.  You don't really look forward to seeing 'em, per se, but you know they're important and you should.
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 14, 2003, 10:13:13 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombati personally felt nothing for it... anyone else here not care for LOTR movies?

Quote from: CinephileUm...me...

Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI don't really care about LotR.


...man you guys are nuts... :wink: ..this trilogy._________.::realizes he is outnumbered::
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Post by: Pedro on October 14, 2003, 10:45:45 PM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI am excited (though leery) of Elephant, without having seen the trailer.
Click.  Here.  Now. (http://www.elephantmovie.com/trailer/lg.html)
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Post by: ono on October 14, 2003, 11:04:17 PM
Quote from: Pedro the Wombat
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI am excited (though leery) of Elephant, without having seen the trailer.
Click.  Here.  Now. (http://www.elephantmovie.com/trailer/lg.html)
Yep, looks like a damn fine piece of filmmaking.  I'm sure Van Sant deserved all the accolades and awards he's gotten.  Columbine happened on my 19th birthday.  That was a bad day.  To see this dramatized, though, I really don't know if I wanna.  It's gonna be really hard to watch.

And Kill Bill rules.
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Post by: ©brad on October 14, 2003, 11:04:53 PM
Quote from: NEON MERCURY..i mean that other than the ridiculous fight scene between neo and the 1000000000000000 agent smiths everthing else is cool...its just thta one scen e is silly where as in kill. bill uma vs. the many thugs its more sans silly.

r u drunk or is ur keyboard malfunctioning? for god's sake, we have the preview button for a reason.

i am baffled, first off, that the matrix and kill bill r even being compared, for the two movies couldn't be more different. as far as fight scenes go, well, again, ur dealing w/ 2 different movies in 2 different contexts. i wish this stupid debate would not continue, but hey, what can i do to stop it? nada. i will say this; i just got my reloaded dvd today and it kicks ass, every last minute of it, especially the neo vs. agent smiths scene, which sent more chills down my back than anything in kill bill.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 14, 2003, 11:15:35 PM
Will Kill Bill Vol 1 make more than Pulp Fiction nationally?  how about globally?

how will Kill Bill Vol 2 compare?
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Post by: Banky on October 14, 2003, 11:20:44 PM
Quote from: ©bad
Quote from: NEON MERCURY..i mean that other than the ridiculous fight scene between neo and the 1000000000000000 agent smiths everthing else is cool...its just thta one scen e is silly where as in kill. bill uma vs. the many thugs its more sans silly.

r u drunk or is ur keyboard malfunctioning? for god's sake, we have the preview button for a reason.

i am baffled, first off, that the matrix and kill bill r even being compared, for the two movies couldn't be more different. as far as fight scenes go, well, again, ur dealing w/ 2 different movies in 2 different contexts. i wish this stupid debate would not continue, but hey, what can i do to stop it? nada. i will say this; i just got my reloaded dvd today and it kicks ass, every last minute of it, especially the neo vs. agent smiths scene, which sent more chills down my back than anything in kill bill.

booyow




dido
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Post by: NEON MERCURY on October 14, 2003, 11:33:27 PM
Quote from: Banky
Quote from: ©bad
Quote from: NEON MERCURY..i mean that other than the ridiculous fight scene between neo and the 1000000000000000 agent smiths everthing else is cool...its just thta one scen e is silly where as in kill. bill uma vs. the many thugs its more sans silly.

r u drunk or is ur keyboard malfunctioning? for god's sake, we have the preview button for a reason.

i am baffled, first off, that the matrix and kill bill r even being compared, for the two movies couldn't be more different. as far as fight scenes go, well, again, ur dealing w/ 2 different movies in 2 different contexts. i wish this stupid debate would not continue, but hey, what can i do to stop it? nada. i will say this; i just got my reloaded dvd today and it kicks ass, every last minute of it, especially the neo vs. agent smiths scene, which sent more chills down my back than anything in kill bill.

booyow




dido


you can compare it based on this anal-sis

1.0  they are both films
2.0  they are both action -oriented films
3.0  they are both fantasy
4.0  they both involve actors
5.0  the scene(s)  (in question) both involve one vs. many
6.0  they are both cheographed by the same creator

::clears throat::

they both can be compared in that sense..and kill bill's comparative fight scene is less silly... IMO
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Post by: Sleuth on October 14, 2003, 11:41:07 PM
I like LOTR, but if I had the chance to see FOTR, TTT, or KB, I'd choose KB.  I really don't like the ROTK trailer.  Come on, how many trailers are going to be like

We will [do something from part 1 where everything was peaceful]!

Today we fight!  Yeah!!!!!!!!!

NOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...........::silence::  [title]
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Post by: brockly on October 15, 2003, 07:46:07 AM
Quote from: @badi just got my reloaded dvd today and it kicks ass, every last minute of it, especially the neo vs. agent smiths scene, which sent more chills down my back than anything in kill bill.

god damn, kill bill sounds shithouse
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Post by: Banky on October 15, 2003, 10:11:53 PM
is it bad that i will soon have a bootleg copy?
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Post by: edison on October 15, 2003, 10:18:46 PM
no, what would be bad is if you dont make copies and share :-D
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Post by: Banky on October 15, 2003, 10:21:56 PM
well im not getting a hard copy

wink wink
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 16, 2003, 01:54:44 AM
Shout-out to LA peeps: apparently (according to Army Archerd on his column in Variety), Quentin has parked the 'Pussy Wagon' out in front of the Vista Theatre on Sunset (the same theatre where Q sat in front of me during Mulholland Dr.).  I was gonna see it there this week, this gives me even more incentive,
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Post by: brockly on October 16, 2003, 03:48:26 AM
aw dude! thats one sick avator. what movie's it from?
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Post by: Sleuth on October 16, 2003, 03:52:54 AM
Un Chien Andalou
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Post by: brockly on October 16, 2003, 04:20:30 AM
thanks
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 16, 2003, 09:18:35 AM
I thought it was a scene from Kill Bill because the VIOLENCE is so GRAPHIC. ;)
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Post by: EL__SCORCHO on October 16, 2003, 04:38:57 PM
I just saw this movie, HOLY SHIT, WHAT A KICK ASS MOVIE!!!!!!!!!!! It fucking rocked! First of all, this is how violent films should be made. Let the blood run and the heads fly motherfucker! woo hoo! I'm not even a huge fan of violent films, but I was jumping and cheering in the theater every time Uma Thurman kicked someone's ass.

This film was awesome from the opening credits. Man, QT sure knows how to use music. The way he used music from the time Uma walked into the japonese bar/restaurant place was awesome. And the way the music stop and cut to the sound of that water thing during the bride and O-Ren's battle sequence was just fucking great.

The only tiny little thing i didn't love was the sonny chiba sequence. As much as I liked the music during the entire film I think it went a little overboard with cheesiness when Uma looks at the swords. I liked how he spelled "Bill" on the glass, but there was just too musch of chiba in that sequence. Oh, but who cares.

I feel this was QT's first movie were he shines as a director. In his previous films his scripts were just too damned good and he just kind of stood back and let the script and the performances take over (good choice). But in this one, he was just telling the story like it out to be told. IN YOUR FACE style. Really great. Kept me in it the entire time. Made me grin, made me laugh, made me squirm.

Fuck yeah, QT rules! Let the heads roll in Kill Bill Vol 2! Can't wait.
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Post by: cine on October 16, 2003, 04:45:47 PM
I wish Tarantino would get an Oscar nod for Best Director...
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Post by: nix on October 16, 2003, 05:55:14 PM
I would litteraly shit myself if Q got an oscar nod for this film. My guess: next to impossible. However, it could be nominated (and should win) for sound. I think the gleefully violent nature of the movie might keep it from getting any nominations (even for things it really, really deserves like cinematography, editing, and the aformentioned sound).

Fight Club (imho) deserved nominations in the above categories as well, but got snubbed on everything but sound, which is why I think KB might get the same obligitory nomination.
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Post by: Finn on October 16, 2003, 05:58:45 PM
I think it'd be awesome if the movie got multiple Oscar nominations including Best Picture and Director. But according to Uma Thurman, it's too violent for the Academy to appreciate it in that way.
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Post by: cine on October 16, 2003, 08:37:18 PM
I'm glad Uma is around to confirm these things for us.....
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Post by: bonanzataz on October 16, 2003, 08:41:05 PM
good editing is just something i don't notice in movies, but i'll say! this movie had killer editing and if it doesn't win an academy award for it, then the academy is just completely insane.
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Post by: oakmanc234 on October 17, 2003, 12:09:30 AM
I just saw it......it was fuckin awesome. First off, the absloutely packed cinema I saw it in was soooo loud, the opening gun shot scared the living fuck outta me! I knew it was coming and when it came (BANG.) I felt like I had just been shot, almost like I had to look down to see the wound on me! Damn that was cold. But it that 'Yeah, QT like a motherfucker' way.

I'm now glad it was cut in two because I'm not ready for the second half. I still have to get over this one! Uma was brilliant, soooooo good. The range she shows (just in this one!) was staggering. Though the anime sequence was a bit too long, I liked it. Nasty and OTT as shit (like the whole film). This was the first time I've ever liked Lucy Lui. Man she kicked ass. Dissapointed about the lack of Madsen but the second one is supposed to compensate. And how cool was the sillouette (sp?) fight?!

What else do I need to say? It ruled. I have to admit though, call me a pussy but I was pretty intimidated by the film for the most part, its a real sledgehammer. But thats just another reason for me to love it more.

Looking forward to seeing Bill bite it......
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 17, 2003, 02:20:05 AM
Quote from: SydneyI think it'd be awesome if the movie got multiple Oscar nominations including Best Picture and Director. But according to Uma Thurman, it's too violent for the Academy to appreciate it in that way.

Sometimes the academy makes bold moves (Midnight Cowboy), this is a popular film by a respected director so it could get some nods.  Not for best Film but definitely for best director.

I just saw this again and I was just as impressed as the first time.  It still stayed fresh and not a single scene seemed 'long'.  My roommate who went with thought the excessive blood was a poor choice and the dialogue seemed force but I think it works in the context of the movie and the movies it is trying to pay homage too.

I own the soundtrack and while it is good, it isn't as good as how the soundtrack sounds in the context of the film.

This might be my favorite Tarantino film.
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Post by: brockly on October 17, 2003, 02:48:28 AM
Just saw it. Christ, unbelelievable. Fucking excellent. Matrix morons made me worry for nothing...... whatevs.....  Kill Bill is easily one of the most enjoyable films I've ever seen at the theatre, after PDL ofcourse.

Oh, and the soundtrack: :yabbse-thumbup: :yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: cine on October 17, 2003, 07:29:20 AM
Quote from: Brock LandersKill Bill is easily one of the most enjoyable films I've ever seen at the theatre, after PDL ofcourse.
:( I'm disappointed that not nearly enough people mentioned Lost In Translation instead of PDL... clearly no offense to PDL because for LIT, I said it was one of the best theatre experiences for me since PDL...
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Post by: coffeebeetle on October 17, 2003, 07:52:45 AM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: Brock LandersKill Bill is easily one of the most enjoyable films I've ever seen at the theatre, after PDL ofcourse.
:( I'm disappointed that not nearly enough people mentioned Lost In Translation instead of PDL... clearly no offense to PDL because for LIT, I said it was one of the best theatre experiences for me since PDL...

LIT better be up for an Oscar.....or at least gived it to Murray (or hell, even Johannssen....)
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Post by: Alethia on October 17, 2003, 10:10:13 AM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: Brock LandersKill Bill is easily one of the most enjoyable films I've ever seen at the theatre, after PDL ofcourse.
:( I'm disappointed that not nearly enough people mentioned Lost In Translation instead of PDL... clearly no offense to PDL because for LIT, I said it was one of the best theatre experiences for me since PDL...

i havent yet said it, but i should have.....
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Post by: brockly on October 17, 2003, 05:03:37 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: Brock LandersKill Bill is easily one of the most enjoyable films I've ever seen at the theatre, after PDL ofcourse.
:( I'm disappointed that not nearly enough people mentioned Lost In Translation instead of PDL... clearly no offense to PDL because for LIT, I said it was one of the best theatre experiences for me since PDL...

Lost In Translation hasn't come out in Australia yet. :x I'm pretty excited about it though.

btw, did anyone get the idea during the long tracking shots in the House of Blue Leaves scene, before the fighting begins, when the 5.6.7.8's are playing, that QT has really been inspired by PTA. I know that we've seen long tracking shots from Tarantino before, like when Vincent is walking though JRS's, but they aren't the kind of shots where we are following one character, then get caught up with another chacter who takes us to another room where we see another character and so on. They weren't really Scorsese style either, they were more Anderson style. Don't know if anyone else will agree, but I just thought I'd mention it. The shots were fucking great. For me, that was probably the most enjoyable part of the film. I'm a sucker for long shots.

Has this been mentioned before?
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Post by: mister mister on October 18, 2003, 12:29:39 AM
I saw Kill Bill last night, spontaneously. I didn't really think much about how violent it was going to be - I hadn't read the script or anything, so it was all pretty amazing to sit there, not know anything about the film, and just experience it.

I think someone has said about how each shot is so concentrated on - there was something interesting in all of the shots. I really liked the comic sort of dialogue too (with the saki thing etc). That seedy looking vaseline tub the Buck had was another sort of gross out humour thing that you dont know whether to laugh at or not.

I don't think anyone in the cinema knew what they were in for - on account of we sat through 10 minutes of Intolerable Cruelty without knowing they had put on the wrong film. I kind of wondered why Geoffrey Rush was in Kill Bill.. haha. It sort of put everyone in a giggle fest until Uma got a shot to the head, where I certainly jumped.

Did anyone think the most violent scenes were in the anime sequence? It's almost like that's what Tarantino wished he could have done with actors. The part where o-ren ishii is under the bed and we see the blood settling into the mattress, and then when it breaks through and drips onto her face is utterly devastating.

There was one part that I really liked - When o-ren ishii and uma are getting ready to fight, and she slowly slips off her white thongs into the snow, I think that looks great. Then when she started walking towards uma and this beat started playing. I mean the soundtrack was awesome.
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Post by: EL__SCORCHO on October 18, 2003, 12:39:22 AM
Quote from: heather
Did anyone think the most violent scenes were in the anime sequence? It's almost like that's what Tarantino wished he could have done with actors. The part where o-ren ishii is under the bed and we see the blood settling into the mattress, and then when it breaks through and drips onto her face is utterly devastating.

Yeah I thought so also. I think Roger Ebert in his review wrote that had this scene been shot live action with actors, it could have gotten the film an NC-17 rating.

What did you think of the shot from the second story floor when Uma looks down and everyone is either dead or without a limb. Oh man, pretty cool!
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Post by: brockly on October 18, 2003, 01:54:48 AM
i felt really uncomfortable during the anime sequence. i don't think i liked it.
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Post by: ono on October 18, 2003, 01:59:17 AM
I think the anime sequence was supposed to make you uncomfortable.  It certainly wasn't supposed to make you think of fuzzy bunnies.
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Post by: brockly on October 18, 2003, 02:02:17 AM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI think the anime sequence was supposed to make you uncomfortable.  It certainly wasn't supposed to make you think of fuzzy bunnies.

i dunno. i've never really liked anime in general anyway.
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Post by: cine on October 18, 2003, 02:06:22 AM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaI think the anime sequence was supposed to make you uncomfortable.  It certainly wasn't supposed to make you think of fuzzy bunnies.
It made me think of fuzzy bunnies.  In a blender.
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Post by: mister mister on October 18, 2003, 03:16:31 AM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHOWhat did you think of the shot from the second story floor when Uma looks down and everyone is either dead or without a limb. Oh man, pretty cool!

Yeah, that was a crazy shot. But then the hostess lady is skating along the blood ridden floor, thats too much!

In australia KB was R18 ... so you had to be 18 to see it basically - Suffice to say, I got asked for ID 3 TIMES before I got in the theatre. When I bought my ticket, when they ripped my ticket, and when i walked through the doors.
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Post by: brockly on October 18, 2003, 04:16:48 AM
Quote from: heatherIn australia KB was R18 ... so you had to be 18 to see it basically - Suffice to say, I got asked for ID 3 TIMES before I got in the theatre. When I bought my ticket, when they ripped my ticket, and when i walked through the doors.

me too. that fuckin sucks, eh. australian rating system is far too strict. luckily i got a fake ID, or I may have never seen either vol. 1 or 2 in the theatre. i would've gone insane.
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Post by: oakmanc234 on October 18, 2003, 04:39:23 AM
Haha, I got 'I.D'd' a couple of times too, when buying the ticket and when entering. Both people felt they had to warn people about the film. The lady at the sales counter said something like "this is pretty nasty" and the guy at the enterance said "this is messed up, man. Its just insane". That just got me more excited!

I don't think anyone in the cinema knew what they were in for either. Its not mainstream stuff at all. We entered the 'MegaScreen' the biggest screen in the city and it was PACKED. The first screening at midday and it was nearly full. I wasn't expecting this at all. I was like 'Shiiiiit, all these people here for QT's latest, my god' (its just a pity that the comments on the way out weren't so good). But the film weirded people out I think. The over-zealous laughter during the Sonny Chiba bit was all too obvious that they were soaking up the only real 'light' moment.

Yeah and there is something really discomforting/alien about the anime sequence, especially for those new to 'japanimation'. Though that shot when O-Ren snipes out the guy in the limo was supreme!
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Post by: Redlum on October 18, 2003, 05:44:49 AM
Quote from: oakmanc234The over-zealous laughter during the Sonny Chiba bit was all too obvious that they were soaking up the only real 'light' moment.

I got that a lot too. I started thinking, "Wait, what am I missing here", some people found it more hysterical than the "Go home to your mother " bit.
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Post by: brockly on October 18, 2003, 06:17:04 AM
Quote from: ®edlum
Quote from: oakmanc234The over-zealous laughter during the Sonny Chiba bit was all too obvious that they were soaking up the only real 'light' moment.

I got that a lot too. I started thinking, "Wait, what am I missing here", some people found it more hysterical than the "Go home to your mother " bit.

the funniest bit was the board room meeting (i won't give it away, but you all know the part i mean). everyone in the cinema absolutely pissed 'emselves. it was soooo old school japanesy.
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Post by: edison on October 18, 2003, 09:13:46 AM
I walked into KB yesterday and i noticed that her name, well last name, is actually said at some point. Pretty neat i though, but you dont really think about it.

Oh, and i read somewhere that they said a reason for the notepad changing ink color and what not is that thats how noticable those types of errors were back in the day, so thats his kinda reference to that, which makes sense in a way because I dont believe he, the perfectionist, would let something like that slide.
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Post by: nix on October 18, 2003, 09:56:53 AM
I meant to mention something about this earlier, but QT actually seems fond of deliberate small continuity errors. If you remember in PF, the first time Jules and Vince shoot Bret, Jules's gun empties and the slide goes back, but the second time we see it, it doesn't. There are also bullit holes in the wall behind Jules and Vince before the fourth man shoots at them.

Also, in the opening scene Honey Bunny says "I'll execute every motherfuckin' last one of ya!" and in the last scene, she says "I'll execute everyone of you motherfuckers!"

I think QT does this stuff on purpose.
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Post by: Cecil on October 18, 2003, 10:46:41 AM
continuity is an overrated concept anyhow
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 18, 2003, 12:42:53 PM
Quote from: nix
Also, in the opening scene Honey Bunny says "I'll execute every motherfuckin' last one of ya!" and in the last scene, she says "I'll execute everyone of you motherfuckers!"
.

He did that to show how people have slightly different interpretations of the same event.
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Post by: Ravi on October 18, 2003, 01:10:08 PM
Quote from: Cecilcontinuity doesn't matter that much anyhow

Damn straight.
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Post by: ShanghaiOrange on October 18, 2003, 02:45:46 PM
Plot holes bother me much more than continuity errors. :(
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Post by: brockly on October 18, 2003, 06:22:56 PM
A pretty cool article: http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/features/20031010-9999_mz1w9quentin.html


he talks briefly about pta's reaction to a section of the script towards the end
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Post by: modage on October 18, 2003, 08:17:53 PM
Quote from: EEz28Oh, and i read somewhere that they said a reason for the notepad changing ink color and what not is that thats how noticable those types of errors were back in the day, so thats his kinda reference to that, which makes sense in a way because I dont believe he, the perfectionist, would let something like that slide.

Quote from: themodernage02one continuity error (although a small one) is that when she crosses out O-ren's name on her notepad.  the name is written in black ink.  while the scene in which she makes the list all the names are written in red, with the numbers black and i'm assuming the black will be better to cross through them with.

Quote from: themodernage02according to imdb...

Incorrectly regarded as goofs: The many continuity lapses and other apparent technical errors are a matter of deliberate stylistic choice in this pastiche of 1970s "B" action movies.
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Post by: nix on October 18, 2003, 10:51:21 PM
I just listened to the Edward Burns commentary on Sidewalks of New York. His motto is continuity is for pussies. I like that.
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Post by: Ravi on October 18, 2003, 11:36:37 PM
Quote from: nixI just listened to the Edward Burns commentary on Sidewalks of New York. His motto is continuity is for pussies. I like that.

Maybe that's his misogynistic way of saying that many continuity supervisors are women.
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Post by: Cecil on October 18, 2003, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: nixcontinuity is for pussies

who originally said that? lucky mckee also makes reference to it on the may commentary
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Post by: (kelvin) on October 19, 2003, 03:33:03 AM
I just saw the movie yesterday and was so disappointed. It is a complete catastrophe, a 2-hour egotrip that has no substance whatsoever. Tarantino has not only made one the worst movies imaginable (which, I know, he intended to), but he has also proven himself to be awfully narcisstic. He can play the role of the enfant terrible, if he wants to, but he should try to steal more from other directors (or non-directors, if you prefer), instead of stealing from himself. And the fact that he wanted to make a bad movie doesn't necessarily mean that he made a good movie.
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Post by: cine on October 19, 2003, 04:00:44 AM
Quote from: chriskelvinAnd the fact that he wanted to make a bad movie doesn't necessarily mean that he made a good movie.
No, it just means he failed.
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Post by: Alethia on October 19, 2003, 01:41:02 PM
he wanted to make a bad movie?
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Post by: RegularKarate on October 19, 2003, 01:44:40 PM
What the fuck?  

Who said he wanted to make a bad movie?  
He obviously wanted to make a great movie... and he did.
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Post by: Alethia on October 19, 2003, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: chriskelvinAnd the fact that he wanted to make a bad movie

that's who.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 19, 2003, 05:11:13 PM
Quote from: chriskelvinI just saw the movie yesterday and was so disappointed. It is a complete catastrophe, a 2-hour egotrip that has no substance whatsoever. Tarantino has not only made one the worst movies imaginable (which, I know, he intended to), but he has also proven himself to be awfully narcisstic. He can play the role of the enfant terrible, if he wants to, but he should try to steal more from other directors (or non-directors, if you prefer), instead of stealing from himself. And the fact that he wanted to make a bad movie doesn't necessarily mean that he made a good movie.

I do disagree. A bad movie isn't the attempt, but a superficial movie instead. A movie land kind of movie. I think on that level, he succeeded tremendously in most areas. Just difference of opinion. I'm mainly replying because its nice to still see you alive on the board.

~rougerum
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Post by: Finn on October 19, 2003, 07:50:07 PM
Kill Bill is #2 at the box office for the second week with 12.5 mil. So far, it's made 43.3mil.
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Post by: Alethia on October 19, 2003, 08:14:00 PM
fuck yes.  TCM wont stay number one for long, that movie was BOOOOORRRRIIIINNNNGGGG.
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Post by: cine on October 21, 2003, 12:21:37 AM
I gave it some time before I saw this again tonight. Every scene was all the more enthralling this time around. Love the anime scene the most. I noticed those ugly crap code dots during the house of blue leaves scene. Such a great, great movie. :-D
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Post by: Mesh on October 21, 2003, 02:46:23 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet....entire Vivica A. Fox scene seemed thrown in there and with only a little of the wit that Tarantino is capable of.....

That scene's nowhere near as disposable as you claim it is.  Also, its domestic nature is part of Tarantino's genius in storytelling.

Uma confronts Vivica on psychologically important turf:  Uma's unborn child was killed and so she exacts her revenge on Vivica in the place where it'll hurt most—her domestic setting, her home, the place where she raises her child.  This scene economically tells of Uma's rage at having her child stolen from her: Vivica's life is everything Uma lost on her wedding day (such a wrenching irony, too).

Your assertion that the scene plays out for cheap "strangeness" is totally unconvincing: Vivica's child shows up at exactly the strongest narrative moment. She enhances the tension between the fighting women, she illustrates that Vivica has escaped from vigilante life into "Soccer mom" life, and she allows us to see that there's a touch of mercy in Uma's revenge, simply because she regrets having killed the child's mom right in front of her.

Not cheap laughs or oddness:  Masterful storytelling.

edit:  To state my point more concisely:  Uma is out for revenge on those who stole her married life and motherhood.  What does Tarantino show us early on?  The revenge Uma exacts on the very mother who helped steal motherhood from her.  Brilliant.
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Post by: Alethia on October 21, 2003, 07:22:23 PM
Quote from: Mesh
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet....entire Vivica A. Fox scene seemed thrown in there and with only a little of the wit that Tarantino is capable of.....

That scene's nowhere near as disposable as you claim it is.  Also, its domestic nature is part of Tarantino's genius in storytelling.

Uma confronts Vivica on psychologically important turf:  Uma's unborn child was killed and so she exacts her revenge on Vivica in the place where it'll hurt most—her domestic setting, her home, the place where she raises her child.  This scene economically tells of Uma's rage at having her child stolen from her: Vivica's life is everything Uma lost on her wedding day (such a wrenching irony, too).

Your assertion that the scene plays out for cheap "strangeness" is totally unconvincing: Vivica's child shows up at exactly the strongest narrative moment. She enhances the tension between the fighting women, she illustrates that Vivica has escaped from vigilante life into "Soccer mom" life, and she allows us to see that there's a touch of mercy in Uma's revenge, simply because she regrets having killed the child's mom right in front of her.

Not cheap laughs or oddness:  Masterful storytelling.

edit:  To state my point more concisely:  Uma is out for revenge on those who stole her married life and motherhood.  What does Tarantino show us early on?  The revenge Uma exacts on the very mother who helped steal motherhood from her.  Brilliant.

beautiful.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 21, 2003, 07:29:18 PM
Very good post Mesh.  Yeah, just look at Uma's face when she sees that kid.  You can see her heart breaking.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 01:28:39 AM
Mesh, to counterpoint your identification of the scene as a deep one, I identify it as just a general hallmark of the genre. I see no great drama or any special meaning at all. It is a ploy only. An idea of "dramatic context" in which to push the story forward, a story of just swirling action. Its the kind of dramatic note that is accepted by most fans as cheesy. It also is what closest alligns these kung fu movies to porns: in purpose to push to plate on sex with a story, a dramatic idea is introduced with absolutely no credibility really given to it.

To explain better. The scene is the first one. In keeping tone with movie in identity by the director as a "movie movie", the stage to the action is highly out of realism. Surbuban cliche is played up and everything in the house and on the lawn is three shades brighter in color than usual. With the meeting of Thurman and Fox, quick montage of past fighting and shared history is shown in mere seconds and like that, the identification of them as bitter enemies is shown. To say the scene physically is dramatic is true. But really, it can't help itself from staying away from self mockery: the scene of the kid coming into the house, seeing the mess is played up as a joke. That should be known considered it was the most highly used scene during the advertising rush. Then they go into talk of who did wrong to who and Thurman kills Fox for revenge and, out of the samuari tradition, tells her kid she can come looking for her someday as well.

The movie is really just acting in an exploitation genre. Everything that comes after this scene is excuse for an over the top action film. You can argue that Uma's near death scene and tramautizing is highly detailed, but what is the pay off of that? A run to Japan to kick some ass. In dramatic weight, the movie really has none because it isn't operating for the idea of this woman losing her kid and husband and everything. Thats just the starting point for an action film. For the drama to really be given credibility, the world in the film must be shaped for the ideas and forwarded to bring them to center attention. I think what you got is a very superficial story of a woman losing her kid that through out the film, you see a revenge story and we follow along to it. The only thing that is effective in the story that effects us is the revelation (spoiler) at the end that her kid is actually still alive. As a revelation, its again in genre framework.

And I don't really discredit all of it. I think as a building tool to what we see in Japan, the scene is worthy. I think that just Fox's character and everything else outside of Japan could have been done away with. Just take all the trademarks of the genre in that beginning part and apply it to a Japan setting that allows the film to fully satisfy on seeing out one world. The first two chapters are way too imbalanced the with second two that both ultimately are unsatisfying. I would liked it all closest under one roof and able to have been fully searched. Japan focus only, basically.

~rougerum
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Post by: Mesh on October 22, 2003, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetMesh, to counterpoint your identification of the scene as a deep one, I identify it as just a general hallmark of the genre. I see no great drama or any special meaning at all.

Re-read my above post.  I never said it was deep, I just said it was an instance of economical storytelling.  I just gave you its "special meaning."  Are you ignoring that?

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIt also is what closest alligns these kung fu movies to porns: in purpose to push to plate on sex with a story, a dramatic idea is introduced with absolutely no credibility really given to it.

No one's claiming that KB has a believable story, or even a complex one.  I was just showing how that Vivica/Uma scene is more than just a cheap, pointless fight scene.  In porn, the sex scenes rarely inform the narrative; in this fight scene from KB, the revenge narrative is bolstered by virtually every detail.  It's no accident that QT puts the fight between two "mothers" first.  You're just bllind if you don't see that.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI think that just Fox's character and everything else outside of Japan could have been done away with.

And my post was an argument against that very viewpoint and you are ignoring it.  I told you why Vivica's scene was there; you're not listening.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI would liked it all closest under one roof and able to have been fully searched.

I have no idea what this sentence means.

Not one syllable of your post refutes anything I said above.

GT, serious question, maybe one you've answered before:  Is English a second language for you?
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Post by: Mesh on October 22, 2003, 05:25:40 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIn dramatic weight, the movie really has none because it isn't operating for the idea of this woman losing her kid and husband and everything. Thats just the starting point for an action film. For the drama to really be given credibility, the world in the film must be shaped for the ideas and forwarded to bring them to center attention.

And then this. How many times have we heard GT go off on a movie for "not being about ideas"?  Jesus.  Let it go, for God's sake, not all films need to be intellectual exercises......Did you really pay your admission to Kill Bill hoping it'd be all about a "woman losing her kid and husband and everything...."?  If you wanted to see a tear-jerking, emotional exploration, you should have rented one.  Don't rip KB for not being one!!!!!!

Let me say it again:  An action film should never be criticized for not being "credible" or for not focusing on "ideas."  You don't criticize apples that don't taste much like oranges, do you?

My god, GT, you are so frustrating......
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 22, 2003, 06:30:25 PM
Kill Bill may not be about concrete, graspable ideas, but it definitely has ideas. I think most of them are in Tarantino's visuals. It's not in what he says, but how he says it.

And you can find a few concrete ideas. There's the strange collision of ancient samurai things with modern things (suburbia, motorcycles)... which kind of suggests that the revenge story is universal.

And let's not judge Kill Bill as a whole before the we've seen the second half. It's like complaining that the first half of a movie doesn't make any conclusions. Well, it probably shouldn't.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 07:19:50 PM
Quote from: Mesh
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIn dramatic weight, the movie really has none because it isn't operating for the idea of this woman losing her kid and husband and everything. Thats just the starting point for an action film. For the drama to really be given credibility, the world in the film must be shaped for the ideas and forwarded to bring them to center attention.

And then this. How many times have we heard GT go off on a movie for "not being about ideas"?  Jesus.  Let it go, for God's sake, not all films need to be intellectual exercises......Did you really pay your admission to Kill Bill hoping it'd be all about a "woman losing her kid and husband and everything...."?  If you wanted to see a tear-jerking, emotional exploration, you should have rented one.  Don't rip KB for not being one!!!!!!

Let me say it again:  An action film should never be criticized for not being "credible" or for not focusing on "ideas."  You don't criticize apples that don't taste much like oranges, do you?

My god, GT, you are so frustrating......

That makes so little sense to your point agaisnt mine. You examined the specific scene to carry a high depth. I said originally the entire movie is superficial and great mostly for what it is. All I am saying is that scene really isn't that deep, but a hallmark scene of the genre. You were arguing depth, I wasn't and attacked your very depth worthy interpretation of the scene.

Still, I think Kill Bill is a fantastic movie mostly. Its just much of the beginning is so off weight to the rest that it hurts the film. Of all things to complain about the film, I complain about that. I do think a necessary build up to Uma Thurman losing her kid, husband and nearly herself is required for build up to the action, but the USA/Japan difference of action is way too off setting. Prolly just try to wrap it all better under one umbrella.

~rougerum
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 07:31:33 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAnd you can find a few concrete ideas. There's the strange collision of ancient samurai things with modern things (suburbia, motorcycles)... which kind of suggests that the revenge story is universal.

How does this collison express any ideas? How does it show differences between two cultures and the shortcomings of one or the other of? At best, I see Vivica A. Fox's character hanging it up and trying to make a new life as a mother with family and running into her past for past wrongs. This doesn't suggest any difference not general though. An example could also easily be of a samuari giving it up and being a farmer in that same world. He still may have to face past wrongs.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAnd let's not judge Kill Bill as a whole before the we've seen the second half. It's like complaining that the first half of a movie doesn't make any conclusions. Well, it probably shouldn't.

I'm not sure if anyone is complaining about the conclusions. Maybe I missed it. My complaints, likely the reason for your remarks here, are of a tonal issue for the entire film. Yes, I understand it will continue to be off balance in the next volume. I still keep with my argument because of satisfaction and potential of Tarantino, he doesn't go far enough with both worlds shown, the USA/Japan difference running through the film. The USA part, imo, is little thought out compared to the Japan difference that I rather the entire film have been explored on the Japan setting so one world could have equaled Tarantino's potential.

~rougerum
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 22, 2003, 08:16:19 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetHow does this collison express any ideas?

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman... which kind of suggests that the revenge story is universal.


Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'm not sure if anyone is complaining about the conclusions. Maybe I missed it.

Well, usually movies like to use conclusions to crystalize ideas. And... you were complaining about ideas. So I guess I'm saying we can reasonably expect more ideas at the end of Volume II.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetMy complaints, likely the reason for your remarks here, are of a tonal issue for the entire film.

The tone? Please tell more.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 22, 2003, 08:35:23 PM
I think I liked Kill Bill more than Pulp Fiction.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 09:32:56 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThe tone? Please tell more.

With the Japan scenario, a set up and situation is followed through the entire way. Beginning with the story of Lucy Lui's character and the revenge of Thurman, a specific story is told. With the USA scenes, the idea of revenge for Thurman is there, but the pay off is always different for each scene. There are a lot of distractions. With the hospital break, a good deal is focused on an odd rape scene really out of nowhere and kinda left there as a good ploy. With investigation of the murder scene by the texas cops, the scene seems to wander just to observe the odd interaction between the two cops. Two cops really of little identity to the overall story. Through in these scenes, things can be deciphered meaning to the higher plot, its focus of story if off. Most of the scenes feel like vignittes out for their own interest. When the Japan part begins, all the scenes are pushed for the final payoff and kept tonally in order to make it all work.

~rougerum
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 22, 2003, 10:24:17 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThere are a lot of distractions. With the hospital break, a good deal is focused on an odd rape scene really out of nowhere and kinda left there as a good ploy.

That was probably there to magnify The Bride's tragedy. More fuel for revenge.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWith investigation of the murder scene by the texas cops, the scene seems to wander just to observe the odd interaction between the two cops. Two cops really of little identity to the overall story.

That scene was there to prove that it was an incredible job done by professional assassins.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetMost of the scenes feel like vignittes out for their own interest.

That's Tarantino. Take it or leave it.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWhen the Japan part begins, all the scenes are pushed for the final payoff and kept tonally in order to make it all work.

What do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 10:40:12 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThat was probably there to magnify The Bride's tragedy. More fuel for revenge.

The massacre during her wedding is the fuel. Your defense is rationalization. With your logic, she could have been kidnapped by stoners and taken on a cross country road trip with them in the back of a van and repeatedly raped. After the dope was all smoked, she woke, discovered the violation and killed them with their bong. That also would have been fuel for the fire. Not necessary and played out to self interest in the oddness of the scene.


Quote from: Jeremy Blackman[That scene was there to prove that it was an incredible job done by professional assassins.

Why not just show the massacre and talent obviously from it? With the cops talking, dead bodies are everywhere but the only identification of talent in killing is just them saying it. Considering they are local sherriffs in some little known place, talent in identifying a good massacre and not a good one seems hardly likely. With showing the massacre, the scene plays out the destruction of her wedding and life with at least some directness.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThat's Tarantino. Take it or leave it.

Considering most of the movie doesn't play for interest of each scene, I'll leave it.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhat do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.

~rougerum
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Post by: picolas on October 22, 2003, 10:44:31 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhat do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.
sorry to budge in here, but how is this a criticism?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 22, 2003, 10:49:09 PM
Quote from: picolas
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhat do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.
sorry to budge in here, but how is this a criticism?

Who are you talking to? I'm not criticizing. Just identifying a good quality about the second part different from the first part. JB also quoted me wrong. I said the scenes were "pushed", he quoted me as saying "pushed off". That suggests something else than "push" which is similiar to "build up". Maybe he thought I meant something else.

~rougerum
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Post by: picolas on October 22, 2003, 10:52:55 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: picolas
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhat do you mean by "the scenes are pushed off"?

They are all pushed for the final fight. It's all build up.
sorry to budge in here, but how is this a criticism?

Who are you talking to? I'm not criticizing. Just identifying a good quality about the second part different from the first part.
ah. i was talking to you. i didn't realize you were saying it was a good thing.

:arrow:  :arrow:  :arrow:
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 23, 2003, 10:03:20 AM
LOTS OF SPOILERS

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe massacre during her wedding is the fuel. Your defense is rationalization. With your logic, she could have been kidnapped by stoners and taken on a cross country road trip with them in the back of a van and repeatedly raped.

Wait. No. I didn't say the rape thing by itself justifies (or rationalizes) the revenge thing. It just maginifies it. It's just a little more fuel, at the perfect time.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWhy not just show the massacre and talent obviously from it?

It works better for the tone and the suspense to keep it shrouded in myth.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWith the cops talking, dead bodies are everywhere but the only identification of talent in killing is just them saying it.

Exactly. That's what makes the scene great.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWhen the Japan part begins, all the scenes are pushed for the final payoff and kept tonally in order to make it all work.

Okay, I think I get it. You're just complaining about the "vignettes" before Japan, right?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 23, 2003, 10:29:52 AM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanOkay, I think I get it. You're just complaining about the "vignettes" before Japan, right?

Yes. And with you bringing up some points, I'm starting not to mind some parts of the vignettes as much. Let's say I see the parts before Japan as an attempt for the equal to Japan, since both take 2 chapters of Kill Bill. Its just with the vignettes before Japan, it feels like another movie. Each scene is made more for just that scene. I would have preffered it all wrapped up into the environment of Japan to get a more tonally complete movie.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman[Wait. No. I didn't say the rape thing by itself justifies (or rationalizes) the revenge thing. It just maginifies it. It's just a little more fuel, at the perfect time.

Good. I'll accept that argument. My overall complaint (as brought up above) still exists.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanIt works better for the tone and the suspense to keep it shrouded in myth.

I agree. My option of some way to change it was more of an example of disagreeance.


Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanExactly. That's what makes the scene great.

Like I said before, to play out the idea of the massacre is good. I still have problems with the cops. The detailing of them interacting and acting as if they do know what they are talking about (when it is hardly believable) feels like an element of Coen brother comedy inserted. While maybe playing out the good idea of showing the massacre as an idea, it distracts cause the focus is so much on them and they are partially farce.

And to finish up, I understand the movie is suppose to be off balance. Its just with two first chapters set in USA and the second two set in Japan, it is obvious where all the though really is. It just feels like Tarantino put so little into the USA part and so much into the Japan part that I'd like the USA part dumped and further examination of it under the Japan part.

~rougerum
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 23, 2003, 10:43:18 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpetwould have preffered it all wrapped up into the environment of Japan to get a more tonally complete movie.

That's a valid complaint. You may think differently after seeing Volume II, though.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe detailing of them interacting and acting as if they do know what they are talking about (when it is hardly believable) feels like an element of Coen brother comedy inserted.

Yeah, but like I said before, that's Tarantino. It just makes it (tonally?) more mysterious.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetAnd to finish up, I understand the movie is suppose to be off balance. Its just with two first chapters set in USA and the second two set in Japan, it is obvious where all the though really is. It just feels like Tarantino put so little into the USA part and so much into the Japan part that I'd like the USA part dumped and further examination of it under the Japan part.

This may not be your fault. Maybe you're just used to the three-act formula, and this is pretty much a two-act movie. Do you think that is (maybe) where some of your discomfort is coming from?
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Post by: prophet on October 23, 2003, 07:36:19 PM
bill oreilly said that kill bill was the most violent movie ever.
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Post by: Finn on October 23, 2003, 07:51:16 PM
It very well may be (within the R rated movie world).
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Post by: Recce on October 24, 2003, 12:06:11 AM
Interesting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.
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Post by: cine on October 24, 2003, 12:23:59 AM
Quote from: prophetbill oreilly said that kill bill was the most violent movie ever.
Bill O'Reilly is also a Lying Liar Who Tells Lies.
He's exaggerating.
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Post by: picolas on October 24, 2003, 12:29:00 AM
Quote from: RecceInteresting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.
where was the funky cut?
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 24, 2003, 12:34:03 AM
Quote from: RecceInteresting and blasphemous anecdote:
I work at a movie theatre. We received 2 prints of Kill Bill. A couple days later, we found out that the person who mounted one of them inversed two of the reals. Consequently, one of the scenes jsut cut off, moved onto something else and then picked up later. Funny thing is, the flow worked. The only reason we found out is because someone who had seen our other copy noticed the difference and told us. I, myself, watched the out of order one and didn't notice anything wrong.

Funny, the same thing happened when I saw Go.  I didn't find out till waaaaaay later.  But it still made sense and I enjoyed it.  Go figure.
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Post by: Ghostboy on October 24, 2003, 12:56:54 AM
Interestingly, I've had the same experience with both American Beauty and Road To Perdition. Sam Mendes must be charmed.
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 24, 2003, 08:48:38 AM
just saw this last night.... finally.

brilliant. ah yes, so good. right now, for whatever their reasons were, I'm happy as hell they decided to show this in two volumes. now I can extend this good feeling until the next one comes out.

4 Xixax's out of 4!!


EDIT - I just read that he made this for $55 million! How fucking great is that?! It looked more like 100+. Someone said "would we praise this as much if it were done by a no-name", well, only QT would put a Pussy Wagon in this movie. So classic. Even though this is against all my principles, I'm gonna buy both the single version of the discs, and the double when it comes out. Woohoooo!!!!!
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Post by: modage on October 24, 2003, 10:34:26 AM
same thing happened when i saw donnie darko on opening night.  a friend who worked at the theatre later told me what had happened, and then when i got the dvd, i was like "this is way less hard to follow."  i had thought the whole thing was non-linear.
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Post by: Recce on October 24, 2003, 10:38:19 AM
I don't get how so many people can fuck up mounting prints of movies. Its not that hard. You just have to pay attention. Sigh. Hitchcock would have gone on a murderous rampage if someone had done that to one of his films.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 24, 2003, 01:35:09 PM
Quote from: RecceI don't get how so many people can fuck up mounting prints of movies. Its not that hard. You just have to pay attention. Sigh. Hitchcock would have gone on a murderous rampage if someone had done that to one of his films.
It happens.  I have some projectionist friends, and sometimes they have to build/check 4-5 new movies for friday morning.  You get distracted, a phone call, some problem, it could happen.

The real danger comes when you're getting a print that's already been played (on the platter system) and the head/tails and reel tags have been cut off, then reattached.  The previous projectionist usually just sticks any one on at hand during the rebuild, that's when the real mix-ups happen.
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Post by: bonanzataz on October 24, 2003, 04:15:13 PM
so, what parts got mixed up?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 24, 2003, 08:37:11 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may not be your fault. Maybe you're just used to the three-act formula, and this is pretty much a two-act movie. Do you think that is (maybe) where some of your discomfort is coming from?

I don't really believe Kill Bill: Vol. 1 really is a two act movie (Maybe you were referring to larger context of Kill Bill both volumes). In this movie, though, there is a feeling of two act in how the movie seems to tell one story with in the USA part and then another with the Japan part. My idea is that the USA part really doesn't act for anything complete worthy of being an equal part to everything in Japan, but seems - in the nicest sense - to set up some things in Japan. Considering that, I'd wish it all been wrapped up into the Japan story for a more effective tone.

I have no problems to a two-part movie and do think I am being quite fair in analyzing this movie. It is a movie still. I do look forward to part 2 and am open to anything. I just may be highly critical.

~rougerum
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Post by: godardian on October 24, 2003, 08:56:17 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanThis may not be your fault. Maybe you're just used to the three-act formula, and this is pretty much a two-act movie. Do you think that is (maybe) where some of your discomfort is coming from?

I don't really believe Kill Bill: Vol. 1 really is a two act movie (Maybe you were referring to larger context of Kill Bill both volumes). In this movie, though, there is a feeling of two act in how the movie seems to tell one story with in the USA part and then another with the Japan part. My idea is that the USA part really doesn't act for anything complete worthy of being an equal part to everything in Japan, but seems - in the nicest sense - to set up some things in Japan. Considering that, I'd wish it all been wrapped up into the Japan story for a more effective tone.

I have no problems to a two-part movie and do think I am being quite fair in analyzing this movie. It is a movie still. I do look forward to part 2 and am open to anything. I just may be highly critical.

~rougerum

Since I've got GT and QT here together, I should point out that Stanley Kauffmann, in his book On Film, gets something about Tarantino so exactly and rarely right when he pegs him as a master of escapism. He's so often thought of in those narrow, thoughtless categories of "indie" or "alternative" film. In fact, Tarantino doesn't make serious films- he makes escapist, entertaining films. But he is seriously good at what he does. Kauffmann articulates this very well.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 24, 2003, 09:35:02 PM
I saw Kill Bill again today (3rd time) and again I like it even more, this is getting closer and closer to being my favorite film.
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Post by: neatahwanta on October 24, 2003, 09:58:33 PM
After my 11th viewing, I'd have to say...I like this movie.
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Post by: Banky on October 24, 2003, 11:04:28 PM
Quote from: neatahwantaAfter my 11th viewing, I'd have to say...I like this movie.

seriously?
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Post by: neatahwanta on October 24, 2003, 11:41:22 PM
Seriously.  I saw it 3 times the weekend it came out (Friday, Saturday, Sunday), then I saw it Friday --> Friday, which was today).
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 25, 2003, 12:04:35 AM
Quote from: neatahwantaSeriously.  I saw it 3 times the weekend it came out (Friday, Saturday, Sunday), then I saw it Friday --> Friday, which was today).

That's fucking great! I think the most I've ever watched a movie in a row was From Dusk 'Til Dawn, which went on for 9 days. I was so happy to see that Sheriff guy back in Kill Bill...
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Post by: neatahwanta on October 25, 2003, 02:43:05 PM
12, and this time there was a glitch: the front sound went out between Charlie Brown-san running out and the beginning of the GoGo fight, but it came back on finally.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRI saw Kill Bill again today (3rd time) and again I like it even more, this is getting closer and closer to being my favorite film.

Here's my question... After Volume 2, can you say "Kill Bill is my favorite movie" and have people understand that you mean both volumes together? Or do you have to choose one volume?
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 09:46:41 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SHAFTRI saw Kill Bill again today (3rd time) and again I like it even more, this is getting closer and closer to being my favorite film.

Here's my question... After Volume 2, can you say "Kill Bill is my favorite movie" and have people understand that you mean both volumes together? Or do you have to choose one volume?

I think you would say "Kill Bill" is my favorite movie.  And they would say, which volume did you like most?
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on October 25, 2003, 09:54:10 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRAnd they would say, which volume did you like most?

Which really means "No, you can't say Kill Bill is your favorite movie... WHICH ONE?"... My point is, how long is it going to take for people to think of this as one movie?
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 10:18:16 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SHAFTRAnd they would say, which volume did you like most?

Which really means "No, you can't say Kill Bill is your favorite movie... WHICH ONE?"... My point is, how long is it going to take for people to think of this as one movie?

Since the first one flowed so well as it's own film, I don't think they ever will.  I guess it depends on how the second one starts, and if it could flow on it's own.

On a side note, I don't think The Matrix Reloaded flows well on it's own.  Imagine seeing The Matrix Reloaded without seeing The Matrix; you would be so lost.
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 25, 2003, 10:21:07 PM
Quote from: SHAFTROn a side note, I don't think The Matrix Reloaded flows well on it's own.  Imagine seeing The Matrix Reloaded without seeing The Matrix; you would be so lost.
I think you have it backwards: imagine watching Revolutions w/out having seeing Reloaded.  I mean, there wasn't a Kill Bill Vol. Zero.
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 25, 2003, 10:23:34 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndAct
Quote from: SHAFTROn a side note, I don't think The Matrix Reloaded flows well on it's own.  Imagine seeing The Matrix Reloaded without seeing The Matrix; you would be so lost.
I think you have it backwards: imagine watching Revolutions w/out having seeing Reloaded.  I mean, there wasn't a Kill Bill Vol. Zero.

I've read this half a dozen times...I don't get it.
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Post by: brockly on October 25, 2003, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: Weak2ndActI mean, there wasn't a Kill Bill Vol. Zero.

:roll:
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on October 26, 2003, 01:43:43 AM
Okay: You're saying KB flows well on it's own.  Well of course, it's the first half of the movie.  And it has a conclusion of sorts.  But there is nothing BEFORE IT.  As for KB2 standing on it's own, I'd doubt it, unless there's some sort-of corny recap (which I doubt Quentin will do).  

Sure, you don't get Reloaded if you haven't seen the first Matrix-- that's b/c the Wachowski's didn't do some bullshit rehash.  They've assumed the fans know the material and don't waste their time.

That probably doesn't make sense either.  Fuck it.
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Post by: brockly on October 26, 2003, 02:49:04 AM
Quote from: Weak2ndActThat probably doesn't make sense either.

yeah, it does. i kinda misunderstood before. apologies.
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Post by: ©brad on October 26, 2003, 04:21:29 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SHAFTRAnd they would say, which volume did you like most?

Which really means "No, you can't say Kill Bill is your favorite movie... WHICH ONE?"... My point is, how long is it going to take for people to think of this as one movie?

i think after both have been out on dvd for a while, ppl will start to think of it at one movie, esp. if they re-release both parts in one dvd set, which im sure they're gonna do.

in regards to reloaded, well, i don't understand why ppl would want to see it w/o seeing the matrix first. it would be like reading the last half of a book before reading the first half.
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Post by: SoNowThen on October 26, 2003, 06:52:59 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: SHAFTRI saw Kill Bill again today (3rd time) and again I like it even more, this is getting closer and closer to being my favorite film.

Here's my question... After Volume 2, can you say "Kill Bill is my favorite movie" and have people understand that you mean both volumes together? Or do you have to choose one volume?

I think mostly everyone's gonna think of the two volumes as one movie. People will understand what we mean.

Now, for LOTR, I think it will take forever. But I will always think of them as one movie...
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on October 26, 2003, 07:09:22 PM
I do see Kill Bill (Vol. 1 and 2) as two separate movies. And I think the general public will too when they have gone dvd and everything is said and done. Why? Distance of release is close enough to follow the Matrix movies in that it is a quick sequel right after the film. Also, the dvd plan is to release both movies generally separately first. The general public will buy these versions. The box set of both volumes will likely be for fans like us more so.

This is also why I have been so critical of Volume 1 is because it does stand on its own. It is complete enough to be worthy of any other movie and so good it even surpasses most movies. It is also complete enough to have the general 3 acts and use them efficently. The ending to Volume 1 doesn't really suggest one movie cut in half, but two movies linked by a similiar storyline and a revelation. A revelation worthy of a serial in making you watch the following one. From everything QT has said, the movies will also be different in form, with Volume 1 utilizing all the action and Volume 2 more classic to Tarantino's earlier films. So I really don't see one film broken in half and really incomplete without its other half. A better example of that would Full Metal Jacket. The first part is only forty five minutes and so focused on one situation that with it ending, you feel you must be payed off with the actual war. The boot camp part is entertaining, but not fulfilling. The first part of Kill Bill is surely both. With that, I see Volume 2 more as a sequel. Or Just "Volume 2". Each film its own volume.

~rougerum
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Post by: Finn on October 26, 2003, 07:28:47 PM
Crap! Kill Bill just went down to number 7 at the box office with 5.9mil. So far, 53.6mil.
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 26, 2003, 08:50:24 PM
It's 02:46 a.m. here and I just got back home from seeing Kill Bill for the first fucking time. I'm amazed. It's brilliant, it's...... damn...... it's really really great. I'm glad I couldn't see this on Friday (when it opened here) or Saturday, because this was just a great theater experience. Everyone was in the mood for this. Nobody left the theater. People laughed, were thrilled and amazed by this. Great movie, Quentin. I need to think more about this, I need to digest it. Oooohhhhhh what a night. I'm really thrilled here.
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Post by: brockly on October 28, 2003, 01:24:49 AM
just saw it for third time. definitely a film that gets better and better after each viewing. im kind of starting to dig the anime... 'kind of'.

one thing though. can someone please explain to me the bit when hattori says "why should i help you" then uma says "because my vermin was a former student of yours". then he writes "Bill" on the window. what does this mean? i don't really get this part. if bill was a former student, and he's uma's vermin, shouldn't that be a reason NOT to help her?
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Post by: Sleuth on October 28, 2003, 01:29:25 AM
Bill is clearly a terrible person who does terrible things, thus he is a disgrace to the clearly good-natured Hattori
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 28, 2003, 01:43:05 AM
my question...
Uma looks at her hands (CU of palms) and she says 4 years.
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Post by: Sleuth on October 28, 2003, 01:52:45 AM
She read the lining on her hands
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 28, 2003, 02:01:20 AM
Quote from: SlobhShe read the lining on her hands

that is what I thought but how can you tell how much time has passed?
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Post by: Sleuth on October 28, 2003, 02:03:13 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: SlobhShe read the lining on her hands

that is what I thought but how can you tell how much time has passed?

You can't because you aren't a samurai
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Post by: SHAFTR on October 28, 2003, 02:05:42 AM
Quote from: Slobh
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: SlobhShe read the lining on her hands

that is what I thought but how can you tell how much time has passed?

You can't because you aren't a samurai

shit, anyone here that can?
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Post by: brockly on October 28, 2003, 02:57:01 AM
Quote from: SlobhBill is clearly a terrible person who does terrible things, thus he is a disgrace to the clearly good-natured Hattori

cheers  :wink:

Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: Slobh
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: SlobhShe read the lining on her hands

that is what I thought but how can you tell how much time has passed?

You can't because you aren't a samurai

shit, anyone here that can?

samurais don't post on forums.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 28, 2003, 03:08:01 AM
another thing i don't get. bill says "there ain't a trace of sadism in my actions" or something along those lines in the opening scene. if there wasn't, why would he let the viper beat the fuck out (torture) the bride before killing her?

has it got something to do with him believing that the bride got what she deserved?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Sleuth on October 28, 2003, 03:11:56 AM
He was just saying is all.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: classical gas on October 28, 2003, 03:16:24 AM
okay, i didn't bother reading through the whole thread....it is long...so, is bill uma's husband?  i couldn't figure that out when i watched it.  great flick, by the way, pure exploitation.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Sleuth on October 28, 2003, 03:19:49 AM
Bill is not her husband
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 28, 2003, 03:33:50 AM
Quote from: SlobhHe was just saying is all.

people don't say things for no reason in a tarantino film....... wait a minute -
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 28, 2003, 06:09:16 AM
Bill says he isn't sadistic.... then he says that's him on his most masochistic. He's telling her that it hurts him that he has to kill her.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Banky on October 28, 2003, 07:04:03 AM
i think my favorite part in in KB is the close up on Bud at the end
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: TheVoiceOfNick on October 28, 2003, 10:12:39 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumBill says he isn't sadistic.... then he says that's him on his most masochistic. He's telling her that it hurts him that he has to kill her.

There's nothing like a little Tarantino S&M...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: neatahwanta on October 28, 2003, 06:45:04 PM
Quote from: SlobhYou can't because you aren't a samurai


Quote from: Brock Landerssamurais don't post on forums.

:lol:  Exactly.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 28, 2003, 09:22:56 PM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumBill says he isn't sadistic.... then he says that's him on his most masochistic. He's telling her that it hurts him that he has to kill her.

i would call having the bride watch all her friends die then getting the crap beaten out of her before being shot in the head sadistic. if it hurt him to kill her, why didn't he just shoot her straight up?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on October 28, 2003, 10:06:47 PM
Quote from: Brock Landersif it hurt him to kill her, why didn't he just shoot her straight up?

because hes being masochistic

basically, it was just a cool way of saying "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid"
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 29, 2003, 02:48:17 AM
tarantino interview: http://www.sbs.com.au/movieshow/interviews.php3

page will be changed in a week or so, so here's a link to the file itself: http://203.15.102.143:8080/ramgen/media/4697tarantino.rm

not that great, but okay.

i'll try and get around to uploading the one that was on triple j. that was much better.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 29, 2003, 05:21:12 AM
Quote from: Cecil
Quote from: Brock Landersif it hurt him to kill her, why didn't he just shoot her straight up?

because hes being masochistic

basically, it was just a cool way of saying "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid"

Yeah, that's it. Of course he was beeing sadistic, and that's why he asked The Bride if shethought he was beeing sadistic. And by saying he wasn't, he was just trying to find a reason to explain his own acts. That's what "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid" means, whenever you hear this.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 29, 2003, 05:54:22 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: Cecil
Quote from: Brock Landersif it hurt him to kill her, why didn't he just shoot her straight up?

because hes being masochistic

basically, it was just a cool way of saying "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid"

Yeah, that's it. Of course he was beeing sadistic, and that's why he asked The Bride if shethought he was beeing sadistic. And by saying he wasn't, he was just trying to find a reason to explain his own acts. That's what "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid" means, whenever you hear this.

thanks guys. i see now.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on October 29, 2003, 06:25:49 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumThat's what "this hurts me more than it hurts you, kid" means, whenever you hear this.

so your parents are filthy liars
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: rustinglass on October 31, 2003, 10:33:27 AM
So is bill the guy in the white suit that killed o-ren's dad?
Why de she go and work for him? Because she couldn't really see his face or...?

this is just me guessing.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Fernando on October 31, 2003, 12:13:46 PM
Quote from: rustinglassSo is bill the guy in the white suit that killed o-ren's dad?
Why de she go and work for him? Because she couldn't really see his face or...?

this is just me guessing.

Quote from: FernandoI just remembered that in the animation sequence, one of the bad guys looks fairly like Bill, he's the last one to leave the room, also sets it on fire, so, could this be Bill?


Are we alone on this one?

Though I've only seen the film once, he really looked like younger Bill, perhaps in KB:VII this will be answered.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on October 31, 2003, 02:18:15 PM
i suspected this too. well find out in feb
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: neatahwanta on October 31, 2003, 02:20:45 PM
I went last night with someone who hadn't seen it, and they asked if that was Bill as well.  Seems very possible, and why O-Ren would work for Bill after the fact is a good question...hopefully it will be explained someday.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 31, 2003, 04:47:25 PM
after the 4th time round, i think i like the anime sequence. may have something to do with the people i saw it with this time. they love anime.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 31, 2003, 07:33:44 PM
Quote from: Fernando
Quote from: rustinglassSo is bill the guy in the white suit that killed o-ren's dad?
Why de she go and work for him? Because she couldn't really see his face or...?

this is just me guessing.

Quote from: FernandoI just remembered that in the animation sequence, one of the bad guys looks fairly like Bill, he's the last one to leave the room, also sets it on fire, so, could this be Bill?


Are we alone on this one?

Though I've only seen the film once, he really looked like younger Bill, perhaps in KB:VII this will be answered.

I'm with you guys. And you should be very happy with that  :P
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on October 31, 2003, 07:37:29 PM
kb:vii sounds too much like kb:7, it should read kb: vol. ii

yknow, for clarity purposes
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on October 31, 2003, 07:41:24 PM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: Fernando
Quote from: rustinglassSo is bill the guy in the white suit that killed o-ren's dad?
Why de she go and work for him? Because she couldn't really see his face or...?

this is just me guessing.

Quote from: FernandoI just remembered that in the animation sequence, one of the bad guys looks fairly like Bill, he's the last one to leave the room, also sets it on fire, so, could this be Bill?


Are we alone on this one?

Though I've only seen the film once, he really looked like younger Bill, perhaps in KB:VII this will be answered.

I'm with you guys. And you should be very happy with that  :P

(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fffmedia.ign.com%2Fkillbill%2Fimage%2Fkill-bill-anime.jpg&hash=61dd3ed7b7cd98aa0a403f48da45d8f88178fb84)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on October 31, 2003, 07:49:37 PM
Oh... and so is MacGuffin
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Cecil on October 31, 2003, 08:00:12 PM
do you think thats the same sword he has in the scene where hes talking to elle over the phone?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SHAFTR on October 31, 2003, 08:06:05 PM
Quote from: Cecildo you think thats the same sword he has in the scene where hes talking to elle over the phone?

no, the emblem isn't on it.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on October 31, 2003, 10:46:42 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: Cecildo you think thats the same sword he has in the scene where hes talking to elle over the phone?

no, the emblem isn't on it.

it could be on the other side
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: rustinglass on November 01, 2003, 06:35:19 AM
He could have bought a new sword, the one in this picture has some imperfections. And new rings.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Finn on November 01, 2003, 09:54:18 PM
Kill Bill question:

SPOILERS (as if nobody has seen it already)

Towards the beginning, Thurman goes to Fox's house and kills her. She then pulls out her kill list and marks Fox's name off. But right above her name is Lucy Liu's character's name, O-Ren Ishii, and it's marked off. So, does the movie have a Pulp Fiction time frame with events mixed up and where the end is the beginning? She must have gone to Japan to kill O-Ren Ishii before she killed Vivica Fox. Maybe that was an obvious issue that I was supposed to catch. But did anyone else?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on November 01, 2003, 11:15:26 PM
Quote from: SydneySo, does the movie have a Pulp Fiction time frame with events mixed up and where the end is the beginning? She must have gone to Japan to kill O-Ren Ishii before she killed Vivica Fox. Maybe that was an obvious issue that I was supposed to catch. But did anyone else?

Yes. I think somewhere The Bride says she'll get O-Ren first because she was the easiest to find.

Also, from the script:


                                  VERNITA
                        Yes and no. Bill got in touch with
                        me right after you woke up, and
                        then again a little later after
                        your episode in Japan.
                            (pause)
                        So I suppose it's a little late for
                        a apology, huh?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
THE BRIDE (V.O.)
                            (continued)
                        ....if O-Ren Ishii, the first name
                        on my Death List, was still
                        alive... she'd live in Japan
. O-Ren
                        Ishii, made her first acquaintance
                        with death at the age of eleven.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 02, 2003, 05:17:06 AM
SPOILER ALERT FOR PART TWO, ADDED BY A PISSED OFF ADMIN!!!!


i only just found out that Budd is Bill's brother. shit!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 02, 2003, 06:44:49 AM
Damn, you could have used the SPOILER mark there. I didn't really need to know that. But that's OK... I think I can live with that.

By the way,do you guys know if the Kill Bill: Vol. 2 premiere will be on February 20th worldwide? It's just that that's my birthday and I can't think of anything cooler than watching Volume 2 on my birthday.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 02, 2003, 09:47:58 PM
didn't know it was a spoiler. it's on tarantino.info under the suposably spoiler-free basic storyline section.

http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/movie/killbill/killbillstory.htm

and here

http://tarantino.webds.de/tarantino/movie/killbill/thecharacters.htm

bah, whatever. im pretty sure it ain't a spoiler.

Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumBy the way,do you guys know if the Kill Bill: Vol. 2 premiere will be on February 20th worldwide? It's just that that's my birthday and I can't think of anything cooler than watching Volume 2 on my birthday.

No, it wont be. it comes out in aus 6 days after us release just like with vol. 1. so im guessing if vol.1 was delayed where you live, it'd be the same delay for vol. 2.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: picolas on November 02, 2003, 10:44:53 PM
that thing is on imdb as well.

shit. this is what happens when you cut something in half and then spread it apart. you're far more likely to see the bloody entrails of the second half when you're coming towards it than if you had left the thing alone.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on November 02, 2003, 11:33:36 PM
saw kill bill again today. for the first time since i saw it twice on oct. 10th.  god i love this movie.  i love it.  it just cracked 60 mill too, wasnt that about what the budget was for the whole goddamnh thing?  60 or 70? so pretty soon theyre gonna be way into the profits., huh?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 03, 2003, 02:08:34 AM
Quote from: themodernage02saw kill bill again today. for the first time since i saw it twice on oct. 10th.  god i love this movie.  i love it.  it just cracked 60 mill too, wasnt that about what the budget was for the whole goddamnh thing?  60 or 70? so pretty soon theyre gonna be way into the profits., huh?

Budget was $55 million, so its already profited.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 03, 2003, 06:14:49 AM
Quote from: Brock Landers
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumBy the way,do you guys know if the Kill Bill: Vol. 2 premiere will be on February 20th worldwide? It's just that that's my birthday and I can't think of anything cooler than watching Volume 2 on my birthday.

No, it wont be. it comes out in aus 6 days after us release just like with vol. 1. so im guessing if vol.1 was delayed where you live, it'd be the same delay for vol. 2.

Fuck! I'll have to find a way to see it on February 20th...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on November 05, 2003, 12:11:55 PM
'Kill Bill' Sound Duo Let Work Speak for Itself

LOS ANGELES (Hollywood Reporter) - It's not too hard for the sharp-eyed moviegoer to detect stunning work by a cinematographer, but recognizing the exceptional work of the film industry's sound editors and rerecording mixers is a different story.

Cinema sound pros themselves look to the legendary work that preceded them in order to gain an understanding of how and why certain sound moments connect with audiences.

Todd-AO rerecording mixer Mike Minkler -- a veritable black belt in the sound world, having notched nine Oscar nominations and two wins for his work on "Chicago" and "Black Hawk Down" -- says it is often the past that helps him decipher how to best approach the sound in future projects.

At present, Minkler and his longtime sound-editing partner Wylie Stateman are busy wrapping up loose ends on the soundtrack for the DVD and other post-theatrical releases of Quentin Tarantino's epic actioner "Kill Bill-Vol. 1" and "Vol. 2."

"People refer to the gunshot in 'Shane' or the 'Dirty Harry' gunshot or the 'Bullitt' car chase or these kung fu movies from the '60s and '70s and some of the wild, crazy sound effects they did then," Minkler explains.

"If you go back and listen to them, you honor them because they work really well. But you have an impression in your head that they were so spectacular; then you go back and listen to them, and they're terrible by today's standards. So you have to analyze: What makes sound spectacular? In my mind, it was how the sound was used. What is that precise moment and what was it blended with? What was its purpose in being there? It's more important that the movie works so the sound in the movie can work."

"Kill Bill" is generating a lot of noise in the industry among those with golden ears who know a good soundtrack when they hear it. Minkler and Stateman say that working with Tarantino and picture editor Sally Menke on "Kill Bill" allowed them to create a track that is unprecedented in terms of its preplanning and its collaborative spirit.

"Quentin's very conscious of the sort of magic he creates with music, picture and sound effects," Stateman says. "He allowed us to work these beats out early and really go for those magical moments. A piece of music might end, a piece of dialogue might end, a cut might occur, and a sound effect might glisten or crescendo at just the right moment so that (the picture) is working very dynamically -- visually and rhythmically. It's all orchestrated precisely with his story."

Minkler and Stateman have worked together as a rerecording mixer and sound editor team for over a decade, on nearly 15 movies, and so they have a tendency to expand upon one another's points.

"That way the creative process can become an artistic process," Minkler says.

Stateman adds, "Rather than a clerical process...sorting through material."    

Minkler continues: "The content is precise. It's exactly what Quentin wants. There's nothing more, there's nothing less."

Whether their work on "Kill Bill-Vol. 1" is recognized during Oscar season for its glistening precision, there's always "Vol. 2" -- or the next project that is music to the team's ears. In the meantime, both say they've enjoyed an unusually high degree of creative satisfaction with their most recent project.

"'Kill Bill' really was a great, collaborative experience," Stateman says. "But more importantly, the movie speaks for itself. It speaks loudly in some ways and quietly in others. It's a very highly evolved creative piece."
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SHAFTR on November 05, 2003, 12:13:27 PM
Will Vol 1 be on DVD before the theatrical release of Vol 2?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 05, 2003, 12:50:41 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRWill Vol 1 be on DVD before the theatrical release of Vol 2?

I remember Quentin saying that he would only release a DVD in a long time, because he wanted his fans really desperate to have it. Hope it's not true.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 05, 2003, 05:32:04 PM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: SHAFTRWill Vol 1 be on DVD before the theatrical release of Vol 2?

I remember Quentin saying that he would only release a DVD in a long time, because he wanted his fans really desperate to have it. Hope it's not true.

that sux! then we'd have to wait like a year for both volumes together  :x
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 05, 2003, 10:40:55 PM
Stanley Kauffmann finally reviews Kill Bill and in all the negativity of his opinion, I kinda agree with him while liking the movie.

The comment about Kill Bill-Vol. 1 is, in its way, amusing. No one holds back on descriptions of the violence in it, the amputations and decapitations, the flood of blood, but then come the rationalizations. Tarantino, we are told yet again, had his education in a video shop. He gobbled all sorts of film voraciously and chose the bucket-of-blood dish as his favorite. All this is told in a mildly sardonic way, but then comes the statement that to this juvenile material Tarantino has brought exceptional skill. The barbarities are admitted but are accepted because he does them so well. These comments seem to me roundabout apologies for (let's call it) the video-shop streak left in the apologists. "Let us all chuckle maturely at Tarantino," they seem to be saying, "and underneath the chuckle, let us revel."

Kill Bill-Vol. 1 (another chunk of it is coming next spring) is different from its Tarantino predecessors. Reservoir Dogs had compressive unity. Pulp Fiction had humor and development. Jackie Brown had a plot. Kill Bill is a series of fights, little more. A woman called the Bride is left for dead in a massacre of her wedding party in Texas. (No reason given.) She recovers and sets out for vengeance on the assassins, a group headed by someone named Bill. (I'd bet that Tarantino first thought of the title, then thought up material to employ it.) This quest for vengeance takes her, with sequences in black-and-white and in animation, from Texas to Japan. Uma Thurman plays the Bride, but she has no acting to do--only physical exploits for which she must have trained hard. Except for Thurman's name, Tarantino could have used any good-looking female athlete in the part, along with the same stunt doubles.

Questions about how the Bride got the money for her activities and how she acquired her skill with the samurai sword are pointless. The really relevant defect of this thriller is that it isn't scary. The scene in Reservoir Dogs with the cop strapped to the chair was upsetting, as were some sequences in Pulp Fiction. But when the Bride is in a large Japanese hall surrounded by about thirty men advancing on her with swords, and she destroys them all with her sword, it isn't frightening--it's ludicrous.

Yet something looms out of this gargantuan mess, and probably will do so even more clearly after Vol. 2. From this welter of violence and its enormous success, a prophecy emerges. Having fulfilled what are apparently the only two requirements, Quentin Tarantino will be the next governor of California.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on November 05, 2003, 10:44:55 PM
that guy seems like an A hole and it seems like he missed the point.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 05, 2003, 10:51:20 PM
Quote from: Stanley KauffmannUma Thurman plays the Bride, but she has no acting to do--only physical exploits for which she must have trained hard. Except for Thurman's name, Tarantino could have used any good-looking female athlete in the part, along with the same stunt doubles.

......... what a fucking load of shit!!!!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on November 05, 2003, 10:52:31 PM
anybody who accuses the showdown at the house of blue leaves as being ludicrous COMPLETELY misses the point of the movie.  and it pisses me off when people complain about not knowing why she was left for dead - hello, wait for fucking VOLUME 2!!!!!  and jesus, just in bills opening lines it becomes kind of apparent why he did that to her......
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 05, 2003, 11:03:41 PM
Quote from: ewardanybody who accuses the showdown at the house of blue leaves as being ludicrous COMPLETELY misses the point of the movie.  and it pisses me off when people complain about not knowing why she was left for dead - hello, wait for fucking VOLUME 2!!!!!  and jesus, just in bills opening lines it becomes kind of apparent why he did that to her......

maybe you missed by how he meant "ludicrous". His point that there is no drama nor really any intrigue at the beginning of it at all. We know she'll just kill them and do it unbelievable fashion. Kauffmann argues that at least for his other films, Tarantino was effective at going for something dramatically. This is a dish served to us. But, as he said in earlier in the review, Tarantino is merely bringing exceptional skill to juvenile material.

Wait for Volume 2 to learn why he wanted her dead? I wasn't able to see Vol. 2 right after Vol. 1, so I am taking this film as a film and judging on its own standards. And what did Bill say in the opening lines? I miss something?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: bonanzataz on November 05, 2003, 11:41:27 PM
basically, bill wipes the blood off uma's face and says, "hey, fanboys. shut the fuck up, it was only a movie. some people will like it, others won't."

sheesh, being pta fans i'd think you people would have become desensitized to idiots not liking your favorite movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: brockly on November 06, 2003, 01:55:14 AM
i really couldn't care less that he didn't like the film, but saying uma didn't need to act is ridiculous
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 06, 2003, 06:13:37 AM
Quote from: Brock Landersi really couldn't care less that he didn't like the film, but saying uma didn't need to act is ridiculous

I agree. I think she was great in the movie and I can give you two examples. The first scene, which I think is now a classic in modern cinema is just amazing. I was really impressed by her facial expression. The other is when she awakes from her coma and realizes she lost her baby and starts crying. I mean, with stuff like that, saying that any athlete could have done that film is just beeing really stupid. It's OK not to like a film, but it's really sad to diss a film using that kind of arguments.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: cine on November 06, 2003, 07:27:03 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumsaying that any athlete could have done that film is just being really stupid.
Right, but people are ignoring the facts here. The reality is that Tarantino is NOT 'any athlete. She's Uma fuckin' Thurman, and SHE pulled off the part. That's why if people say QT could've cast any female athlete, well instead, you could be saying "Thurman pulled off the role effortlessly with great physical acting" etc. UMA did the great work as an actor so why should people suggest that somebody else (like an athlete) might've been better?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 07:57:16 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: ewardanybody who accuses the showdown at the house of blue leaves as being ludicrous COMPLETELY misses the point of the movie.  and it pisses me off when people complain about not knowing why she was left for dead - hello, wait for fucking VOLUME 2!!!!!  and jesus, just in bills opening lines it becomes kind of apparent why he did that to her......

maybe you missed by how he meant "ludicrous". His point that there is no drama nor really any intrigue at the beginning of it at all. We know she'll just kill them and do it unbelievable fashion. Kauffmann argues that at least for his other films, Tarantino was effective at going for something dramatically. This is a dish served to us. But, as he said in earlier in the review, Tarantino is merely bringing exceptional skill to juvenile material.

Wait for Volume 2 to learn why he wanted her dead? I wasn't able to see Vol. 2 right after Vol. 1, so I am taking this film as a film and judging on its own standards. And what did Bill say in the opening lines? I miss something?

the whole "masochistic" deal.  i never said he states specifically why he is doing it, but it's not too hard to at least get an idea of why he did it.

the whole ludicrous thing, yeah i guess i did misunderstand what he meant.  my bad.  by ludicrous i thought he meant "unbelievable", which i thought was odd bc stanley kauffman, this review not withstanding, seems reasonably intelligent.  but that's not the case, so maybe i'm stupid.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: rustinglass on November 06, 2003, 08:32:53 AM
:cry:  my sister didn't like it and we usually agree on everything
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 08:34:46 AM
Hah, I never really believed myself Uma Thurman was acting or anything really great was required for the movie in her role at all anyways. I mean, the part is genre disposable. Thurman does do fine though with what she gets, but really, the bulk of her role consists of her fighting or just speaking lines. RT named two examples to defend this. The first scene, which he liked her facial expressions, I must have missed something. I don't remember anything really good in her facial expressions at all. The scene of where she's crying heavily? An over emotional scene that most actors can do anyways. Make up allowed Thurman to look more desperate. Ben Affleck gets by on his bland acting by crying at some point in most of his movies. Its not a good thing, but reliance on doing something easy to make people think he is a good actor. He lacks most acting control to make a character interesting or show he is within the character enough to go beyond speaking his lines with just a louder voice when trying to be dramatic.

I liked how Taz was nice in telling everyone to calm down with the fan boy reaction and just reverted back to it himself when he just dismissed that review as being done by an idiot. Idiotic, fine, but how so?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on November 06, 2003, 10:05:42 AM
saying any actress could've played that part is idiotic and cruel.  well, guess what asshole?  no actress did, uma did.  you could take any movie you wanted to critique and say ANY ONE of hte parts could have been done by ANYONE else.  but, why would you?  what the hell does that have to do with the film?  why is he trying to judge the film on what it isnt?  why doesnt he accept what it IS and think abou thtat?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 06, 2003, 10:17:57 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetHah, I never really believed myself Uma Thurman was acting or anything really great was required for the movie in her role at all anyways. I mean, the part is genre disposable.

She helped Tarantino create the character, first of all. She has a creative connection with him to begin with, so on that alone I can't see how any actress could have more accurately carried out his vision.

Is there an actress better suited for this role that you'd like to name?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Newtron on November 06, 2003, 10:27:06 AM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanIs there an actress better suited for this role that you'd like to name?
Bruce Willis in drag.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: themodernage02saying any actress could've played that part is idiotic and cruel.  well, guess what asshole?  no actress did, uma did.  you could take any movie you wanted to critique and say ANY ONE of hte parts could have been done by ANYONE else.  but, why would you?  what the hell does that have to do with the film?  why is he trying to judge the film on what it isnt?  why doesnt he accept what it IS and think abou thtat?

It is NOT idiotic and cruel. I wasn't even commenting on the limitations of Thurman as an actress. Every part of the criticism deals with the requirements of the role, or the lack of. And no, not ANY actress could do any role to better performance than someone who does it because some roles do require acting and Kill Bill isn't one. The movie also seems to realize, itself, that it has little to offer besides inventive action sequences. I said why I don't believe the role of The Bride had little to offer by way of acting potential and no one is going after me for that. The criticism is accepting Thurman in the role and criticizing the requirements of that role.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanShe helped Tarantino create the character, first of all. She has a creative connection with him to begin with, so on that alone I can't see how any actress could have more accurately carried out his vision.

Could have more accurately carried out his vision through brainstorming and helping him write it. The interpretation of an actor of a role and judging it is an entirely different matter. The idea that an actor developed a movie does not entitle them to being the best actor to play the movie's lead at all. This is general talk anyways. Like I said, the role of The Bride required really little. Thurman is fine, but she isn't asked to do anything special.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanIs there an actress better suited for this role that you'd like to name?

Personally, I think Angelina Jolie would have been better. She's already proven her ability at action play with the Tomb Raider films but also, physically, she is much more striking as a Bride out for revenge in the most ass kicking sense. Thurman's look and presence, in comparison to Jolie's, feels more middle America in look. More classical beauty that hinders effectiveness to explore the role of an American literally taking on everyone who fucked her over. Jolie, with her American but exotic look, encompasses a face of danger and a believability that she would be out for revenge if these things happened. At attack, she would be more intimidating to face just from presence. The movie seems to stand from that kind of role a lot, as with Eastwood in the Man With No Name Trilogy in where it looks to someone who'd be the most intimidating to face if you had to face her. Jolie is better suited for that role than Thurman.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on November 06, 2003, 11:38:22 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetLike I said, the role of The Bride required really little. Thurman is fine, but she isn't asked to do anything special..
i dont think you have any idea what you are talking about.  do you know how that part reads on the page?  do you know how easy it would be to fuck it up?  do you know how difficult it must be to make that part believable and sympathetic and asskicking?  withOUT coming off completely cheesy?

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetPersonally, I think Angelina Jolie would have been better.
ahh, now its clear you are insane.  angelina jolie is a one trick pony, who would have been so dull and awful in this part i cant believe you would think that.  she has been, as of late, laughably terrible in most of her films.  dont you think its more interesting to cast AGAINST type?  uma thurman is not who i would think of to be an action heroine out for revenge, but THATS exactly what makes her so interesting!  thats also what makes her a good actress, because she doesnt FIT the part.  but when you watch the movie you believe.  she looks like a beautiful lanky praying mantis and you believe she can kick that much ass.  
thinking about angelina jolie 'acting' in the bar scene almost makes me want to puke.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 11:59:48 AM
Quote from: themodernage02i dont think you have any idea what you are talking about.  do you know how that part reads on the page?  do you know how easy it would be to fuck it up?  do you know how difficult it must be to make that part believable and sympathetic and asskicking?  withOUT coming off completely cheesy?

There is nothing to making this part believable at all. Any trained actor could do so. The basics of most actors is that they can say their lines clearly with confidence (unlike many of us) and also shows signs of sympathy when needing to. Instead of resonating with a character frame of mind, they just turn "cruel", "happy" or "sad" face when needing to. I think Thurman was fine in the movie, but most of what she was doing was that. Scene of her visiting the Samuari swordsman and he not knowing who she is at first. Her face is completely happy and she is making jokes with him. Things happen, she turns to onlooker and then when she reveals her true intentions, she turns serious just like that. I have yet to be convinced this is nothing more than simple operating.

Quote from: themodernage02ahh, now its clear you are insane.  angelina jolie is a one trick pony, who would have been so dull and awful in this part i cant believe you would think that.  she has been, as of late, laughably terrible in most of her films.  dont you think its more interesting to cast AGAINST type?  uma thurman is not who i would think of to be an action heroine out for revenge, but THATS exactly what makes her so interesting!  thats also what makes her a good actress, because she doesnt FIT the part.  but when you watch the movie you believe.  she looks like a beautiful lanky praying mantis and you believe she can kick that much ass.  
thinking about angelina jolie 'acting' in the bar scene almost makes me want to puke.

Well, don't worry, you will not see puke if Jolie was in the film. The movie, like I explained before, does not require acting. And considering the main objective of this movie is to play genre, it actually may be more effective to cast with TYPE dominating each character. Simply, the role requires the Bride to be intimidating and able to ass kick. A little emotion to the side, but what genre film like this doesn't have that? If you say it is more interesting to cast against type, then would it be more interesting to cast further against type and get someone like Julia Roberts to play the role? Or what about Cameron Diaz? You seem also to think that Jolie is likely type of girl to play this role (your argument for Thurman says it) but you also believe she would have been terrible for it. I think she would have been fine, but with your contradiction, how would she have been "dull" and "terrible"? If you say she is type, then I imagine the criticism would be that she was "typical". When it is in my belief the movie hardly goes beyond what is already typical for the genre. Its just with what it has, Jole, in playing the obvious role fitting her, would have been more effective.
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 06, 2003, 12:04:35 PM
you guys are arguing about acting in KILL BILL, for fucks sake...

it's not supposed to be Bergman. It's not getting to anything deep within the human soul. It's all about crushing a corpse-raper's skull with a door. Either you dig it or you don't...

I do.
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Post by: phil marlowe on November 06, 2003, 12:21:59 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenyou guys are arguing about acting in KILL BILL, for fucks sake...

it's not supposed to be Bergman. It's not getting to anything deep within the human soul. It's all about crushing a corpse-raper's skull with a door. Either you dig it or you don't...

I do.
that's right. thurman was a true badass, what more can you ask of?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: rustinglass on November 06, 2003, 12:41:59 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenyou guys are arguing about acting in KILL BILL, for fucks sake...

it's not supposed to be Bergman. It's not getting to anything deep within the human soul. It's all about crushing a corpse-raper's skull with a door. Either you dig it or you don't...

I do.

Yeah! Also... I was getting sick of heroes who want to save the world or humanity. For once I want to enjoy a hero(in) that wants nothing else than to...kill bill.
So simple, thus so beautiful.
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Post by: ©brad on November 06, 2003, 01:27:49 PM
my head hurts. i'm gonna stop reading threads and just start posting aimlessly w/o any coherent thought or purpose.
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Post by: bonanzataz on November 06, 2003, 02:05:50 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI liked how Taz was nice in telling everyone to calm down with the fan boy reaction and just reverted back to it himself when he just dismissed that review as being done by an idiot. Idiotic, fine, but how so?

that's my name, don't wear it out.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 06, 2003, 02:22:36 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetCould have more accurately carried out his vision through brainstorming and helping him write it.

She did.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe idea that an actor developed a movie does not entitle them to being the best actor to play the movie's lead at all.

Why not? Explain yourself, you crazy man.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetPersonally, I think Angelina Jolie would have been better. She's already proven her ability at action play with the Tomb Raider films but also, physically, she is much more striking as a Bride out for revenge in the most ass kicking sense.

She's such a statue, and as modernage put it, a one trick pony. I can only imagine Jolie with one facial expression, that threatening sarcasm which would shatter all the sincerity and emotional tensions that should be in this movie (and which Thurman creates). It would be way too much "look at me! I'm hurting people, and I'm a woman!"

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThurman's look and presence, in comparison to Jolie's, feels more middle America in look.

Which works perfectly for the domestic irony, a critical element of the whole thing.

Since you don't at all appreciate the Bride character, I have trouble taking your Jolie suggestion seriously.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on November 06, 2003, 02:30:18 PM
QuoteThurman's look and presence, in comparison to Jolie's, feels more middle America in look.

Are we splitting hairs here?  I still don't know why or what you're arguing about...you're saying Uma was wrong for the role if I understand you correctly.  And that you'd rather have Jolie play The Bride.  That's all well and good, but so what?  Did Uma fuck the role up?  I don't think she did; there wasn't that much to fuck up, and besides, someone else (was it JB?) said that she had a hand in the creation of her character, so why the fuck wouldn't she play The Bride?  

I think AICN is looking for some movie critics of your caliber.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 04:33:41 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe idea that an actor developed a movie does not entitle them to being the best actor to play the movie's lead at all.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanWhy not? Explain yourself, you crazy man.

Its the idea that David Spade had a serious passion for action films and developed his own action film from the ground up. Even though he developed the story and characters, it'd likely be a mistake to put him in the lead of action hero. His job more entitles him to that of director, producer or screenwriter; which many actors are as well.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman[She's such a statue, and as modernage put it, a one trick pony. I can only imagine Jolie with one facial expression, that threatening sarcasm which would shatter all the sincerity and emotional tensions that should be in this movie (and which Thurman creates). It would be way too much "look at me! I'm hurting people, and I'm a woman!"

I don't believe she is just that at all. In Gia, she had to have many ranges and one of the main ones was of innocence lost even when an adult. Through out that film, many times her facial expression and eyes screamed bewilderment from all the mistrust her loved ones brought upon her earlier in her life that drove her to drugs and such. A good many scenes she hits with honesty of capturing that. This was before she became a star and after she did, I think to carry her star role, she started doing many movies only requiring of little things. I recommend her though because the role requires a genre girl and I think Jolie commands more of those requirements which get down to intimidation.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThurman's look and presence, in comparison to Jolie's, feels more middle America in look.

Quote from: Jeremy Blackman[Which works perfectly for the domestic irony, a critical element of the whole thing.

But, the main point of the Bride is that she wants that middle America life. That she wants to get rid of her past and get past all her criminal associates and start an average life. Jolie can better represent that outsider trying to get in. Thurman, like I said, already represents middle America in look. The point is that the Bride is coming from a different world and trying to acquire life in suburbia so it would make sense that she looked the part of criminal also.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanSince you don't at all appreciate the Bride character, I have trouble taking your Jolie suggestion seriously.

Well, then. Maybe the question should be for everyone against me is how the character of The Bride represents anything beyond the stick characters of the genre. I think this is all we got and in trying to aim for genre fitting, Jolie is the better for the role.

Quote from: SoNowThenyou guys are arguing about acting in KILL BILL, for fucks sake...

it's not supposed to be Bergman. It's not getting to anything deep within the human soul. It's all about crushing a corpse-raper's skull with a door. Either you dig it or you don't...

I do.

I agree. The thing is, I brought in a negative review from a man who really only looked at serious work and said I agreed with him while appreciating the movie as an all out action movie. Considering I was attacked for it, I had to get into arguments saying how I saw the movie as nothing really deep at all. I don't think that is its point at all anyways. I just think people here do. So, discussion.

Coffeebeetle, everything you said is beneath any real comment. Not just with your insulting last sentence, but with attempting to try to argue points that have already been made clear by me or asked by someone else. Read the discussion before taking part in it.
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Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 04:54:26 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
The thing is, I brought in a negative review from a man who really only looked at serious work and said I agreed with him while appreciating the movie as an all out action movie. Considering I was attacked for it, I had to get into arguments saying how I saw the movie as nothing really deep at all. I don't think that is its point at all anyways. I just think people here do. So, discussion.

just to clarify, i wasnt attacking you, i was attacking kauffman
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Post by: cine on November 06, 2003, 05:13:33 PM
We could be comparing actors all night who could've been better in parts in past films. The bottom line is this: Uma masterminded the character with Tarantino, Tarantino eventually directed Uma in the role, and she was great with it. I think she deserves some acting license since, you know, this was her character from the start. I don't think there's really much to debate about here.
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Post by: modage on November 06, 2003, 05:43:45 PM
exactly which is why i pointed out from the start that his saying the bride could've been anybody is silly because ANY PART IN HISTORY could've been played by somebody else, so if she did a good job, why bring it up?  seems irrelevant.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on November 06, 2003, 05:48:14 PM
Quote from: CinephileWe could be comparing actors all night who could've been better in parts in past films. The bottom line is this: Uma masterminded the character with Tarantino, Tarantino eventually directed Uma in the role, and she was great with it. I think she deserves some acting license since, you know, this was her character from the start. I don't think there's really much to debate about here.

Agreed.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 05:54:46 PM
Quote from: themodernage02exactly which is why i pointed out from the start that his saying the bride could've been anybody is silly because ANY PART IN HISTORY could've been played by somebody else, so if she did a good job, why bring it up?  seems irrelevant.

Quote from: CinephileWe could be comparing actors all night who could've been better in parts in past films. The bottom line is this: Uma masterminded the character with Tarantino, Tarantino eventually directed Uma in the role, and she was great with it. I think she deserves some acting license since, you know, this was her character from the start. I don't think there's really much to debate about here.

I think there is much to debate and I also think that has been proven with the debate on this page. Especially when it is involving JB, my sworn enemy. I know this bothers some because it involves Kill Bill, which is near and dear to them, but aren't these debates one of the good things of this discussion board? And if you don't think there is anything to debate about then I'd disagree and say a topic like the credentials of Angelina Jolie as an actress and her possible worthiness in Kill Bill is surely worthy of any discussion. Like I said before, the flack comes likely because some people like Kill Bill too much and are getting upset over this.
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Post by: mister mister on November 06, 2003, 06:57:59 PM
One thing I dont get with Kill Bill: why does sophie have that same mobile ring tone 4 years later?
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Post by: Sleuth on November 06, 2003, 07:05:52 PM
Quote from: mister misterOne thing I dont get with Kill Bill: why does sophie have that same mobile ring tone 4 years later?

So that The Bride will find her and use her later on so that the movie could work
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Post by: Gloria on November 06, 2003, 07:06:18 PM
Quote from: mister misterOne thing I dont get with Kill Bill: why does sophie have that same mobile ring tone 4 years later?

She doesnt know how to change it.  :wink:
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 06, 2003, 08:13:32 PM
okay, so I'll jump in here...

GT, as we all know, QT writes his parts with specific actors in mind (most of the time). The part is soooo Uma, with her little bits of humor, and sense of goofy fun, and self-deprecation. Which is essential to the role. You talked about the bit in the bar, well, I thought she conveyed exactly what the situation called for. You said the change seemed too drastic, or abrupt. Well, that could be an editing problem you didn't like. For all we know, QT and Sally Menke might have cut a beat or two out of that part. So using the emotional progression on that scene becomes moot.

A long ways back, Pantalones mentioned something about how Bill was supposed to be played by Warren Beatty, and it made the movie significantly weaker that he would be replaced by Carradine. Now, Carradine did a good job (or so it seemed, we really only saw his hand and heard his voice, no.2 will be the proof), but because of the Hollywood lore over his pimp-talk phone calls to dozens of beautiful women, the role was obviously written with Beatty in mind. It was his role, and one can only wonder why he turned it down. That's the only part where I could see somebody complaining that it wasn't cast right. QT is VERY specific to who he has in his films, and his number one horse was Uma. I believe, of course, that he made the proper choice.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 08:31:21 PM
I actually had no problem with the acting of her in the bar. I just made the point her face change through out it was simple operating of what an actor could do with their face and changing emotions. Thurman's fine for the role, its just I am in an argument of trying to prove the role really isn't that deep to begin with and most actors could have pulled off what she did. And I'd still argue for Jolie being better for the role, even if Tarantino wrote it for Thurman. I know what Tarantino did and all, but I still have the right to give an opinion.

And about Beatty and Caradine.........I'm going to take Pete's suggestion for the role and say James Caan would have been the best choice. Physically, not only is he worthy of role for studying karate for 30 years, but his persona is very much like Beatty's also in that he plays a cool and sexual character a lot of times. He seems to have characteristics of both worlds.
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Post by: Ghostboy on November 06, 2003, 08:36:07 PM
Thurman is great in the film, and she gives a solid performance. But if someone else was in the role, I don't think it would have made the movie any better or worse. As it is, since she created the part with Quentin, expressly for herself, she's the only one who could play the part.

Angelina Jolie would have sucked. Lara Croft will shade any physically oriented role she ever plays, and that is NOT a good thing.
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Post by: Banky on November 06, 2003, 08:47:25 PM
i bet somone random like Wynona Rider would have been good in the role
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 06, 2003, 08:48:09 PM
GT, I have to come back to this issue... You don't see much in the Bride character to begin with, so I can't see why you're pushing so hard for Angelina Jolie. I can't see how it's justified. Ultimately, I think you should accept that we who see a lot in this character should be able to keep Uma Thurman. And I think we should accept that this character doesn't do anything for you.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI think there is much to debate and I also think that has been proven with the debate on this page. Especially when it is involving JB, my sworn enemy. I know this bothers some because it involves Kill Bill, which is near and dear to them, but aren't these debates one of the good things of this discussion board?

Good point.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 08:48:14 PM
Quote from: GhostboyAngelina Jolie would have sucked. Lara Croft will shade any physically oriented role she ever plays, and that is NOT a good thing.

I don't necessarily think so. Like the example of her work in Gia, I think she has the range and there has been extremer examples of someone playing a role so thought wrong for them and finding success. The main example is Bruce Willis in Die Hard and his persona being identified with romantic comedy guy only. It got so bad for him that when trailers of the movie premiered, people reacted so badly to seeing him as action star that the studio actually removed him entirelly from the trailer. Now that's bad. When the movie debuted, everything changed and the rest is history, but I do think Jolie has the range and Tarantino enough talent to help her along to the right beat.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 08:51:57 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanGT, I have to come back to this issue... You don't see much in the Bride character to begin with, so I can't see why you're pushing so hard for Angelina Jolie. I can't see how it's justified.

I don't believe The Bride as a character of depth. I'm arguing for who would be best for the role in line of the genre requirements and with my points, I'd take Jolie. Thurman is fine, though.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on November 06, 2003, 08:55:14 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: GhostboyAngelina Jolie would have sucked. Lara Croft will shade any physically oriented role she ever plays, and that is NOT a good thing.

I don't necessarily think so. Like the example of her work in Gia, I think she has the range and there has been extremer examples of someone playing a role so thought wrong for them and finding success. The main example is Bruce Willis in Die Hard and his persona being identified with romantic comedy guy only. It got so bad for him that when trailers of the movie premiered, people reacted so badly to seeing him as action star that the studio actually removed him entirelly from the trailer. Now that's bad. When the movie debuted, everything changed and the rest is history, but I do think Jolie has the range and Tarantino enough talent to help her along to the right beat.

ARRRGHH!  GT, Gia wasn't an action film!  What he meant was Tomb Raider was so fucking BAD that for her to pick up another action role would be a bad idea simply because that's what an audience would see her as (Lara Croft)...I give up on this argument.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 06, 2003, 08:57:18 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI don't believe The Bride as a character of depth. I'm arguing for who would be best for the role in line of the genre requirements and with my points, I'd take Jolie. Thurman is fine, though.

In other words, you think the character is arbitrary. I accept that. But I can't accept Angelina Jolie.

Actually, I don't think Tarantino has had a character with more emotional depth.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 08:59:17 PM
Quote from: coffeebeetle
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: GhostboyAngelina Jolie would have sucked. Lara Croft will shade any physically oriented role she ever plays, and that is NOT a good thing.

I don't necessarily think so. Like the example of her work in Gia, I think she has the range and there has been extremer examples of someone playing a role so thought wrong for them and finding success. The main example is Bruce Willis in Die Hard and his persona being identified with romantic comedy guy only. It got so bad for him that when trailers of the movie premiered, people reacted so badly to seeing him as action star that the studio actually removed him entirelly from the trailer. Now that's bad. When the movie debuted, everything changed and the rest is history, but I do think Jolie has the range and Tarantino enough talent to help her along to the right beat.

ARRRGHH!  GT, Gia wasn't an action film!  What he meant was Tomb Raider was so fucking BAD that for her to pick up another action role would be a bad idea simply because that's what an audience would see her as (Lara Croft)...I give up on this argument.

I know Gia isn't an action film. I know what Ghostboy was arguing for. With Gia, I'm making the point she has range to be something else and there have been more extreme examples of someone getting past a set screen image and becoming another one. Didn't you get that at all?
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Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 09:26:18 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI don't believe The Bride as a character of depth. I'm arguing for who would be best for the role in line of the genre requirements and with my points, I'd take Jolie. Thurman is fine, though.

In other words, you think the character is arbitrary. I accept that. But I can't accept Angelina Jolie.

Actually, I don't think Tarantino has had a character with more emotional depth.

perhaps jules winnfield (sp?)........ahh, but with the bride QT made me care intensely about a former assassin......yeah, i guess ur right
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 09:36:04 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanActually, I don't think Tarantino has had a character with more emotional depth.

I'd like to hear why you think that. I think nearly the opposite. My idea is that Thurman's character conveys an emotional situation worthy of any drama, but is just for an endless exploitation of action sequences and what not. Tarantino's character of the most emotional depth is Pam Grier as Jackie Brown. Thats a movie where he turned a exploitation film around and did make it into a drama of substance, at least.
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Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 09:39:54 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetTarantino's most character of the most emotional depth is Pam Grier as Jackie Brown.

i dont agree with you about kill bill, but i will definitly agree with you on that, cant believe she sipped my mind......
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Post by: modage on November 06, 2003, 09:47:17 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI don't believe The Bride as a character of depth. I'm arguing for who would be best for the role in line of the genre requirements and with my points, I'd take Jolie. Thurman is fine, though.

if i have to hear you talk about genre requirements one more time i'm gonna shit my pants.  
if all this acting can be simply boiled down to 'emoting through the face' what the fuck are you talking about?
and like i said before, if the precious stanley kauffman doesnt find anything wrong with her performance, why does he need to say that 'anyone' could do it?
also, jolie would have sucked....hard.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 06, 2003, 10:13:31 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd like to hear why you think that. I think nearly the opposite. My idea is that Thurman's character conveys an emotional situation worthy of any drama, but is just for an endless exploitation of action sequences and what not.

Didn't you complain about the lack of action sequences? Did you not say that the first part of the movie was "boring"? There's a lot of drama there. You complained that there was not enough action all the way through, and now you're complaining that the action is "endless"?

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetTarantino's character of the most emotional depth is Pam Grier as Jackie Brown. Thats a movie where he turned a exploitation film around and did make it into a drama of substance, at least.

I think I agree with you there. But that's kind of Elmore Leonard's character, isn't it? Kind of. (Has anyone read the book?)
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Post by: Alethia on November 06, 2003, 10:21:41 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd like to hear why you think that. I think nearly the opposite. My idea is that Thurman's character conveys an emotional situation worthy of any drama, but is just for an endless exploitation of action sequences and what not.

Didn't you complain about the lack of action sequences? Did you not say that the first part of the movie was "boring"? There's a lot of drama there. You complained that there was not enough action all the way through, and now you're complaining that the action is "endless"?

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetTarantino's character of the most emotional depth is Pam Grier as Jackie Brown. Thats a movie where he turned a exploitation film around and did make it into a drama of substance, at least.

I think I agree with you there. But that's kind of Elmore Leonard's character, isn't it? Kind of. (Has anyone read the book?)

i think tarantino may have added just a touch more by making her black, know what i mean?   but then again, he did only do that becuz pam grier is black.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 06, 2003, 10:45:56 PM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd like to hear why you think that. I think nearly the opposite. My idea is that Thurman's character conveys an emotional situation worthy of any drama, but is just for an endless exploitation of action sequences and what not.

Didn't you complain about the lack of action sequences? Did you not say that the first part of the movie was "boring"? There's a lot of drama there. You complained that there was not enough action all the way through, and now you're complaining that the action is "endless"?

Nope. I even checked all my postings of review for this movie, too. My criticism of the movie was a tonal issue. I said nothing about the movie being bad for lack of action sequences or anything like that. The closest I came to it was that I said everything in the movie was really just there for kick ass action and thats it.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 07, 2003, 08:36:38 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetNope. I even checked all my postings of review for this movie, too. My criticism of the movie was a tonal issue. I said nothing about the movie being bad for lack of action sequences or anything like that. The closest I came to it was that I said everything in the movie was really just there for kick ass action and thats it.

You said the first part of the movie doesn't have enough action. You thought it was boring. Am I wrong?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 07, 2003, 09:02:15 PM
Yep.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 07, 2003, 10:24:52 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIts just much of the beginning is so off weight to the rest that it hurts the film. Of all things to complain about the film, I complain about that. I do think a necessary build up to Uma Thurman losing her kid, husband and nearly herself is required for build up to the action, but the USA/Japan difference of action is way too off setting.
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Post by: Newtron on November 07, 2003, 10:36:46 PM
Oh why don't you two just sleep together and get it over with.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 07, 2003, 10:39:08 PM
Quote from: NewtronOh why don't you two just sleep together and get it over with.

I guess you're right. GT, why don't you PM me.
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Post by: ©brad on November 08, 2003, 02:13:08 AM
if anyone is having cyber xixax sex its meeeeeeeeeeeeee! u hear?? so..um, picolas, whenever ur ready...
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 08, 2003, 02:32:57 AM
I'll jump in with my 2 cents.

I have heard a few other complaints about Uma Thurman in that role.  One of my friends said that he just plain doesn't like Uma, but I think that is something about her career, not the role.

I also thought The Bride had a lot of emotional depth.  The scene when she noticed her baby was gone (when she wakes up in the hospital), that was highly emotional, and for me very moving, I don't see many actresses in Hollywood pulling that off.

I loved Kill Bill, but the one thing that makes the film unsettling for many is that at times it is a clearcut action film, and at other times tense, emotional currents are created (opening scene, Uma's baby, Oren's backstory).  They conflict very much (action vs emotion) but somehow it worked for me in this film.  Often times it doesn't in movies.

I haven't seen either Gia or Girl, Interupted so the best role Jolie ever had in my mind is Hackers and that isn't saying much.  I don't see her pulling this film off, I see her looking as silly as she did in Tomb Raider.  Uma pulled off an emotional, action film and looked cool doing it (important in a QT film).  I don't think it's fair to even say anyone could have done that.
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Post by: brockly on November 08, 2003, 03:12:23 AM
Quote from: SHAFTRI'll jump in with my 2 cents.

I have heard a few other complaints about Uma Thurman in that role.  One of my friends said that he just plain doesn't like Uma, but I think that is something about her career, not the role.

I also thought The Bride had a lot of emotional depth.  The scene when she noticed her baby was gone (when she wakes up in the hospital), that was highly emotional, and for me very moving, I don't see many actresses in Hollywood pulling that off.

I loved Kill Bill, but the one thing that makes the film unsettling for many is that at times it is a clearcut action film, and at other times tense, emotional currents are created (opening scene, Uma's baby, Oren's backstory).  They conflict very much (action vs emotion) but somehow it worked for me in this film.  Often times it doesn't in movies.

I haven't seen either Gia or Girl, Interupted so the best role Jolie ever had in my mind is Hackers and that isn't saying much.  I don't see her pulling this film off, I see her looking as silly as she did in Tomb Raider.  Uma pulled off an emotional, action film and looked cool doing it (important in a QT film).  I don't think it's fair to even say anyone could have done that.

i think i agree with everything you just said.
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Post by: Banky on November 08, 2003, 08:22:16 AM
Quote from: mister misterOne thing I dont get with Kill Bill: why does sophie have that same mobile ring tone 4 years later?


thats the best thing said on this thread
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2003, 09:43:15 AM
Quote from: Jeremy Blackman
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIts just much of the beginning is so off weight to the rest that it hurts the film. Of all things to complain about the film, I complain about that. I do think a necessary build up to Uma Thurman losing her kid, husband and nearly herself is required for build up to the action, but the USA/Japan difference of action is way too off setting.

Like I said a few posts back, my complaint was a tonal issue. I'm not arguing for more action at all in that post, but I'm saying the first part of the film matched little in feeling and tone with the second part, the part in Japan. Its just I wished much of what took place (some just discarded from the film) in the first part would have been wrapped into a story in Japan and better alligned tonally with all the great things in the film. Is this me saying that the film should have had more action? Nope. Its just I saw Tarantino at his creative best with the Japan part and think he could have delved further into it.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 08, 2003, 09:56:52 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetIts just I saw Tarantino at his creative best with the Japan part and think he could have delved further into it.

Do you mean that the Japan part should have been spread to the rest of the movie?

And if you thought Tarantino is at his creative best in the Japan part, don't you mean the action?

If "the difference of action is way too offsetting," how could that be fixed? Specifically?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2003, 10:26:16 AM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanDo you mean that the Japan part should have been spread to the rest of the movie?

Yes. To be delved even more.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanAnd if you thought Tarantino is at his creative best in the Japan part, don't you mean the action

Actually, the addition would be less action. I'd like Tarantino bring his storytelling entirely to Japan because it explodes with so much more fire than the characters in USA. The Japan part is basically a big build up to a fight, its just that this is so good that I'd the more natural storytelling also be here for the characters in Japan because they are more interesting. Tarantino feels closer to the genre here and because of it, more in love with the environment. I'd like to have seen that love extended.
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 08, 2003, 10:53:57 AM
GT, you are a huge fan of genres.  Although Kill Bill is a homage to a particular genre, I think that it transcends that genre and becomes something else, something that doesn't exactly fit neatly inside a category.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 08, 2003, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetActually, the addition would be less action.

You're hurting my head.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd like Tarantino bring his storytelling entirely to Japan because it explodes with so much more fire than the characters in USA.

Okay so now you want more explosions?

But seriously. Don't you think the action helps the Japan story? Doesn't that make it exciting?

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd the more natural storytelling also be here for the characters in Japan because they are more interesting.

Natural storytelling as in character development, fight scene, character development, fight scene, character development, fight scene? This movie would bore me if it was that conventional.
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Post by: coffeebeetle on November 08, 2003, 11:26:00 AM
:lol:

I'm trying to figure out which one is Mathau (sp?) and which is Lemmon...cuz you two sure sound like grumpy old men.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2003, 11:50:40 AM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanYou're hurting my head.

You're hurting mine with bad assumptions.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetI'd like Tarantino bring his storytelling entirely to Japan because it explodes with so much more fire than the characters in USA.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanDon't you think the action helps the Japan story? Doesn't that make it exciting?

Yes, but it isn't everything. I'm talking about the color of the characters being delved into more.

Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanNatural storytelling as in character development, fight scene, character development, fight scene, character development, fight scene? This movie would bore me if it was that conventional.

Who says the addition of more natural storytelling has to result with that? The characters in Japan are so good and so colorful with this genre that I would have like to seen additonal story for them. It doesn't mean necessarily having that result at all.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 08, 2003, 11:55:45 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanYou're hurting my head.

You're hurting mine with bad assumptions.

Now you're hurting me where it counts.  :cry:

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWho says the addition of more natural storytelling has to result with that?

I think I understand what you mean by more storytelling, but what do you mean by natural storytelling? Really, what does that mean?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 08, 2003, 12:04:00 PM
Quote from: Jeremy BlackmanI think I understand what you mean by more storytelling, but what do you mean by natural storytelling? Really, what does that mean?

Well, for Tarantino, I'm guessing interaction of characters and development of a story more. The effect of just build up in Japan is nice for the action and all, but it is sad because that is all the Japan part seems to rest on. A larger story would have made the final action sequences more effective.
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Post by: Jeremy Blackman on November 08, 2003, 12:53:20 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetA larger story would have made the final action sequences more effective.

Maybe your complaint is really with the fact that this is two volumes. How can you expect a large story with half of the movie?
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Post by: Kal on November 08, 2003, 02:42:07 PM
I just want to see the rest of the story before thinking that way... I'm really satisfied with the first part... it has some things missing that I'm sure we'll see in the 2nd volume...
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Post by: Finn on November 08, 2003, 03:25:57 PM
I'm really shocked that Kill Bill has already left theaters where I live. Matrix opened and knocked out 5 different movies! And Revolutions sucked anyway!
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Post by: Sleuth on November 08, 2003, 03:59:25 PM
KILL BILL SHOULD NEVER LEAVE THEATERS WHEN WILL PEOPLE STOP BEING STUPID
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Post by: cine on November 08, 2003, 04:24:57 PM
How about losing Mystic River after 2 weeks? This is a Famous Players too and it was STILL gone in half a month. Kill Bill will be leaving next week. :(
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Post by: Finn on November 08, 2003, 09:38:46 PM
Run out and see again while you have the chance. I got to see Kill Bill for the second time last weekend and it was the last weekend that it showed. Besides, it may be a long time for the DVD!
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on November 09, 2003, 12:00:40 AM
Quote from: SydneyBesides, it may be a long time for the DVD!
Calm yourself, Vol. 1 will surely be out before February when we get the rest of the movie.
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Post by: Recce on November 09, 2003, 12:17:59 AM
Ffunny story about Bill's sword. I saw David Carradine on Craig Kilborn and he was saying that they had a special sword for Bill with the devil emblem carved on the sword itself. However, before shooting started, it was stolen, so they had to use a sword without the emblem in the actual film. Wish I had stolen it. Although, its probly for sale on eBay by now.
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Post by: cine on November 09, 2003, 01:13:52 AM
Quote from: SydneyBesides, it may be a long time for the DVD!
Well it'll be before Kill Bill Vol. 2 is released......
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Post by: brockly on November 09, 2003, 02:27:30 AM
Quote from: Weak2ndActVol. 1 will surely be out before February when we get the rest of the movie.

Quote from: CinephileWell it'll be before Kill Bill Vol. 2 is released......

how do you guys know this?
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Post by: bonanzataz on November 09, 2003, 02:32:06 AM
let's break it down brock.

ASSUME

when you assume, you make an ASS out of U and ME (me meaning you're building my damn hopes up and the DVD probably won't be out until next october or some shit).


i couldn't wait. i got a bootleg yesterday and have watched the movie 2 times since. and i think i'm going to see it for the final time in theaters this week before it moves out. i'm a sick, desperate individual.
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Post by: Ghostboy on November 09, 2003, 02:34:32 AM
Well, you know they're going to try to milk it for all its worth, so they'll release the DVD right before Volume 2 comes out (a la Matrix Reloaded), then they'll release V. 2 on dvd in the summer, and then the deluxe edition will be out by next Christmas.
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Post by: Finn on November 09, 2003, 02:01:26 PM
Kill Bill has finally left the top ten box office list. :cry:
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Post by: cine on November 09, 2003, 02:23:22 PM
It's going to hurt to see Brother Bear surpass Kill Bill for box office. Not like I expected the BB audience to get into KB, but still. The idea of films like BB and TCM drawing more money than a Tarantino film upsets me.
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Post by: Alethia on November 09, 2003, 06:36:39 PM
dont you feel kinda proud tho?
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Post by: cine on November 10, 2003, 12:03:13 AM
I'm proud it's going to make lots of profit, but depressed that a lot of people were more interested in something like the TCM.
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Post by: Alethia on November 10, 2003, 08:04:11 AM
it makes me feel smarter lol
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Post by: cine on November 10, 2003, 08:14:10 AM
No, see.. for me, it makes me feel dumber knowing I live in a society that would prefer a shitty horror remake over a Tarantino film.
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Post by: Alethia on November 10, 2003, 09:29:37 AM
understood.
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Post by: Finn on November 10, 2003, 06:28:11 PM
I completly agree with Cinephile, it just happens over and over. I guess the audience has never listen to Wise Up by Aimee Mann. Oh wait, they don't even know and don't care who Aimee Mann even is! :evil:
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 10, 2003, 06:34:38 PM
But I really can understand that some people may not like something like Kill Bill or Magnolia. Let's face it, one is a movie where we see a whire holding an airplane and the other is a movie that's 3 hours long and we have a rain of frogs. It's not easy for people who don't really care about movies as an art form to sit through this. Most of us love the movies, because whe LOVE movies. It's a shame that some people can't get these movies (and I don't mean "get" as "I'm a fucking genious and you're stupid and don't understand the movie"), but I can understand them.
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Post by: cine on November 11, 2003, 12:21:57 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumIt's not easy for people who don't really care about movies as an art form to sit through this.
This could lead to the topic of the philosophy of film and what the medium is for, and where the popular culture has been directed for a the past couple decades.
Basically, I think the average person should be attracted to a PTA or Tarantino film.
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 11, 2003, 05:34:50 AM
Quote from: CinephileBasically, I think the average person should be attracted to a PTA or Tarantino film.

Explain :)
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Post by: ono on November 11, 2003, 12:16:59 PM
Me, I don't think the average person should or would be attracted to a Tarantino film.  While I enjoyed Kill Bill, it lacked heart.  Pulp Fiction was a masterpiece, Jackie Brown was a fine wine, so mature.  And I would hope, in an ideal society, that it's Jackie Brown that people would be drawn to.  I think it's his most accomplished work, come to think of it.  Though Pulp Fiction is his best overall, Jackie Brown is so much more mature, leisurely, and thought out, and that really speaks volumes about what Tarantino is capable of, once he gets the need to show off out of his system.

As for PTA, well, yes, everyone should love his films.  It pisses me off that pop culture has turned the majority of films into tired rehashes and lame sitcoms.  PTA is where it's at if you want to get an accurate depiction of the human condition, and realistic, heartwarming (or heartrending) drama.  But I think those days will be over soon, as PTA is an artist, and my guess (or hope, really) is he'll digress further and further away from these normal narratives and start giving us stuff that is really unique.  You think frogs falling from the sky, broken harmoniums, and random truck crashes were weird?  You ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Post by: Banky on November 14, 2003, 08:42:53 AM
i would like to see this

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or this

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Post by: MacGuffin on November 14, 2003, 09:05:09 AM
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Post by: Pedro on November 15, 2003, 12:00:41 AM
Quote from: MacGuffin(https://xixax.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimagecache2.allposters.com%2Fimages%2F153%2FKillBill-montage.jpg&hash=a569cfcf095e4fdef66ad51d1af7a4dbdc8caace)
:shock:


:yabbse-thumbup:
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Post by: Weak2ndAct on November 18, 2003, 01:09:39 AM
Well, finally got around to a second viewing tonite.  It was good to have some distance after my initial KB overload (like reading the script beforehand, seeing oodles of clips, and building it up in my head).  I truly, deeply loved it this time.  Even more that I first did.  Old gripes vanished, don't have any new ones.

Though, I did have one thought... how pimp would it have been during the last line if the camera craned up to Bill's face?  I mean, the last line's such an 'oh shit!', I think I would have had a nervous breakdown if they did the reveal then.  Oh well, hoping it's done right in Vol. 2.
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Post by: modage on November 24, 2003, 12:03:43 PM
what happened to the tarantino thread?  kill bill just came out a little over a month ago and its been so inactive over here.  arent there still ripples from pdl going on in the pta forum?
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Post by: cine on November 24, 2003, 12:46:30 PM
Quote from: themodernage02what happened to the tarantino thread?  kill bill just came out a little over a month ago and its been so inactive over here.  arent there still ripples from pdl going on in the pta forum?
hardly.
Kill Bill came over a little over a month ago but it was taken out of theatres a few weeks ago. The discussions in the Tarantino thread have probably tired some people out. I know I'm one of them. I'm sure it'll juice up again once the specs for the DVD are out, or something new/original is brought up.
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Post by: Fernando on November 24, 2003, 03:24:18 PM
Quote from: Cinephile
Quote from: themodernage02what happened to the tarantino thread?  kill bill just came out a little over a month ago and its been so inactive over here.  arent there still ripples from pdl going on in the pta forum?
hardly.
Kill Bill came over a little over a month ago but it was taken out of theatres a few weeks ago. The discussions in the Tarantino thread have probably tired some people out. I know I'm one of them. I'm sure it'll juice up again once the specs for the DVD are out, or something new/original is brought up.

Next friday KB will finally be release in Mexico (don't know about Southamerica, Europe, Australia), and although I already saw it, I can't wait to see it again.

Sure some people that haven't seen it yet will comment on this one.
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 12:04:07 AM
Interesting comparison.

PTA's Punch-Drunk Love and QT's Kill Bill.  Both are their versions of Saturday Night movies.
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 12:13:28 AM
Well, I've had an interesting history with Kill Bill already. I went from really loving it to then posting a negative review and forced to defend it because of malicious responces andthen to argue all the points of the review to death and now basically enjoying it as action film fare, but a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 12:28:24 AM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, I've had an interesting history with Kill Bill already. I went from really loving it to then posting a negative review and forced to defend it because of malicious responces andthen to argue all the points of the review to death and now basically enjoying it as action film fare, but a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!

How many times have you seen it?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 08:17:06 AM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, I've had an interesting history with Kill Bill already. I went from really loving it to then posting a negative review and forced to defend it because of malicious responces andthen to argue all the points of the review to death and now basically enjoying it as action film fare, but a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!

How many times have you seen it?

Once. Does that discredit my opinion? If so, how?
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 11:13:25 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetWell, I've had an interesting history with Kill Bill already. I went from really loving it to then posting a negative review and forced to defend it because of malicious responces andthen to argue all the points of the review to death and now basically enjoying it as action film fare, but a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!

How many times have you seen it?

Once. Does that discredit my opinion? If so, how?

It does discredit your opinion a little bit.  After one viewing, you went from loving > negative > enjoying as a failure.  Your opinion of the film has obviously changed after 0 subsequent viewings so I think it's only fair that you need to see it again so that you can have your position solidified.   There is a chance that either a) false memory or b) things that you have heard/read afterwards has changed your opinion.
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Post by: modage on November 25, 2003, 11:45:09 AM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpetbut a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!

who sets the standard for what a Tarantino film should be.  you?
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Post by: SoNowThen on November 25, 2003, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpetbut a complete failure for a Quentin Tarantino film. Cheers!

Well, GT, by that token, PDL was a complete failure for a PTA movie.

We must allow artists to change directions when they see fit.
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Post by: Kal on November 25, 2003, 12:45:58 PM
yeah well everyone has their opinions and arguments about why a movie is good or bad... but if you want other people to think like you do the least they need is a valid explanation... if someone loves the movie, then hates it, then just writes a lot of crap... its kinda difficult to make a point.

these type of movies are subject to many things of each individual's brain and that means every person interprets it different and may love ir or hate it and it doesnt mean shit... its the same that happened with most of the PTA movies or Mulholland Drive and many other movies...

just end the discussion about who is right and who is wrong... nobody knows... if you like it good, if you didnt but dont say why then in my opinion you're a moron, but thats just me  :roll:
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 04:28:43 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRIt does discredit your opinion a little bit.  After one viewing, you went from loving > negative > enjoying as a failure.  Your opinion of the film has obviously changed after 0 subsequent viewings so I think it's only fair that you need to see it again so that you can have your position solidified.   There is a chance that either a) false memory or b) things that you have heard/read afterwards has changed your opinion.

That's fine. You admit this doesn't discredit my opinion indefinitely and you bring up good points, so fine. My position still can stand though.

Quote from: themodernage02who sets the standard for what a Tarantino film should be. you?

Quite frankly, yes. Everyone has their own idea to what a Tarantino film and the benefits of his art. I'm giving my opinion on that.

Quote from: SoNowThenWell, GT, by that token, PDL was a complete failure for a PTA movie.

No. They are different movies to say they are the same departure for both artists. Anderson did move forward.

Quote from: SoNowThenWe must allow artists to change directions when they see fit.

Certainly, but we can be critical when we feel it is not up to par.

I thought my new position was understood with the last argument, but damn, I guess I'll have to reposition my opinion:

The identity for me with Tarantino films is that when he is making escapist films, (Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction) he transforms the genre by not taking the characters out of genre, but removing the genre plot. All the characters are purposely cliche, but instead of Resevoir Dogs focusing mainly on the robbery by the criminals and the technical details, it focuses on the personas of the characters. It delves into their interactions and personas of daily life. It isn't great drama, but very interesting because the basis is the characters instead of a ham plot in which we will know everything that will happen and only seeing the characters being driven by it. Pulp Fiction further pushed this idea into a maze of character personas that didn't do a riff off one movie, but an entire genre.

Kill Bill acts for the plot. The characters are dragged by it. Half the movie is a build up to the conflict between Thurman and Lui in which it is known Thurman will go to extreme limits to kill Lui, but kill her no doubt. She is out to 'kill bill', and any indecision comes in volume 2.  All excitement is just in the exploits of the fight. As said in my first review, there is so much talent in the Japan part that further investigation of the characters need to be shown. All the character profile we are given in the Japan sequence is for build of notoriety. The 16 year old crazy girl is summed up in one scene of violence and a voice over. Lui's history is detailed in the anime sequence and her present notoriety confirmed in the head slicing scene, but where is the march with the characters like before to capture the spirit of their world?

Of course, the first argument will be that "I don't get it" and Tarantino is intentionally going for movie land action and such. But really, does this gurantee any good quality for further viewings? The basis of the movie is just the build up and action scenes and as history shows, many action scenes become do become dated with better technology and no one in the movie really is even any good fighting so the lack of talent becomes obvious. It is saying that Tomb Raider can be a work of art if it put every imaginable great stunt into one movie and exploded into multiplexes. The movie is still riding off stunts instead the memorability of good writing for characters. I think the latter is prolly going to better hold up.
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 07:21:41 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpetand no one in the movie really is even any good fighting so the lack of talent becomes obvious.

What about Gordon Liu?
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Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: SHAFTR
Quote from: The Gold Trumpetand no one in the movie really is even any good fighting so the lack of talent becomes obvious.

What about Gordon Liu?

Who is he in the movie?
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Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 08:10:44 PM
Quote from: The Gold Trumpet
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Quote from: The Gold Trumpetand no one in the movie really is even any good fighting so the lack of talent becomes obvious.

What about Gordon Liu?

Who is he in the movie?

He is the leader of the Crazy 88 fighters.  He was in a bunch of Hong Kong martial art films.  Same with Sonny Chiba (Hattori Hanzo).  Plus, if I'm not mistaken all women in the film were trained.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 09:02:21 PM
Quote from: SHAFTRHe is the leader of the Crazy 88 fighters.  He was in a bunch of Hong Kong martial art films.  Same with Sonny Chiba (Hattori Hanzo).  Plus, if I'm not mistaken all women in the film were trained.

Oh ok. I realized much of the Japanese crew were trained professionals, but they had to fight against Uma Thurman who couldn't hold her own at all so the filmmakers had to resort to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon effects. From the limited number of martial art films I've seen, the sword play and fighting usually are stunning themselves, a form of mastered dance, but this film allows little. Much of the editing during the battle is a rollercoaster to keep up with all the tricks of filmmaking thrown into the fighting. With the other movies, I knew there was a general distance of the camera to capture the mastery of the fighting. Its just not here.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ᾦɐļᵲʊʂ on November 25, 2003, 09:06:46 PM
Just saw it twice in a 3 day span.  To me, it's still magical.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SHAFTR on November 25, 2003, 10:15:19 PM
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Quote from: SHAFTRHe is the leader of the Crazy 88 fighters.  He was in a bunch of Hong Kong martial art films.  Same with Sonny Chiba (Hattori Hanzo).  Plus, if I'm not mistaken all women in the film were trained.

Oh ok. I realized much of the Japanese crew were trained professionals, but they had to fight against Uma Thurman who couldn't hold her own at all so the filmmakers had to resort to Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon effects. From the limited number of martial art films I've seen, the sword play and fighting usually are stunning themselves, a form of mastered dance, but this film allows little. Much of the editing during the battle is a rollercoaster to keep up with all the tricks of filmmaking thrown into the fighting. With the other movies, I knew there was a general distance of the camera to capture the mastery of the fighting. Its just not here.

Still, even Vivica A Fox went through months of training just to film that short sequence.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: modage on November 25, 2003, 11:06:28 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe identity for me with Tarantino films is that when he is making escapist films, (Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction) he transforms the genre by not taking the characters out of genre, but removing the genre plot.

i thought tarantino said for pulp fiction the idea was to take 3 stories that you'd seen 1000 times and that was the point.  so he didnt really remove the genre plot did he?  he gave all the stories a really familiar feel while doing something new with them.  just as he did with kill bill.

Quote from: The Gold TrumpetKill Bill acts for the plot. The characters are dragged by it. Half the movie is a build up to the conflict between Thurman and Lui in which it is known Thurman will go to extreme limits to kill Lui, but kill her no doubt. She is out to 'kill bill', and any indecision comes in volume 2.  All excitement is just in the exploits of the fight.

but i dont think the movie is REALLY all build up.  because at the end of the day, it isnt as important whats at the end, so much as the adventure of getting there.  that'd be like riding a rollercoaster and saying 'well, it was all buildup to the big drop and then it just sort of stopped and i got out.  i was let down'.  no, because the fun was riding it, wasnt it?  not where you went, but getting there.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Gold Trumpet on November 25, 2003, 11:51:14 PM
Quote from: themodernage02i thought tarantino said for pulp fiction the idea was to take 3 stories that you'd seen 1000 times and that was the point.  so he didnt really remove the genre plot did he?  he gave all the stories a really familiar feel while doing something new with them.  just as he did with kill bill.

He removed genre plot of its importance in Pulp Fiction. The beginning and end of the stories are genre, but the bulk of the movie is attention to the daily qualms and grievances that go beyond what any real genre plot would have allowed for.

Quote from: themodernage02but i dont think the movie is REALLY all build up.  because at the end of the day, it isnt as important whats at the end, so much as the adventure of getting there.  that'd be like riding a rollercoaster and saying 'well, it was all buildup to the big drop and then it just sort of stopped and i got out.  i was let down'.  no, because the fun was riding it, wasnt it?  not where you went, but getting there.

But, when the ride begins to get boring, (because of lack of character, story, and tension) the ride sucks.

Tarantino's fave film, The Good, The Bad and the Ugly did have a good portion of it as build up to a final shoot out. Thing is, the film followed three characters extensively so the film didn't just ride on the build up to the shoot out, but the enjoyability of the characters as characters.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SoNowThen on November 26, 2003, 12:04:34 PM
Quote from: The Gold TrumpetThe identity for me with Tarantino films is that when he is making escapist films, (Resevoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction) he transforms the genre by not taking the characters out of genre, but removing the genre plot. All the characters are purposely cliche, but instead of Resevoir Dogs focusing mainly on the robbery by the criminals and the technical details, it focuses on the personas of the characters. It delves into their interactions and personas of daily life. It isn't great drama, but very interesting because the basis is the characters instead of a ham plot in which we will know everything that will happen and only seeing the characters being driven by it. Pulp Fiction further pushed this idea into a maze of character personas that didn't do a riff off one movie, but an entire genre.

Kill Bill acts for the plot. The characters are dragged by it. Half the movie is a build up to the conflict between Thurman and Lui in which it is known Thurman will go to extreme limits to kill Lui, but kill her no doubt. She is out to 'kill bill', and any indecision comes in volume 2.  All excitement is just in the exploits of the fight. As said in my first review, there is so much talent in the Japan part that further investigation of the characters need to be shown. All the character profile we are given in the Japan sequence is for build of notoriety. The 16 year old crazy girl is summed up in one scene of violence and a voice over. Lui's history is detailed in the anime sequence and her present notoriety confirmed in the head slicing scene, but where is the march with the characters like before to capture the spirit of their world?

I actually agree with almost all of that. It's a fine explanation. Thing is, I could give a fuck less about the 16 year old girl or Lui. I came to this movie to see action and killing, done in a hip way. I don't think Tarantino wanted to reinvent the cinematic wheel with this one, he wanted to "make one for the fans". But you'd be quite right in saying this one was devoid of previous Tarantino deep character and clever dialogue. And thank gawd, because he did it to perfection in Jackie Brown. I'm happy to have a QT movie that is still very much "him", but from this totally different standpoint of plot over everything (kinda like the Suzuki movies that Criterion has put out). If done with passion, there is something beautiful and pure to be had by stripping out everything except power-charged kinetic plot for plot's sake.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: AntiDumbFrogQuestion on November 26, 2003, 04:36:43 PM
Awwww, Don't be hatin' on the PDL. Especially when talking about over the top Kill Bil over here. Two opposite poles. Nevmind. My avatar is bigger than what I have to say.

did moving the symbolism from Raining Frogs to a Harmonium hurt your brain too much?? aw, po' thang.

I'm just waiting for KILL BILL Vol. 2 to make sure we don't get a 'Once Upon a Time in Mexico' craziness/lack of character-fest.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SoNowThen on November 26, 2003, 04:43:10 PM
easy, I wasn't hating anything, just trying to say that PDL was a different kinda PTA as was Kill Bill a different kinda QT.

of course, I would take Kill Bill over pdl any old day of the week, but there's no hating coming from here...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: kotte on November 27, 2003, 01:59:53 AM
Quote from: SoNowTheneasy, I wasn't hating anything, just trying to say that PDL was a different kinda PTA as was Kill Bill a different kinda QT.

PDL is neurotic, quirky, funny and serious...everything PTA seems to be. I say PDL is more PTA than his other films.

Isn't Kill Bill what we expected it to be? It was for me anyway.

A friend of mine asked why the hell Tarantino didn't do that cool thing they did in the Matrix. I told him to go fuck himself and "put his dick in an nintendo" :)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 27, 2003, 04:39:36 AM
Quote from: kotte"put his dick in an nintendo" :)

Twenty years from now and I will still be laughing whenever I hear/read this.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ©brad on November 27, 2003, 09:27:02 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte"put his dick in an nintendo" :)

Twenty years from now and I will still be laughing whenever I hear/read this.

u could do it w/ an old school nintendo. i doubt super nintendo or the gamecube would work very well. i mean, this is just what i've heard...
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 27, 2003, 06:07:09 PM
Quote from: ©brad
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte"put his dick in an nintendo" :)

Twenty years from now and I will still be laughing whenever I hear/read this.

u could do it w/ an old school nintendo. i doubt super nintendo or the gamecube would work very well. i mean, this is just what i've heard...

Dicks can go everywhere.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: kotte on November 27, 2003, 07:16:12 PM
Quote from: ©bradu could do it w/ an old school nintendo. i doubt super nintendo or the gamecube would work very well. i mean, this is just what i've heard...

so you would recommend the old 8 bit Nintendo? Feels the best?


Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumDicks can go everywhere.

Or nowhere...it's all size...and mine's big, baby... 8)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Reinhold on November 28, 2003, 01:57:23 AM
while you're in there, stick it to that dog from duck hunt.

i have not been so deeply affected by a film since i saw A Clockwork Orange and Taxi Driver (same night for both). Kill Bill actually made me whimper.  I don't know what I expected. I was fucking blown away. Still am.

Thank you, QT.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: oakmanc234 on November 28, 2003, 02:52:49 AM
Kill Bill has got to be Tarantino's best yet. I mean look how freakin good HALF of it is (Vol 1)!
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: Pubrick on November 28, 2003, 03:03:57 AM
Quote from: oakmanc234Kill Bill has got to be Tarantino's best yet. I mean look how freakin good HALF of it is (Vol 1)!
good point.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 28, 2003, 04:42:02 AM
Quote from: P
Quote from: oakmanc234Kill Bill has got to be Tarantino's best yet. I mean look how freakin good HALF of it is (Vol 1)!
good point.

Makes sense.

Quote from: kotteOr nowhere...it's all size...and mine's big, baby...

So I assume that you have some difficulty on putting it in some places, right? And, worse, if mine can go anywhere, it probably isn't big enough.  :?  Gotta answer one of those e-mails I get everyday about "enlarging the penis", as they say. And why the fuck am I talking about my dick on a Kill Bill forum?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: kotte on November 28, 2003, 05:57:41 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumAnd why the fuck am I talking about my dick on a Kill Bill forum?

It matters to you.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 28, 2003, 06:01:01 AM
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumAnd why the fuck am I talking about my dick on a Kill Bill forum?

It matters to you.

I need to stop doing drugs. Anyway, I'm more relaxed now. I went to my next door neighbour Sara and she told me my dick size is perfect the way it is.  8)
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: kotte on November 28, 2003, 06:23:22 AM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumAnd why the fuck am I talking about my dick on a Kill Bill forum?

It matters to you.

I need to stop doing drugs. Anyway, I'm more relaxed now. I went to my next door neighbour Sara and she told me my dick size is perfect the way it is.  8)

You don't tell a girl she's fat, do you?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 28, 2003, 06:36:35 AM
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaumAnd why the fuck am I talking about my dick on a Kill Bill forum?

It matters to you.

I need to stop doing drugs. Anyway, I'm more relaxed now. I went to my next door neighbour Sara and she told me my dick size is perfect the way it is.  8)

You don't tell a girl she's fat, do you?

Yes I do. That's why I'm a jackass and spend most of my time masturbating.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: SoNowThen on November 28, 2003, 10:01:42 AM
This last page is indicative of why I love this message board.

8)
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 28, 2003, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: SoNowThenThis last page is indicative of why I love this message board.

8)

Because of the dicks?
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: meatball on November 28, 2003, 05:44:00 PM
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: ©brad
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte"put his dick in an nintendo" :)

Twenty years from now and I will still be laughing whenever I hear/read this.

u could do it w/ an old school nintendo. i doubt super nintendo or the gamecube would work very well. i mean, this is just what i've heard...

Dicks can go everywhere.

I prefer those fortune teller machines with the artificial fortune teller wearing gypsy clothes sitting behind the glass case.

And I still haven't seen this movie.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: ElPandaRoyal on November 28, 2003, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: meatball
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: ©brad
Quote from: RoyalTenenbaum
Quote from: kotte"put his dick in an nintendo" :)

Twenty years from now and I will still be laughing whenever I hear/read this.

u could do it w/ an old school nintendo. i doubt super nintendo or the gamecube would work very well. i mean, this is just what i've heard...

Dicks can go everywhere.

I prefer those fortune teller machines with the artificial fortune teller wearing gypsy clothes sitting behind the glass case.

And I still haven't seen this movie.

I prefer not spending money with fortune tellers.
Title: Kill Bill: Volume One
Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2003, 01:17:09 PM
Screenwriters Are (Obsessive, Creative, Neurotic) People, Too
TARANTINO AND BRIAN HELGELAND TALK
Source: NY Times - Nov. 2003

To write the script, Tarantino went on a quest to recover the original Smith Corona typewriter word processor -- owned by an ex-girlfriend -- that he used on his first two films.

Quentin Tarantino wrote and directed ''Reservoir Dogs,'' ''Jackie Brown'' and ''Pulp Fiction,'' for which he won an Academy Award for best original screenplay. Brian Helgeland has written several original screenplays and adaptations. His script for ''L.A. Confidential'' (which he wrote with the director, Curtis Hanson) won the Oscar for best adapted screenplay. Last month, as their two new films opened to great acclaim, Tarantino and Helgeland sat down in the Regent Beverly Wilshire in Los Angeles to share some wisdom about the screenwriting life.  

The Consolation-Prize Theory  

Tarantino: Here is a fact, or an observation, or something I've just noticed about the Oscars: when ''American Beauty'' won best picture, that was the beginning of a new day. The underdog movie, the cool movie, finally won. Before that -- and this is a generalization, but I think a true one -- you'd have the favorite, the more Hollywood movie, and you'd have the cooler movie. You know, the critical darling. But the status quo Hollywood movie always got big respect from the middlebrow critics, the Rex Reeds of the world. And invariably, when it came down to the final mano a mano, those status quo movies won best picture. And they won best director. And the cool movie would always win the screenplay award. That was its consolation prize for being cool. And what this highlights is obvious: the writing branch of the Academy is much hipper. There's no two, three, four ways about it. The progressive branch of the Academy is the writing branch.  

Helgeland: I think there's truth to that.  

Tarantino: My year, the year ''Pulp Fiction'' won screenplay, ''Forrest Gump'' won best picture. What won the year you won for ''L.A. Confidential''?  

Helgeland: ''Titanic.''  

Tarantino: ''Titanic.'' It didn't even get nominated for screenplay.  

Helgeland: Which just proves, I guess, how hip the screenwriting branch is.  

Tarantino: I happen to love ''Titanic.'' I think it's a wonderful movie.  

Helgeland: I have to excuse myself from talking about it, because we were against it. So I can't do anything but hate it.  

Tarantino: I understand. Still, the theory is good. There are tons of examples. For instance, I knew when Jane Campion went up to accept her award for screenwriting for ''The Piano,'' I knew that was the last time I was going to see her that night. And when Neil Jordan went up to accept his award for ''The Crying Game,'' that was the last I was going to see him that night.  

Helgeland: You held out hope, though, right?  

Tarantino: No, no, I didn't. I knew. When I won, that speech I gave, the one thing I said that was true was something like: ''This is the last you're going to see me tonight.''  

Helgeland: I thought you almost said that but didn't quite say it. I had the feeling you knew it, but you didn't want to come right out and jinx yourself.  

Tarantino: You may be right. I think I at least alluded to it.  

Helgeland: You were like, ''This is the last -- no, I'm not going to say it.'' That's what it was.  

Tarantino: That sounds like me. What did you say?  

Helgeland: I went on about James Ellroy, I think. That was about it. I said I was going to call the award an Ellroy.  

Tarantino: Excellent. You know, I would be very interested to listen to adaptation speeches to see how many times someone actually thanks the original author. Not very often, I bet.  

Helgeland: Yeah, well, given a chance to be gracious, it's very hard to actually do so.  

The Early Inspirations  

Helgeland: I think ''Cool Hand Luke'' was probably the first movie in which I was aware of the writing as its own separate thing. It was that speech when the guy reads Paul Newman the riot act. The speech about going in the box.  

Tarantino: Oh, yeah.  

Helgeland: It's about a two-page speech. Bang, bang, bang. It's great. I think I was around 12 when I first noticed it.  

Tarantino: God, I wish I could say that. I wish I was aware of that kind of writing at 12, but I wasn't. I think the first thing I was really into were novelizations.  

Helgeland: I wasn't aware of it as ''writing,'' really, I was just aware of the words. There were a lot of words there. That speech is so long.  

Tarantino: Were you into novelizations?  

Helgeland: A couple, yeah.

Tarantino: When I saw movies I liked, I would go to the 7-11 and I would find the novelization. That's where I found ''W. W. and the Dixie Dancekings.'' To this day, I reread it every three years. And I still have the same paperback that I bought way back when. The movie was written by Thomas Rickman, who was nominated for an Oscar for ''Coal Miner's Daughter.''  

Helgeland: And the novelization?  

Tarantino: Also Thomas Rickman. I found out later that Thomas Rickman was so disgusted with what they did with his movie that he asked to write the novelization, so that one person out there would know what it was that he intended. I'm 40 now, and I still read ''W. W. and the Dixie Dancekings'' every three years. I'm that one person. When I saw the movie, though, a few years after I'd first read the book, I was like, What the hell is this? I mean, I was offended. I was literally offended. The novelization was pure. But this was Hollywood garbage. So that's why I started writing screenplays, because I was so outraged.  

Helgeland: What was the first thing you wrote?  

Tarantino: I was in the sixth grade -- the end of my first time. I was held back; I was in the sixth grade twice. But my first time in the sixth grade, toward the very end, I went and saw ''The Bad News Bears,'' and I fell hopelessly in love with Tatum O'Neal. I mean, so much in love with Tatum O'Neal. I'm embarrassed to tell you how much in love I was with her.  

Helgeland: I love that line: ''Look, you crud, just get back to your beer.'' I liked that kid Lupus, too. I wanted to name my son after him, but my wife wouldn't let me name him after a Bad News Bear. That screenplay is so good. I don't think they'd make that movie today. Walter Matthau's character is just too extreme. Driving drunk, with the kids in the car without their seat belts on. One of them could have gone through a window.  

Tarantino: My crush on Tatum O'Neal was so strong that actually you could almost consider it your first love. So in the sixth grade I started writing an ABC ''Afterschool Special'' about me meeting Tatum O'Neal. I called her Somerset in the script, and I did what I could never do in real life. I finagled a way, through conniving and lying, to meet Somerset O'Neal. And she was charmed by me. I never got that far in the script. I wrote the first 20 pages and then abandoned it. But after that, that's all I could do in school, just write new scripts. Eventually, the teacher complained to my mom. And at some point, when my mom was mad at me, she said: ''Oh, and by the way, this little writing career of yours? It's over!'' And I thought, This little writing career? This little writing career? You have no vision. I will never buy you the house that Elvis bought his mother. And to this day I have not bought my mother a house. And I never will!  

Writing With an Actor in Mind, and Other Rituals  

Tarantino: Can I ask you -- I've been thinking about ''Mystic River'' -- how did you feel when Clint cast the movie?  

Helgeland: Well, I wasn't thinking of any of the parts. I was thinking of the characters, but I wasn't doing a casting thing in my head. So I thought he was pretty on the money. The only thing is that when he cast Tim Robbins, I immediately thought he was too big for the part, physically. And then when I saw the movie, Tim himself is aware of it, and he plays it kind of like the world has shrunk him. And it's even better for that reason. I don't really write with living actors in mind. I guess I write for dead actors. I'll think of like, you know, Burt Lancaster would be good in this part, and so on. With ''L.A. Confidential,'' it was like, wouldn't it be cool if Dean Martin played the Kevin Spacey part?  

Tarantino: I definitely often write for Sam Jackson. I know his rhythms. I feel like he can turn my lines into poetry. In fact, the character of Bill in ''Kill Bill,'' when I first put pen to paper, was Sam Jackson. And finally I had to stop it. I knew I didn't want to cast Sam Jackson as Bill. So I had to mess with the process. It had to be something else. And when I started writing Max Cherry, the main character in ''Jackie Brown,'' I was hopping back and forth between four actors that could do the movie. Paul Newman, Gene Hackman, Robert Forster, and the other one was John Saxon. But in my heart of hearts, I knew it was Robert Forster. And the crazy thing is, I walked into a restaurant, a coffee shop, during the high point of writing it, and Robert Forster was there. In the throes of writing it, at my most passionate, I walk in the room, and he's there. And I gave it to him.  

Helgeland: Oh, yeah. The signs are always out there. It's like when you're location-scouting and you start to see the names of the characters on street signs and stuff like that.  

Tarantino: Oh, man, I've never had that happen, but I'm going to start looking for that.

Helgeland: There are all the writing rituals, too. Write only on the legal pads, transcribe onto the computer. I'll write all of the ideas and then I'll write scenes. And then when I have a scene done, then I'll type it in just to get it in there. Because I get all kinds of crazy -- you know, it's like the house is going to burn down and all the legal pads will burn up. The idea will be gone. Stuff like that.  

Tarantino: Do you type like that, two fingers?  

Helgeland: Yeah. Sometimes three.  

Tarantino: If it's going good?  

Helgeland: Yeah.  

Tarantino: Before I wrote ''Reservoir Dogs,'' I was able to get friends of mine to type my scripts. But then, there I was, writing ''Reservoir Dogs'' -- and I couldn't be more excited by anything I've ever written -- and I look around and I've got no one, there's no one who will type it for me. All friends have dried up.  

Helgeland: No house for them. No house.  

Tarantino: Right. They don't get a house, either. I like that. No house. All right, so I realized I was going to have to do it myself. My girlfriend had one of those old Smith Corona word processors. It was great for me because it was idiotproof. One of the more famous things in ''Reservoir Dogs,'' the argument over who's going to be named what color, was written with one finger on that word processor. So then when I wrote ''Pulp Fiction,'' she let me borrow it again. But for ''Jackie Brown,'' I didn't have it, and it made me crazy. So on ''Kill Bill,'' I was like, I've got to get Grace's old word processor back. But we'd broken up. So I went to her, and I was like, ''Let me just have it.'' She said her sister had it. But her sister gave it to somebody else, and that person gets in touch with me and says: ''I have the Smith Corona word processor that you did 'Pulp Fiction' on. Would you like it?'' Yes. Yes. Yes.  

The Anxiety of Adaptation; the Melancholy of Lost Possibilities  

Helgeland: The funny thing about James Ellroy is he's my favorite novelist, and had been for years before I was hired to write the script for ''L.A. Confidential.'' So when it was done, my overriding fear was that he wouldn't like it, in which case it would all have been a waste. All of it. Even if the movie came out and did well, it wouldn't matter. But it got sent to him, and he read it and liked it and signed off on it.  

Tarantino: That's cool.  

Helgeland: Yeah. The high point of the whole experience was that James Ellroy didn't think I had messed it up.  

Tarantino: I felt that way with Elmore Leonard and ''Jackie Brown.'' Nothing, not studios, nothing, has ever made me more scared than I was when I changed his heroine in ''Rum Punch'' from a white woman to a black woman. I was actually scared to talk to him. The phone just weighed 500 pounds. And it gained 100 pounds every time I glanced at it. And then I started thinking, You know what, I can't be that way, I've got to go my way. But that didn't really make it any easier to talk to him about it.  

Helgeland: It's a very complicated thing, adaptation. And it's a very different kind of satisfaction than you get from doing an original. It's easier, sort of, but also trickier. If you write an original, it's like you went in and dug a well and you hit oil. But an adaptation, it's like the oil well's on fire, and they bring you in to put the fire out and get it working again -- or something like that. It's like, here are these 18 problems that you need to solve in order for this to work as a movie. An original is always -- I just think it's closer to you. Not that they're not all close to you, but the original is more yours. It's your kid, as opposed to the adaptation, which is like having to raise your sister's kid from the time he was 10. With an original, you're not looking over your shoulder at the book.  

Tarantino: Yeah, yeah, exactly. You're not thinking, How do I sell this book, how do I sell this moment? Even when it's easy, it's still hard, because the book can do all these things that you can't do. Not the obvious things, like omniscient voice or something. It's the other things. Take ''Jackie Brown.'' Elmore Leonard has this -- for lack of a better word, we'll call it a subplot, though it's not really a full-fledged subplot. Anyway, in this thing, this subplot, that you can't really translate into film, there are three crucial pieces of information, and in the book they all are presented organically. Now you have to figure out a way to get these three crucial pieces of information into the movie while preserving that organic quality. That's tough.

Helgeland: It's like someone wrote a math theorem that covered a whole chalkboard, and then you have to come in and erase a third of it and prove that theorem only with what you have left on the blackboard, if that makes sense.  

Tarantino: It makes complete sense. Still, though, whenever I read a novel, I'm always adapting it into a movie as I read it. I wish I could turn that off, but I can't. Everything I read, I'm always making it into a movie as I'm reading it. Is that true in your case?  

Helgeland: Yeah, definitely. If I'm in the bookstore and I see a 700-page novel, my first thought is, Ooh, how could you cut this down to size and make a movie out of it?  

Tarantino: It's one of the reasons I really enjoy reading some film criticism and theory, because you can't make it into a movie. It's pure writing. Even historical novels, I get lost in how to turn them into movies. I mean, to do any research on World War II is to just create a whole life of movies you could make. But you can't do them all. When I was younger and reading plays and books, I would always think, Oh, man, I'll do this and I'll do that. Only to sadly realize that I can't do it all, and you try to go back and this stuff that I once thought was great, maybe I've outgrown that material.  

Helgeland: Yes, I know that feeling.  

Tarantino: And there is a little of you that's gone. You're now a new you. And it's not like the new you is so much better. You wish you could have the excitement, the first love, that you had when you read that stuff and making that movie is all you wanted to do. It's not a happy day when you realize you've outgrown material that you once loved.  

Helgeland: Yeah, you can't go back. It's very bad.

Favorite Screenplays: A Rapid-Fire Exchange

Helgeland: ''Moonstruck,'' by John Patrick Shanley; ''Cool Hand Luke'' and ''Dog Day Afternoon,'' by Frank Pierson (''Those Pierson scripts made me want to write screenplays'').  

Tarantino: ''The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly,'' by Sergio Leone and Luciano Vincenzoni; ''His Girl Friday,'' adapted by Charles Lederer from the play ''The Front Page'' (''Not only the greatest dialogue in the history of cinema, but it's a genre that doesn't exist anymore: the newspaper comedy. And it's a blistering social satire''); ''Unfaithfully Yours,'' by Preston Sturges (''I don't love Preston Sturges the way other people love him, but his dialogue is fantastic'').  

Helgeland: ''The Poseidon Adventure,'' by Stirling Silliphant and Wendell Mayes (''The characters are introduced perfectly -- you know everything about them almost instantly''); ''The Outlaw Josey Wales,'' by Philip Kaufman and Sonia Chernus; Horton Foote's adaptation of ''To Kill a Mockingbird'' (''It's just a great adaptation'').  

Tarantino: ''Rio Bravo,'' by Leigh Brackett and Jules Furthman (''It works as a crackerjack story, and it's just fun. It's the ultimate hang-out movie)''; ''What's Up, Doc?'' by Robert Benton, David Newman and Buck Henry; ''Hero,'' by David Webb Peoples (''This stands alone as a great script that a great movie didn't make'').  

Helgeland: ''Heaven Can Wait,'' by Elaine May and Warren Beatty (''A great ending and one of the all-time best remakes''); ''Slap Shot,'' by Nancy Dowd (''One of the best profane scripts of all time''); ''The Big Lebowski,'' by Joel and Ethan Coen (''Because they so convincingly make their own world''); ''Klute,'' by Andy and Dave Lewis (''Jane Fonda's character talks all the time, and you don't know anything about her. Donald Sutherland's character doesn't say a word, and you know everything about him'').  

Tarantino: ''Shampoo,'' by Robert Towne and Warren Beatty (''It's just brilliant''); ''The Great Escape,'' adapted by James Clavell and W. R. Burnett (''The shortest three-hour movie ever made in the history of time''); ''Switchblade Sisters,'' by F. X. Maier and John Prizer (''The dialogue is so wonderful that half the people watching it would think that it's bad dialogue -- the script is ingenious'').  

Helgeland: ''Rocky,'' by Sylvester Stallone; ''Blade Runner,'' by Hampton Fancher and David Peoples (''It wasn't all art direction -- the dialogue was terrific in that movie''); ''Unforgiven,'' by David Peoples (''The best script in my lifetime'').  

Tarantino: ''Out of the Past,'' by Daniel Mainwaring (''Maybe the best dialogue in a dialogue-heavy genre, the noir movie''); ''Faster, Pussycat! Kill! Kill!'' by Russ Meyer and Jack Moran (''The funniest, most quotable dialogue''); ''Scarface,'' by Oliver Stone (''Extremely memorable -- nearly every line of the movie is worth repeating'').
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Post by: Fernando on December 02, 2003, 03:35:15 PM
Quote from: MacGuffinScreenwriters Are (Obsessive, Creative, Neurotic) People, Too
TARANTINO AND BRIAN HELGELAND TALK
Source: NY Times - Nov. 2003


http://xixax.com/viewtopic.php?p=89202#89202

I wonder if this is the first time you're redirected.  :-D
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Post by: MacGuffin on December 02, 2003, 04:13:42 PM
Quote from: FernandoI wonder if this is the first time you're redirected.  :-D

I think so, but it was mainly because I wanted to know what it felt like so I could make a thread about it.
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Post by: kotte on December 02, 2003, 04:16:04 PM
We all need a redirect from time to time.
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Post by: SoNowThen on December 02, 2003, 04:16:46 PM
that would be the Last Thread Ever (for real).
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Post by: Fernando on December 02, 2003, 04:23:40 PM
Quote from: MacGuffin
Quote from: FernandoI wonder if this is the first time you're redirected.  :-D

I think so, but it was mainly because I wanted to know what it felt like so I could make a thread about it.

You can't really think you'll get away with that excuse, or can you?   :wink:
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Post by: Vile5 on December 03, 2003, 04:29:40 PM
well i know it's too late, that's the problem when you live in South America... anyway, i've watched Kill Bill last weekend, and i really liked it, Tarantino is back! something i really love about this movie is the photography, every fucking scene looks like a picture very well designed!!, i couldn't help remind some Kurosawa's films while watching this one and for first time in my life i liked Lucy Liu...
well Mr. Tarantino must be a genious, cause i went to the cinema with my father (the worst company to go to the cinema, i swear!) who for an inexplicable reason doesn't like Cinema (yes, i have my mother's genes), but that was the only day i have to see him, cause we don't live together so i invited to him to watch Kill Bill, begging he would even bear two hours in the seat, and the miracle happened: HE LIKED Kill Bill!! i couldn't believe it!! and when i told him there was a sequel, he said he wanted to be the first one to watch it! JESUS! i'm starting to believe in god, a little bit crazy god btw, a god called Quentin Tarantino, ha!
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Post by: modage on December 03, 2003, 04:36:43 PM
they should use that on the video box...

"Tarantino is back!  [And] I'm starting to believe in God." - Vile5, XIXAX

that'll move units, i guarantee it.
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Post by: Vile5 on December 04, 2003, 10:51:10 AM
i studied Marketing, does it show much?? :oops:
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Post by: Gloria on December 04, 2003, 02:38:14 PM
Quote from: themodernage02they should use that on the video box...

"Tarantino is back!  [And] I'm starting to believe in God." - Vile5, XIXAX

that'll move units, i guarantee it.

That would be the best review ever!  It would make me buy it, not mention the religious curve could cause other people to buy it, therefore bring a new audience to Tarantino. It could work.  :wink:
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Post by: kotte on December 05, 2003, 05:07:25 PM
Me and my friend just saw Kill Bill. As we were walking home he said "God, I hope they make a sequel."

I smiled and thought about ripping his hair off.

He's not a movie buff.
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on December 05, 2003, 05:22:45 PM
Quote from: kotteMe and my friend just saw Kill Bill. As we were walking home he said "God, I hope they make a sequel."

I smiled and thought about ripping his hair off.

He's not a movie buff.

:?  What the fuck? Isn«ta sequel a sure thing as the film ends? Like... what the hell?!
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Post by: rustinglass on January 25, 2004, 12:15:31 PM
I have a question:

I downloaded that divx copy of the film and saw it today but it doesn't show o-ren's brain at the end! Did they cut that out of the american release? because I'm quite sure I saw her brain in the theatre both times I saw the film. And what I saw wasn't the japanese version, the massacre was in black and white too, and there was no extended mutilation of sophie... but there was a brain and it looked cool!
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Post by: Alethia on January 25, 2004, 01:20:16 PM
no it was in the american release, dont know what to tell ya
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Post by: brockly on January 25, 2004, 10:54:08 PM
Quote from: rustinglassI have a question:

I downloaded that divx copy of the film and saw it today but it doesn't show o-ren's brain at the end! Did they cut that out of the american release? because I'm quite sure I saw her brain in the theatre both times I saw the film. And what I saw wasn't the japanese version, the massacre was in black and white too, and there was no extended mutilation of sophie... but there was a brain and it looked cool!

about a 1/2 centermeter of the sides (incl. top and bottom) are being cutoff. it's got something to do with the rip, not the movie. you can also tell when a small portion of the bride's face is out of frame after o-ren kicks her in the anime sequence, when it freezes.
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Post by: pete on January 25, 2004, 11:11:31 PM
I just read that takeshi kitano thought the movie was worthless and said the only reason Japanese people went to see it was to see how ridiculous it was.  That was before I saw it for the third time in the theater just now (second run theater down the street), and I can kinda see that--so much of the dialogues were in Japanese, written by an American, so QT's idea of badass lines uttered in Japanese is probably pretty goofy (just as them kungfu movies' subtitles are goofy.)  Similar things are said about films like Crouching Tiger.
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Post by: ElPandaRoyal on January 26, 2004, 04:53:58 AM
Quote from: peteI just read that takeshi kitano thought the movie was worthless and said the only reason Japanese people went to see it was to see how ridiculous it was.  That was before I saw it for the third time in the theater just now (second run theater down the street), and I can kinda see that--so much of the dialogues were in Japanese, written by an American, so QT's idea of badass lines uttered in Japanese is probably pretty goofy (just as them kungfu movies' subtitles are goofy.)  Similar things are said about films like Crouching Tiger.

Or maybe Kitano is just pissed because Zatoichi isn't getting the recognition it was supposed to have. I couldn't see it because it seems like no one else saw it. When I got the time to go and see it in the theater, it was gone, replaced by some other film (it didn't last two weeks...). I bet I'd like it, though...
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Post by: pete on January 27, 2004, 04:49:52 PM
I'm sorry man.  I heard it was pretty good.
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Post by: modage on January 27, 2004, 06:23:40 PM
Tarantino: I Like To Upset Audiences
Source: imdb gossip column

Maverick filmmaker Quentin Tarantino likes to play sadistic games with his willing audience - because he knows how much they enjoy being tortured by him. The Kill Bill director prides himself on shocking viewers of his movies, and claims he has a sadomasochistic relationship with his audience, which keeps both parties interested. The 40-year-old says, "I like f***ing with your emotions, and I like it when it's done to me. That's my thing. You're gonna laugh, you're gonna laugh, you're gonna laugh, until you're gonna stop laughing. You're gonna stop laughing, you're gonna stop laughing, you're gonna stop laughing until boom you're gonna laugh again. The audience and the director, it's an S&M relationship and the audience is the M. It's exciting. When you go out and have pie afterwards, you've got some s*** to talk about. You went to the movies that night."
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Post by: kotte on January 27, 2004, 06:25:57 PM
Quote from: themodernage02When you go out and have pie afterwards, you've got some s*** to talk about.

He obviously wrote True Romance... :)
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Post by: brockly on January 28, 2004, 01:30:20 AM
He also likes to upset us in other ways.

Just found out that I officially have to wait until June to see Vol. 2 on the big screen. Now, this is good and bad, in my case. Bad because, well, I'm not gonna see it for 2 fucking months after you cunts have :x. Good because I'll be 18 at the beginning of June so I won't have to pull some manoeuvre in order to see it, and I can just go as many times as I please without having doubts about getting in at the back of my mind. Still, 2 months. :(
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Post by: Julius Orange on January 28, 2004, 01:39:48 AM
Quote from: Tarantino"You're gonna laugh, you're gonna laugh, you're gonna laugh, until you're gonna stop laughing. You're gonna stop laughing, you're gonna stop laughing, you're gonna stop laughing until boom you're gonna laugh again."
Why did he make me read all that? I could have been giving back to the community.
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Post by: analogzombie on January 28, 2004, 03:52:21 PM
Quote from: Brock LandersGood because I'll be 18 at the beginning of June so I won't have to pull some manoeuvre in order to see it, and I can just go as many times as I please without having doubts about getting in at the back of my mind. :(

Wow! I didn't know Australia was so fascist! I know they say you gotta be 18 and all in the US but I would say they ID 1 in every 100 kids.So they really enforce that age restriction thing over there huh? damm the man!
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Post by: Alethia on January 28, 2004, 05:34:04 PM
actually dude, at the big mall near me they enforce it like a motherfucker.  they ID everyone.....you cant go in with someone if u r underage unless they r over 21...its easy to sneak in for me cuz i look alot older than I am but still its a pain for some people
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Post by: brockly on January 28, 2004, 06:25:34 PM
When I first saw Vol. 1, I was IDed 4 times before going in. I was using someone elses ID though, thank god it passed. After a month or so, however, I wasn't IDed at all. Kill Bill is still playing at the theatre near me, and pretty much anyone can get in without any hassle.
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Post by: analogzombie on January 28, 2004, 07:12:14 PM
Jeez, I dunno, the whole idea of carding someone to see a non-porn film seems really, really wrong to me. Maybe it's just where I live. I've always thought of the PG-13 and R rating as more of a warning. Like "If you have kids or don't think your kids should see sex/violence, then don't let them come." It just seems so absolutely silly to actually deny entry to someone b/c of a non NC-17 or X rating. I mean, sure if someone is 10 and trying to get into an R movie, well sure. But if someone if a teenager!? weird the only time I had anything like that happen to me was when i was about 16 and Starship Troopers came out. I went with and friend and his brother who was about 13 at the time. They didn't deny us entry they just made us read some disclaimer about how the film wasn't like Star Wars and that it was very bloody. at any rate I still saw it and wasn't IDed.
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Post by: SHAFTR on January 31, 2004, 12:57:35 AM
http://www.killbill2.net/music.php?vo=2

Music in the film that wasn't on the cd.
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Post by: Finn on January 31, 2004, 10:33:18 AM
Cool!
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Post by: pete on January 31, 2004, 10:59:20 AM
ah the swordsroom song was not BY Lily Chouchou, Lily Chou-Chou is a made-up character in a Japanese movie that came out two years ago called "All About Lily Chou-Chou", a fictitious pop idol.  To say the song was by Lily Chou-Chou is like saying "That Thing You Do" is by the Wonders or "Tomorrow" is by Annie.
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Post by: Pubrick on January 31, 2004, 11:05:12 AM
who was it by then
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Post by: Alethia on January 31, 2004, 11:52:51 AM
awesome, fucking awesome!
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Post by: pete on January 31, 2004, 01:15:01 PM
Quote from: Pwho was it by then

takeshi kobayashi.
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Post by: ono on February 11, 2004, 05:58:56 PM
Film committee I work on was trying to bring Kill Bill to screen on our campus Feb. 20th-21st.  However, the distributor just told us that Miramax has pulled its prints.  Apparently, it's going to rerelease Kill Bill back into theatres for about a month or so before Vol. 2 comes out.  Not sure if anyone knows this, and maybe someone's already said this before.  Either way, I doubt it's too big of a surprise.  Just thought you'd like to know.
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Post by: Alethia on February 11, 2004, 06:38:18 PM
oooh cool
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Post by: analogzombie on February 11, 2004, 08:35:13 PM
Quote from: OnomatopoeiaFilm committee I work on was trying to bring Kill Bill to screen on our campus Feb. 20th-21st.  However, the distributor just told us that Miramax has pulled its prints.  Apparently, it's going to rerelease Kill Bill back into theatres for about a month or so before Vol. 2 comes out.  Not sure if anyone knows this, and maybe someone's already said this before.  Either way, I doubt it's too big of a surprise.  Just thought you'd like to know.

regular theaters or bargain theaters? my $1 cinema has been showing the trailer for Vol. 1 a lot lately.
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Post by: ono on February 11, 2004, 09:13:50 PM
I assume regular theatres.
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Post by: Ravi on March 11, 2004, 09:59:58 PM
Here's (http://www.mkiran.co.uk/IDB-big.mp3) an Indian song that has the horn sting from the Kill Bill soundtrack and trailer, for some reason  :?
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Post by: Bruce Lee on March 12, 2004, 08:02:28 AM
Quotetakeshi kobayashi.

...kobayashi? thats the made up villain in The Usual Suspects.
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Post by: Pubrick on March 12, 2004, 08:10:03 AM
hahah, and a rivalry is born.
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Post by: Alethia on April 25, 2004, 12:14:26 AM
http://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php

fun lil game, for a few mins
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Post by: El Duderino on April 25, 2004, 12:43:44 AM
Quote from: ewardhttp://kill-bill.cz/game/index.php

fun lil game, for a few mins

hahaha....that's great, i love how green hornet is playing in the midst.
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Post by: pete on April 25, 2004, 12:50:49 AM
Quote from: Bruce Lee
Quotetakeshi kobayashi.

...kobayashi? thats the made up villain in The Usual Suspects.

it's definitely a real composer.
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Post by: Ravi on April 25, 2004, 08:39:05 PM
Quote from: OnomatopitaFilm committee I work on was trying to bring Kill Bill to screen on our campus Feb. 20th-21st.  However, the distributor just told us that Miramax has pulled its prints.  Apparently, it's going to rerelease Kill Bill back into theatres for about a month or so before Vol. 2 comes out.  Not sure if anyone knows this, and maybe someone's already said this before.  Either way, I doubt it's too big of a surprise.  Just thought you'd like to know.

My university played it this past Friday and Saturday.  I saw it at the dollar theater this weekend.
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Post by: ono on April 26, 2004, 12:12:43 AM
Yeah, ultimately we ended up bringing it about a month later than originally thought, which worked nicely because the DVD came out a few weeks later, and the movie that week.  Don't know why it was pulled in the first place, though.