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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #120 on: February 06, 2015, 10:21:07 AM »
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #121 on: February 08, 2015, 10:54:17 PM »
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That's great. I read the script and was surprised at how closely it tracks with the film. Even little moments that I thought for sure were part of the improvised madness were scripted exactly.

The biggest difference is basically just more dialogue and more narration which was trimmed down (including the closing passage in the book which would've stepped all over Doc & Shasta's nice final scene).

The only real deleted scenes of interest are two big ones: Doc walks into his office to find Tariq and Clancy fucking and then goes out to a Thomas Jefferson diner where he hallucinates having a conversation with the ex-prez while the other two are in the bathroom.

And the other one is Doc's PCP hallucination near the end, he imagines another version of himself that he speaks to as well as a personification of the Golden Fang who does some rather on-the-nose explaining of what it signifies.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #122 on: February 13, 2015, 01:39:21 PM »
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Is "Well Mornin' Sam" (in Sortilege's introduction of Bigfoot) a reference to some TV show? I think that line can be heard at one point on Doc's TV in the background. Thanks!

Sortilège: [narrating] Well Mornin' Sam, like a bad luck planet in today's horoscope, here's the old hippie-hating mad dog himself in the flesh: Lieutenant Detective Christian F. "Bigfoot" Bjornsen. SAG member, John Wayne walk, flat top of Flintstone proportions and that evil, little shit-twinkle in his eye that says Civil Rights Violations.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #123 on: February 18, 2015, 06:31:52 PM »
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The screenplay is finally online

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #124 on: February 18, 2015, 08:32:15 PM »
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Is "Well Mornin' Sam" (in Sortilege's introduction of Bigfoot) a reference to some TV show? I think that line can be heard at one point on Doc's TV in the background. Thanks!

Sortilège: [narrating] Well Mornin' Sam, like a bad luck planet in today's horoscope, here's the old hippie-hating mad dog himself in the flesh: Lieutenant Detective Christian F. "Bigfoot" Bjornsen. SAG member, John Wayne walk, flat top of Flintstone proportions and that evil, little shit-twinkle in his eye that says Civil Rights Violations.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #125 on: February 19, 2015, 09:21:27 AM »
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Thank you, sir! You are the Master.

"Mornin' Sam" audio cue comes right after Aunt Reet says she has major eyeliner issues, and before Bigfoot's ad for Channel View Estates.

I guess Doc watching Ralph and Sam is the equivalent of Freddie watching Casper the friendly ghost.

Somebody with Wikipedia connections should add this to the pop culture references for the Ralph and Sam entry:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Wolf_and_Sam_Sheepdog

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #126 on: February 21, 2015, 11:39:05 PM »
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You should read Poetics, of course. The writers etablishing it as The Rule always make me laugh, though.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #127 on: February 22, 2015, 12:27:44 PM »
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Eel Trovatore... hahahha... Gotta hand it to Pynchon, he is the master of puns.
Btw, I just saw that opera in Munich. It's definitely not Verdi's masterpiece, but there is some gorgeousness to find in there. For example this:

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #128 on: March 02, 2015, 07:29:02 AM »
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It's directly on iTunes, you scroll down on the IV page and, if you've bought the movie, you can click on iTunes extras. And watch them.

Moving to Spoiler thread...

That's great. Looks like there's 3 previously unreleased presumably PTA-cut trailers & a "Back Beyond"-style nearly 6 min compilation of deleted scenes.

Both the trailers and the deleted scenes have more dialogue, alt. versions, cut scenes. Pretty cool. Most interesting of which is Club Asiatique scene as well as the Tariq/Clancy stuff.

And who's the dude with white hair? Either Doc's dad or maybe Fritz?



Keeping track of all this shit here:
http://modage.tumblr.com/post/112509993206/the-deleted-scenes-alternate-takes-of-inherent
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #129 on: March 02, 2015, 08:34:07 AM »
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probably thomas jefferson hallucination.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #130 on: March 02, 2015, 09:08:09 AM »
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asiatique scene is soo cool. Jade was great and her delivery is like lubitsch style.. in fact, i cant believe pta didnt include that little scene of them inside the club!

the shot of joaquin and doc in the car kills me lol

the thomas jefferson shot is my favorite...Doc is on LSD at this moment in the novel while talking to him. forget the entire content of the situation but if it interests anyone i could look it up

that and the shot of Tariq and Clancy is also one of my favorites. It was a really graphic scene in the novel where Tariq is fucking Clancy in Doc's office and he walks in on them ]




this frame was also beautiful. reminds me of Tropical Malady




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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #131 on: March 02, 2015, 11:37:49 AM »
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probably thomas jefferson hallucination.
Oh shit, of course. That's what that is. Yep, good call.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #132 on: March 02, 2015, 01:54:21 PM »
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You should read Poetics, of course. The writers etablishing it as The Rule always make me laugh, though.


loved poetics
yes that is silly- aint it! writing evolves, like man.
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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #133 on: March 03, 2015, 11:48:26 AM »
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This is an endlessly hypnotic and entertaining movie. Not in the usual, audience friendly way, but in how it demands from you to be alert the whole time. Really, you can't do as much as blink during this film without missing some important development. I don't agree that this is a film where is best to not pay attention to the plot because it's so dense. I mean, that's all they talk about, and it's not like the film leaves that unresolved. The thing is that PTA is basically continuing what I've always felt was the most distinctive feature in The Master, which is the "nuts and bolts" approach to the narrative and editing.

I saw IV and tried my best, but by the end it was clear there were things I just didn't understand, characters I didn't fully grasp where they came from and why they were there, and a few details that when I re watched the next day turned out to be important. And yes, of course on second viewing the whole who dunnit plot was crystal clear, and the melancholic atmosphere more resonant. I commented about The Master that the film goes from scene to scene with such a fast tempo and dealing only with the most essential information (visual, narrative, performance wise) that audiences cannot keep up with it, give up and then accuse the film of being slow. With IV the same is happening (slow is now accompanied by incoherent), even though there are no loose ends in this film, beyond the unimportant details of how the Golden Fang works or it's actual reach in this world. The thing is that just like in The Master, this film is not waiting for anyone.

Take the first scene, where the plot is set. It just starts. And characters waste no time explaining anything to us more than once. If you don't follow the intricacies of this setup only in this one scene alone, you're already lost before the 10 minute mark. The film keeps this pace all through it. Essential information (again plot-wise, character, visual, narrative-wise) is given like a clock, and it's a testament to PTA's brilliance that within this merciless discipline he manages to create a languid, relaxed and at the same time funny, paranoid and melancholic mood. The Master's story is like an Aesop's fable compared to the complexity of IV's plot, with many places, names, references, thrown in scene by scene. Sure, the film aims to portrait confusion and the feeling of being lost in a haze, but it's not actually abandoning it's plot and it's main character's essentials (it has been already been brilliantly pointed out here that Doc's arc has to do with recovering SOMETHING in light of his loss of Shasta, who's definitely gone after her first scene, and that something materializes in helping Coy to return home).

I'm very excited by what PTA is doing with narrative cinema. He might just be the only filmmaker within this trend to be actually exploring new ground and finding new ways to do strictly narrative films. I know he's an Apichatpong fan, but unlike him and many other auteurs who are basically on the other end of the cinema spectrum, he feels no need to extend takes endlessly or fill minutes with silence as a way to contemplation. He does the opposite, and I think he's on to something really special.

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Re: Inherent Vice - SPOILERS!
« Reply #134 on: March 03, 2015, 07:14:14 PM »
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I don't agree that this is a film where is best to not pay attention to the plot because it's so dense.

not that it's best, that it's possible. liked your post and i just wanna further bolster the idea that iv is appreciable through direct engagement. if you're referring to what i've said. if you're referring to something someone else has said, oh i'm including myself in the conversation for no apparent reason, that's all
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