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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #150 on: March 04, 2015, 09:29:02 PM »
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I think it's fair to judge this as his worst film if you think Pynchon's perspective trumps PTA's, but I've never found this to be the case.

If you love novels, I'm sure most stories you fall in love with feel like they're written for you and you alone. Pynchon's books feel like that to me, and years ago I never would've guessed any filmmaker would attempt an adaptation. If PTA feels the same way about Pynchon, then I think he's taken the events in the plot and filmed them how he sees them through his own artistic perspective, not dissimilar to what Kubrick did with the The Shining, even if that took more departures. How else can someone do it? Nobody knows exactly what Pynchon saw in his head as he was writing the book, so it sort of has to be created through somebody's worldview through the adaptation process, and considering film is such a different medium than literature, that adapted "view" is inherently the filmmaker's.

IV feels like a culmination of everything he's learned up to this point. His love for the weird and fantastic is on full display, mostly evident in Shasta's and Doc's sex scene. There's a gritty, funny truthfulness he approaches sexuality with that I fell in love with in Boogie Nights, coupled with the structure and simplicity of The Master and There Will Be Blood, with some haziness thrown in so crucial to the era. It's as if he's making a giant cocktail and with each new movie he adds an intoxicating and delicious new ingredient. For the same reason Barry Lyndon is my favorite Kubrick film, IV is my favorite PTA film. It hits the ground running, never waiting for the viewer as others have noted, yet feels highly calculated and measured.

If this is a diversion or even his weakest film, I find that exciting.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #151 on: March 05, 2015, 09:30:27 AM »
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Riffing here, but rereading JB's review...diversion: I understand why people don't like this one. This movie is different than his others...

I didn't read the book...or much. I began it. Never finished. But one thing I feel is more immediate here in Inherent Vice than in PT's other movies, maybe mostly due to the inclusion of voice over, is the feeling of the struggle to be in the present, to get out of your own head. Everyone is in their own heads. This is something I felt in his earlier work in general, but not as expanded upon. In Magnolia Rose tells Jimmy to "say it", to express his personal truth [instead of his lies], and Claudia urges Jim Kurring "to say the things that they...that are real or something...", but these are urgings away from inhibition ...about shying away from an internally known and already grasped truth, not necessarily about a loss of language that might constrain conversation and connection.

After my third viewing of IV the plot started to coalesce - not completely, but the film is definitely more coherent than I had originally thought. To me, this is PT's most internal movie, even more than The Master. It's the perspective of an introvert struggling to be external, knowing that in every situation there's something going on outside of him but having trouble engaging, of everyone having trouble engaging, because the ocean in Doc's mind is constantly calling his attention away from whatever larger plot or interaction might be occurring. Maybe this is my personal reading, but the unknowability of the characters, what JB refers to as a lacking depth, to me is (maybe unintentionally, but if that's the case I think it inadvertently works) a reflection of the impossibility of getting to know anyone's depths of personality to the degree that they exist, because that inner monologue is silent and only visible to us when deliberately acted upon and shared.

Sortelige's narration exposes just some of those fleeting thoughts that add up to emotions and vibes and general perception that can be difficult to articulate and is usually beyond the realm of language for most people -- simple words to describe feelings don't always exist, especially in the thick of strange moods and converging philosophies, and Pynchon and other writers with a certain level of literary mastery hold more keys to their transmission than most possess, and so are able to hint at what is going on inside of -everyone- trapped in stoned silence without that advantage. The movie conveys this idea better than almost any other film I can think of, and in terms with which I feel in sync, so for me it succeeds in doing something new and rewarding.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #152 on: March 05, 2015, 11:05:16 AM »
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I also have never read the book or Pynchon, so that's not a frame of reference for me. I don't know if the film felt that different to me than other PTA movies. It felt kind of like coming back to a warmer human experience than the last two, but not in any way to the youthful sugar-like tenderness of his films up to Punch-Drunk Love, with those bittersweet endings and hopeful outlook. This is an older's dude movie, with basic goodness coming from the individual and not from some cosmic design or universal truth like in Magnolia.

All of PTA's films have been about the search for communion with others and family. This has been widely discussed. That theme is in IV too, but is treated as a lost dream, a family that was and evaporated. Larry's relationship with Shasta is at the center, but all the other characters express versions of the same longing: Tariq's gang and turf gone, Wolfmann's "hippy dream" consisting of free houses for people, and of course Coy's family lost first to heroin addiction and then to "the man" so to speak. In the end he gets its back, and this is Doc's good deed to in a sense, recover that which he lost.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #153 on: March 06, 2015, 12:29:52 AM »
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #154 on: March 08, 2015, 02:59:28 PM »
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Even though I read the book, I wasn't ready for the style of this movie. Watching it a second time it was great, funny, sick performances across the board, even for pornstars and UFC fighters. Still sad the Jade/Denis backseat scene was cut though hahah

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #155 on: March 27, 2015, 01:27:16 AM »
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It's a grower. I probably won't watch it again though.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #156 on: April 21, 2015, 09:05:14 AM »
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The deleted scenes and all.



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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #157 on: April 21, 2015, 11:34:57 AM »
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Oh wow. Some great shots and performances. I believe Sortilege speaks the ending of the book during the first clip? The Golden Fang thing isn't a bad trailer either, although it always makes me cringe a little when they mess with the order of events, screaming at a deposit slip, etc.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #158 on: April 21, 2015, 03:25:29 PM »
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That stuff from 3:09 onwards is gorgeous, I wish he left it in

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #159 on: May 01, 2015, 08:26:40 AM »
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anybody buy the Blu?

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #160 on: May 01, 2015, 08:46:41 AM »
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Christopher Nolan's directive was clear to everyone in the cast and crew: Use CGI only as a last resort.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #161 on: May 01, 2015, 10:22:41 AM »
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Oh shit, it's payday! Thanks for reminding me...

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #162 on: May 01, 2015, 10:29:04 AM »
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #163 on: May 01, 2015, 04:16:14 PM »
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anybody buy the Blu?


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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #164 on: May 01, 2015, 04:22:01 PM »
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It's weird, I bought it at itunes while the blu-ray isn't released until the 29th of june in sweden.

 

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