Ordinary People

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filmcritic

June 16, 2003, 11:23:25 AM
Does anyone remember "Ordinary People" from 1980. It won a few Oscars including Best Picture and Best Director (Robert Redford). It's a great film and over the years it's become a classic. If you haven't, rent it. Movies don't get much more powerful than this.
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MacGuffin

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June 16, 2003, 11:30:26 AM
Otherwise known as the film that robbed "Raging Bull" and Martin Scorsese of their Oscars.
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June 16, 2003, 11:35:09 AM
Quote from: MacGuffinOtherwise known as the film that robbed "Raging Bull" and Martin Scorsese of their Oscars.

hehe.....You just killed the thread!  :wink:

SoNowThen

#3
June 16, 2003, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: MacGuffinOtherwise known as the film that robbed "Raging Bull" and Martin Scorsese of their Oscars.

Yes, thank you. That's why I will always be biased against this film.

I read a 2nd draft of the script when I was in film school, and had nothing to do. There was a little script library down on Water Street in Vancouver, so I headed out and did the whole thing in a few hours. I dunno, but unless they did some great re-writes, it didn't seem all that great. That being said, I still want to see it one day, if for nothing else so I can compare a script to a movie I hadn't seen yet.
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When those who hated capital and consumption (and Jews) in the 20th century murdered some hundred million people, and the poster children for the struggle against international capitalism and America are now fanatical Islamic terrorists, this puts recent enthusiasts in an awkward position. Most of them are too dense and shameless to appreciate it, and far too many are taken in by the moralistic and paternalistic rhetoric of the Left.

modage

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June 16, 2003, 01:02:46 PM
i just saw it recently (mostly due to PTA screening it for his crew for magnolia along with Network, and not to its undue best picture win), and thought it was good.  it was good and sad, reminded me a bit of moonlight mile (or rather the other way around).  but if you havent seen it i would say its worth watching.
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godardian

#5
June 16, 2003, 01:30:44 PM
Pauline Kael despised it, but I have a fondness for this autumnal/wintry type of film (in tone and composition, I mean). It's much along the lines of Woody Allen's Interiors- Bergman goes American suburbia, in this case.
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"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

Mellow Fellow

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June 16, 2003, 02:05:51 PM
about time some one mentioned this movie here, ha, im actually friends with noah hutton, timothys kid, it was cool i got to hang with them and deborah winger one time...good times
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June 16, 2003, 02:08:47 PM
Quote from: Mellow Fellowabout time some one mentioned this movie here, ha, im actually friends with noah hutton, timothys kid, it was cool i got to hang with them and deborah winger one time...good times

Did Winger's personality at all reflect all the things you hear (I think she's a terrific actor, but I've never read or heard about even one instance where she really got along with cast or crew)?
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

filmcritic

#8
June 16, 2003, 02:16:40 PM
"Ordinary People" shouldn't be compared with "Raging Bull". They are both classics and they are both great in their own way. If "Raging Bull" came out a year before or after "Ordinary People", then maybe people out there could stop comparing them. Take them as individual efforts. Personally, both movies were at number 1 on my top ten list of 1980. Both were the best films of the year.
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-Richard Roeper

"You're too cruel."
-Roger Ebert

Duck Sauce

#9
June 16, 2003, 02:21:12 PM
Quote from: godardianPauline Kael despised it.

Yeah, but she hated everything.... any similar recomendations to Oridinary People?

Mellow Fellow

#10
June 16, 2003, 02:25:17 PM
regarding deborah winger as was inquired, she seemed pretty awesome to me, made really good food
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godardian

#11
June 16, 2003, 03:18:00 PM
Quote from: Duck Sauce
Quote from: godardianPauline Kael despised it.

Yeah, but she hated everything....

Aren't you forgetting a little movie called... PENNIES FROM HEAVEN!?!? :wink:
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

EL__SCORCHO

#12
June 16, 2003, 03:26:49 PM
Ordinary People's got a hell of script.

godardian

#13
June 16, 2003, 03:39:32 PM
Quote from: EL__SCORCHOOrdinary People's got a hell of script.

Based, as I recall, on a book I've never read. Or even heard of aside from the movie, though it was apparently a passing best-seller type of thing... that's why I'm afraid to read it, I don't want to compromise a perfectly good movie experience by associating it with some therapeutic potboiler of a book. I'm of the opinion that if a bad movie can ruin a good book, then the converse must also hold true.
""Money doesn't come into it. It never has. I do what I do because it's all that I am." - Morrissey

"Lacan stressed more and more in his work the power and organizing principle of the symbolic, understood as the networks, social, cultural, and linguistic, into which a child is born. These precede the birth of a child, which is why Lacan can say that language is there from before the actual moment of birth. It is there in the social structures which are at play in the family and, of course, in the ideals, goals, and histories of the parents. This world of language can hardly be grasped by the newborn and yet it will act on the whole of the child's existence."

Stay informed on protecting your freedom of speech and civil rights.

bonanzataz

#14
June 16, 2003, 03:59:03 PM
Quote from: Mellow Fellowabout time some one mentioned this movie here, ha, im actually friends with noah hutton, timothys kid, it was cool i got to hang with them and deborah winger one time...good times

two of my best friends are good friends with noah as well. they went to a college program over the summer with him. in fact, i think they recorded music together. i wouldn't be surprised if you met.
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