Scorsese/Boogie Nights

Started by thedog, May 06, 2003, 10:41:14 PM

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thedog

We all know that the directing style of PT Anderson is really comparable to that of Martin Scorsese. Especially when viewing Boogie Nights after just watching Goodfellas and/or Casino.

Well it seems if a lot of haters like to hold that against PT Anderson. PT Anderson has even admitted to being heavily influenced by Scorsese and I really don't think that's a bad thing at all. After all, Scorsese has roots and influences. Every director is influenced by other directors. What's the big deal?

But anyway, does anyone happen to know what Martin Scorsese actually thinks of PTA's work? Boogie Nights in particular? I know that recently Martin Scorsese had named Wes Anderson his favorite of the "new generation" of filmmakers. And knowing Marty, it seems like he would be proud to see a filmmaker take so heavily after him. But does anyone know for sure?

Thanks.

Duck Sauce

Maybe he is pissed off because IMO PTA out-scorsesed Scorsese... but i find that hard to imagine. There needs to be a spot (redirect me if there is) where you can read what other directors have said about PTA.

The Silver Bullet

QuotePTA out-scorsesed Scorsese...
Nyeh. No he didn't.

I know you added an IMO, but it rendered this reply pointless, so I didn't quote it.

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i think people are making much too much about the Goodfellas boogie nights connection

i think martie set the standard of what a bio should  be like, and now all good bios should follow it.

And of course add to it in your own funky fashion, which Pta did .

Think of how great Ali would of been had it followed this path.

Its like this chuck berry created the mold and the stones just added to it

stealing is one thing BN Is something different , Ive seen cheap rip offs and BN Was not one .

And plus he took ideas from all over the place and added it to the mix

But the one thing he brought to it on his own was heart , i know that sounds corny but its so fucking true. He looked back at that era with such nostalga. He put in little details that a shallow fuck would not notice . The hair styles, the clothes, the way the homes looked.


Lets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites  song .

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PLAYBOY: That happened around the time of Michael Cimino's Heaven's Gate, which almost bankrupted a studio. Have you seen the power shift from auteurs to stars?

SCORSESE: It was a horrible thing for me and guys like Mike Cimino. It's all gone now and a lot of people who were involved then are gone. But in the case of Cimino, it was also the critics who helped destroy the cinema of the director, the way they attacked Heaven's Gate. The honeymoon was over.

PLAYBOY: Now the tide is moving in the opposite direction. Studios are less interested in giving big bucks to actors to make derivative blockbusters.

SCORSESE: That may be a good thing. Maybe it can come back the other way. Take some of these young directors, like Alexander Payne, Wes Anderson, Paul Thomas Anderson, Chris Nolan, Peter Jackson and Baz Luhrmann. Maybe this group can bring it back. I hope they can get their budgets and use them wisely. Because some of us didn't.

Entire interview here.
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Scorsese says he got the idea for putting John C. Reilly in the epic "GangsOf New York" during one of his cineaste binges watching all of director Paul Thomas Anderson's movies on DVD. It was Anderson, who met Reilly in 1995 at a Sundance filmmakers' lab, who featured Reilly in 1997's "Hard Eight" and "Boogie Nights" and in 1999's "Magnolia."
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Quote from: Duck SauceThere needs to be a spot (redirect me if there is) where you can read what other directors have said about PTA.

Here's a few directors talking about Paul.

PAUL SCHRADER: "There's a lot of crap, though not everything is crap. There are still good things, very few, but some. I like some filmmakers, like Paul Thomas Anderson ("Magnolia"), he's achieved to make a good movie in Hollywood."

STEVEN SPIELBERG: "You know, Paul Thomas Anderson, one of the most brilliant young directors working today - brilliant just absolutely brilliant - would never get hired to do a four camera shoot for Will and Grace.  Never.  They just wouldn't do it.  He'd get fired before they even turned on the cameras."

JOHN CARPENTER: "I really like Paul Thomas Anderson a lot. I think he's really good. Damn, is he good! Amazingly good! He really has command of narrative. Visual narrative. Really interesting. That's one example. I love his films. Even though I don't have any connection with what's going on on the screen, he makes me."

Anyone know any more?

The Silver Bullet

QuoteLets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites song.
No, let's put it this way. If you weren't the prentious "don't need to go to film school" douchebag you are, you would have realised that film school works for some people, doesn't work for others, and that your comment was childish and pathetic at best.
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De Palma mentioned he loved Magnolia.  I don't have an exact quote though.  Although he's influenced by Scorses, he's influenced by alot of directors.  Demme, Altman, Downey Sr., Truffaut...

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Quote from: The Silver Bullet
QuoteLets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites song.
No, let's put it this way. If you weren't the prentious "don't need to go to film school" douchebag you are, you would have realised that film school works for some people, doesn't work for others, and that your comment was childish and pathetic at best.

Well said Bullet.  
Scorsese went to film school. Douchebag? Look who the douchebag is now..... :roll:
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Quote from: Butterscotch Jonesi think people are making much too much about the Goodfellas boogie nights connection

i think martie set the standard of what a bio should  be like, and now all good bios should follow it.

And of course add to it in your own funky fashion, which Pta did .

Think of how great Ali would of been had it followed this path.

Its like this chuck berry created the mold and the stones just added to it

stealing is one thing BN Is something different , Ive seen cheap rip offs and BN Was not one .

And plus he took ideas from all over the place and added it to the mix

But the one thing he brought to it on his own was heart , i know that sounds corny but its so fucking true. He looked back at that era with such nostalga. He put in little details that a shallow fuck would not notice . The hair styles, the clothes, the way the homes looked.


Lets put it this way, if he was a preteniouse film school douchebag he would not have used " sister christian" in the BEST scene in the movie, he would of used a tom waites  song .


Yes yes yes. Perfect. Thank you. I couldn't have put it any better. Especially the last part. Way to go, BJ.
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MrBurgerKing

Quote from: The Silver Bullet
QuotePTA out-scorsesed Scorsese...
Nyeh. No he didn't.

I hate to go this route, but why don't you say why instead of treating Duck Sauce like a naive scumbag.

Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

MrBurgerKing

Just sick of that pre-school 'I'm right, you're wrong' attitude.

Sleuth

What about the Raging Bull/ Boogie Nights connection (mirror scenes).  That's clearly an homage, not saying I don't like it, I'm just bringing it up because nobody else has
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Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

it's actualy 98 billion not 99 -- im right youre wrong.
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MrBurgerKing

Quote from: cowboykurtis
Quote from: MrBurgerKing
Just remember, McDonalds has sold over 99 billion orders.

it's actualy 98 billion not 99 -- im right youre wrong.

98 billion, 99 billion, what's the difference?